Smart Hotel Rooms in New York City 131
hc1379 writes "Back in the 90's, Mark Weiser a Xerox PARC scientist envisioned future computing will weave themselves into the background of our everyday life. People will use computing as natural as they use writing instruments. He called it ubiquitous computing (aka pervasive computing). UbiComp was a good research idea, but did not really find its way into the commercial market, at least not in the life time of Mark Weiser, who died in 1999.
One of Harry's blog reports that the Mandarin Oriental in Manhattan has smart hotel rooms that can keep track of guests' preferences and change the room conditions automatically (e.g., adjusting room temperature and lighting conditions based on the guest's preference, and alerting maids when the minibar is running low on soda)."
Computers are great (Score:5, Funny)
Instead of just making a toaster, why not make a toaster that learns how different people like their toast?
Or, instead of making a set of speakers, why not make a set of speakers that can automatically adjust to prevent distortion, no matter the volume level?
Re:Computers are great (Score:5, Insightful)
My toaster has a dial on the front, that adjusts from "lighter" to "darker". It's actually very easy to use, and I don't have to log in before toasting my bagel. It's really pretty well "simplified" already. How much simpler do you propose to make it?
Re:Computers are great (Score:2, Funny)
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=15874 7&cid=13299054 [slashdot.org]
Re:Computers are great (Score:2)
That would be even more useful with showers. Different people prefer different water temperature.
Re:Computers are great (Score:5, Insightful)
Turning a dial is lot simpler than trying to outwit some appliance that thinks it knows what I want.
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Besides, what kind of freak changes the way he likes toasting normal every day bread? a smart toaster would understand what kind of bread is being put in it, and what your preferences are for it.
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"refuse to toast until you set it up"? Why not just fall back to the traditional manual control? If I want "smart" mode, I'll push a button for it.
As for remembering the setting I used last time, that's no good unless it also knows that I'm toasting the same kind of bread as last time. It doesn't allow for the possibility that I might want my toast darker than I did yesterday. Do I ha
Re:Computers are great (Score:1)
Regarding the general weirdness of toaster design - how come every toaster comes with the option of making burnt toast? I mean, is there a use for burnt toast which I am unaware of? Surely people can't be eating it?
My toaster has a rotary dial from 1 to 5. 2 makes perfect toast, 3 is kind of dark and crispy. I suspect that 5 would probably risk starting a kitchen fire... (No, I haven't seen a toaster that goes up to 11 either) ;-)
Re:Computers are great (Score:1)
That would be even more useful with showers...
This brings up an important safety tip; never use a toaster in the shower.
But I think the real answer is voice recognition.
That way you can tell the toaster to make it dark or light or "do the best you can in 45 seconds, I'm late for work".
Same thing with the shower; hotter, cooler, less water, more water, off while I lather my hair, back on to rinse, etc...
Or as a great fictional ch
Re:Computers are great (Score:4, Interesting)
The profiles are useful for getting a starting point (Such as turning off the bits I don't want), but from there on it's manual control.
On the plus side, the computer control keeps the water pressure and temperature constant at whatever you set it to (On a nice LCD, so you can see the temperature) even when people flush the toilet. *That's* what computer control should be for, none of this profile nonsense.
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That's just asking for a whole new set of viruses designed to cause the blinds to raise at the most unexpected times after detecting the gender, age, appearance, and state of undress of each occupant.
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Sorry, but that's not what technology is all about. That's what geeks want it to be about, but what it's really about is making money, often by convincing otherwise intelligent people that they need more gadgetry to make toast or turn their lights on and off.
Truly useful ubiquitous computing might someday throttle our credit cards instead of our thermostats, or warn us not to buy things we can
Re:Computers are great (Score:5, Funny)
Source: http://philip.greenspun.com/humor/eecs-difference- explained [greenspun.com]
Once upon a time, in a kingdom not far from here, a king summoned two of his advisors for a test. He showed them both a shiny metal box with two slots in the top, a control knob, and a lever. &ldquolWhat do you think this is?”
