Smart Elevators Coming to Seattle 364
coaxial writes "Fujitec has unveiled a new elevator system for Seattle's Metropolitan Park West Tower. The new system uses touchpanels to group users by destination. Riders may wait slightly longer for the proper car, but the overall ride is shortened because the car stops less."
Sweet Zarquon (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Sweet Zarquon (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you for not making me scroll at all.
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There are just some comments that the +5 limit should be waived for. Ten out of ten for style...
Real World may hold surprises (Score:5, Insightful)
"One lady walked up to the kiosk, and I told her to enter her floor number, and she said, 'That's ridiculous,' " said Tim Mooney, Fujitec's west regional vice president, who was in Seattle for the launch.
The real-world functionality of this system should be an interesting battle between computer-simulated idealism and human greed. Ideally, everyone will be happy if their overall travel time decreases. But in reality, each one of the riders wants to have the fastest possible time all to himself, to heck with averages. The easiest way to game the system might be to simply enter your floor number over and over, to fool the computer into thinking there's an increased demand for that floor. Voila, private elevator!
It's almost like a test case for the collapse of communism. If everyone simply gave according to their abilities and received according to their needs, everyone would get to work sooner. But as soon as one guy punches his floor a dozen times and gets his private car delivered, the whole darned thing breaks down.
Or to put it another way, in Soviet Russia, Elevator calls YOU!
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Heck, I do that now! The elevator definitely gets there faster!
Re:Real World may hold surprises (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/02/elevator-hacki
A friend of mine got a job with the elevator repair union (you have to know someone to get in) and he's confirmed this is true for some models.
Re:Real World may hold surprises (Score:2)
I see people all the time who hit both the down and up buttons on an elevator, just to get the car to come faster. Given that people don't wait for a two-state system to cycle to their state, why are they going to wait for a $floor_count state system?
This is a great idea, in theory. Tell me in a year how well it worked.
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Re:Real World may hold surprises (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been in super-busy hotels during conventions and the best advice you can give anyone is to just get in the elevator if there's space.
Doesn't matter if it's going up or down, just get in. It will get where you're going eventually.
From my anecdotal experience, I'd be coming back past the floor I had been on and I'd see the same people I had left behind. Only now the elevator is full.
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And what do these people do when they are trying to go down, but get into an up elevator and have to ride up 30 floors before it turns around?
As a funny aside, if there were five people doing this on different floors in a row, and, say, one person going down five floors above them who doesn't do this, along with a person next to them going up, they'd all get on the up elevator, which would sl
Re:Real World may hold surprises (Score:3, Insightful)
Imagine that you're staying on the 7th floor of a building with 30 floors.
By the time the elevator gets down to your floor, it will almost always be full.
I've been there and done that.
My advice: Get on the elevator when you can. Even if it's going up, because it will save you time.
Elevators fill up and you seem to have ignored that small point in your mildly insightful comment.
Re:Real World may hold surprises (Score:2)
And it does come faster. But the people who were going down (eg: to parking) now have an unexpected stop at the lobby to pick someone up who, mysteriously, doesn't get off the elevator with them. Then the elevator goes back up to the lobby and stops to pick up the person who pressed the up button. Of course, she's already on the elevator so it just waits there for nobody. In the end, everybo
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Felon Car coming right up! (Score:4, Funny)
Hmmm, I smell an upgrade coming.. incorporate fingerprint scanning software into the touchpad.. and send an elevator car full of convicted felons crashing to the earth...
*EXCELLENT*
Oh God... (Score:5, Funny)
At this rate, Douglas Adams will overtake Clarke as the SF writer who predicts the future.
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Heh. Don't feel bad. Many of us have been in LA "once."
Few are foolish enough to be in LA twice, if it can at all be avoided.
Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you, Smart Elevator Company!
Waiting (Score:5, Insightful)
Human nature I suppose.
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If I go 1 - 19 with no stops, it's no less than 30 seconds after the doors close.
