30 Years of Personal Computer Market Share 313
chiagoo writes "Ars Technica has a fantastic article that looks back at the most popular personal computers from the last 30 years. It covers everything from the Altair to the 8- and 16-bit eras to where we are today. A bit of a downer that they barely mentioned Linux and gave no mention to other significant OSes such as OpenBSD, but still a great read nonetheless."
Remember when? (Score:5, Interesting)
I can remember when you could measure a platform's popularity by the thickness of Computer Shopper.
Back in the early 80's it was with Apple ][ clones -- Peaches, Oranges and various other fruit. Slowed a bit when Apple bit back on the people copying their ROMs so the cloners simply bought a bunch of ROMs and kept going
In the late 80's and early 90's it was all PC's -- Once Columbia PC beat the blue giant of IBM it was open season and they approached 2 inches in thickness.
Now it's all but gone, or may be as I haven't seen one in a while. The web pretty much killed these publications, like Micro Times, a bay area staple for geeks until it vanished.
No Mac Clones (Score:4, Informative)
There is a huge difference.
When IBM lost the clone battles Phoenix & everyone else were free to offer reverse-engineered work-alike PCs. Not just "mostly alike", just alike. Buy the same MS or whomever OS, install the same Lotus 123 or whathaveyou, it's all a commodity.
IBM later tried to recapture the market by redefining it with MicroChannel, their proprietary & well defended next-gen bus architecture. But the ISA market was too big and had enough momentum that IBM's efforts were doomed and look, 25 years later they're out of the PC market they helped create not having made a profit at it in years.
On the other hand Apple, after a few early skirmishes, never lost control of their products. Their architecture didn't lend itself to easy reengineering and there was rarely an eager alternative OS vender around to make non-MacOS boxes viable. Be, Yellow Dog, etc. never were more then novelties.
What Apple did do was, under contracted terms, sell their proprietary system ROMs & MacOS 7 to third parties for a licensing fee and per-unit compensation. The idea was that these nimbler & more aggressive partners would expand the Mac into markets Apple wasn't interested in or where it was unable to compete effectively (usually cost or distribution-wise).
However instead companies like Power Computing turned around and cannibalized Apple's domestic bread-&-butter Mac market by offering similar systems at price points slightly below Apples.
A few did expand the Mac into new markets - high-end multi-processor, etc. but by-and-large it was a financial disaster for Apple. They were already suffering from extremely poor supply chain management, a shrinking market, and high R&D costs; to then start supplying direct competitors with products that undercut their own was disastrous.
So when the opportunity arose with a new MacOS to change terms Apple did - they bought back their licenses and shut down the program. Most folks agree if they hadn't the company wouldn't have lasted another year.
*Yes, there were a few obscure attempts but it never amounted to a few hundred clone units total.
Re:No Mac Clones (Score:5, Informative)
You know, there were Apples before the Mac, especially the famous Apple IIs (as the GP clearly stated). They indeed created a blooming market for third party add-ons and clones of mostly dubious legality, much facilitated by the fact that all Apple IIs (at least the big ones, don't know about the IIc, some kind of laptop-precursor) came with full schematics. The Mac was a rather late entry in the whole PC game, Apple was well known for more than half a decade before that. Likely that the bad experiences with Apple II-cloners led Apple to the very closed and proprietary course they took with the Mac (completely opposed as to Apple operated before).
Kids is right - go back a little further.... (Score:3, Informative)
Now if you really want to go back, go back to the Atari 800 w/ cassette drive, for which you had to read a 40 page instruction book on how connect and initiate programs fro
Couldn't they have just (Score:2)
Star Wars? (Score:2, Funny)
Hmmz... I thought episode II was named "The clone wars" not battles..
and what part did IBM take in it again?
Very puzzled i am, indeed...
