Swedish Study Finds Cell Phone Cancer Risk 282
dtjohnson writes "A new Swedish
study has
found that heavy users of cell phones had a 240 percent increase in
brain tumors on the side of their head that the phone was used
on. The study defined 'heavy' use as more than 2,000 total hours,
or approximately one hour of use per workday for 10 years. An
earlier British
study was previously discussed
here that didn't find an increased risk, although that study
covered fewer subjects and only followed one type of brain tumor for a
shorter period of time. Or course, the biggest epidemiological
study of all is the one we are all participating in whenever we use our
cell phone. The results from that study won't be available for a
while."
News? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:News? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Read the Study (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Read the Study (Score:3, Interesting)
One thing I'd be curious about is because the study reported that people who use cell phone have a 240% greater chance of their tumor being located on the side of the brain that they hold their cells on, what percentage of right-handed people have malignant tumors on the left-side of their brains (left brian controls right body) and left-handers with malig
Assumptions (Score:5, Insightful)
"The way to get the risk down is to use hands-free," he told Reuters.
How does he know that? Did his study make that conclusion? The article doesn't say anything about use of hands free kits beyond that statement.
I think Mr Mild is making assumptions about the reason for the apparent 240% increase, and factors which he thinks may be important.
Re:Assumptions (Score:2)
Re:Assumptions (Score:3, Interesting)
TFA doesn't say that except with reference to a British study.
Using a hands-free set makes sure that the antenna is far away from your head.Some phones put so much RF into the hands free kit that radiation exposure is worse on hands free. It would be even worse if you leave the earpiece in between calls.
Re:Assumptions (Score:5, Insightful)
Riiight... If you can make the GHz RF radiation travel into the wire of your earpiece, then you should patent it quickly, because then you've managed to do something that no radio engineer deemed possible... There's something called matching impedance you might want to investigate.
Re:Assumptions (Score:2, Insightful)
While we are at it we can argue about how a few watts of photons with less energy than infrared can cause cancer while kilowatts from a nice comfy open fire do not.
Re:Assumptions (Score:2)
I call bullshit. If you can get a sunburn from a good fire (as I've done many times before while camping) then it CAN cause cancer. Eventually that much damage (plus fires do throw off UV radiation, not much but it's still there) will cause cancer.
Re:Assumptions (Score:2)
WTF are you burning ?
Re:Assumptions (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Assumptions (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Assumptions (Score:2)
The specific quote...
"Virtually all fires emit some radiation in the UVB band, while the Sun's radiation at this band is absorbed by the Earth's atmosphere."
Re:Assumptions (Score:5, Informative)
The penetration depth of EM waves is roughly of the size of wavelength. Hence, the infrared radiation from a fire doesn't even penetrate the human skin (the heat will eventually transmit deeper via molecular vibrations but that is a slower mechanicsm and we have evolved a biological warning system via pain sensation), while the RF radiation from the cell phones (or similarly the microwave ovens), which is several orders of magnitudes longer, penetrates and is absorbed by entire brain. Since the presence of RF emitter near brain is a very recent occurence on evolutionary time scales, we don't have a built in biological warning for the damage it does. The whole generation of current teenagers will be going senile in their thirties.
Re:Assumptions (Score:2)
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Re:Assumptions (Score:2)
Using a bluetooth headset to protect yourself from RF-induced cancer is a lot like obsessively cleaning with an old, dirty sponge to protect yourself from disease.
Re:Assumptions (Score:2)
All Balls, no Brains. (Score:3, Funny)
Now we need a study on testicular cancer. They are sensitive, you know. Handedness might not matter as much there, but it can make you blind.
Re:Assumptions (Score:2, Interesting)
And if I use SMS ?
suprised? (Score:2)
Re:suprised? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why? As has been repeated ad nauseam whenever this debate comes about, the frequencies used by cell phones are non-activating. If holding a tiny, low-power transmitter next to your head causes cancer, then people who work at TV and FM stations should be dropping like flies.
All we know at this point (assuming the study's methodolgy holds water) is that there is a correlation between cell phone use and brain tumors. It could mean that cell phones cause brain tumors, it could mean that people prone to brain tumors talk on the phone a lot.
And even if it is eventually shown that cell phones cause brain tumors, that still doesn't necessarily mean it is the radio transciever aspect of the phone that is the culprit. It very well may be exposure to toxic chemicals used in the displays or the batteries, for example, much the same way toxic pesticides used around electrical pylons had people thinking high-voltage lines caused cancer.
Re:suprised? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:suprised? (Score:2, Insightful)
That's how.
Re:suprised? (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, if it is unrelated, that would be easy to prove. What side of the brain are most tumors found? Or is it equal on both? What side of the head do most people hold the cell phone on? I know I use phones mainly with my right-hand/ear, so preferences do exist. If there is an unrelated propensity for right-brain tumors and right-hand cell usage, then the causa
Re:suprised? (Score:3, Interesting)
Except that they don't go nea the antenna (or they would be cooked), and thee is such a thing as the invese squae law.