Now, the elevators are pretty nice in that there's three banks that serve different floors (ever played SimTower? I haven't, but I'm sure they'd be decent at the game if the designers played it). Even though the only options are 1, 4 (trading floor), and 14-22, stops at 1, 4, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 easily boost the tim
That depends on where you are, and who is with you (Score:2)
Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... (Score:5, Interesting)
I used to ask them why the basic "up/down" button was never replaced with a better control system -- you could request the floor you wanted to go to on the outside of the elevator instead of the inside. Sure it would cost more (needing buttons at every floor) but you could prioritize the elevator's path, saving money and time in the long run.
They told me it would never happen -- elevators would always be as they were. I guess he was mostly right, since it is now 10 years later and we still have up/down buttons, long waits, and no real efficiency in destination planning. I actually used to consider about once a year writing a paper on sorting the elevator destinations real time based on where people were and where they would be heading.
I'm surprised it finally happened.
A few things I wish elevators had (some jokingly just out of frustration):
1. On/off toggle. The idiot that hits the call button ten times would only toggle the button on and off 5 times. Let him wait, I hate the clicking sound.
2. On/off toggle in the elevator. Have you had the kid hit 10 buttons? I have. Many times. Have you had some idiot hit a few buttons by accident? I get it every week. Not that I'm in a rush, but come on, think before you hit a button.
3. Early elevator arrival notification. Tell me which elevator will be the one I'll be entering. I've been in some buildings where I'll miss 3 elevators because they don't notify you which one to wait by. Maybe they do this to prevent people from crowding the doors, but I'd rather people learn etiquette than have the crazy rushes you see in some Chicago lobbies.
4. VIP floor access. Pay $1 and get to your floor immediately.
5. BING muting. Have you been in these elevators that have to BING at every floor, even when you're going to the 33rd from the 1st? Yeesh, give me a mute button.
6. Free spray deodarant in each elevator. Talk about needing to teach people etiquette.
Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... (Score:2, Insightful)
The dings aren't for you. Be glad that you can fucking see.
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33 floors, 33 bings?
Or 33 floors, no bings, and "You've arrived at 17."
You're right, I'm glad I'm not blind, those bings would still drive me nuts.
Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... (Score:4, Insightful)
How about putting an overly complex electronics system into what is a simple mechanical device? The ding can be triggered by simple mechanical means. KISS. I'm sure you'd bitch a lot more when the elevator had to be taken out of service to troubleshoot the voice system.
Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... (Score:3, Insightful)
Sorry, but I don't buy it. In fact, I bet in 10 years the bing WILL be gone. Voice response makes more sense than trying to count bings.
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By the way I highly recommend this hotel for anyone looking for a reasonable plce to stay in central Tokyo.
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The weird thing is, I know I've been in elevators with blind people (considering I make about 1000+ rides a year and I've maybe seen a handful in my life) and almost always I've had to let them know what floor it was. I don't think the current system works, but it probably placates the ADA cops.
Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... (Score:3, Insightful)
I sick of people like you who force people like me to do something against our will.
First, my brother-in-law is fully disabled, and we will be taking care of him when my mother-in-law passes on.
Second, my other brother-in-law had MS (and died recently) and he was wheelchair bound.
I deal with disabled people in my family, and I have some friends who are disabled as well. They agree with me that the ADA laws
Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... (Score:4, Interesting)
Let's see how I can pwn this comment with a response of some articles covering how the disabled are hurt by the ADA laws and complaince regulations:
If You Weren't Disabled Before the ADA, You Are Now by Greg Perry [lewrockwell.com]
ADA Success? At What? [lewrockwell.com]
What is disabled? [lewrockwell.com]
These are my top 3 favorite articles (different authors, same website that keeps a good list of pro-liberty pieces). Read them and you'll see that the ADA is not helpful.
