Google Goes to Washington 217
DIY News writes "Google has hired a lobbyist in Washington D.C. to influence the nation's laws governing the Internet, telecommunications and copyrights. Google sees a presence in Washington as a necessity as government becomes more involved in the Net's development. Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."
coming soon! (Score:5, Funny)
You joke, but.... (Score:5, Interesting)
google.gov may seem silly to those in the private sector... but if Google did index private government and military sites, and allowed access only to authorized individuals, I wouldn't complain. Heck, I'd be happy at my new efficiency.
Re:You joke, but.... (Score:5, Interesting)
(Google would be done faster than the government anyway, even after Google's mandatory 6-year beta period.)
Re:You joke, but.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:You joke, but.... (Score:4, Interesting)
If Google is marketing these appliances at various sized companies, then I would imagine they would have taken the time to make the algorithims appropriate for the target audience.
Re:You joke, but.... (Score:2)
You sort-of have a point, and one that would probably be particularly thorny for the military. To get PageRank working on the mass of documents like training manuals, you'd also have to have every trivial communication spidered. All email and orders, regardless of classification.
Are the guys at Google smart enough to build a system that can work with classified and non-classi
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Re:You joke, but.... (Score:2)
On the other hand, on a corporate intranet the type of search performed, the dataset one is searching, and the searcher's behaviour and motivations are different creatures. Off the top of my head, those should all improve the performance of a search appliance.
On a corporate intranet one doesn't have to deal with millions of sp
Quick Question (Score:5, Funny)
Good (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Good (Score:3, Insightful)
That's what we pray for, because "In Google we trust".
But honestly, when's the last time you heard of a major corporation actively and intentionally influencing American politics for the direct benefit of consumers?
Google always has been, and always will be, looking out for themselves first. The only question now is whether or not they'll
Capitalism works sometimes... (Score:3, Insightful)
One of the nice things about the 'net is that nobody has figured out a way to get a solid monopoly lock. People aren't tied to your hardw
Re:Capitalism works sometimes... (Score:3, Interesting)
actively and intentionally influencing American politics for the direct benefit of consumers
It worries me, because what Google wants this week might benefit me (if even by accident), but what if what Google wants next week hurts me? Quite suddenly they go from heros to just another hyper-mega-globocorp stomping all over my
And in other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:And in other news... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:And in other news... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:And in other news... (Score:3, Funny)
Googley woogley woo!
That's a great description of
Re:And in other news... (Score:2)
Re:And in other news... (Score:2)
Re:And in other news... (Score:2)
"Quagmire, since when did you work for Google?"
"Since I found the porn cache on their servers. Googley-Googley-Googley-Googley!!!"
They'll be lonely (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:They'll be lonely (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:They'll be lonely (Score:2)
It is also easy to have a 'fairly reasonable take' on copyright when it is your 'creations or works' to which you're applying it.
Many people do. I do. Many makers of music do, as do many writers, makers of video, etc.
Are you asserting that you don't have a fairly reasonable take on copyright, because of something in particular?
Just asking.
Re:They'll be lonely (Score:2)
No they won't (Score:2)
On the contrary, quite a few people will want to. For the same reason Orren Boyle got drunk with Wesley Mouch.
Re:They'll be lonely (Score:2)
Except the Kennedy's what? The Kennedy's dog?
He meant George W. LaRouche.
Re:They'll be lonely (Score:2)
Re:They'll be lonely (Score:2)
Quite frankly (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Quite frankly (Score:2)
They are still relatively new to that game. Next thing you know, they will be donating money ot the Republicans.
I'm confused...... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:5, Informative)
Google Goes To Washington
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/08/13322
well it might be nice for someone to be doing no evil there for a change so
Google Launches Google Reader at Web 2.0
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/07/19522
Cool new google app
Google Maps Graduates
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/07/14202
SOmething comes out og Beta Testing... Thumbs Up
Google Declares War on Microsoft
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/06/12502
War on Microsoft, THUMBS UP
Taiwan Irked at Google's Version of Earth
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10
Pissing off chinese... Thumbs Down
Google & Sun Planning Web Office
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/04/12342
Hype but none the less a pretty big deal going down with sun... Shrug
Google Office Still in the Wings?
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/03/10
Awesome Idea (even though it didnt happen)
Google-NASA Partnership Backlash
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10
Possibly not doing no evil... Thumbs down
Google Ant
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/
mmmm Taxonomical Fun... Thumbs Up
Google Plans to Offer Free WiFi in San Francisco
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/13162
Free Wifi.. Thumbs Up
Google's Patents Reveal Strategy To Beat Microsoft
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/08312
Kicking MS... Thumbs up.
