Google DVRs and TV Advertising 254
Ray writes "Google may be creating their own branded digital television DVR / satellite service. A DVR that lets you "Log In" with your Google Account before you begin your television watching would allow Google to serve up relevant ads based on: the program you are watching, your search history, the type of emails you have received in the past 24 hours (excluding spam hopefully), or anything else Google can track. Imagine the possibilities... You are watching Google Satellite TV through your "internet ready" Google DVR."
I can't help but wonder... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I can't help but wonder... (Score:2)
Google Media Device (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Google Media Device (Score:3, Interesting)
Why would I want that? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a solution in search of a problem, surely?
Agreed (Score:5, Interesting)
Parent has a good point in asking why we would want to use Google's DVR when there are ad-free versions already available. Indeed, isn't the *point* of a DVR to get rid of ads? Am I missing something?
On top of that, the example of Tivo indicates that there are evidently some issues with the technology/market as it is (the DRM "forced delete", for example), and I'm not sure if Google's DVR system will resolve any of those, though I wouldn't put it past Google to figure out a way to get it working.
But I'm not sure if I'm buying this "total integration" thing Google's pushing. What are they going to get from my email? I send an email to my friends saying, "Wow, did you catch the latest 'Lost'?" and Google knows to record 'Lost'? I think in the end, some separation of the different aspects of my life is a good thing and I'm not eager to plug my whole life into Google just yet.
Re:Agreed (Score:5, Insightful)
No, to most people DVR is about time-shifting shows, not removing ads. Removing ads is a bonus, but most people are going to have DVR straight from their cable company, and the only "ad removal" feature is the VCR-style fast-forward.
DVR is about removing the old problem of "Oh, I'd like to watch that, but it's not on now."
The next step is removing the problem of "Oh, I'd like to watch that, but I didn't record it."
Whether that's pay-per-show or "free" with ads, people aren't going to care much. It's going to depend on the choice of the channel (or content provider).
Oh, and you're going to pay for the intermediary pipe that delivers the content, too.
The future is the same as the present: pay the provider for their cost in producing the content (via ads or direct purchase/subscription), plus pay the distributor for the cost of delivering the content to you. The fundamentals will not change, though the procedures and details involved may shift to the internet.
Re:Agreed (Score:2)
I think the point is to get cheap TV. For me, the big advantage to DVRs is to remove the ads, but for now my MythTV box is sitting idle because I can't (or won't) afford $70/mo. for cable anymore. The ironic thing is that I think removing the ads for 6 months is what weened me off of TV. I can't yet explain
Re:Why would I want that? (Score:2)
Re:Why would I want that? (Score:3, Insightful)
Who pays for the programming when everyone uses a dvr?
This could be a solution for "free" TV over the long term.
Re:Why would I want that? (Score:2)
DRM (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:DRM (Score:2)
Re:DRM (Score:3, Informative)
Already there [magicitx.com] from at least one vendor.
Contextual Relevance vs. Complete Avoidance (Score:4, Funny)
All Victoria's Secret ads... let me go get on their mailing list real quick...
Re:Contextual Relevance vs. Complete Avoidance (Score:5, Funny)
You mean there are guys out there that haven't been getting the Victoria's Secret catalog since they were 12 years old? What did you do with all that free time?
Sorry NBC... (Score:3, Funny)
This just in... (Score:4, Funny)
We'll be repeatedly reporting further on this unsubstantiated rumor for weeks to come. Unless further rumors are revealed.
Unlimited possibilities! (Score:4, Funny)
Satellite? Yeah Right, It'll be Broadband (Score:5, Insightful)
If they want this thing to be cost effective for HD, they should use Swarmstreaming [swarmcast.net].
Re:Satellite? Yeah Right, It'll be Broadband (Score:2)
It's way worse than that. There is *absolutely* no evidence whatsoever that Google is even *thinking* of owning or operating satellites. None.
This whole story is predicated on a blog which speculates about googletv.* and googledvr.*... now, I absolutely believe Google has plenty of intentions on video, TV, heck may
blogs are news? (Score:5, Funny)
November just started (Score:2)
"May be" creating? (Score:5, Insightful)
The article even mentions "GBrowser," which as we all know is Google's Master Plan to unseat the most popular web browser in the world, bar none [zdnet.co.uk].
Google also owns googleporn.com. Can we have an article about how they're about to put every porn site out of business?