One advisor, an engineer, answered first. “It is a toaster,” he said. The king asked, “How would you design an embedded computer for it?” The engineer replied, “Using a four-bit microcontroller, I would write a simple program that reads the darkness knob and quantizes its position to one of 16 shades of darkness, from snow white to coal black. The program would use that darkness level as the index to a 16-element table of initial timer values. Then it would turn on the heating elements and start the timer with the initial value selected from the table. At the end of the time delay, it would turn off the heat and pop up the toast. Come back next week, and I'll show you a working prototype.”
The second advisor, a computer scientist, immediately recognized the danger of such short-sighted thinking. He said, “Toasters don't just turn bread into toast, they are also used to warm frozen waffles. What you see before you is really a breakfast food cooker. As the subjects of your kingdom become more sophisticated, they will demand more capabilities. They will need a breakfast food cooker that can also cook sausage, fry bacon, and make scrambled eggs. A toaster that only makes toast will soon be obsolete. If we don't look to the future, we will have to completely redesign the toaster in just a few years.”
“With this in mind, we can formulate a more intelligent solution to the problem. First, create a class of breakfast foods. Specialize this class into subclasses: grains, pork, and poultry. The specialization process should be repeated with grains divided into toast, muffins, pancakes, and waffles; pork divided into sausage, links, and bacon; and poultry divided into scrambled eggs, hard- boiled eggs, poached eggs, fried eggs, and various omelet classes.”
“The ham and cheese omelet class is worth special attention because it must inherit characteristics from the pork, dairy, and poultry classes. Thus, we see that the problem cannot be properly solved without multiple inheritance. At run time, the program must create the proper object and send a message to the object that says, 'Cook yourself.' The semantics of this message depend, of course, on the kind of object, so they have a different meaning to a piece of toast than to scrambled eggs.”
“Reviewing the process so far, we see that the analysis phase has revealed that the primary requirement is to cook any kind of breakfast food. In the design phase, we have discovered some derived requirements. Specifically, we need an object-oriented language with multiple inheritance. Of course, users don't want the eggs to get cold while the bacon is frying, so concurrent processing is required, too.”
“We must not forget the user interface. The lever that lowers the food lacks versatility, and the darkness knob is confusing. Users won't buy the product unless it has a user-friendly, graphical interface. When the breakfast cooker is plugged in, users should see a cowboy boot on the screen. Users click on it, and the message ‘Booting UNIX v.8.3’ appears on the screen. (UNIX 8.3 should be out by the time the product gets to the market.) Users can pull down a menu and click on the foods they want to cook.”
“Having made the wise decision of specifying the software first in the design phase, all that remains is to pick an adequate hardware platform for the implementation phase. An Intel 80386 with 8MB of memory, a 30MB hard disk, and a VGA monitor should be sufficient. If you select a multitasking, object oriented language that
Re: computerized toilets are the future (Score:1)
With regard to your comment about speakers... (Score:1)
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Sounds a lot like (Score:2, Funny)
Heh heh heh... (Score:5, Funny)
Minibar stuff (Score:2)
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Believe me, those minibars need replenishing very often.
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That said, my wife and I did partake of the minibar in our hotel in Beijing. The extra 50 jiao was worth the convenience and not too much of a rip off.
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When your business depends on the image you present to the public... think of sales reps for advertising, or high-end products. Or when your livelihood depends on your rep. It's the same reason people wear designer clothes.
Re:Minibar stuff (Score:2)
People who are rich and have style get the hotel to send up bottles of quality booze (often
Re:Heh heh heh... (Score:1)
It turned out that the "smart" minibar recorded a purchase when I took an item out (it was some crazy $10/bottle Norwegian spring water or something, which I decided wasn't worth it) and didn't realize that I had put it back without drinking it.
The desk employee apologized profusely and credited my account, e
Jane, stop this crazy thing! (Score:4, Interesting)
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My preferences, eh? (Score:4, Funny)
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I can just hear it now (Score:4, Funny)
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Anonymous movies (Score:2)
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Re:I can just hear it now (Score:3, Funny)
Hey! I didn't rent Mona Lisa Smile. It was Mona Lisa's Pearl Necklace.