By the way, I have disabled friends and family who all agree it is harder to get a job and costlier to be disabled now than 10 years ago. What is your basis to repudiate what they've told me? Are you disabled? Do you live with a disabled person? Do you employ disabled people? I have a full time IT tech that is deaf who has worked for me for 3 years, and I pay him double what he received at his previous job. I also have a blind sales person who travels for me (he's legally blid 20/400 in his best eye) internationally. I do think I have something to say over what you do, my "theory" is based on facts in dealing with the disabled. Your "theory" seems to be based on class warfare.
Re:Hey, that's my idea! More things to consider... (Score:3, Insightful)
So you are part of the "majority wins, minorities eat it" crowd? I hate to break reality to you, but while you seem willing to help and employ people with disabilities, not everyone is so kind hearted. Such as the time I saw a blind man attempting to cross a street and got off course and just about killed when the light changed and instead of someone assisting the man, they just raced off the line taking the *cane* out o
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On/off buttons do exist! (Score:2)
Here in Japan, we've already got that. Admittedly I haven't seen the technology used in public elevators--probably because someone would accidentally switch off somebody else's floor, and the next thing you know umbrellas are being drawn [handguncontrolinc.org]--but at my former employer's office i
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Oblig. Simpsons (Score:3, Funny)
Homer: Whew! I made it the whole day without seeing her again.
[The elevator arrives and Homer gets in. The door closes and he notices he's crammed in with Mindy]
Aah! I mean, hello!
Mindy: [awkward] Heh...I guess we'll be going down together -- I mean, getting off togeth -- I mean --
Homer: That's OK. I'll just push the button for the stimulator -- I mean, elevator.
Oblig. Family Guy (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, just because there was a Simpsons about Homer riding in an elevator, does it necessitate quoting?
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IF wait time floor stop time THEN Proceed (Score:2)
If so, this truly would be a wonderful invention.
That's the way they work here. (Score:2)
It's been in practice for a while to keep the kids from being jerks.
Of course, they can hit all but 1 button. But when you get on, you just hit the other buttons until they all clear and then choose your floor.
Re:That's the way they work here. (Score:2)
You know, that will clear out the button selection, if you hit the wrong one, etc.
Or atleast thats what the one does at my friends apt.
This is NOT New technology... (Score:5, Informative)
--RED
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When it gets very busy, which is in theory when this system should be most effective, it breaks down completely. Here's what happens: All the people who are confused and tired of waiting for their elevator rush to any elevator that opens, not realizing it may not be going to their floor. Then the people who actually know how the system works can't get on their elevator, and have to rekey their floor and then be told to wait for a different elevator. And then the whole process repeats.
It is somewhat hilarious to watch people get on the elevator, reach for the non-existent floor buttons inside the car, then look around confused as the doors close and they are whisked off to some random floor nowhere near their destination.
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wait time (Score:2, Interesting)
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best solution (Score:4, Funny)
heh (Score:5, Funny)
Apparently my mother-in-law was in Seattle this week.
I'm wondering... (Score:2)
Guidance system? Could it be they're planning to use elevators to launch guided missiles? Or perhaps launch people to exotic destinations? Or perhaps they mean guidance as in job placement. Can't you see some interviewee getting on and the elevator going "you don't want to work there."?
Where's my turbolift? (Score:2)
I'd love it if somebody came up with a way for multiple cars to be able to share the same set of shaft/tracks and pass each other at designated points (or switch shafts). Instead of having, say, six shafts for six cars you should be able to double the number of cars (at least) in a tall building, given that if a car is heading upwards from floor 18 there should be no reason why another car couldn't use the shaft below, say, floor 16. Obviously there'd have t
Re:Where's my turbolift? (Score:2)
Well, it's already been come up with, thanks to the railroads. But this type of configuration simply isn't cost effective.
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hopefully.... (Score:2)
From the Restaruant at the End of the Universe
"Not unnaturally, many elevators imbued with intelligence and precognition become terribly frustrated with the mindless business of going up and down, up and down, experimented briefly with the notion of going sideways, as sort of an existential protest, demanded participation in the d
Sounds like the Marriott in Times Square (Score:3, Interesting)
The best & the brightest don't code for elevat (Score:2)
Then we noticed that the elevator across from us, with its open doors, had the white up arrow lit and we could see in the shiny walls that ours didn't. We crossed the hallway, got in and pressed our floor. The door immediatly closed and away we went.