Well it seems based on the statistics... We still like google this week... stay tuned next week folks
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:2)
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10
Pissing off chinese... Thumbs Down
You just called Democratic Taiwan citizens "Chinese". You're next pal.
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:2)
Norweigians and Finish are both Scandinavian. "Tiwanaesee" and Chinese are both Still "Chinese"
*begins humming Monty Pythons, "I Like Chinese"*
hhmm hmm hmm hmmmmm
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:2)
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:2)
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:2)
I have The RIGHT TO CHOSE!!
Go Open Source motto, Go!
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:2)
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:5, Funny)
We need an unified evilness index, with weekly rankings. Then we can convert between evils: e.g.
1 Microsoft = 10000 Googles
1 Dubya = 1.5 Microsoft
etc
Re:I'm confused...... (Score:3, Funny)
Do you think these will be signed values like celsuis or unsigned like the Kelvin?
You used to be cool, Google. (Score:4, Insightful)
Granted they haven't done anything yet. But simply by buying governments, they make it so that in order not to be evil, their politics have to agree with mine, which means they won't agree with someone else. And why would they agree with me? Hiring lobyists is clearly the kind of thing they had to do to placate shareholders, who only care about money and would see nothing wrong if Google elected a president to do nothing but take money from poor people and give it to Google. It seems like because of this effect, it's really hard for a publicly traded company to stay "Non-Evil" (tm) for long.
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
AFAIK, Google has always been about understanding how people work...
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:5, Insightful)
But remember, it's also possible that Google will lobby to have unworkable copyright/intellectual property laws revoked, break up the teleco's stranglehold over cheap bandwidth, prevent the movie industry from dictating what you do with the DVD player you just bought or a myriad of other things that the US Gov't currently votes on without being particularly well-informed on the subject.
Me, I'll wait and see what happens before I start complaining.
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
Representatives are meant to represent their constituents wishes , lobbying perverts this process . If a company wants to change some part of the law they should use that money to persuade the people
MR Lobby
MR Representative " Oh is that so , I think it's rather good for
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:3, Interesting)
Right after they finish hand-delivering blankets to the poor, and stopping off to help an old lady across the street...
Goog
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
Maybe you should be in politics instead of IT since you're not bothered by how M$ hurts IT but you have issue with how many industries participate in government?
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
what do u expect (Score:2)
Its
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:4, Insightful)
Does it every occur to you that Microsoft is thousands of people and millions of investors? Grandmothers, pension funds, yuppies, and plenty of Google and Novel investors also own their piece of MS. MS is people, just like Google is, GM is, and the mom and pop coffee shop down the street is. Why on earth would a company that has so much at stake, with hundreds of millions of customers around the world, not want to look out for itself within the context of how the government that's regulating the economy frames things? I wouldn't want to invest in, or base my business operations around products built/serviced by a company that doesn't care what the business climate looks like, or is willing to be steamrolled by the noisiest person that doesn't like them.
Hiring lobyists is clearly the kind of thing they had to do to placate shareholders, who only care about money and would see nothing wrong if Google elected a president to do nothing but take money from poor people and give it to Google.
"Clearly?" Is that really, really clear to you? And out of curiosity, how does a president go about taking money from poor people? Does he have pictures of all of the congressional reps and senators with goats or something? The president can't take money from anybody. He can't write tax law, he can't appropriate money. The only thing he can, within narrow bounds, direct cabinet officials to work within the framework established by congress to spend, or not spend as much, on certain domestic things. Not putting as much money into some specialized entitlement give-away is not the same as taking money "from" poor people.
Regardless: our current form of government would be pointless without a functioning economy. The economy completely depends upon employment and productivity. Those companies (like Google) that have a major role to play in productivity can and should make sure that they're heard by people who are working on laws and regulations that impact how they, their employees, their users, and industry do what they do. It's not "buying" government to make yourself heard or to make sure that people with a rational clue about what you do are responsible for the legal framework within which it's done. Doing nothing about it - the opposite of the employees and owners/investors in a company "buying" that voice - is the positve act of giving away that voice to someone else. You know, like to someone who thinks the internet is nothing but a porn vehicle and should be shut down, etc. Would you rather than Google stay at arm's length from politics and give up ground to crazies? I wouldn't.
