Thunderbird 1.5 Arrives 399
Tech Support writes "Thunderbird 1.5 is here! It's ready to download, so get going. Finally, Firefox 1.5 has its counterpart. New features included automatic updates, anti-phishing protection, inline spellchecking, saved search folders, podcasting, RSS improvements, the ability to delete attachments from messages, and a whole lot more."
Ubuntu packages (Score:2, Interesting)
And while we are at it, are there [semi-]official Firefox 1.5 packages Ubuntu?
Re:Ubuntu packages (Score:2)
You could also pick up Dapper early, which is what I've done, but I also have a 5G iPod and
Re:Ubuntu packages (Score:2)
The page on Thunderbird still refers to 1.5rc1, but I think the same instructions apply (with the obvious changes).
Does it move sent mail into the appropriate folder (Score:2, Interesting)
Actually, I stopped using Thunderbird when I lost all my email in my last Windows backup/restore. Now I just use my Gmail from Firefox account. Does it have anything cool in it that means there's actually a point in using an email client any more, or do I just stick with my browser?
Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (Score:4, Informative)
I use "leave messages on server" and "Don't Delete" functions for portability as well as being able to access the same mailbox(es) from multiple computers(ie. pulling my personal mail to my work computer and leaving it available for home computer, or pulling my gmail account email to the email client and keeping it available on webmail too).
I also backup my %root%/Documents and Settings/%username%/Application Data/Thunderbird folder to keep my email settings the same as they were pre-reformat if I'm doing a backup before I reinstall windows every ~3 months or so. You can do the same with Firefox, but I have run into some problems if I saved said profile folder from one version and tried to port it into a new version. The easy fix is to make sure you keep the installer from the last version of software, replace the profile folder, and upgrade with the newest installer.
Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (Score:5, Insightful)
- A reasonable (1GB+) amount of disk space.
- IMAP and webmail access.
I've seen various combinations (particularly a large amount of disk space with POP), but never a really good IMAP service. If someone knows of one please let me know!Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (Score:2)
Still, it's great to have, especially after my school's CompSci department's IMAP server got me hooked.
I really like what I can do with Cyrus IMAP, though, especially with the sieve server-side filtering. Really nice to have my mail-filter rules independent of my mail client too.
Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (Score:4, Informative)
Their largest account comes with 2GB's of space, IMAP/POP, Spam Assasin, Sieve, 250MB of file space and tonnes more other things. All for only 40bucks a year. They have other plans, so you can pick and choose what you need.
but does it still hang (Score:2)
Vertical Panes? (Score:2)
Re:Vertical Panes? (Score:5, Informative)
View > Layout > Vertical View
Re:Vertical Panes? (Score:5, Insightful)
Deleting attachments from messages. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Deleting attachments from messages. (Score:5, Funny)
On the heels of the Bird Flu pandemic, I'm not convinced this would be good publicity.
hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs (Score:3, Informative)
I also notice that when having "Full Headers" viewable, it's impossible to read the content of the email.
Re:hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs (Score:5, Informative)
I don't have Thunderbird, but I had problem with expanded headers so I simply did the following:
#msgHeaderView
{
max-height: 10em;
overflow: auto;
}
#expandedEnigmailBox
{
max-width: 80em;
}
I don't know if the DOM Inspector is available for Thunderbird, but every time I want to
tweak the suite a little, I actually edit it. No harder than editing a web page.
Thunderbird attachment pane bugs (Score:4, Informative)
No, apparently it's not. CSS patches have been tried, and for some reason it doesn't work right for the attachment pane. See the following bugs for details (copy link to a new tab, slashdot referrer is blocked):
If you can find a css tweak that works, please submit a patch.
Re:hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs (Score:3, Insightful)
Someone had some fun playing with XUL and changed the interface, but the core message filtering is still an All or Any situation.
Maybe Outlook import has improved (Score:2, Informative)
I'll give it another shot with this version, as I would love to be able to get away from Outlook once and for all.
Re:Maybe Outlook import has improved (Score:2)
Upgrade (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Upgrade (Score:5, Funny)
Justin.