I grumbled and my
They had this back in 2001 (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Oh, it's you again. (Score:3, Interesting)
What I've always wanted to do.... (Score:2)
Of course, as a backdoor, you'd use two shaves and a haircut and get top priority.
Interesting Idea, but it would need some work (Score:2)
Anothe
Social Psychology (Score:5, Interesting)
Instead of messing with elevator, my prof used a bit of social psychology. He had mirrors installed next to the elevator on every floor. Apparently, the self-absorbed students and faculty looked at themselves in the mirrors while waiting for the elevator, and lost track of their waiting time. From what I remember, complaints about the slow elevators got reduced to about 1/2.
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He had mirrors installed next to the elevator on every floor.
I had an industrial organizational psychology course at university and our prof told us the same story. I was going to share it until I read yours. I somehow doubt we attended the same university much less had the same professor. Could this be a psych course urban legend?
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If he put the mirror on the floor, I bet no one would have complained about the elevator.
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Take the stairs... (Score:2)
not everyone is so impressed... (Score:3, Informative)
Big deal.... (Score:2)
This is not a new idea.
Estimates? (Score:2)
There are many times when I would take the stairs if I knew it would be much faster, especially at conventions.
I worked in a building with a system like this (Score:2)
in some cases you'll end up using the stairs, as i did frequently.
the problem with these elevators are basicaly the uneven distribution of people among the several floors. sometimes in the building i worked, the pannel would tell me to take a certain cabin an i was the only passenger to my floor at the moment, but the same cabin was also assigned to a floor with an auditorium in the exact time dozens of people were going to a presentation of a
Doesn't work (Score:2)
They had this system at Ameritech in Indianapolis many years ago (now SBC, now AT&T, but I digress...) which was being used for prototype testing (so Ameritech got a discount on their elevator service)
Instead of a touch panel they had number pad and LCD display but the functionality was the same.
Every morning there'd be a crowd of 20 people at Elevator A, 5 at Elevator B and 1 at Elevator C.
This led to users "hacking" the system by re
Say what? (Score:2)
How exactly does that work? Wouldn't it have been easier/more useful to start U.S. operations in the U.S.?
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It's a Happy Vertical People Transporter (Score:2)
It should be explained at this point that modern elevators are strange and complex entities. The ancient electric winch and maximum capacity eight person jobs bear as much relation to a Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Happy Vertical People Transporter as a packet of peanuts does to the entire West Wing of the Sirian State Mental Hospital. This is because they operate on the unlikely principle of defocused temporal perception, a curious system which enables the elevator to be on the ri
Annoying and unpredictable - how nice! (Score:2)
Well, look -- someone made one. Excellent. THIS will really play hell with the kids in hotels that push EVERY button a thousand times. Between them and the greedy, loud-cell-phone-talking, expensive-shoes-wearing yuppies pushing their button a thousand times to get priority, here's what I expect to see:
Been there, done that and it sucks (Score:2)
1. The system expects each passenger to enter their floor number once. It uses this to figure out the demand for the various floors. But what do people do when they're impatient for an elevator? That's right, they push the button again. And they did that with this new system too causing it to think that there were 200 people who wanted the 10th floor.
2. It may work for low volume elevators, but not at
Novell technology vs Elevators (Score:2)
I guess time will tell.
Re:Really... (Score:2)
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That's why they enter the floor they're going to before they get on the elevator with this system. There wouldn't be just a up/down button pair.
I could imagine looking up at the numbers above the elevator door and watch them go down to the floor where I am waiting 19, 18, 17, 16, 17, 18, 17, 16, 15 (my floor), 14, 13, 14, 13, 12, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 15 DING. That would piss me off way more than
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