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
Obviously a company should and does care about those things. But that does not mean the corporation (as a group) should be allowed to directly influence the democratic process. The employees can vote in the interest of the company, and if these votes aren't enough, the company
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
Microsoft used to above this. They had ZERO political cachet - they didn't believe in lobbying, period. Then Sun Microsystems, AOL, Oracle, Netscape and a few others funded by the Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers venture capital firm decided that it'd be a fun thing to make huge lobbyin
Everyone needs lobbyists, including you (Score:2)
If I got arrested I would get a lawyer--a reactive approach to professional legal respresentation. Lobbying is a proactive approach to professional legal representation--to help make
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
Re:You used to be cool, Google. (Score:2)
Other way round, but we're a smart audience. It rather depends what time frame you're talking about doesn't it? If the world ends tomorrow, then maybe there's time to right a few wrongs by any means necessary. But assuming that it doesn't, then how does buying into a system of government where you require money to have a say improve things in the long run? When the problem is someone else, then working within the system can be effective. When the problem is the system itse
Google goes to Washington? (Score:2, Interesting)
Question is:
How can I have a share on this?
Re:Google goes to Washington? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Google goes to Washington? (Score:2, Funny)
Opening an office != Hiring a lobbyist (Score:5, Informative)
Senate lobbying disclosures here [senate.gov].
House lobbying disclosures here [house.gov].
Google Blog Link and Content (Score:5, Informative)
Google goes to Washington
10/06/2005 07:09:00 AM
Posted by Andrew McLaughlin, Senior Policy Counsel
It seems that policymaking and regulatory activity in Washington, D.C. affect Google and our users more every day. It's important to be involved - to participate in the policy process and contribute to the debates that inform it. So we've opened up a shop there. The first member of our Washington team is Alan Davidson, a veteran thinker and advocate for issues we care about.
Our mission in Washington boils down to this: Defend the Internet as a free and open platform for information, communication and innovation. OK, that sounds a little high and mighty, so let me break it down into something a bit wonkier with a sampling of the U.S. policy issues we're working on:
Net neutrality. As voice, video, and data rapidly converge, Congress is rewriting U.S. telecommunications laws and deregulating broadband connectivity, which is largely a good thing. But in a country where most citizens have only one or two viable broadband options, there are real dangers for the Internet: Should network operators be able to block their customers from reaching competing websites and services (such as Internet voice calls and video-on-demand)? Should they be able to speed up their own sites and services, while degrading those offered by competitors? Should an innovator with a new online service or application be forced to get permission from each broadband cable and DSL provider before rolling it out? Or, if that's not blunt enough for you, what's better: [a] Centralized control by network operators, or [b] free user choice on the decentralized, open, and astoundingly successful end-to-end Internet? (Hint: It's not [a].)
Copyrights and fair use. Google believes in protecting copyrights while maintaining strong, viable fair use rights in this new digital age. We support efforts by the U.S. Copyright Office to facilitate the use of orphan works (works whose rights-holders can't be found), while fully respecting the interests of creators. We applauded the Supreme Court's carefully calibrated decision in the Grokster case, but worked to defeat legislation that would have created new forms of liability for neutral technologies and services like Google.
Intermediary liability. As a search engine, Google crawls the Internet, gathering information everywhere we can find it. We're a neutral tool that allows users to find information posted by others - like a continuously updated table of contents for the Internet. Not surprisingly, we don't believe the Internet works well if intermediaries and ISPs are held liable for things created by others but made searchable through us. That's why Google will continue to oppose efforts to force us to block or limit lawful speech; instead, we focus on providing users the information, tools, and features (such as SafeSearch) they need to protect themselves online.
This is just a taste. We're also engaged in policy debates over privacy and spyware, trademark dilution, patent law reform, voice-over-Internet-protocol (VOIP) regulation, and more. The Internet policy world is fluid, so our priorities will surely morph over time. And, of course, Google is a global company. In a future post, we'll introduce you to some of the policy issues we're confronting outside the U.S.
Re:Google Blog Link and Content (Score:2)
With so many people watching Google's every move, this could introduce a lot of people to issues most
This could have quite an interesting impact. I pity the elected officials that side with vested interests and go against popular company arguing for sane policies supported by most of their informed constituents.
If Google stays open about its efforts, it could get far more bang for the buck.
Where did this text come from? (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't find it in TFA so was it included by the DIY News or CowboyNeal?
Anyway, does the author mean to say Google would rather not be protected by the Washington government of the day?
Personally I find commercial interests should be banned to get involved in politics at any level, in a democracy they don't have voting rights so it's none of their business.