Mod parent up (Score:5, Insightful)
Wait a sec... (Score:2)
Re:"May be" creating? (Score:2)
Check this site [google.com] if you don't believe me.
Cheers,R.
Re:"May be" creating? (Score:3, Informative)
"eMarkMonitor can not only help you make your mark but it also can aid you in protecting it. The comany provides software used to manage intellectual propert
Re:"May be" creating? (Score:2)
Re:"May be" creating? (Score:2)
Here's a tip to the googledvr.com folks. Get a banner up quick that says "go ogle dvr"s.
Imagine the possibilities... (Score:3, Insightful)
I am, and I'm not terribly thrilled with them.
Is the typical Slashdotter concerned with the sheer volume of information that is being collected about people by a single corporation? I'm afraid I'm not going to shed my skepticism just because Google claims to "do no evil".
Re:Imagine the possibilities... (Score:2)
Oh, boy! Will my wife be pissed! (Score:3, Funny)
I can see it now. Ads for pr0n and naked celebrities will be coming up on the TV!
Also, if I subscribe to the Tin Foil Hat newsletter, will Google start sending me ads for products that will block those ads?
apoplectic content creators (Score:4, Insightful)
I sure some content creators will sign deals with Google, but many content distributors will have a knee-jerk anti-Google reaction because this makes Google a direct competitor (e.g., another company distributing ad-supported content).
Re:apoplectic content creators (Score:2)
Ads are all about placement. If I passed out great flyers for a Toyota Prius to 10,000 nursing home residents, I probably would not sell many cars. But if I passed out 100 flyers to people at Whole Foods, I might sell a few cars.
If I'm a 21 year old male college student watching TC and the ads that I'm s
Great (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh, great (Score:5, Interesting)
Hooray! First the Web, then TV... I can hardly wait until all media are subsumed into the maw of a single corporation. What could possibly go wrong?!?
Trust (Score:3, Insightful)
It comes down to money. (Score:2, Interesting)
Well, of course (Score:5, Interesting)
Print media is the only place I see this not fitting in with Google's business plan, unless it's used as just a way to offer its advertisers a complete advertising package.
What I see:
If any content can be delivered via the internet, Google will find a way to place targeted ads alongside that content. Whether Google uses existing content delivery systems (e.g., banner ads), or develops their own (e.g., GoogleDRV), they will continue to horizontally expand in targeted advertising.
Not a bad thing, IMO, since it provides revenues for publishers, who will (hopefully) keep their product free or low-price (well, to the consumer, anyway).
So what areas are still relatively untapped by Google? Internet radio? DRV, for now? How about regular television -- can't targeted advertising be delivered via Cable?
Google will continue to offer new services, innovative or not, that have the potential of increasing both ad-views and responses.
Re:Well, of course (Score:2)
Re:Well, of course (Score:2)
One reason Google may want to stay away from this is that they are more of an advertising agent than anything else. If the provide competing content, what regular network will want to provide advertising space for Google's clients to use?
It would be like ABC reselling ad space to NBC, for NBC to sell to their clients.
Better for Google to just deliver the content produced by the other networks... or to just deliver the advertising to those networks.
I'd buy it (Score:2)
Why should it be relevant to the show?! (Score:2)
I'd think the better way to do this would be for Google to serve up commercials relevan
your search history (Score:2)
not sure about the DVR, but the advertising part (Score:2)
Madison avenue isn't shaking in it's boots just yet, but could be interesting if they figure out a way to sell advertising traditionally more efficiently AND make money doing it. (or if there's some 3rd option that puts the whole industry on it's ear) *shrug*
You've GOT to be kidding... (Score:2)
I already get ads that disrupt the shows I'm watching with paid cable (and I'm not talking about commercials, I'm talking about those invasive ads in the bottom corner of the screen advertising shows on the channel I'm already watching).
I suppose it's no better than when they plaster a TORNADO WATCH (!!) map over my programs that takes up about 30% of the screen real-estate. They just don't seem to unders
well.... (Score:2)
if they would keep the commercials varied and tuned to my interests, I'd be fine with
Re:well.... (Score:2)
Wow, three times each commercial break? By the time the second commercial break rolled around, I think I would need Viagra... and some Cialis... and possibly a paramedic.