Threading (Score:3, Interesting)
In Portage already? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:In Portage already? (Score:3, Interesting)
If you prefer integration.... (Score:4, Informative)
What about the usenet filters? (Score:2)
Mozilla also has a bug that if you filter on one author it takes out the entire thread instead of just that author and replies to him/her.
Does Thunderbird go beyond that bug?
Podcasting? In an email application?? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Podcasting? In an email application?? (Score:3, Informative)
If there was functionality to podcast built into TB, I'd agree with you, though.
Re:Podcasting? In an email application?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Podcasting? In an email application?? (Score:2, Funny)
New hotness: "Every program expands until it supports podcasting."
Still no contact Management... (Score:2)
I guess I'm stuck with web mail and OLK. Sad but true.
Until I can print an address book with more than 3-4 contacts per page with something else that OLK, I'm stuck.
Does it have.... (Score:2, Interesting)
on the mac version, at least... (Score:2)
That should do it.
no changes since RC2 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:no changes since RC2 (Score:3, Informative)
This release equals RC2 ! (Score:2, Redundant)
The Mailer I want (Score:3, Interesting)
Yet it still looks like a software that's aping last decades Outlook/Netscape Mail crappyness.
What I whish for is this:
Three-Divided is the 5uXX0rz!!1!1!!11ONE!
Default non-three-divided screen. Three-devided is pointless. It sucks. It really does. Nobody really needs it and it definitely is bad as a default setting. If at all it should be optional. This is one thing that elitistware called Mutt actually really does right. I'd like Thunderbird with tabbed fullscreen folder, mails, read and edit views. With easy switching up and down the herachy with Ctrl.-Arrow or something. It can't be that hard, no?
Encryption. All variants. Out of the box.
Zero-hassle, zero compile this, semi-maybe-works-if-your-lucky pseudo wannabe plugin encryption. As in: Start Mailer, Klick "Encryption", Klick "Make Key" and get rolling. It can't that hard, or? KMail and Thunderbird have be practically lying about this to the community for years. Both say they support encrytion. Fact is, they don't. Enigmail is compiling agains a moving target and rarely hits - i couldn't get it to run once - and KMail encryption, despite their bold marketing claims on the projects website, is Vaporware. Pure and utter.
(Note to KMail: If I have to compile at least 2 different frameworks, including downloading some rare, bizar Aegypten library kit and, on top of that, fiddle with some arcane pseudo-plugin architecture in order to get a "KMail Encryption Plugin" running, then KMail does not offer a Plugin. A plugin is just that: You Plug it in and it just works. Bottom line: Please quit lying to your users. It pisses them off. qed)
If only a mailer would offer these features, one could actually presume that E-Mail clients have arived in the 21st century. Until then all mailers suck. One way or the other.
Re:The Mailer I want (Score:2)
Except I do. In my case, and I'd suspect a number of folk at the uni I work for, it allows me to see my inbox contents, an open email, and all the umpteen bboards I subscribe at the same college telling me which ones have new messages in them. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you meant...
Thunderbird has encryption (Score:3, Interesting)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_an_SMIME_cer
I use it. It works. Mailing lists tend to fsck up signatures, though.
Re:The Mailer I want (Score:2)
Greetings,
A bug? (Score:2)
Starts ok. Loads
Inline spellchecking needs work (Score:4, Informative)
Try replying to a large email (100K+) -- Thunderbird will choke and your CPU usage will go through the roof, as Thunderbird inexplicably tries to spellcheck words you've not written in the previous email history. I've had Thunderbird choke for over 10 minutes on certain emails before I finally had to kill the process.
Hoping they fixed this one for 1.5-final.
Re:Inline spellchecking needs work (Score:3, Interesting)
Plus there's being unable to reply before it's downloaded the attachments to the message (you just get a blank email instead of the original text quoted).