Re:Where did this text come from? (Score:2)
brilliant (Score:2, Insightful)
Not Making Microsoft's Mistake (Score:5, Insightful)
As a side note for non-US citizens: in America corruption has been legalized in the form of campaign contributions. To get elected, politicians must spend vast sums of money on TV advertising. The airwaves that get TV to the masses nominally belong to "the people" but are sold off to major corporations such as GE for a pittance. The corportations then create programming that desperately pursues a mass audience (i.e. quality is not enough, as in the case of Firefly, cancelled before even finishing it's 1st season). The corporations then sell that mass audience back to the politicians in the form of short adverts. The adverts are extremely expensive but the experience of the past half century has consistently shown that the frequency of adverts has a vital role in winning office.
This is great for the corporations because, far more importantly than the revenue that they earn from this exploding advertising spend, it means that no politician has a realistic chance of getting into power unless he is getting lots of corporate campaign contributions (corporate contributions dwarf personal) and, therefore, no representative of the people will ever be able to truly work in the people's interests. Both of the main American parties are equally dependent on this system and, therefore, the only real differences that can exist between them are presentational.
The problem with Microsoft was that they got big so quickly that they didn't have time to take the hint and assume their role in this particular circle of corruption. One of the first things they did when the Clinton administration turned on them was to hire the most expensive lobbyists they could find and start spraying contributions in all directions., guaranteeing that next adminstration, Republican or Democrat, would step down the legal attack.
Google is making sure that they don't make the same mistake.
Re:Not Making Microsoft's Mistake (Score:3, Informative)
Money (Score:2, Funny)
Wth? (Score:3, Insightful)
Says who, and why?
It seems to me that a multilateral (global) control of the dns servers could only be a good thing for global companies.
Re:Wth? (Score:2)
congressmen going cheap, three for a dollar (Score:5, Insightful)
I just hope they can stop some of the insane things that other lobbyist try to put through.. like flags on digital tv content... bad congresscritter bad... sit in a corner in timeout for two minutes.
The REAL Vote (Score:2)
The Advent Of Liberation Of Knowledge Is Nigh (Score:3, Insightful)
Our Great Democracy (Score:3, Insightful)
Hang on that doesn't sound like the democracy they talked about in school!
Google already has an EU lobbyist (Score:4, Interesting)
Since Google had not been involved in the earlier stages of the debate on that European software patent directive, they didn't want to publicly state their position on that controversial issue. However, Patricia was in close contact with the FFII, a non-governmental organization that opposes software patents, as well as some companies that were at least somewhat critical of software patents.
It seems that Google mostly lobbied for a far-reaching interoperability privilege. That's important to them so they can, for instance, perform certain operations on PDF files as part of their search services. Some people said that Google was also critical of the idea to legalize software patents in Europe, and that may have been the case, but none of the MEPs who I asked was able to confirm that Google took a critical position on software patents (I didn't ask that question to many politicians, so the fact that no one confirmed it may not mean much).
Lets see how we at Slashdot will look at this (Score:2, Interesting)
1. Google is looking after the people by using their force for good and making sure the bad government and other corporations are kept in check.
2. Google has moved to the dark side and are in bed with big government and big business.
Of course we do not live in a vacuum and the reality is probably that Google really has to protect i
in other news..... (Score:2, Funny)
End of bulletin
Now how'd the U.N. sneak in here? (Score:3, Interesting)
Interesting, because it seems to me that the only thing the U.S. government is "shielding" from the international community is its own power. It also seems to me that if instead of demanding government control over the root servers and touching off this spat with the EU/UN, the Administration had just handed control of the DNS servers over to ICANN like it originally promised, U.S. companies would be the primary beneficiaries. ICANN is certainly an entity with problems, but right now it is nothing if not an industry body.
Does this mean? (Score:2)
Or does it take something else to de-cool them?
3-letter domains are obsolete (Score:2)
You say this like it's a good thing....
I think it's entirely reasonable for other countries to want to control their own top-level domains and know that the root server's won't suddenly "forget" them at the request of the Pentagon.
The 3-letter domains should have been abandoned a long time ago, or at least placed below ".us" in the do
./ robot (Score:2, Informative)
Here I give tomorrow's
In other words... (Score:2)
The rest of the world will have to make a new worldwide net to prevent one country from dominating it - interesting...
Re:Google for President (Score:2)
Re:Google for President (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Google for President (Score:2)
Re:Google for President (Score:2, Funny)
Better yet, Google for overlords.
I for one... ah, nevermind...
Re:Pay per story? (Score:2)
They get more news than BSD
Re:Google Goes to Washington (Score:2)
Anyway, not trying to start a war, just providing some input.