Howeve, if the study coves 20 yeas, then it coves the time when cellphones put out a steady 4 watts. Now they can pehaps peak at that, but now they use adaptive power levels, the average power level while transmitting is generally below 100mW, and often below 4mW.However, the power from a domestic light bulb in that band
Re:suprised? (Score:3, Insightful)
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If the cell phone is 5cm from your head, and the tv transmitter is .5 clicks away, then to have an equal power at your head, the tv transmitter would need to be 100million times stronger or so. Maybe they are, I don't know. Course, the frequencies may have different interactions. And people with cell-phones regularly have them pressed against their noodle, whereas being as close as 500 meters to a tv tower is rare for m
Re:suprised? (Score:2)
From the parent:
Because the survey apparently took place near major metropolitan areas, it seems reasonable that the 4 mW figure is the ceiling worth looking at. 4 mW * 1E8 = 400,000 kW.
"whereas being as close as 500 meters to a tv tower is rare for most people
Not really (Score:5, Insightful)
Not really. The metering is lousy. The control group is corrupted. Heck, the technology is changing, so the signals are different. As a study, the world at large makes a lousy experiment for this.
Re:Not really (Score:3, Insightful)
dangerous use of statistics (Score:5, Insightful)
For example, to say something is associate with a 240% increase in risk can be technically accurate, but horribly misleading to most readers. If one in a billion people get a disease, a 240% increase makes your chance of getting it 2.4/1000000000. That is absolutely nothing to worry about.
Also, with this studay, they found out people who had tumors, then asked them if they used cell phones. The subjects probably had no doubt as to why this question was being asked, therefore this was not really a double blind experiment.
Has anyone ever been able to give a rat cancer by blasting it with amplified cellphone-type radiation? That would convince me of the possibility of cell phone risk much more than digging backward through statistical inormation does.
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:3, Funny)
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I think the problem there is with "most readers", not with an accurate statement of the risk increase. Furthermore, the absolute numbers are stated in the article, and knowing the population of Sweden, it's easy to compute the absolute risk.
Has anyone ever been able to give a rat cancer by blasting it with amplified cellphone-type radiation? That would convince me of
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:2)
The people who died in this way were unavailable to participate in the study.
Re:public health (Score:2, Insightful)
Air bags (Score:2)
So what, some people will say... we
Re:Air bags (Score:2)
Re:public health (Score:4, Insightful)
For example, should we introduce new regulations on cell phones that force cell companies to build twice as many towers which will statistically save ten lives over the next twenty years or use the same amount of money to introduce subsidized prostate and breast cancer screening programs that will statistically save a thousand lives per year?
Public health is all about the economics. You put your money where it will do the most good. Not that any of these studies are actually conclusive enough to justify anything.
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:2)
Thanks for demonstrating again how intuition is a dangerous guide in making conclusions; I suggest you work this out to see where your intuition went wrong.
If you wish to speak about
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:4, Insightful)
Not to mention I suspect the people who used cell phones extensively twenty years ago are probably a very special group... probably with all kinds of interesting common factors.
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:2)
There is going to be a huge selection bias in personality types that use cell phones heavily. For example, these people are probably overworked, stressed or just type-a people, in which case their immune system isn't running at quite the same level as non cell users (chronic stress causes hormonal reductions in the immune system as well as a whole range of other changes). This alone would account for increased cancer.
I wonder if these people also had increases o
No, dangerous confusion of research methods (Score:2, Interesting)
I will not argue that the CNet article represents this study very well, but if you are going to complain so casually about coverage of this study -- even calling it unethical -- it woul
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:2)
Mark Twain
Re:dangerous use of statistics (Score:2)
Actually, that would be 3.4 per billion.
Re:Actually, it's quite correct (Score:2)
You seem to think that this very very small risk is something to worry about. I think that, if you aren't already worried about kool-aid an
Re:Actually, it's quite correct (Score:2, Insightful)
You seem to think that this very small risk is something that can be overlooked. However, I could point a few million people who believe othe
How high is the absolute risk (Score:5, Insightful)
Nice guess, 1 in 10,000 about right. (Score:2)
1 in 10,000? but traffic accidents kill 1 in 6000 (Score:2)
So if cell phones double the rate of brain cancer, it is still about on par with the risk of death in car accidents.
I will feel vindicated one day (Score:3)
mibile phone health risks (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:mibile phone health risks (Score:2)
No, "the phone companies" are spread across both ends of the issue. The telcos without cell-phone interests would much rather show cell phones to be dangerous.
Neither fact should, in any way, lead anyone to jump to the opposite conclusion.