Re:No Mac Clones (Score:2)
Seems to me... (Score:5, Insightful)
market share (Score:3, Interesting)
Linux is too advanced for this story (Score:5, Insightful)
There were attempts to run more primitive Unix-like systems on PCs from the first 8088-based IBM boxes. Not notably successful. The best known is Xenix [wikipedia.org], which I have heard a lot of nasty things about.
It's not hardware anymore, now it's all software.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Earlier on, the competing standards were all about different hardware architectures.
But now, the shift in competition for home computers has moved from hardware to software. Right now most people use Windows, Linux, a BSD, or Mac OS X. And guess what? They ALL now run on x86 hardware.
The companies don't compete based on hardware anymore... now they compete for software.
Market share = spending money (Score:5, Funny)
It says "market share", not "free for all".
Re:Market share = spending money (Score:2)
> It says "market share", not "free for all".
It also is about personal computer market share. Last I looked neither Linux or OpenBSD were personal computers. Sure, they're software that runs on them but hey, the article has nothing to do with software.
May as well complain Linux or BSD weren't shown on a chart showing the popularity of disco music from the 1970s through to 2005. (no, t
I'm surprised (Score:3, Interesting)
You're misreading the graph (Score:2)
Re:You're misreading the graph (Score:2)
Huh. Guess I can forgive my parents then. Damn Trash-80. Then again, I was probably just too young to know what to do with it.
Think how different it might have been today.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Think how different it might have been today.. (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't think they could bring themselves to sell it at a low price - they charged maybe USD 1000 for it.
And now they are dead. So sad. They made good kit.
Unix was tried and failed ... (Score:2)
It was tried. Microsoft sold Xenix, no one cared, MS then gave up and sold it to SCO I think. MS' second attempt to get people to move to a "proper" operating system was OS/2 1.x, that failed too. You just couldn't get people to give up on DOS. You literally have to "give awa
Re:Unix was tried and failed ... (Score:3, Informative)
it was a fiasco for several reasons. one of them was the 286 could switch from "real mode" (in this mode it was little more than a glorified 8086) to "protected mode" (with all the new features), but there was no way
Re:Think how different it might have been today.. (Score:2)
Re:Think how different it might have been today.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Think how different it might have been today.. (Score:4, Informative)
Like, Microsoft Xenix?
Or, the AT&T Unix PC?
Or, AUX on a 680x0 Macintosh?
Or, NeXTStep?
Or, Sun Workstations?
Yeah... it would have been real different if any of the above had existed twenty years ago. But, I guess we can only imagine...
Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? (Score:5, Interesting)
My dad had a huge collection of these magazines. But what interested me (at 6yo) was the ads, because they mostly were videogame ads, full of colors, etc.
Remember Summer Games? Summer Games II, Winter games? Pitfall II? H.E.R.O?
Ah... i feel so nostalgic about it
Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? (Score:2)
Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? (Score:2)
Just to start a my dad vs. your dad war, my dad has a huge collection of Byte magazine, with almost every issue from their inception until somewhere in the mid-80's, when they started to suck. The best part is the cover art, I remember thinking the covers were tripped out when I was around 5 years old.
Anyway, he's had these mags taking up space in our basement, the butt of many jokes about how useful they are, etc. One day about 5 years ago my brother a
Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? (Score:2)
Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? (Score:2, Informative)
Yeah, that sounds right!!! I know that was it. It was soo cool, all my friends would come over and do their papers on it too. All written in assembler too! I remember adding a spellchecker to it from COMPUTE! Gazette magazine.
Hey I found a version for the Atari documented here on the web, you might like to read it, its even got the codes to enter in with MLX to build it:
http://www.atariarchives.org/speedscript/ch2.php#s pl [atariarchives.org]
Someone else posting about speedscript on the C64 here too:
http:// [troyandjessica.com]
Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. (Score:2)
I first learnt logo on the BBC.