Funnily enough the best for large stuff seems to be Outlook Express. Only that's basically unusable because it doesn't do quoting correctly and you have to manually edit the message (trying doing th
Re:Inline spellchecking needs work (Score:2)
I think that would be fairly true of any email app with that many messages. Maybe it's time to archive a little? One quick and dirty way to do it is to zip your mail folder, store it someplace else, then delete the first 9000 (or so) messages. If you need 'em that bad, it won't take long to restore them. (Having said all that, some sort of arch
Linux install problem Solution (Score:2)
What about Outlook compatibility? (Score:2)
Mozilla Address Book (Score:2, Insightful)
One thing Thunderbird really needs... (Score:2)
I really miss the SpamBayes [sourceforge.net] plugin that I used in Outlook. And the standalone server option doesn't work nearly as well for me.
Most people don't need this, but I want this, also: the ability to hit a button and send all selected messages, as individual inline messages and not one attachment, to an address or two I have previously specified. Why? Because I want to send all the spam I select to uce@ftc.gov and to Spamcop.
Re:One thing Thunderbird really needs... (Score:2)
uninstall old version first (Score:2)
Now all they need to do is use 1 Runtime Engine (Score:4, Interesting)
why not have the runtime engine built into all three products but only install if it isn't already present? Ya know, save memory and work on improving 1 engine instead of 3. Oh yeah, that's too smart and already exists as Mozilla (which was canned)...err...SeaMonkey.
This is being brought to you by the same category of boffins that duped you into believing that tearing apart the StarOffice Suite would IMPROVE system response when, in fact, it has slowed things down about tenfold while using up MORE memory.
I don't doubt that they are good products on their own but how about using a runtime engine that is already present instead of loading a new one each time - PAY ATTENTION SUN AND OO.ORG.
The regression of these 2 areas (i.e. Mozilla and openoffice) is so sad and considering that they are the 2 most used packages says something about the leaders of these software packages.
For the life of me, I can't figure out:
1) Why Sun dumped the integrated package and didn't make it opensource while opensourcing the split apps.
2) Why the promise of increased speed hasn't been fulfilled?
3) Why things would get 10x worse, in terms of speed, with OO?
4) Why the FF and TB creaters aren't working on a common GRE? How many people DON'T use both at the same time?! I love the packages but after seeing the memory useage when using both and comparing to Mozilla, I quickly went back to the Mozilla Suite.
Enough ranting for the day
XULRunner to the rescue... (Score:5, Informative)
I believe this is indeed the replacement name for what used to be known as "GRE" (Gecko Runtime Environment) and can be used for *any* XUL-based application, not just stuff coming out of the Moz development team. What's not clear to me yet is exactly when this will be complete enough to be used by Firefox etc. - maybe for 2.0, maybe not.
no, they don't (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, it is, because it means that they all can use different versions of the runtime engine.
For the life of me, I can't figure out:
Well, keep thinking about it, maybe eventually you will figure it out. It makes sense to me: Firefox, Thunderbird, and OOo get the job done with a memory footprint, speed, and release dates that I can live with. That's what counts.
2 things I need before I switch fom Outlook (Score:2)
2. A calender function.
.... *sigh* (Score:2)
Seems that 1.5 is 1.5RC2, which I've been using since it came out. So basically, they haven't fixed the tens of obvious and terrible IMAP bugs (like accounts failing to auto-check mail on startup; messages ending up permanently corrupt if you lose the connection while downloading them; etc ). Been waiting for 1.5 until I drop out of TB for IMAP. Anyone know of any *good* IMAP mail clients for Win32?
****** broken (Score:3, Interesting)
Doh, of course now email doesnt work. No errors messages, no message boxes, NOTHING!
Between this and FireFox 1.5 not displaying Flash, hogging massive amounts of memory, rendering some large pages a LOT more slowly than 1.0.x; crashing etc. etc; The Moz/FF have left me a lot less impressed than I once was...
WARNING if you are on Windows uninstall..... (Score:4, Informative)
Attachments still conquer my screen (Score:3, Insightful)
Mailing list digests have the separate messages included as attachments, and on my 1024x768 screen resolution the attachment list, which Thunderbird finds obligatory to show, takes up a huge area.
Dammit, how difficult can it be to put a little clickable arrow there so that I could minimize the attachment list??? Or have I missed an option somewhere?
