U.S. Warns of Possible Cyber Biz Attack 179
mikesd81 writes "The AP has an article about a possible attack against the New York Stock Exchange via the internet by a radical muslim group. The notice was issued to the U.S. cybersecurity industry after officials saw a posting on a 'Jihadist Web site' calling for an attack on U.S. Internet-based stock market and banking sites in December, said Homeland Security Department spokesman Russ Knocke. Knocke has said: 'There is no information corroborating the threat and that the alert was issued as a routine matter and out of an abundance of caution.' There is no immediate threat to our homeland at this time. The attacks were to be conducted in December, 'until the infidel new year,' the site said, according to a U.S. government translation. It called for attackers to use viruses that can penetrate Internet sites and destroy data stored there. Spokespeople for the New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq declined to comment on the cyber-terror threat."
blame the muslims (Score:2, Insightful)
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Well if some of the radical muslim websites did indeed post information saying they wanted to carry out attacks like these then I think it is reasonable to keep an eye out for it. It is not like it is completely unfounded.
If a KKK website posted threats that they were going to group up in say Jackson, Mississippi and lynch some darkies this december would you think it would be stupid to beef up police forces and keep a close watch on what is going on for a while?
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Advertising attacks? (Score:4, Interesting)
Sheesh, and the media just have to take it up. They even contradict themselves in the same paragraph!
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Besides don't you think there could be a certain amount of l33t points (or some kind of jihad alternative) for saying your going to do an attack and them still being un-able to stop you... I'm assuming this
Re:Advertising attacks? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Basically, I agree. But maybe they do want to do it aswell.
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Congratulations. You have been successfully terrorized.
Have a nice day.
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YHLTTW, YHL, HAND. (Score:2)
Re:Advertising attacks? (Score:4, Insightful)
Bullshit. The world is not black and white and neither are your options.
Got punched in the face? Analyze the situation, figure out why you got punched in the face and take a-p-r-o-p-r-i-a-t-e action to reduce the chance of it happening again to an acceptable level. Maybe that means killing the guy punching you. Maybe it means using a different swing on the playground. Maybe it just means kicking the guy in the nads. Maybe it means calling your older brother over to intimidate the guy.
Whatever the case, your simplistic analogy has no place in the real world.
Make your choice, stick by it, and shut the hell up.
Yeah, because changing your mind in response to new information is just not macho. Grow up pequito.
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Thank you for providing sanity to the completely insane idea that the real world is black and white or binary. Most people recognize the real world as analog with limitless options. Every time someone uses the world liberal or conservative to describe a group of people I almost immediately stop listening as this categorization is completely pointless since most "neo-conservatives" are actually incredibly liberal with their spending while "liberals" are calling for oversight in all the spending. Everything i
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Any dumbshit can fight. Cowards like you are afraid to uphold the values of our constitution no matter what the price. The phrase "Freedom isn't free" does not mean you give up freedom in the face of adversity, it means sometimes people will abuse that freedom to hurt you - that's the real price of freedom.
You fuckers cut and run on being American at the
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Then get the fuck out of America. Tribalism is as anti-American as communism.
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Just remember you are the fucking grunt who is cowering in fear over a posting on a website that our own government has said that it has "no information corroborating the threat." You gutless, anti-american traitor.
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Could you be more of a dumbfuck? The whole of point of the quran is that the literal original text has been preserved perfectly, word for word. You lead off with that kind of bullshit and expect to have any sort of cred
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You know, you go on and on about what you think you know about me.
You don't know shit.
You think I voted for Clinton. You think I haven't served in the military. You think you know more about muslims than I do. You think you are more widely read than I am. You think that because I don't support genocide, that I am an ignorant 'lib.'
All false, as is just about every other assumption you've made in this thread.
I shot down your ignorant justif
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Funny, I seem to recall a decade or so ago Clinton wanted to go after Al Qaeda and related folks but it was the Republicans who were whining that he was doing it to shunt attention away from the Lewinsky fiasco.