Acorn / RISC OS (Score:2)
UK market share (Score:4, Informative)
ZX Spectrum (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. (Score:3, Interesting)
I had a BBC 'B' which put me in a bit of an Elite ;) for a while but relatively limited for games. Revs was good with it's great Silverstone implementation (pre emasculation with all of the chicanes) as was Elite of course...
Re:I have 2 BBCs (Score:2)
I'm racking my brains for the disc commands is it something like *DISK n?
You might have to switch over to another eprom because the network stuff was non-standard & was implemented by using a different boot eprom IIRC. It's the one on the left of the 4 slots in the basic B as you look from the front (it'll be a plain one not one with a label covering a window). Earth yourself & good luck. Swap out from one to t
Re:I have 2 BBCs (Score:2)
I still - very occasionally - hit the "@" key when going for the "*".
One of the unique features of the BBC Micro was that you could boot it up and immediately write code - not just BASIC, which all the 8-bit home micros could do - but ASSEMBLY!
Re:I have 2 BBCs (Score:2)
Didn't the OS record which EPROM had registered a * command and automatically page it in? Or did it poll them all when a * command was issued until one responded? You shouldn't have to page in EPROMs to issue * commands.
PC dominance an argument for open-source software? (Score:2, Interesting)
No. (Score:2)
Open source software, great as it is, played no significant role, pro or con, in the rise of the PC to dominance.
IBM doesn't make any cash at all from every PC product sold, because they gave up the software end, figuring the real money was in hardware (oops). Then Compaq reverse engineered their bios chips and broke their lock on the hardware. IBM doesn't even make PCs anymore. The PC rose to dominance essentially because IBM blew it repeatedly, and lost control of the platform they created.
Re:PC dominance an argument for open-source softwa (Score:3, Interesting)
Well for Mac weenies, vendor lock-in on the software is just not enough. They need the warm comforting feeling of vendor lock-in monopoly hardware too.
I think you use the phrase 'open source' here a lot more than you mean to, so I'll adjust the argument appropriately
"I guess with multiple vendors making products for the platform, open-source junkies are satisfied that one company isn't making all the profits"
For "open source ju
My first PC came with both CPM and DOS (Score:2)
That was to help recoup the $2500 cost of the 4.77Mhz (yes, kids, not Ghz) dual floppy (no HDD) computer.
It was really cool - it was an "all-in-one" Televideo, with 4-shades of green, emulating CGA!
w00t!
w00t, in this context, means "we owned q'bert"!
I only regret not retrieving the system from my sister-in-law, who had it in her attic as recently as 2 years ago. Lost forever now...
Kinda disappointed in the article... (Score:2, Interesting)
Seriously though, I remember my first PC was a Packard Bell 486 running Windows 3.11
Ah, those were the days... when playing an mp3 at full quality was a system intensive task... when a 2gig hard drive was A LOT of space... when a 56k connection was FAST... when owning TWO computers was a big deal... when L.O.R.D was the king of BBS games...
*sigh* Those were the days.
Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... (Score:2)
Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... (Score:2)
Those were not the days
For computer history buffs... (Score:5, Informative)
gah (Score:5, Informative)
Even on the first page, they act like all these companies were run by idiots, ignoring the possibility of a PC that was supposedly right under their noses.
It wasn't that the technology wasn't ready. Intel, at the time primarily a manufacturer of memory chips, had invented the first microprocessor (the 4-bit 4004) in 1971. This was followed up with the 8-bit 8008 in 1972 and the more-capable 8080 chip in 1974. However, Intel didn't see the potential of its own product, considering it to be useful mainly for calculators, traffic lights, and other embedded applications
That's because that's all it was good for. SMPS technology was in its infancy. Storage technology involved huge platters or huge tapes. RAM was damn expensive.
So what did they think Intel should have done? Released a "PC" in 1971 that weighed 200 pounds with a linear power supply, came with a mini-fridge sized persistant storage unit that held 100k, had 4k RAM and cost $20,000?