Re:I can just hear it now (Score:1)
This is Seth from Videorama. The following DVDs are now overdue: "Drunken Hussies 3", "Backdoor Patrol 5" and "Mona Lisa Smile". Thank you.
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This long (Score:1)
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Some things seem so slow to making it to market it's unbelievable.
I have no idea where those extra words came from, and others disappeared to. Further to this, isn't this a simple database setup, post data as the client arrives and then next time query those values. I could write that in about 2 minutes. Maybe a minute to design the table
I've seen various things like this done (Score:5, Interesting)
The offered otherwise excellent service (Hotel Panorama, Venice btw) but using technology for a few extra touches makes all the difference.
The Mirage in las vegas had a minibar that was monitored by computer in my suite. I'm not sure if they'd have come and restocked it, but it stops you replacing that $4 bottle of aquafina you took with an inferior quality one from safeway.
My point is that these smart features wont make a craptastic hotel better, but they can make a nice one nicer.
Re:I've seen various things like this done (Score:2)
You don't need a computer for that. The hotel I stayed at, actually sealed the tops of the drinks bottles/cans with some gold shrinkwrap plastic. I guess that way, they would know whether the minibar had been opened and nothing/something taken out.
wish there was more detail (Score:3, Interesting)
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These states are useful for any number of things, not the least of which is calculating (for a large facility) steam and chilled water requirem
Correct grammar, maybe? (Score:1, Troll)
Smart hotel (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-fo rm/102-8961702-9548145 [amazon.com]
It's set mostly in San Francisco in the 25th century, and there's a "Hendrix hotel" that's actually controlled by a self-aware AI inspired by its famous namesake. There's a very violent scene where some thugs attempt to commit a crime in the lobby. Let's just say the hotel had really good security.Re:Smart hotel (Score:2)
I like the bit where Kovacs was told the AI hotels are actually programmed to crave guests the way animals and humans crave sex.
Which just goes to show that "ubiquitous computing" has a long way to go before it reaches the current state of cyberpunk fiction.
Not Cheap (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.mandarinoriental.com/hotel/532000009.a
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PervComp (Score:1, Funny)
mini bar... so thats new ? (Score:4, Informative)
So I guess thats not really new, then.
Re:mini bar... so thats new ? (Score:1)
I wonder how they would prove liability against you ?
What if you removed a bottle, read the label then put it back ? How would the system know ? I would imagine that a real person had to verify the charges before billing you.
Tell you what... (Score:1, Funny)
The world revolves around you (Score:4, Insightful)
It also makes me think about how we can use products and gadgets to define ourselves. Your room will "match your lifestyle," it says. How much thought do we really need to perfecting our environments and making everything around us customized for our tastes? Everything from the color of your iPod to the way you drink your coffee is supposed to express your personality, and the world is supposed to be exactly the way you like it.
I mean, this is neat in theory, but you're going to pay a lot for the service, I'm sure. (I don't know which rooms have it, but the first reservations their site showed me were between $600 and $700 a night.) The question is, are you paying for the convenience, or how important it makes you feel?
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Believe me, if you're in NY, and not by choice, it's VERY nice having a few hours where you don't have to interact with anyone at any level.
Plus, this won't affect the room rates much, since it makes service more efficient -- reducing personnel costs.
There's nothing the tech in this room offers that isn't already done by humans at fine hotels (repe
Re:The world revolves around you (Score:1)
Funny story. About 2 months ago my oldest son opens up the refrigerator and all of a sudden I hear a big "crash". I walk into the kitchen with a "WTF" look on my face, since I'm looking at our frig door on the floor. ha! The computers are running fine, but the damn frig crashed.
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I have a PowerMac, so for me it's a tie.