It was the Republicans who blocked every effort to go after the folks who were attacking us and even went so far as to criticize every attack that was launched against Al Qaeda as being self-serving.
Funny ho
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Actually, the object of terrorism as spelled out by its ideologues is to provoke increasingly outrageous responses from your enemy, undermining their credibility and political support from their citizens and the community of nations. It appears to be working very well in many parts of the world.
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But why? To bring about change. In the end terrorists don't care if the citizens of the US lose support in their government. They want the support lost so the government changes its involvement in their territory. They want us to stop controlling their economy, altering their culture, and undermining their governments.
Re:Advertising attacks? (Score:5, Funny)
If they were really serious they'd submit an article about taking down the stock exchange, and include a link to the stock exchanges webserver to have it Slashdotted...
It looks to me like mikesd81 is trying to take down excite.com. (why do you hate our freedom?)
Not a chance (Score:4, Insightful)
If these "hackers" really had a chance to impact the exchanges, it means they've found a vulnerability that the exchanges don't know about. Any smart (but malicious) hacker wouldn't tip their hand to such a find, they'd wait until D-day to launch their attack. Obviously the security folks at the exchanges should take the threat seriously and evaluate their systems for holes, but it would be bordering on the ridiculous for the rest of us to be worried.
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What makes you think they have "sophomoric computer skills"?
The fact that they haven't done it yet. (Score:2)
And instead of creating a zombie army to spew spam, they'd just change a few random numbers in any spreadsheet that was accessible.
There, instant financial problems for most of corporate America. And the damage could take years to uncover.
With a little bit of thought, the virus/trojan/worm would spread quietly. It shouldn't be that difficult if your aim is NOT to
Indicates nothing. (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you're leaving out a major psychological motivator: the terrorists in large par
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Every Slashdotter knows, the only computers they have are Commodore 64's buried in the back yard.
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This is just like when people fly into a tizzy because some nobody halfway around the world says he'd like to establish a global caliphate and subject Europe and America to shariah (Muslim law). Whoopdi
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I think this quote from Sneakers [imdb.com] sums it up nicely:
Cosmo: Posit: People think a bank might be financially shaky.
Martin Bishop: Consequence: People start to withdraw their money.
Cosmo: Result: Pretty soon it is financially shaky.
Martin Bishop: Conclusion: You can make banks fail.
Cosmo: Bzzt. I've already done that. Maybe you've heard about a few? Think bigger.
Martin Bishop: Stock market?
Cosmo: Yes.
Martin Bishop: Curr
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The title of TFA is "U.S. Warns of Possible Cyber Biz Attack" but the article is full of back tracking and spin. There will come a point when they issue so many warning that people tune out and the valid warnings will lose value, I recall a fable about a boy and wolf. 9/11 didn't happen because someone didn't act on a couple m
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Infidel New Year? (Score:4, Funny)
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Sounds like Ming the Merciless. (Score:2)
Does "Infidel New Year" strike anyone else as a possible bad translation? It doesn't seem like something a person from a non-Western culture would be likely to say among themselves.
Up next, nano-virus threat to create mutants! (Score:5, Insightful)
What happens when the same joker posts a call for nano-viruses to be released into our water supply to create a generation of flesh eating mutants from our own children?!?
Seriously, you deal with terrorism by NOT being afraid.
You do NOT deal with it by hyping every single fantasy that they can post.
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But you don't get re-elected by ignoring the threat. You get re-elected by trumpeting the threats loudly and then touting the lack of successful attacks. Fortunately, this last set of elections proved that fear-mongering by itself isn't enough; or that it can last only so long.