The technology indeed wasn't ready. The PC came when it did because technology allowed it to come, not because of lack of vision.
Re:gah (Score:4, Interesting)
So? There's no reason PCs couldn't have operated with linear power supplies. They are even cheaper than SMPS. Effeciency and size wasn't much of an issue at the time.
Although slow, cassette tapes were a real option back then. Large floppy disks from IBM were also starting to appear at the time, although expensive.
Everything was expensive. That doesn't mean there wasn't a market for low-spec'd, expensive machines (still far smaller and far less expensive than minicomputers).
Sure, why not? Even with 4K of RAM, people would definately have found uses for them.
Only if you redefine "PC" in some very specific way. Practical PCs could have come about years before they did.
Not So! Clarke was there first! (Score:5, Interesting)
"The idea of a personal computer, something small and light enough for someone to pick up and carry around, wasn't even on the radar." (referring to the mid- to early-eighties).
Not so -- Arthur C. Clarke, in his mid-Seventies novel "Imperial Earth" described a device called the "Minisec", which sonds a lot like a modern PDA -- it could even "synch" to a larger console computer via infrared.
Re:Not So! Clarke was there first! (Score:2)
The article is about reality, not SF. Asimov described powerful pocket computers in his Foundation series, ca. 1940. He probably wasn't the first.
Re: Asimov (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: Asimov (Score:2)
Off on a tangent... 30 years since I read those. Anyway, it was either Hari Seldon himself, or maybe the Second Foundation members who had those. The latter also had wall-screen displays to run the psycho-history equations. I haven't read any of the sequels he and others wrote long after when he t
Future Landmark (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Future Landmark (Score:2)
Welcome to 1998, brother. We've been waiting for you a long time...
Another error... (Score:4, Informative)
Somebody's forgotten about (or more likely too young to know about) Dungeon Master which debuted on the Atari ST in 1988 - I remember an Amiga owning friend of mine coming over to play my copy. He later ended up writing a Sci-Fi clone of it called BSS Jane Seymour IIRC for the Amiga.
Those were the days...
Re:Another error... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Another error... (reformatted) (Score:2)
Back then I made it a mission to play every CRPG that was released on the Amiga, and I did so up to and including Eye of the Beholder. Then suddenly became totally bored with the genre, though I was funny to see PC owners getting excited over these "new" 3D RPGs in the 90s.
Probably the most fun I had playing a CPRG was when I played BloodWytch (Amiga) wit
Slashdot could make BILLIONS! (Score:5, Funny)
Dammit Slashdot! If you would just drop the capital S, you could be making billions of dollars too!
Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a much more interesting story waiting to be told I think when you look at the eveolution of the home market. Things were very different than the simple story that these graphs tell.
The only REAL COMPETITION story is in the home computer market. That is where we had C=, Apple, Tandy, TI, Atari etc actually innovating and competing. The business market never even gave a single platform a chance other than IBM PC's, so I feel by including the business stuff in the story your just introducing a HUGE amount of BORING to the story.
Screw the business pc market, tell the story about the more dynamic home computer market where PC's didn't even start to make much of a splash until just before Windows311/Windows 95 came out.
Terminals + Big Iron, Apple ///, Unix workstations (Score:2)
Re:Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS (Score:2)
Re:Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS (Score:2)
Ad server is slashdotted (Score:5, Funny)
Welcome to "Web 2.0" - now with the performance of 38K dialup.
Re:Ad server is slashdotted (Score:2)
But Ars Technica is a great example of how to squeeze every last ad view impression out of each visitor, and blend the ads in nicely so you barely separate the article content from the advertised products. Visiting that site just now has prompted me to install adblocking software.
Poor Apple (Score:3, Interesting)
Sales up, Profit up, Marketshare way down (Score:2)
Apple's profits are at record highs and their sales are way up. Apple is growing and expanding. **BUT** the rest of the computer industry is growing faster. As a result, Apple's marketshare continues to drop.
