20th Anniversary of Windows 546
UltimaGuy writes "When Windows first shipped, 20 years ago this month, it was considered nothing more than a slow operating environment that had arrived late to the party, well behind the industry leaders, Apple and Xerox PARC. Now, it's the operating system used on nearly 95 percent of all the desktops and notebooks sold worldwide. Take a look at Window's past and present, and what lies ahead in the future, including an interview with Mr. Bill Gates himself."
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Dam if you are to write in french to look intelligent write correctly, if you are to correct someone who wrote in french too look even more intelligent correct him correctly.
Re:Windows (Score:5, Funny)
It's 'French', 'damn', you're missing two commas, your comma should be an semi-colon and my quote is correct (not that yours isn't - English is your weakness).
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Grammar/Spelling nazis (Score:5, Funny)
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I don't think one mod point would suffice.
Oh, and it should be "Hell"
FRENCHMAN To the RESCUE!!! (Score:3, Informative)
Quaint, isn't it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Alphons e_Karr [wikipedia.org]
I live on a street that bears his name, so I'm favored by the stars and granted authority to tell you to stfuplzokthx.
A présent, éloignez-vous avant que je ne me moque de vous une seconde fois!
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Working Man
Fly By Night
Closer to the Heart
Spirit of Radio
Freewill
Tom Sawyer
Limelight
Red Barchetta
Subdivisions
Dreamline
Roll the Bones
Ghost of a Chance
That is the complete list that I have ever heard on the radio, in nearly 20 years of listention almost exclusively to "classic rock" radio. Anything else would only be known to people who own the CD, which is by definition, Rush fans.
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Redmond security (Score:5, Funny)
What's changed? (Score:5, Insightful)
Okay.....so how is it any different today? Viruses/spyware and/or anti-virus/spyware software continually slow it down, and all that Microsoft seems to do lately is copy the innovative things that its rivals do, so its still always late to the party.
Re:What's changed? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:What's changed? (Score:2, Insightful)
Today, Windows' damage to humanity has been multiplied by
Well, to be fair, Windows has transformed personal computers from a happy hippie hacker's toy to a world phenomenon. Of course this may have happened in spite of and not because of Windows, still it has to be said.
Another Thing That Hasn't Changed (Score:2, Insightful)
More importantly, there is another thing that is not changing. The Wall Street Journal has an article today that confirms its previous reports of Google in talks with Time-Warner about giving them money to prop up AOL.
Nothing has changed. Every time a potential challenger to MS pops up, the challenger kills itself off through its own hubris. Once again, the folks at MS sit in Redmond and laugh all the way to the bank while Google is throw
I think a lot, around Windows 2000 era. (Score:5, Insightful)
I kinda stopped being interested shortly after Windows 2000. What happened? Well nothing. Before Windows 2000, you had Windows 98, which was unstable, and Windows NT 4, which was a bastard to use (in particular, it had no Plug and Play support).
Then there was Windows 2000, and it was more stable and still easy to use.
Windows XP could hav been a Windows 2000 service pack. A better themable UI, a minor IE update, some utilities to do things like registry snapshots that were useful, but always available as cheap third party tools. No big deal. XP SP 2 was the same, except the firewall was so bad you still needed a third party firewall. And yeah, spyware got more popular in the last few years, so you need antispyware tools now too.
There have been no significant improvements since Windows 2000. Meanwhile, about 1998, I saw a screenshot of Enlightenment. I wanted Enlightenment. Linux came with the bargain. Linux was tweakable to my hearts content. And also really difficult. And I'd use it for a little while,. then mess it up or find something I couldn't do, then go back to Windows.
The thing is, Linux seemed to be improving. Things that seemed to buy me about Linux were bugging other people too. I went from Red Hat 5.2 to Mandrake, which had a nicer GUI, KDE. Then Red Hat 6 came out, and it had KDE plus a simpler GUI installer. Woo. And tools to notice new hardware and configure it. And I started learning about Linux, cause it was nice and tweakable and interesting.
After a while, I'd want to do something in Linux I couldn't do in Windows. First it was pull down sequences of files using wget. In Windows you'd need to fetch and install some trialware crap to do that, and Linux came with the tool. Then it was use Evolution. Then I found smssend, which was cool as hell. Meanwhile, Gnome got quite decent, so I switched to that. These days, Windows has
Meanwhile, I and my Linux buddies had finished Grand Theft Auto on the PS2 while most of my remaining Windows using mates were waiting for it to be released.
Re:I think a lot, around Windows 2000 era. (Score:5, Interesting)
And not to nitpick, but GTA on the PS2 is really bad. People just ignore all the slowdown and terrible aiming or something. On top of that, there's Multi-theft auto, something not possible on the PS2.