Re:Up next, nano-virus threat to create mutants! (Score:5, Insightful)
Heh! Not really. This last election was all about fear mongering. The dems gained seats in the legislature entirely by talking about how people should be afraid of the other party being in control. They certainly didn't win seats by actually spelling out contstructive, real-world things they'd actually, successfully do that would actually be helpful in any way. In fact, just yesterday they made it clear they were already going to break one of their loudest campaign promises (to implement all of the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission). Fear is exactly what it's all about, but they just played it differently ("the republicans want to starve your baby!" "the republicans want to make sure your social security money is wasted on dot-com investments!" "the republicans like to see our soldiers die!" "the republicans work for scary corporations that want to hurt you!"). Say you don't know exactly what I mean.
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The dems gained seats in the legislature entirely by talking about how people should be afraid of the other party being in control.
LOL! You really must be drinking a LOT of the republican kool-aid. The Republicans lost because they've not done anything about the Iraq war, and people are tired of it. They also lost because they've increased spending by a LOT. Combine that with all the scandals hitting the Republican party, and it's pretty obvious that they've dug their own grave. The Democrats are reall
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You're missing the point! They didn't win by offering anything constructive, they won by saying "they suck, and we're not them!"
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You're missing the point! They didn't win by offering anything constructive, they won by saying "they suck, and we're not them!"
I think it's you that's missed the point. Pointing out all the ways the Republican party has screwed up isn't fear mongering. The way your post reads it's as if the Democrats are a bunch of liars and the Republicans haven't done anything wrong. The truth is if the Republicans hadn't screwed up, and people were generally happy with the direction the country was going there's noth
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Heh, the Dems do a lot of FUD. It wasn't that effective in the last election, but I saw
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I'm doubting he meant it like that, unless he just happened to know Macaca was a dismissive epithet used by francophone colonials in Central Africa's Belgian Congo for the native population.
Actually his mother was of French descent. According to wikipedia:
So it's entirely possible, even likely he knew it was a
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I don't think you are being 100% honest in saying the Democrats didn't present anything they planned to do. Pelosi had a rather prominent and pub
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Which doesn't quote any named Democratic sources at all. And, in reporting on statements that unnamed Congressional aides gave, says only that they are not going to implement them in the first 100 hours. Which is obviously a contradiction of the promise made by Pelosi, but a far cry from rejecting them outright. In any case the main thrust of the original post was that the Democrats did not hav
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My point exactly, actually. And the problem is that the dems were not (again, my point) offering anything constructive about which to talk. The notion of increasing minimum wage is a red herring. Specifically, it's framed in terms of making sure that it goes up, but also making sure that small businesses aren't "hurt" by having to
The Reality of Fear vs. Fear of Reality (Score:2, Insightful)
This last election was all about fear mongering. The dems gained seats in the legislature entirely by talking about how people should be afraid of the other party being in control.
Hmmm... this may be the case, BUT, the reality of the situation is that the GOP was selling "fake fear", and the dems were arguably pointing out the reality of the GOP's shortcomings and that the results of these shortcomings in governing are instigating REAL things to be scared about. I really feel like the GOP was really playing the "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" card as the country has gone down the tubes (at least in its position on the world stage as being a bastion of personal free
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In legal terms, that's Conspiracy, and it justifies a police raid, arrests, a trial, and--if convincing evidence of Conspiracy is presented--a criminal conviction. We recognize a right to Free Assembly. We also recognize that abuse of that right is not itself always a right, but sometimes a crime.
Five guys send letters to each other, planning a bank robbery via the post office. Again, Conspiracy. We recognize a right to Free Speech. But we also rec
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Ignore the internet for a moment. If we have some reason to think that a bunch of people who communicate with each other by other means are in the middle of plotting something heinous, we look into it. Wiretaps, moles, that sort of thing. It's a lot harder, now, with disposable phones and other such technologies, which is why that's been, and needs to conti
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That's all I ask.
(And when I say "Slashdot often seems..." I mean specifically "you right now seem...".)
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Bullshit you lying fuck.
The people were rightly afraid of the other party due to their criminal treasonous actions.