This is pretty huge! (Score:2)
But is Google prepared to go head-to-head against some of these entertainment giants? Some of these have some seriously strong backing. This will be an interesting and exciting time! (And hacking Google DVRs will be fun!)
Great... (Score:3, Interesting)
Better off contributing to MythTV (Score:2)
As we've seen in other articles here, Google also likes to contribute to existing open source projects. I think this is one of those cases. MythTV is a large project, with a lot of features. It's quite usable now, but like most projects I'm sure it could benefit from getting some more good developers.
The UI could use some work, XvMC acceleration improvements (or integration
Direct Targetted Advertising (Score:2)
At least in this case they would be using the information to actually direct advertising better so that I do not need to see the same commercials ove
This has possibilities (Score:2)
If it includes discount coupons, where do I sign up?
Two girl party for the price of one? Every fifth full service gets me free anal?
Oh to live in a Libertarian world... Damn you, Victorian era. Damn you to everlasting Hell.
Doesn't sound like Google (Score:5, Insightful)
And then people wouldn't be so mad about ads, since the idea would be time-shifting. "wait, I get to watch pretty much any tv show whenever I want? Ads, meh, I'll browse in another window when ads are on"
What's the current signal to noise ratio on GMB's? (Score:4, Insightful)
DVR, OS, nationwide WiFi, Office, Wallet, Auctions, AOL, satellite, and the list goes on.
googlehdtv.com ? (Score:3, Informative)
I think Google could come up with a better name than "googlehdtv" if they really wanted to get into this game.
Anyway, apparently he doesn't know about 'whois', because he could have easily seen that this was registered by a domain speculator, not by Google.
domain: googlehdtv.com
created: 09/Apr/2004
last-changed: 09/Apr/2005
registrant-firstname: Hdtv
registrant-lastname: Websites
registrant-organization: hdtvwebsites.com
registrant-street1: 2821 egypt road
registrant-pcode: 19403
registrant-state: PA
registrant-city: audubon
registrant-phone: +1.235551212
registrant-email: hdtvwebsites@yahoo.com
( That Slashdot "lameness filter" sucks. It wouldn't let me post the basic whois output, saying there were too many "junk characters". I have to keep adding crap to get around it.)
Good Google integration point (Score:2)
They have copious amounts of bandwidth and storage, and the clout to create business relationships with content producers. Google could offer a competing video download/purchase service - similar to what iTunes is doing, but creating a more open service (Google could be less of a threat than Apple).
Integrate that video purchase service with open source PVRs (MythTV, Freevo) and create APIs to allo
Move over Microsoft (Score:2, Informative)
Why? (Score:2)
At some point... (Score:2)
-matthew
An obvious strategy? (Score:2)
Adapting (Score:2)
They should buy Tivo (Score:2)
Adsense for video (Score:2)
Keywords in Closed Caption text or "key phonemes" noted during a program segment could drive Adsense to have relevant ad spots to be digitally inserted into the MPEG-2 transport stream in the next break using SCTE 35 Digital Program Insertion information.
Alternatively, Google could gi
How's That Grab Ya? (Score:2)
This idea compromises your personal privacy (Score:2)
This will fail because if you log in and Google targets ads to an INDIVIDUAL, then that individual will no longer "want" to be watching TV with his/her friends and family, for the single reason that their PRIVATE internet/email behavior is dictating what types of ads they see in a SOCIAL television viewing setting.
It's
Give it up (Score:2)
Maybe (Score:3, Funny)
However, the billboards will have those lenses that cause a different image to appear from different angles, so that advertising can be targeted to each 50 mile wide strip of land.
UV lasers will shine from the billboards, designed to catch reflections from the irises (iri?) of anyone looking at the billboards, in order to calculate the response to each ad.
Centralized DVR With tons of channels (Score:3, Interesting)
And those are nice and relevant ads (I am ok with that, in fact I ofter rewind cool ads and watch them again). And you don't need to buy a box. No need to have a clear view of the southern skies. No need for $75 a month cable package just because the channel you love doesn't come in Basic cable. No need to think whether you pre-programmed all shows you want to be recorded. No need to think about recording conflicts (each TV channel thinks it's the pinnacle of human artistic creativity and tries to push shows at the same time "competitors" do). No need to worry about missing interesting stuff -- because your preference block is finely tuned and known to Google via your watching browsing and emailing habits.
How about that?
Would you sign up for this service? I am waiting...