No. Correlation != Causation.
You c
link to the actual study (PDF) (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.arbetslivsinstitutet.se/pdf/060331Mild
Bad Methodology (Score:2)
That wipes out stress as a potential confound (under the reasonable assumption that people who were early adopters of cell phones were more often the type of people to have stressful jobs).
This is bad science, and that's usually the result of the fame motivation that comes with work in high profile areas. Projects like this generate front page news no matter what the result, hence they are extremely attrac
Re:Bad Methodology (Score:2)
The "outcome or effect" is brain cancer. People who have other kinds of cancer are a closer match than healthy controls.
The idea is that stress can decrease immune function and make people more prone to cancer (and a whole mess of other things). So assuming that early cell phone adopters tend to lead more stressful lifestyles, you'd expect to find increased ca
Re:link to the actual study (PDF) (Score:3, Insightful)
First off, in response to another poster in this thread, the choice of controls is correct. In case control
Re:link to the actual study (PDF) (Score:2)
Maybe, but if he's convinced that there's any grain of truth to his study, isn't making a lot of noise the moral thing to do? I think it's safe to say that every study, however weak, that reaches this conclusion and gets noticed is going to motivate further study in the area. It's a pretty vast problem globally speaking if he's right, even if it is only a 1 in 4,000 chance compared to a 1 in 1
no details, read the article instead (Score:2)
Fortunately, a kind Slashdot
Re:no details, read the article instead (Score:2, Funny)
Tagging comments (Score:2, Informative)
While off-topic from the article perspective, I think this comment has some merit given that at the time of this comment, the tags for this article include 'gay', 'straight', 'bi'.
I suspect the 'straight' is to offset the 'gay' tag which appeared on all April 1 articles, and overflowed into April 2 articles. The system, I don't believe, knows that 'straight' is opposite of 'gay'. It does however know that '!gay' is opposite of 'gay', and will (likely) drop the tag that p
Re:Tagging comments (Score:2)
Type of phone? (Score:2)
I don't know if someone knows these flashing stickers [greenpearle.com] indicating an incoming phonecall? I've tried some, and they only work -with the phones I tried- at the back of the phone. The front (where you hold it against your head) doesn't seem to be giving off a signal strong enough to make the stickers flash.
So I suspect there is a difference in what type of cellphone (external antenna, generation of cellphone, brand...) which increases or decreases the amount of radiation taken.
Non-sensical (Score:2)
They had people with cancer and they asked whether they were using/had been using a mobile phone. What a stupid question!. Pretty much everybody in Europe has a mobile phone since 2000: children (and I mean 7 y-o children!), adults and old people (>80 y-o). Mobile telephony has a penetration rate about 90% in Europe!
They may have asked if they were drinking *water* as well, and the conclusion of the study would have been exactly the same.
Methodology (Score:2)
Also they didn't survey mobile phone users who have not caught cancer, so they don't have a control. Part of the problem is that the cause of cancer is almost always unknown. They appear are not to be taking the unknowns into account.
Studying funded by? (Score:2)
It's important to realise that the British study claiming no cancer risk was funded by a consortium made up of mobile phone operators and cellphone manufacturers.
Studying=Study (Score:2)
"The way to get the risk down is to use hands-free," he told Reuters.
On another note, I'm sure some people will post the "what are we supposed to do stop using cellphones completely" strawman ... this suggestion FTA should counter that.
Cure for cancer in 10 years? (Score:2)
But just to be safe I'll wrap my phone in tinfoil, that should stop it right?
Flawed (Score:5, Insightful)
First off, despite multiple studies done that prove no correlation between brain tumours and mobile phones this claims to have found something. Now I guess other factors may have come in to those other studies some bias etc. However, this article details an initial study that also showed _no_ connection. It was only after they altered the questionaires and retested people that they found something. Whats more, they then did no further alteration to the questions and simply ran with the same test only on a bigger scale.
There may be a detailed explanation of why that occured but with currently released information weve no idea how many times they were willing to alter the questions to get the answers they wanted, and no explanation of which questions were altered or why. What adds to the suspicion is the fact that the only reason the first test was thrown out was 'short latency' and 'low numbers' of people. Neither of which affect the questionaire.
So what we have is a group of people who rely on getting a result for there funding. (No differently to the previous studies.) After they got no real results from a first test, altered it in a way that appeared to have no bearing on that initial test. They then found they got results... Doesnt really inspire any confidence in there impartial testing.
Secondly, something others have pointed out already, asking a bunch of people with tumours when they started using mobile phones and then roughly getting rid of other factors that could have caused them based on a questionaire... Not a great method of working this out.