So please pull your lying head out of your ass and shut the fuck up if you can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie so idiotic that a child could see through it.
The republicans got voted out because they made far and away the most corrupt Congress
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So, rather than constructively pointing out how they'd get Iran to sto
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No, there is a very large difference.
For an example of fear based campaigs, just look at all the recent Republica races.
"Oh no, the evil Demoncrats will ban your bibles if they're elected".
That was one of their actual tactics.
Now, that's clearly completely divorced from reality and designed
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Do you really find that to be different, qualitatively, from "OMG! The republicans want people like Michael J. Fox and your grandmother to die!"
a network of *death camps*
Just out of curiosity, would you consider all prisons to be "death camps?" Prisoners die all the time (just like non-prisoners do). So, when someone from Syria is caught helpding to build IEDs in Afghanistan - with the purpose of blowing up supply and security per
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Eh? What are you drinking? Around these parts folks were simply fed up with *whoever* the incumbent was and voted accordingly. Or the folks who believe that a divided, get-nothing-done gov't is probably the best out of all bad choices.
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I guess you weren't seeing the same ads we were here in the DC metro area! The ads this time around were totally unprecedented, as far as I'm concerned. From both parties.
Re:Up next, nano-virus threat to create mutants! (Score:5, Funny)
I buy the movie rights!
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Remember the short-lived slashdot meme '... in Japan'?
There seems to exist a disturbing real-life parallel: '... by Muslim terrorists'.
Any threat automagically gains newsworthy status if this phrase is tacked onto it.
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Is making the public aware the same as fear? I don't think so. Fear among the public would likely be worse if they didn't know and it happened.
You do NOT deal with it by hyping every single fantasy that they can post.
The more they make threats they don't follow through on, the more they look weak, the more they look weak, the less recruits they will get. Or didn't you read that whole NIE that was released?
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The public would propably never even notice if stock exchange was knocked out for a few hours.
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Yes. Absolutely. The only way to beat terrorists is to live a normal life. If the NYSE or banks are vulnerable to attack right now without having to add extra defenses and protections, then we must all ask them exactly why our money is not safe already. It's not just terrorists out there, it's mafia botnets and mischievous teenagers and all manner of other black hats. I think we all need a very clear answer as to why any financial institution needs to
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Ok, what would you do? You've been accused plenty of not "putting together the pieces" of a looming threat. Arabs taking flying lessons? Nah, that's benign, etc. Then something ghastly happens and it's your fault for not shouting to the rooftops that there's a risk of people crashing airplanes into buildings, etc.
What if there was a bot-net-powered DoS attack on a couple of popular exchange-related sites/services? No big deal in the real scheme of things, bu
Yawn (Score:3, Interesting)
ok, so if serious breakin attempts go up 10%, and there's a small number of successful breakins every month, that's *punchpunchpunchding* a very small number of additional successful breakins.
The bottom line - your bank's web site may be a little slower to respond, and you may get a little more spam-email "from your bank" this month. Otherwise, business as usual.
Happy shopping everyone.
Re:Yawn (Score:4, Interesting)
Fortunately
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From what the article describes, it seems they're bent on destroying data... and as everyone knows, all major financial institutions keep all (one and only one copy of) their most critical data on one web-server connected directly to the internet with a publically accessible website. Get access to that box, and the whole economy is in ruins.
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Interesting.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Save for the one slashdot finds and posts..
Not gonna happen (Score:5, Interesting)
The best these groups could do are take down the websites of discount brokerages (E*Trade, Ameritrade, etc.), but that won't have one bit of impact on the financial markets. Even if those websites go down, the brokerages will still have their direct connections to the exchanges, so if you can call your broker, you'll still get your trade through.
I wish them the best of luck, because their attack is an exercise in futility.
We're all so smart (Score:2, Insightful)
Let's stop underestimating the Enemy and thinking the DHS is just a bunch of foolish baboons, OK? Maybe they know something we don't, eh?