Re:Google Goes to Washington (Score:5, Informative)
Well, actually
a) IBM created the home PC market
b) NCSA Mosaic and Netscape first provided free browsers
c) Apple created the first Human Friendly OS
The only part MS played in these were
a) Good marketing and creative legal contract negotiating
b) Copying the competition and using their OS monopoly to push their own product
c) Copying the competition and using their App - OS relationship to aggressively kill off the competition
You need to expand your mind more and read things other than what Microsoft's propaganda machine puts out. This is just not true.
For someone who "remembers", you seem to have little knowledge of the facts.
Microsoft is not considered the Evil Empire for making money
I just don't get why some people allow themselves to be repeatedly victimized by a crappy vendor and instead of calling them on it, actually choose to defend them.
Microsoft Brought Integration (Score:2)
You can say that the main reason corporations have put some much weight behind open standards and open source is because without joining forcing, all these competing companies would eventually be assimilated by MS.
Having a huge, common enemy sure taught the IT market how to work toget
Re:Google Goes to Washington (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft would certainly like you to think so.
However anyone who was actually around when these things first appeared remember things more like this:
People other than Microsoft brought us home PCs, free internet browsers, human friendly operating systems etc; and then Microsoft hijacked these things, and made it impossible for anyone else to become powerful in those markets.
I am quite confident that if Microsoft ever does defeat google, ten years later people will be ardently insisting Microsoft invented the search engine.
Re:Google Goes to Washington (Score:2)
You have it wrong, my friend. People other than Microsoft invented those things. Microsoft brought it to us. Microsoft made it possible for the average person to have access to these things. If it was IBM and Apple, you'd either use computers in institutions, or have to be a rich
Re:Google Goes to Washington (Score:2)
The point and click GUI was invented in the early 1970's (71?) in
It doesn't mention it, he was trolling (Score:4, Insightful)
"Net neutrality. As voice, video, and data rapidly converge, Congress is rewriting U.S. telecommunications laws and deregulating broadband connectivity, which is largely a good thing. But in a country where most citizens have only one or two viable broadband options, there are real dangers for the Internet: Should network operators be able to block their customers from reaching competing websites and services (such as Internet voice calls and video-on-demand)? Should they be able to speed up their own sites and services, while degrading those offered by competitors? Should an innovator with a new online service or application be forced to get permission from each broadband cable and DSL provider before rolling it out? Or, if that's not blunt enough for you, what's better: [a] Centralized control by network operators, or [b] free user choice on the decentralized, open, and astoundingly successful end-to-end Internet? (Hint: It's not [a].)"
Re:Free speech (Score:3, Interesting)
They claim they are worried that the U.S. might attempt to control
Myopia (Score:2)
We have not done so, have expressed zero intentions of ever doing so, and are simply not interested in doing so.
You're only focusing on one facet of a large issue, and in doing so you are missing the point. Its not about control of the internet, or control of what colour shoes you wear, or control at all. Its just the rest of the world throwing a spanner in the works of what they see as an increasingly belligerent and terrifyingly detached from reality America. The motions being taken by non-US governme
Re:Myopia (Score:2)
Re:Myopia (Score:2)
I think you're so focused on your anti-American sentiment
Actually I quite like Americans, in as much as one could be said to like any large group of people.
I don't know where you got the idea that the U.S. economy has been on a "war footing"
Tell me, what percentage of the US GNP goes to "defence"? And while we're on it, defence against what, exactly... Its not like anyone will ever invade a nuclear armed state. Heck, you could get rid of your entire army and still stay safe and happy with just t
Re:Free speech (Score:2)
Re:"Shield" private companies? (Score:3, Insightful)
Umm, did I miss the part where Bush did, or threatened to, or mentioned "shutting down the internet?"
How would he gain control over foreign servers? Would he nationalize the backbone companies?
Who's more likely to tamper with the nameservers (or the backbone), the US, China, Cuba, Iran?
It's a "brutal power grab" for those in charge of the nameservers to NOT give them up? How can a NON-CHANGE be a power grab?
Nameservers and ICANN are a "stranglehold?"
Does all that really make sense to you?
The US has a pretty
Let me try to expain this again, slowly (Score:2)
No, Bush has never threatened to shut down the Internet. But, and this is all other countries care about, he could.
Let's assume for the moment that you are the president of France or the chancellor of Germany, two highly industrialized countries with whom our recent relations have been, er, somewhat strained. Would you want a vital part of your commercial infrastructure to be in a different country's han