Re:Poor Apple (Score:4, Insightful)
It sounds like you pay a bit more attention to advertising than you really should. The reason you don't see it is that (despite Apple's ads) it's not real. Rather the contrary: the last time a Mac actually gained noticeable market share was the original iMac. Apple really topped out in the early 1990's, and has been on a long, (admittedly slow) downhill slide since then. They've managed to produce a couple of temporary upward bumps since then, but never anything very significant. Ultimately, it's just a bit of noise in a long, slow slide into oblivion.
Recently, Apple's doing a bit better financially, but that's due to sales of iPods (and associated music, accessories, etc.) not Macs.
This "change of venue" helps them considerably. On the computer front, they have a major problem: almost any change large enough to stand any chance of gaining significant market share would also very likely alienate a large portion of their existing user base. The iPod gives Apple a way out: instead of taking huge gambles in the OS, they just quietly de-emphasize the Mac, and put their real effort into iPods (which are more profitable anyway).
In fact, I'd personally guess that Apple's switch to Intel processors is driven far more by the iPod's success than by technical details like CPU clock speed or power consumption. The improvement in Macs will be an almost accidental side-effect. The fact that it lets them concentrate on iPods instead of things like bridge chips and motherboards for PowerPCs means far more. Of course, they do still make quite a bit of money on Macs, so they have to de-emphasize them slowly, carefully, and in a way that doesn't alienate their user base (after all, that's why they can't make significant improvements in the Mac either). Over time, however, the Mac will become much more like a generic PC clone, with just enough unique to Apple to prevent running OS/X on anything Apple didn't sell. Eventually, even those trivial differences may be eliminated in favor of using a "Trusted Computing Platform" to "manage your rights", so they can charge a 20% premium for what will otherwise be an utterly generic PC.
Apple bottomed out at 1.8%, 2005 jumped to 4.4% (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/b
"Apple has also recently made market share inroads in the United States, according to IDC. After years of hovering between a 2.5
and 3.7 percent share of the U.S. PC market, the company finally cracked 4 percent in the first half of 2005, Daoud said.
Apple's market share of PC shipments was 4.4 percent in the third quarter, an increase of 43 percent from the year ago period,
while the overall PC market expanded by only 2 percent, he said."
Not True (Score:3, Interesting)
In 2001 Apple sold about 3 million Macs which generated about 4.5 billion in
Re:Poor Apple (Score:2)
Re:Poor Apple (Score:2)
Wow... (Score:4, Insightful)
A classic example of an unfocused, poorly researched article.
RCA Cosmac VIP (Score:2)
I had a lot of fun programming this thing in machine code, writ
Is there a problem with the conclusion graph? (Score:2)
Basic Bill (Score:2)
It's really sad that neither his detractors (quite a few) nor his admirers (there must be some) remember that Bill Gates got his start writing a really gawdawful implementation of BASIC. I guess it had to be gawdawful, because
I expected better from arstechnica (Score:2)
The 8086 and 8088 both used 20 bit addressing, 2^20 = 1,048,576, it's simple math!!!
Fire in the Valley (Read this book!) (Score:2)
Growing up in the 90s (Score:5, Informative)
Even before the world standardized on Microsoft Office, and people were using Word Perfect and Lotus Office, saying that an Amiga 500 was a proper computer was the equivalent of saying that an XBox 360 is a 'real' computer now.
Thats the tragedy of the 90s, these great systems are gone, not because they weren't any good, but because people didn't know how to use them, and nothing has changed now. I shocked a developer that I work with yesterday by saying that you could run a lot of DirectX games on Linux. Everytime I pull my PowerBook out in a meeting with new clients they are shocked that a geek would use a Mac instead of a 'real' computer. But if anything its more ridiculous:
SCSI/Firewire/USB/SATA/PCI/Ethernet/TCP/IP
We have standardized on so much that even our games consoles are almost indistinguisable from an IBM clone, and yet if you walk into an computer shop you have at most two options: PC / Mac, and in a couple of months both of those systems will be identical in all but OS.