Re:I think a lot, around Windows 2000 era. (Score:3, Interesting)
You missed the point. I'm not complaining about the effort to download and install one thing, I'm complaining about downloading and installing 25 things, many of which require reboots (Cygwin IIRC thankfully doesn't). Is this not a legitamite complaint?
Read my post before you respond to it next time.
Re:I think a lot, around Windows 2000 era. (Score:3, Insightful)
Windows XP could hav been a Windows 2000 service pack. A better themable UI, a minor IE update, some utilities to do things like registry snapshots that were useful, but always available as cheap third party tools. No big deal.
Well, Win2K = NT 5.0 and WinXP = NT 5.1, released only a year and a half later, so what were you expecting?
That said, a lot of the useful features that were supposed to be in Win2K from the start (particularly r
What's changed is that a lot of people like it (Score:5, Interesting)
In a sense, the old wisecrack "Saying that Windows is better because more people use it, is like saying that McDonalds is the best restaurant" actually applies there. For a lot of people, McDonalds _is_ the better choice, or they would go eat somewhere else.
Choosing a restaurant isn't just a matter of who has the best cuisine and the rarest wines, but a compromise that also includes stuff like:
- price (self-explaining)
- time (maybe I just want to pick my hamburger and be on my way, not wait an hour while the chef prepares a complicated 5-star meal)
- accessibility and/or personal effort involved (if the 5 star restaurant is in the next town, and the McDonalds is right around the corner, you can guess where I'll eat. Doubly so if I have to drive home first and get a suit and tie for the 5 star restaurant.)
- familiarity (I already know what a cheeseburger and a Cola taste like. Maybe I don't have the time or inclination right now to figure out wth 'escargot provencal avec champignons' or 'canard a l'orange' even mean, or which of them I might even like, and if I want a Chateauneuf Sauvignon or a Valadilene Pinot Gris with either.)
- personal taste (maybe I actually _like_ a chickenburger, or not wearing a tie while I eat it.)
- social perception/acceptability (if I were a teenager taking my punk gang to a restaurant, chances are some snotty Chez Lex establishment would just make them uncomfortable)
Etc.
Yes, McDonalds didn't invent hamburgers or Cola, they're latecomers, etc. But people choose to go eat there anyway. Go figure.
Well, the same applies to OS's. If you factor in the whole mile-long list of reasons, and not just take one aspect out of context, for a lot of people Windows actually is the best choice. So, well, I'd say MS has reason enough to celebrate there.
Re:What's changed is that a lot of people like it (Score:3, Insightful)
I beg to differ. To simplify to the max, reasons for Windows being used has NOTHING to do with the reasons for people that go to McDonald's.
People don't go to Mc Donald's because they know someone in the vicinity that will help them to eat for free, while that's the case with OSes.
Mc Donald's imply a sense of scarcity, nothi
Re:What's changed is that a lot of people like it (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree with you on this, and I can put myself as a live example[although I use Subway instead of McDonalds]. See I am from Mexico and I live now in the UK. After arriving here, the fi
Re:What's changed? (Score:3, Insightful)
Which does not make it any faster or more secure though.
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I hope you do realize... (Score:5, Insightful)
So if I offered some spyware as some super-duper Mozilla toolbar instead of an IE toolbar... how would the Unix architecture prevent Joe Clueless from installing it? No, seriously.
Even if my hypothetical malware needed root access to really do the dirty deed, want to bet that a simple "You need administrator (root) rights to install this software" would get 90% of the Joe Clueless population to dutifully su and try again? What advice have you given Joe? "Only run as root when you install stuff", maybe? Well, he'll do just that: run as root to install my stuff.
Would that make Joe suspicious? Chances are, it won't. But if I really were worried about that, I'd wrap it neatly in something that looks legit enough in its need to be installed as root. E.g., as a driver. "Our patented InternetAccelerator (TM) drivers use special compression to double your internet's speed!" Watch a batch of Joes rush to install it. "Or EvidenceEliminator (TM) drivers act as a low level gateway, ensuring that none of your porn surfing habits are even written on the hard drive at all!" Watch another batch of Joes install it. And if I'm really evil, I'll pack it as an Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware/Firewall package, and say it needs to be installed as a driver to scan everything as it's transferred through the network, before it even reaches your hard drive. Yep, watch another batch of Joes install it.