This group would definitely need somebody working on the inside to do any real damage.
This seems neither unlikely nor improbable given Al Qu'e'da's facination with Wall Street and the amount of time since the attack on the World Trade Center.
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What do you or he know that the DHS doesn't? You should call them. As he said, they probably have an inside man.
The London train bombings and the transatlantic bombing plot were both perpetrated by educated individuals, some of them with engineering degrees. We're not talking about a lunatic in a sandy cave running his Dell via camel dung incinerators.
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What? You're replying to a comment that got no mod-points. 'Nonsense', indeed.
If they were successful with their claims, it would be completely incapable of hurting anyone. They're talking about websites being threatened, not that the internal infrastructure of the firm would be penetrated by someone who would upload a virus that could debilitate the entire financial holdings of the firm.
That doesn't matter. If the NASDAQ an
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Also, you said that if the websites went down then the market could not respond to a rally. That is wholly false. Are you trying to say that before we had the internet the stock market never responded to a rally? I think that's a silly conclusion.
No, not at all - I'll put it as plainly as possible. If the NASDAQ a
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Yeah, no kidding. I put in a Buy for the market open after the 9/11 attacks.
Everybody else in America apparently had Sell in. As a group, they're frightful an irrational, unfortunately. Probably as
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People watch the DOW go up and down and get in a panic when it abruptly drops 100 points. But I remember when the DOW breaking 1000 was a BIG DEAL, yet now it's over 10,000. Taken in perspective, a drop of 100 points now was only ten points in the old sub-1000 DOW, and back then nothing under 100 points (te
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Even their sources say there is no credible threat, but the mainstream media sensationalizes it anyway. And the average joe FOX/Oprah/MTV viewer gets another dose of anxiety-inducing semiotics.
That is why "warnings" like this have their desired effect. FUD.
about time for another one (Score:4, Informative)
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"Hey, Osama, it's for you. Some guy, says his name is Emmanuel Goldstein, says you're stealing his routine."
FEAR Fear fear (Score:2)
Not all systems on the internet (Score:3, Informative)
Between the variety of systems and the layers of security between each it's very unlikely that a virus could bring down the stock exchanges. Or your bank. It's far more likely that their web sites and corporate desktops would go down. The "money" in the wires is far safer.
Best part is (Score:2, Funny)
Rob wrote (Score:2)
The worst thing they cold do (Score:3, Funny)
The cost to the US could be crippling! Think what would happen if these emails ceased!
Like I said, this is the *worst* thing they could do.
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One Whole Post (Score:3, Funny)
Coming up next - Homeland Security issues alert after cousin's roommate's girlfriend heard from friend that man with turban was spotted in New York.
Bomb threats beg for publicity (Score:2)
That's Funny (Score:4, Informative)
Homeland? (Score:3, Funny)
It makes me feel all warm and paranoid inside.
Dumb question..... (Score:2)
I'm just asking...
Our site is down (Score:2)
*why* they need us! (Score:2)
It's about the stupidity, stupid (Score:2, Insightful)
Isn't this the equivalent of a pathetic "release the hounds," only there are no hounds, and the "
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While I realize you are trying to make a point, your ignorance keeps you from doing so. Ever hear of John Doe #2 at OKC? The guy they never caught? Funny how he looks like Jose Padilla [greatdreams.com]. Even if he isn't Padilla, he was described as middle eastern looking by multiple witnesses even if Jose himself wasn't middle eastern.
not to mention the ira,
The guys that used to call in their bomb threats so they wouldn't kill any innocents? lol.
As for why
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Because various U.S. government agencies got wind of an impending attack in August of 2001. However they had no real evidence to support it besides some "intelligence chatter". The rest is history. People are covering their asses this time.
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Mod parent up! (Score:2)
Something really stinks about this warning. They are going out of their way to publish it everywhere, bu