Whatever you thought of the study seen on the BBC site it raised a very good point about something that would cause a bias. 'reporting from brain tumour sufferers who knew what side of the head their tumours were on.' etc. This test doesnt even begin to try clamp down on these kinds of bias. Even if this test was entirely fair, the results are far from dramatic. With excessive use it shows only a relatively small increase in cases. With a potential for people to be increasingly suspicious of there mobiles the more they use them this could easily be put down to false assumptions.
As far as im concerned this study is severly flawed. The other studies are also flawed, to a degree, but until someone actually has decent evidence that these things are causing damage then its not going to stop the millions of people who use them. I certainly wouldnt say mobile phones are safe but there is still little to no evidence suggesting they harm us. (and arguably more evidence to suggest that they dont.) The presure is definately on those who have to prove a link.
in other news (Score:2)
Lotsa ways this could be all wrong: (Score:2)
fascinating! Now, tell me again how.... (Score:2)
Overcharges (Score:2)
It's a fucking fishing trip. (Score:2)
So instead of taking an honest sample of the population and waiting five, ten, or fifteen years to see who developed brain tumors, they skipped straight to the conclusion they wanted.
"A total 85 of these 905 cases were so-called high users of mobile phones, that is they began early to use mobile
Feed Your Head (Score:3, Funny)
Toothy Grin (Score:2)
But what about Bluetooth? People wear headsets inserted into their skulls, along a canal closer to the brain, against a transparent auditory nerve hole. All day long. It's a different frequency, and different power level than cellphones. There isn't 10 years of data yet. But why should we wait?
Swedes already know the damage Bluetooth can cause in the name of bringing everyone together. Let's see the of [utk.edu]
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Re:but it can't be (Score:2, Funny)
Re:but it can't be (Score:5, Insightful)
Sarcasm makes a poor argument, try reason and fact (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, I'm a physicists and I resemble your comment.
You could do better. You might have something if you point to the known link between cancer and chronic irritation and then prove cellphones irritate nerve tissue. There should also be a rise in auditory canal and skin cancer of the ear at that rate, not to mention head and neck cancers. Hell, you might even score some points if you cited the 85 heavy cell phone users of 905 brain case numbers and told us, which the article fails to explain, how that's 2
Re:Sarcasm makes a poor argument, try reason and f (Score:2)
Perhaps the cell phones are attractive to brain tumor cell
Re:but it can't be (Score:2)
1) I'm all in favor of such studies in principle. "Biological/Health effects of X" type studies are important and there certainly can be murky, unexpected biophysical relationships that should be investigated.
2) A correlation is not a cause. I want to know a PHYSICAL MECHANISM by which cell phones can cause brain tumors, not just a correlation statistic. The classic back-of-the-envelo
Re:but it can't be (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Heh. Stupid study. (Score:2)
An increase from 1 person getting cancer to 2.4 people getting cancer is pretty serious. If the risk is linear, maybe 20% of your customers are doubling their chance of getting cancer with
Re:Heh. Stupid study. (Score:2, Insightful)
Link to the former-pdf, now HTML-ized Google cache of the study from the original site, in both Swedish and English: Here. [72.14.203.104]
Even a cursory look at the linked study will show that there have been many, many studies on the effects of RF on animals with conflicting, confusing, and uncertain results. Unfortunately, I'm not a scientist specializing in this fi
Re:Heh. Stupid study. (Score:2)
I don't, and I don't think most people do.
Re:Heh. Stupid study. (Score:2)
Re:Heh. Stupid study. (Score:2)
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I use my cell on both sides of my head.
I don't, I always use the same side. Always. (I just find it "harder" somehow to "listen" in the other ear, even though that ear actually hears a bit better.)
Re:Heh. Stupid study. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Heh. Stupid study. (Score:2)
2. ???
3. Now all your customers are addicted to cellphone radiation.
4. Profit!
Re:Um. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Um. (Score:2)
Re:Studies like this are always a problem (Score:2, Insightful)
Isn't that a bit like saying
The American study is automatically suspect. I don't think the country that gave us Intelligent Design can be trusted with anything scientific. Ever.
I'm not even going to touch the German/Human Rights issue. Europe doesn't have its own PATRIOT act or Guantanamo yet, you know.
Re:Risk related to handset power? (Score:2)
at least with GSM the transmit power largely depends on how far you are from the tower. So in a major city the transmit power from your cell will (on average) be far lower than in some backwater town/village (unless it happens to be the town/village that has the local cell tower).
Afaict the populated areas of japan are populated extremely densely so i would imagine the cell coverage to be correspondingly dense.
Re:It is new times (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:a sobering confirmation... (Score:2)
My sobering moment came when I was working in my first tech job. There I was coding away, then the boss comes down for a chat. It was the first time we'd met as he'd been out for three weeks. He chatted for a bit about the old days and the systems he'd made that were probably still running somewhere out there. He said a bit about the madness of the bubble, this was just after the crash.
After a bit, he pointed to a small scar at the side of his head. I hadn't though