And if that doesn't get Joe, maybe I'll target a weaker link. E.g., his wife, Jane Clueless, with some cutesy screensaver or puzzle game. Or maybe his kid, little Timmy Clueless, with some Counter-Strike wall-hack. I'll just tell Timmy that it needs that to hide itself from the HL executable, so PunkBuster doesn't catch it. (And it's even truth in advertising. It'll be a rootkit that hides itself all right, that he installs there.) Chances are one of the three, I don't even care which, will be less savvy enough to actually do it.
That is, if Joe even bothers about not running as root. Chances are at some point he'll decide it's too big of a hassle to keep su-ing back and forth, and just run as root anyway.
But do I even need root access to rape Joe's privacy? Nope. I don't give a damn about his executables, which are just what was on the distro CD anyway. Any data I'd want to steal is in Joe's own files, in
Etc.
Basically, please. Unix design and architecture mean jack squat when you have a far weaker link to attack: the untrained users. For that architecture to keep anyone safe, their own knowledge would already need to be a lot less weak a link. I.e., they'd need to be at a clue level, where, well, then they'd have no problem keeping their Windows machine clean too.
Re:I hope you do realize... (Score:3, Insightful)
Google, Yahoo, Amazon (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What's changed? (Score:3, Interesting)
I can guarantee that if Linux were on 95% of computers in the world, it would be having the same malware and security issues as MS, mainly do to (inexperienced) users.
Um, no.
The major open source operating systems (Linux and the BSDs) actually take security seriously. The kernel and most userland software is specifically designed with security in mind and they deliberately try to make it quite hard (ideally, impossible) to get unauthorized root access remotely. When bugs are found, they are patched quickly
Re:What's changed? (Score:5, Insightful)
Bah. If we woke up tomorrow to find that Linux had miraculously taken a 90% marketshare overnight, I could write some spyware within an hour to pwn most of those new Linux users.
The security hole here is between the keyboard and the chair. Joe Sixpack with his friendly ready-for-the-desktop Linux distribution will soon discover that it's easy to install software: you just type the 'root' password into any box that asks for it. Once he does that, then the spyware author has decades of rootkit techniques to draw upon. That machine will never be disinfected.
These are the people who click on banner ads and fake-dialog-box popups, say 'OK' to everything and agree to every EULA that you shove in front of their fat stupid faces. You think they won't also hand over their root passwords as well to anyone who asks?
Re:What's changed? (Score:3, Interesting)
Unlike in the Windows world, there are solutions to this problem outthere. Consider e.g. MacOS X which uses a setting with a b
20th post (Score:5, Funny)
Huh? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Mod the summary -1 flamebait?
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Nothing new (Score:2, Insightful)
So, nothing has changed then!
A whole lot of effort (Score:3, Funny)
20 years and billions in R&D and the only change is in Longhorn we have RSOD aswell as BSOD. 20 years well spent I think./
The ads! They burn! (Score:5, Insightful)
Mistake in stub. (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, right (Score:5, Funny)
Another product overview MS created themselves (Score:2, Interesting)
I wonder how many of you did use those first versions of Windows. From 3.1 on, it was quite common but before 3.1...
Re:Another product overview MS created themselves (Score:2)
Windows 3.0 was a fairly good environment for its day, although I found it somewhat slower than GEM, and some things (e.g. putting all of your icons in the same program manager group) could completely kill it.
Re:Another product overview MS created themselves (Score:3, Interesting)
The internet made multitasking a legitimate necessity. Today it seems absurd that we wouldn't be able to keep our im windows open while we download files and stream music all in the background of our actual work. Back then, however, multitasking was like the solution looking for a problem. The first version of window
Relieved (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Relieved (Score:5, Insightful)
Do not reward the monipoly. Reward standard-friendly hardware vendors who help the community, not hardware-vendors who help the monopoly.
I haven't got any hardware-problems with Linux. I simply don't buy non-compatible hardware.
As for software/features, it is getting better by the day in Linux, and I am more productive on a *nix-platform than a Windows-platform.
No, I will not surrender my independence, and I encourage all who are remotely interested in competition and freedom in the software-market to do as me.
In addition, my advocacy-strategy is one that I recommend to everyone:
1) When you go to a hardware-store, ask the clerk for Linux-compatibility! Let him know that there *is* a demand. Do it regardless if you know the answer or not (unless it's written on the box).
2) In case they don't know, and you don't know, ask for their return-policy. Don't buy if you can't return it!
3) Never buy Windows-only-hardware, even if the machine which is going to use it is currently a Windows-machine. Things may change, and some time in the feature, the hardware will be used in a Linux-machine. And even if not, the monopoly does not deserve rewarding!