So as a world, why are we so obessed with the Wintel platform?
Its can't be performance. Ever since the PIII, the two biggest barriers to real office performance have been RAM and HDD speed, and with 256MB RAM costing £20 and fast enough HDDs for £40 that really isn't a barrier.
It can't be price. Apple, with their extrodinary mark-ups are capable of producing the Mac Mini for £350. Where are the other PPC / ARM / SPARC / POWER contenders?
It can't even be software. Linux, in particular Ubuntu, have matured to such an extent that for 'real' computer task it exceeds Windows in usability and functionality. I could sit my dad in front of Open Office, on an Ubuntu box and he'd be just as functional within hours.
I think its DRM.
The XBox 360 has a 20GB harddrive, 512MB RAM a full networking stack and an API sophisticated enough that it is possible to create applications with graphics comparable to Jurasic Park, in real time. It has the ability to connect to my iPod, my camera, a keyboard and mouse, and it even has an external SATA connection (albeit proprietary) for future expansion of the harddrive. At £270 its a good price, for a system that would be fascinating to play with because of its 6 hardware threads. And yet its competitor is the unreleased PS3, not the mac mini.
Millions of these units will be sold and will achieve a market penetration that Steve Jobs would kill for, many of them to lower income families (who value entertainment and keeping up with the Jones' over education) and yet, because of DRM, the number of children that will do their homework on one, or use it as a 'real' computer will be counted on one hand, and even fewer will ever use it to develop software for the console itself (unlike the Commodore 64).
Beacause of DRM, turning these systems into a home computer isn't as simple as inserting a Live DVD and attaching a £10 keyboard and mouse set. Because of DRM, an exciting and innovative hardware platform will never be anything more than a toy. Because of DRM, in 30 years time, the Ars Technica article won't even mention the PS3 or the XBox when they're talking about the development of the home computer. So much for protecting innovators and artists.
Re:Growing up in the 90s (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I don't understand your post at all (Score:3, Interesting)
My second point was that if it wasn't DRM encumbered, and was allowed to run a full OS, its share in the home market would probably make up a significant percentage, just like the commodore amiga did back in the 90s.
My final point, although it was probably the weakest, is that it doesn't matter what you are selling, if its not Intel/Win
Re:I don't understand your post at all (Score:3, Interesting)
I looked at this issue on a thread a long time ago, and I'll restate it here - people don't care about computers anymore. I don't know why. My kids have access to gaming and coding technology I would have killed for, and they don't even care. They don't even play computer games much anymore - they're simply not interested. What the heck happened?
Game In
History (Score:2)
But if you mean a modern PC (personal microcomputer not sold in kit), it was french and named MICRAL. Ref. [fortunecity.com]
Home micros, custom chips and the Amiga (Score:5, Insightful)
What is noteworthy is that the most successful computers were not the most technologically advanced. For example, at the time I was playing "Shadow of The Beast" on my Amiga with 18 levels of parallax scrolling and hundreds of colors at 50 FPS, the PC could do 16 colors at low resolution without parallax scrolling and barely reaching 15 FPS. The difference in visual quality was so great, that it made me believe that custom chips (what is now known as 'video accelerators') would be the first thing any IBM-compatible PC would have right away. But I was so wrong: It took 10 years for the first video accelerator for the PC to arrive.
Personally I think the Amiga was the most important home PC ever. It showed how a home computer should be like: easy to access, loads almost instantly, plays on TV and on computer monitor, with a wealthy of tools for the programmer and amateur electronics designer, and totally open in specs. In fact, the Amiga was so versatile as to (for example): a) display 16M colors where only 256 colors were actually allowed (on Amiga 1200), b) have CPU 68000, 68030 and PowerPC running at the same time, using the same memory.