Nice if *I* had the information (Score:2, Interesting)
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It would be very easy to have a tiny filesystem readable via Bluetooth or whatever, with something like
HOTEL_PREFS.CFG
TV_PREFS.CFG
DESKTOP_PREFS.CFG
LAPTOP_PREFS.CFG
BEVERAGE_PREFS.CFG
DINNER_PREFS.CFG
MEDICALERT.CFG
PUBLIC_KEY.CFG
Imagine your waiter coming up to you at a restaurant you've never been to and saying, "Welcome sir and madame. Your usual?"
Imagine they don't have to ask if you want sour cream or butter or cheese, or how you want your stea
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Which is exactly what I *don't* want. When I go to a new restaurant, it's because I want to try something new. If I want my usual, I go to my usual place.
I imagine I'll hate it. I make those decisions spur-of-the-moment based on my mood and
These rooms may be smart... (Score:1)
why hotels? (Score:2, Insightful)
the vast majority of people are not repeat visitors to the same hotel...
Re:why hotels? (Score:3, Interesting)
No, but the vast number of frequent travelers are. Business travelers, jetsetters, etc... Not only that but for people who rarely travel to the same destination a lot still tend to stay at a particular chain. Incentive programs have made a big difference with this.
Even those of us who only stay at hotels 5x a year tend to stay in the same ones, if we go to the same city every year. Find one you like, stick to it.
Stayed in one in Philly Two years ago (Score:5, Interesting)
They had a console by the bed where you could control lights, tv, temp etc.
The best featue is you could set the temp of the shower and it would turn itself on when it got to the promper temp it would notify you.
It also had movies on demand. So my girlfriend and I decided to watch a video on demand. The movie Barcelona. She had never seen it. I told her about it. I got in the shower after the movie started, or was supposed to start.
I come out of the shower and she is seated on the bed with a funny look. And this is a girl who spent ten years working in Turkey and various other countries. Unshakeable.
The automated system had decided to lock on some weird shemale porn flick that was in a loop.
She figured it was glitched, and it wasn't me.
True story...
I thought the automated room would be romantic.
The next day they fixed it and gave us a free night.
True story. Nothing like shem porn to be a mood killer.
Puto
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Editors Wanted (Score:2, Funny)
Let's get our /. submission ready:
Now you too can pass yourself off as Roland Piquepaille!
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My eyeballs are counted in the numbers that OSDN uses to court advertiser dollars. I paid, whether I have a '*' next to my name or not.
And I bitch because I love. :-) Seriously, though, the slashvertisements that are interesting don't bother me. But this was poorly written, and boring as hell. A bar fridge with a sensor? Oh dear me, what will
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I just think that when people complaint about how an article/post might be a slashvertisement, they forget that the real information-gathering lies within the comments-section (such as, but not limited to, this post [slashdot.org]
Building Automation Systems (Score:2)
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Cisco Video about the Technology (Score:1)
It's a great video about the technology. They talk about the advtantages and interview Cisco employees and the hotel employees. Check it out.
CORRECT VIDEO LINK (Score:1)
More naturally than writing implements? (Score:2)
RFID for Prostitutes (Score:4, Funny)
Philip K. Dick - Ubiq (Score:4, Insightful)
How many times do we have to read this rubbish? (Score:2)
realise is that probably 95% of the population won't want it , so therefor this blade runner type world they keep waffling on about will only ever
a misnomer? (Score:2)
Hilton Automagic Floor Lighting (Score:2)
The room also made a lot of use of white LED arrays for reading lights above the bed.
My room had a flat panel LCD TV as well. Unfortunately, it was jammed into an improper aspect ratio (4:3 content was stretched to 16:9, making the ladies in the
Promotional video (Score:2)
http://newsroom.cisco.com/Newsroom/flash/evp/?vid
twice as expensive as other cities? (Score:2)
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mini bar (Score:2)
My boss can afford my mini-bar tab. Actually I can too, if I'm careful. Yes $5 for a $1 candybar is expensive, but when you work til midnight and just need something now to get you to breakfast (that is you are too tired for a good meal even if you don't factor in jet-lag) it is worth it.
Just be careful.