Last, but not least, do not support the Windows-monopoly by being the virus/spyware-janitor for all your Windows-friends. It's quite relieving not having to bother *at all* with the Windows-viruses/spyware. Let them fix their own mess if they choose to take the lazy way and go with the monopoly. Don't be the one who makes it easy for them to use Windows!
And when they're ready, get them hooked on Linux
and no - I'm not really a fundamentalist. I believe everyone *should* have the right to choose. But the monopoly limits *my* right to choose, so I fight the monopoly. When competition is restored, mission is accomplished, not when MS is broke. If MS goes broke if they don't have a desktop-monopoly, however, I will not really feel sorry for them. I believe competition to be more important.
Re:Relieved (Score:3, Insightful)
Why?
Yeah, I've been using Linux for 5/6 years at home but I'm a geek, I know this, I'm OK with it
I buy hardware I can use like you say, but not everyone cares about how their computer works
they only care that it does.
They are not like you and I who usually have their nice shiny new PC opened up within a week
of purchase.
They don't want to do anymore than browse the internet, send/receive emails, play games, write
a few documents.
Windows does do this, Windows
Re:Relieved (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, right. We live in a world where vendors change the chipsets in their cards without changing the model numbers. No amount of research will tell you whether or not a Belkin F5D7200 will work under Linux: it could be one of two entirely different cards, one of which works fine, the other of which doesn't, and you won't be able to tell until you get it out of the box.
To Windows! (Score:3, Funny)
Windows 95, you mean... (Score:2)
Re:Windows 95, you mean... (Score:2)
And which dick modded the parent a troll? Bad at maths, sure, but not trolling.
J.
Re:Windows 95, you mean... (Score:2)
I still have Windows 386 in the box in mint condition. I'm thinking of selling it on eBay for my kids' college funds in a decade or so.
There biggest coup (Score:4, Insightful)
I bet the discussion did not go like "if you port lotus 1-2-3 to our new graphical interface and help make it popular, in a few years time we will use our position to write a competing app and wipe you off the mat."
I bet the head of lotus wished he had negotiated a non-compete clause.
Re:There biggest coup (Score:5, Informative)
I bet the discussion did not go like "if you port lotus 1-2-3 to our new graphical interface and help make it popular, in a few years time we will use our position to write a competing app and wipe you off the mat."
I bet the head of lotus wished he had negotiated a non-compete clause.
You are wrong there. Lotus was very slow in getting 1-2-3 to Windows. They concentrated on
OS/2. This gave Microsoft the chance to gain a lead in the Windows spreadsheet market
with Excel.
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FWIW (Score:3, Insightful)
SUN and Apple had the world by the tail in those days (mid 80's), but they never worked to commoditize themselves (despite what they tell you its a good thing). Rather SUN, with its hubris laden leadership thought they were so great that only universities and large conglomerates were entitled use their software and hardware; a fact reflected in their price list. And look were its gotten them... McNeally - "I could've been a contender!"
An argument could even be made that Microsoft with its relatively low priced OS is what made the business model that created Linux. The only way to compete with cheap (as in $) is free (as in beer).
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Yes, but they didn't tell you it's a good thing back then.
Fact is, the
Hopefully in twenty years (Score:2)
Perhaps something open like Linux, but not necessarily Linux. I think Plan 9 has some potential:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ [bell-labs.com]
I like Plan 9's idea of having one protocol, P9, for communicating in the network. Very simple.
Or better yet, most of us won't have to worry about operating systems at all (for the desktop), because many things become more standarized, drivers contain metadata detailing the device's operation rather needing to deal with every
Terrible Summary (Score:2)
What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
What good have they done? They made the PC a commodity, accessible to all but the most poor. Gone are the days of $7000 proprietary machines that didn't operate with other different computers. These are all good things but they came as a result of market share and fate rather than purposeful design and innovation.
I look back at the last 20 years of Windows and say - what a waste. What a colossal monument to greed and complacency.
Re:What a waste (Score:4, Insightful)
This is the second time I've seen this claim this week. As far as I know, it's utter nonsense. How did Microsoft make the PC a commodity? Surely the single crucial factor was the IBM clones being given the legal go-ahead through the IBM vs Phoenix lawsuit, which Microsoft had nothing to do with. How on earth did Microsoft make the PC a commodity?
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, at least in my books Microsoft is just another greedy company. Nothing more. I don't expect them to do same things than universities and other research organisations who have passion to this segment of industry.
Re:What a waste (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd like to know where the phantasmal operating systems were that we could have had that were 'leading edge' and 'innovative'. The only candidate that's come along recently was OSX, which was unfortunately crippled to only run on proprietary hardware.