What went wrong for Commodore? The Amiga had great prospect, but what killed it was the disability of Commodore to see the importance of 3D graphics. Back at 1991, Commodore had a great custom chip that could do 1 million textured polygons at 50 frames per second with hardware transformation, but they instead went on to produce CD32. The decision was a result of internal politics...then Doom appeared on the PC, making it the premier gaming choice, and the rest is history.
The history of Amiga reminds me of SEGA: SEGA were the masters of 3D graphics at the arcades, but they miserably failed to produce any decent 3D machine until the Dreamcast. SEGA underestimated the importance of 3D graphics for the home, and they were forced out of the console business. If we had arcade-quality Outrun, Space Harrier, Afterburner and Powerdrift at home during the Genesis/Megadrive era, and then Virtua Fighter / Virtua Striker, things would be different today for SEGA, just as it would be for Commodore if the Amiga had custom chips for 3D graphics 10 years before the PC.
Do you know where Apple's logo comes from? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Do you know where Apple's logo comes from? (Score:4, Informative)
is EXACTLY what was on the original Apple computer logo, a drawing of Isacc Newton and the apple.
C64, Amiga, and INFO Magazine (Score:5, Interesting)
At INFO magazine, we were right in the middle, bashing IBM and Atari, giving grudging admiration to the Mac, and singing the praises of the Commodore 64 and Amiga.
Those were the days.
Anyone still interested in such things might be interested in visiting my INFO nostalgia page at: http://airship.home.mchsi.com/infomag.htm [mchsi.com]
- Mark R. Brown, former Managing Editor, INFO Magazine
PS Very nice article at Ars, by the way. Great research. Those numbers are almost impossible to find, and I think they did a great job. Love the graphs.
Re:Fast... like turbo button! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Fast... like turbo button! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Fast... like turbo button! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nothing like the old days.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds vaguely familiar [slashdot.org].
GOodbye, fair karma.
microsoft may have the BSOD (Score:2)
Re:microsoft may have the BSOD (Score:3, Interesting)
The system bom
Re:Microsoft sucks. (Score:4, Insightful)
After reading the article, it's not all that clear that Apple would have the PC's penetration today. Apple's marketshare didn't go above 14%, even before Windows 95 came along. Like or hate Microsoft, Billyboy was right about the market power of clones.
Re:Microsoft sucks. (Score:3, Informative)
Thats because this article sucks. It totally ignores the fact that the HOME PC market was TOTALLY DIFFERENT back then from the business market.
Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.
The home market was dominated by Commodore, Apple, Atari, Tandy, TI, etc.
The problem with this article is the graphs lump the business market, which ONLY BOUGHT IBM PC's, and mixes
Re:Microsoft sucks. (Score:3, Informative)
Note true at all. There was a big home market for PC clones in the late 1980s. People wanted them to run word processors, mostly. Remember Word Perfect? WordStar? Q&A Write? And you could buy a lot of Atari, Apple, and C64 games that were ported over to the PC, though usually with horrific graphics.
Gates and Allen: Guru masters of Balck Magic? (Score:4, Insightful)
You make it seem like Allen and Gates are Einstein and Newton, the ONLY people capable of writing a compiler/interpreter. PLEASE. As if they designed BASIC? Which is why it was on Apple ][s. This is not proof of "great men" theory of history. They just happened to be willing to write BASIC for it.
I mean, if MS hadn't been such bastards, we would have had a far better DOS from IBM or DR-DOS, and would have transitioned to OS/2 with true preemptive multitasking. Or we would have had NeXTs on the desktops, or a better clone of MacOS.
Back to the land of disingenous specious baseless arguments. No more of that here. What am I kidding? This is slashdot.
Re:Gates and Allen: Guru masters of Balck Magic? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Microsoft sucks. (Score:2)
They're working on it - look up "Trusted Computing" sometime
Re:Microsoft sucks. (Score:2)