Re:But does it have... (Score:3, Insightful)
Isn't that what Sunbird is supposed to be for?
it is (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:it is (Score:2)
Re:it is (Score:2)
Actually, not Seamonkey (Score:5, Informative)
Re:But does it have... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:But does it have... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:But does it have... (Score:5, Informative)
If thunderbird had VCAL support and very basic calendaring, I'd switch because then I'd actually have a reason to use it over pine.
Re:But does it have... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:But does it have... (Score:2)
Re:But does it have... (Score:3, Informative)
No, and in addition... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No, and in addition... (Score:5, Informative)
They're not blocked by the update, they're blocked by the creator of the extension in the configuration file.
If you want to try to manually bump your extensions (so that Thunderbird sees them as compatible), close Thunderbird, go to %APPDATA%\Thunderbird\Profiles\{your_profile}\exte nsions, open the "extensions.rdf" file, bump all the "em:maxVersion" that are set at 1.0, 1.0+ or 1.0.something to "1.5+", save, close, restart thunderbird.
Beware though, if you have TRULY incompatible extensions (may happen, especially for big version changes), you may bork your UI completely. I'd suggest a full profile archiving before trying so that you can reset everything if issues arise.
Re:No, and in addition... (Score:2)
wow (Score:3, Funny)
Re:wow (Score:3, Insightful)
why, yes (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:why, yes (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Still no multiple SMTP (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I feel so stupid now! (Score:2)
Are you serious? Here's how it works, at least on my mac (I think it worked on my xp box, also):
Tools > account settings > pick the "account" at the bottom that says outgoing mail server (SMTP) > click the add button. Then when you're done adding one, it will be added to all the SMTP drop downs.
I'm using a Tbird 1.5 beta, but I remember similar steps in the past.
Re:SMTP is CONNECTION related (Score:2)
It's supported multiple SMTP servers for as long as I can remember... certainly 1.0. Hell, I couldn't use it if it didn't.
Re:SMTP is CONNECTION related (Score:2)
And as long as we're being pedantic, Thunderbird has "multiple SMTP server settings". What it doesn't have is a way to choose which server you want on-the-fly during composition. I assume this is what you are actually looking for, since "4 SMTP servers for 1 account" doesn't make much sense--to me, it implies wanting to send through all 4 rather than being able to choose which server to send through for any given comp
On 1.5 you can. (Score:3, Informative)
Click on the "Properties", Click on the "Outgoing Server", Click on "Add". There you can add the SMTP server you want.
Then to associate the server you want for a particular account. Go into that account's main Account Settings page and you'll see a dropdown listbox that will have the SMTP server you just added.
It's working a bit different from 1.0.7.
Re:On 1.5 you can. (Score:2, Insightful)
Just to clarify what I think you're asking... (Score:2)
Correct?
Re:Still no multiple SMTP (Score:2)
Re:Still no multiple SMTP (Score:2)
Re:Pussies, the lot of you (Score:2)
Re:Pussies, the lot of you (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Don't... make... me... choose... (Score:2)
Re:Don't... make... me... choose... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Don't... make... me... choose... (Score:2)
Mail.app on the other hand, does a very nice job with its basic set of features, but e
Re:At least mozilla.org does not get ./'ed (Score:2)
Re:Podcasting? (Score:3)
Podcasts are simply rss feeds. RSS reading can fit VERY well into an email style format. Making it aware of the extra tag saying "There's an mp3 associated with this post" and offering a link to download makes all the sense in the world.
Having it read RSS and NOT handling the podcast stuff would be very dumb.
Re:Doesn't run at all on my computer (Score:3, Informative)
To fix this, I uninstalled the new 1.5. Reinstall into a different folder. I created a new one called Thunderbird instead of 'Mozilla Thunderbird'. Then, delete the old directory and you are good to go.
Re:Doesn't run at all on my computer (Score:2)
Didn't see anything about this in the release notes, but maybe I missed it.
Re:Doesn't run at all on my computer (Score:4, Informative)
Release Notes read
All Systems
* Prior to installing Thunderbird 1.5, please ensure that the directory you've chosen to install into is clean and doesn't contain any previous Thunderbird installations.
Easy enough to miss.
Re:Doesn't run at all on my computer (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not Convinced (Score:2)
I like firefox and thunderbird, but given
Re:Speed? (Score:2)