Re:I'm sorry (Score:4, Interesting)
you can leave a tv screen on while you go out and not be actively watching, but google knows every click you already make.
I would rather have no advertising in whatever I watch, but since thats not an option, wouldn't it be tonnes better to have relivent adverts displayed during the programs?
Re:I'm sorry (Score:5, Interesting)
It's smart business - a hell of a lot smarter than blindly throwing ads out there hoping they'll be used. In fact, I'd argue that the Internet is more relevant because businesses can see the value in it. Many of us wouldn't have jobs if there weren't such potential.
Re:I'm sorry (Score:5, Interesting)
This would be a smart business model if Google were competing against DVR services that forced random advertisements on their customers, but that's not the case at all.
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2)
Besides, every once in a rare while, there's a very good commercial.
Re:I'm sorry (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2)
No more NFL, sitcoms, crime dramas, sci-fi shows and other fairly expensive shows. We'll just be down to reality tv and other forms of 'cheap' tv.
Re:I'm sorry (Score:4, Informative)
Oh, there is [bbc.co.uk]
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2)
Better lose your Internet connection and cable tv subscription then.
Re:I'm sorry (Score:3, Insightful)
If I didn't have a DirecTivo I wouldn't have my Tivo anymore either. I told them repeatedly that I would drop them like a rock if they started showing me ads on top of the ads I was skipping while I was paying $14/mo to eliminate ads.
YMMV.
Re:I'm sorry (Score:5, Interesting)
No, you're not
In any case, the issue is not what kind of ads you'll be shown. The issue is that information is power.
I recommend reading up on the failed confirmation of Robert Bork for the Supreme Court of the United States...
Search habits, interests, and advertising (Score:5, Insightful)
Why does something have to be "abuse" before we have the right to complain about it, or refuse it? A society doesn't function well if too many people go out of the way to piss people off and their entire defense is "I'm not touching you, I'm just waving my finger 1/4 inch from your face"
You can object to annoying as well as abusive.
> They'll show ads to me based on my interests
No, they won't show -anyone- ads based on their interests. They'll show people ads based on their advertiser's needs, adjusted for their perception of your interests.
- If you're interested in something that no one pays google to advertise, you won't see an ad for it.
- If you're not interested in something someone pays google a -lot- to advertise, you'll probably see it anyway.
- If google incorrectly estimates your interest in things, they'll show you things you aren't interested in.
This is tricky; just because you ask a question about something, or someone emails you about something, there is no reason to believe that this is an interest of yours. I work on a lot of things that require me to search on subjects I have -zero- personal interest in. I shudder to think about the kind of ads that would get served up to me.
All of this assumes a direct relationship between what I search on and what I'm interested in possibly purchasing. That assumption is untested and I feel it's largely invalid.
Suppose I search for information about Wimbley cars so I can show my sister what a piece of crap the 2006 Wimbley is. Suddenly I'm inundated with ads for the new Wimbley.
> Wal-mart decides to stock shelves with things that are
> relevant to my area's purchase history - so if I go
> into a Wal-mart, it's more likely to carry something
> I intend to buy.
Assuming you are typical of the people in your area. If you aren't, Wal-Mart loses your business, and due to the fact that they are looking at a limited and inherently biased subset of data *, they don't correct for error.
* using purchasing habits requires them to have the product first in order to detect that people have an interest. If everyone wants the new Whizmo Cranfraz, but Wal-Mart doesn't carry it, Wal-Mart doesn't see that everyone wants it. In brick-and-mortar, this is detected by examining other vendor's sales or asking questions. In the net arena, this often goes undetected.
Also, vendors tend to make assumptions based on close matches. They assume that if you buy a John Doe brand Doohickey for $N, you'll be fine with them dropping the John Doe brand in favor of the Richard Roe, for $N-10 dollars, or for the Jane Doe brand Thingamajig, because the Thingamajig does -almost- the same thing as the Doohickey.
All you have to do is look at the remaindered Personal Organizers, MP3 players, and copies of Lotus Ami Pro in the $3 junk bin to see the fallacy with that. Not everything is an interchangable commodity item.
I've worked in retail and wholesale, and I've seen just how -badly- this kind of thing is normally done. Most businesses can get a 2000% improvement in identifying customer needs by scrapping the crap customer tracking technology and having sales people talk to the customers. For every one person you identify as being interested in product A, you have 25 people come in, look for product B, and leave without talking to the manager or a salesperson when they couldn't find product B or a salesperson to help them.