I'd go so far as to say that Windows 95
Re:What a waste (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
Their innovation can be summed up as not being as completely fucking retarded about the way they ran their business as IBM, Commodore, Apple, and any UNIX vendor you care to name were.
Having a superior technology and not getting it into users hands is a failure. Why is it so hard for people to understand this? There's a reason why we aren't all typing into Amigas right now and it's not because Microsoft is an EBIL MONOPOLY!!!, it's because Commodore made a lot of extremely dumb business decisions. God knows that's also true of the UNIX vendors and Apple.
Where is windows going (Score:3, Informative)
It changed everything.. (Score:2, Interesting)
What lies ahead? More lies! (Score:2, Insightful)
1. security;
2. efficiency;
3. non-draconian DRM;
4. interoperability;
5. openness;
6. standards compliance;
7. release dates;
I hope in 5 or 6 years time the Windows anniversary will be about "the year MS lost its monopoly".
Leaders? (Score:3, Interesting)
Another 20th anniversary (Score:3)
It took Microsoft at least another decade to offer a gui as smooth and responsive as the Amiga's, with the release of Windows 95. Yep, 10 years before they had a mouse pointer that properly followed the physical mouse like the Amiga's, instead of the herky-jerky mouse movement Window's users had to put up with.
Dan East
Ahead of its time... See Wikipedia (Score:3, Interesting)
http://en.wikip [wikipedia.org]
Industry leaders (Score:3, Funny)
Wikipedia does it better (Score:5, Informative)
Breaking news! (Score:3, Funny)
20 years? (Score:5, Funny)
Just goes to show.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Just goes to show....
You build a better mouse trap.... and some stinking Harvard MBA dropout will steal it, make a bad copy and sell it for a lot less!!
Let's drink to it (Score:3, Funny)
Ade_
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20 years... (Score:3, Informative)
Quarterdeck's Desqview [wikipedia.org] was vastly superior at that time. There's even a wikipedia entry for it! I rest my case.
Desqview got a look in only because of Quarterdeck's QEMM. Does anyone even remember that ? The good old days of really needing an expanded memory manager - never to be confused with an extended memory manager ? And that some of the key programs during that period worked with expanded memory and some worked with extended memory? And how the way you loaded your drivers and then your programs *mattered*?
Goddam you young 'uns have it easy.
I did try, honest (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem we're facing today is that there are two many people pushing single platform solutions. You can't blame them for that, you stand a better chance of repeat purchases if your software doesn't play well with others and the cost of migration is greater than the cost of an upgrade, but in the long run its not good for anyone, because it creates Micorsofts.
We need to educate people in the benefits of hetrogentity - don't buy software that only works for a single platform. Don't buy computers that will only work with similar computers. Don't buy into product that only has a single line of support - and never buy a product that has no support (I include offshore telephone support in that) and top of the list must be: don't buy software that generates files that can only be read by a single application.
Anytime you buy/use a product that adopts and enhances a standard protocol and doesn't tell the rest of the world how they are doing it, you buy into the next Microsoft.
90% statistic impossible (Score:3, Interesting)
As if. Random sampling [ursine.ca] seems to put the number at around 80% and falling over time.
Re:age (Score:5, Funny)
We use UNIX. We shouldn't be making cracks about using an ancient OS.
Re:age (Score:2, Funny)
Some of us use Plan 9 =p
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If you can compile it, it will run.
Of course, that's a pretty big if.
Re:age (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows is not old. UNIX is old, and behaves as many older people do, working calmly and quietly in the background, running everything.
Windows is 20 years of age, and like most 20-year olds, is annoying, unable to multi-task well, and thinks the world revolves around it.
Re:age (Score:3, Interesting)
Where did you get that information?
The only major multitasking problem with Windows is a CPU chewing up 100% CPU (common to all platforms), and that can be worked around by having a high-priority task manager that can be used to kill rogue applications.
Even Windows 3.0 could multitask. I was playing solitaire while I had a DOS application wipe the sectors of a floppy disk (which kept pausing because of sector errors on that floppy.) As far as I know, there was
Re:age (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Good for them..... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Why don't they ask... (Score:2)
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Re:Why don't they ask... (Score:5, Funny)
Academician Prokhor Zakharov
"For I Have Tasted The Fruit"
Re:Why don't they ask... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:where would be linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:where would be linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
As for linux, if you read Linus's early e-mails from 1991, you won't find any mention of Windows in it. Couple times he mentions DOS. It doesn't surprise me, because at that time, Windows was just beginning to be popular, around version 3.1. I think that both increasing popularity or Windows as well as emmergence of Linux can be attributed to Intel's 803