Sorry for the heat; as you can see, this is an area that bugs me; better advertising is no substitute for customer service.
> It's smart business - a hell of a lot smarter than
> blindly throwing ads out there hoping they'll be used.
It's smarter; it's only "a hell of a lot smarter" if they do it "a hell of a lot better" than most people who try this kind of thing.
> In fact, I'd argue that the Internet is more relevant
> because businesses can see the value in it. Many of
> us wouldn't have jobs if there weren't such potential.
Just don't forget that many folks here -don't- have jobs, in part because of half-planned attempts by businesses to leverage the net's potential value.
Don't be a bitter luddite (Score:2, Troll)
The internet is not responsible for anyone los
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2)
I hate advertising, but I've found that if it is targetted well, I actually have some interest in the product, and it is therefore not a burden to see it assuming it isn't too high of a percentage of the time I'm sitting in fron
Re:I'm sorry (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2)
No kidding... (Score:4, Insightful)
And make no mistake....doubleclick's tracking cookies are definitely evil. Along with hitbox, valueclick, linkexchange, adsmart, adbureau, adtech, linksynergy, focalink, avenuea, mediaplex,
How can targetted advertising from these companies be evil, while targetted advertising from Google results in the phrase: "Imagine the possibilities..."?
Re:I'm sorry (Score:5, Interesting)
-nB
You clown (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:You clown (Score:3, Informative)
And when that happens we dump google in favor of the next company willing to compete on quality, service and price rather than rest on market share alone. That is what the free market is all about.
Google as a monopoly would be just as bad as any other company as a monopoly, but google as a competitor has increased choice and forced competitors to actually compete with new services.
Free broadcast TV, supported
Re:You clown (Score:2)
Quality, service, price. Pick two.
-matthew
Re:You clown (Score:2)
And a few years after you pick, you will lose at least one.
Re:You clown (Score:3, Interesting)
Life isn't about the choice you made yesterday, it is about the choice you make today.
You are a very interesting person. (Score:2)
If a plane had NOT hit the Pentagon that would be a huge story every network would want to get to the bottom of and scoop the rest of the news industry. The reason why no mainstream news sources dispute that a plane hit the Pentagon is because a PLANE ACTUALLY HIT THE PENTAGON.
So what else do you think is fake that the rest of the world accepts as fact?
Re:You are a very interesting person. (Score:2)
Re:You are a very interesting person. (Score:2)
So sorry, but trying to put me down with childish name-calling will not change reality.
If a plane had NOT hit the Pentagon that would be a huge story every network would want to get to the bottom of and scoop the rest of the news industry. The reason why no mainstream news sources dispute that a plane hit the Pentagon is because a PLANE ACTUALLY HIT THE
Re:You are a very interesting person. (Score:3, Informative)
None of the "footage most people have never seen" on that site is conclusive, at best. The "missiles" they claim to have on footage are barely a pixel on their footage, and hardly even resolve. And, for the WTC, the structure did not collapse from the bottom, but from where the planes hit. "Missiles" to destroy the building would have been useless.
Any scrambled military craft were scrambled to shoot down any more such commercial planes.
The WTC
Re:you're not thinking of the big picture (Score:4, Interesting)
You have a theory, and I don't agree with it. That's fine, of course, we're both entitled to our opinions of what happened. However, why is it that you bring up the theory in the middle of discussions when it has nothing to do with it?
Editing out the Pentagon theory, your post was excellent, and had a point directly within the boundaries of the article and the following discussion. It really made me rethink some of my ideas about letting my TV security go to the dogs. But the mention of the Pentagon theory sorta made me wonder what the hell was going on.
For instance, if I'm talking about internet security, and how people should pay more attention to their computer settings, get the latest patches, etc., and I bring up the opinion that the Kansas school system is really sort of silly sometimes, I've brought no more value into the discussion about internet security. I've actually made myself look a little more like an obsessed crackpot, regardless of what I'm arguing about, even if the idea I inserted is completely true. Is that the impression you're wanting to make, or are you trading off some of the topical value of your post in order to bring up an issue that you feel needs to be raised?
Just trying to ask an honest question about your motives, no offense intended (seriously). I'm just curious about that kind of stuff.
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2)
Re:If this were ANYONE other than Google... (Score:3, Insightful)