YouTube's Content Identification Failure Raises Eyebrows 109
MSNBC is carrying a story looking at YouTube's failure to follow through with a promised 'content identification system' by the end of the year. The article goes on to discuss the possible impact this failure will have on the site's (so far) good relations with television, music, and movie studios. From the article: "If the delay lasts for more than a week or two into the new year, suggesting more than just a slight technical hitch, 'this is certainly going to be a serious issue', [Mike McGuire, a digital media analyst at Gartner] added. Leading music companies have already made clear they see completion of YouTube's anti-piracy technology as an important step in any closer co-operation. Failure to build adequate systems to protect copyright owners could also add to the risk of legal action against the site."
Google and Youtube aren't that dumb (Score:5, Insightful)
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Let's wait for some time and we will know. Any lawsuit - they haven't. Simple.
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But this is
Easiest code EVAR (Score:5, Funny)
if (content) {
return "This Youtube content has been identified as: Bad";
}
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Re:Easiest code EVAR (Score:4, Funny)
10 YouTube exec: So what clips exactly do you want us to remove?
20 MPAA: well all those which we don't want you to publish.
30 YouTube exec: Ok, which clips exactly do you object to.
40 MPAA: all those we don't want you to publish.
50 GOTO 10
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MD5 is for exact digital authentication and a completely different thing.
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Rich
Relax (Score:5, Funny)
This should improve content dramatically (Score:5, Funny)
If I were google I would be worried (Score:5, Interesting)
Instead of Perfect 10 having to search and list the illegal boobies on display, google will have to automatically remove them from view
Won't somebody think of the boobies
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Someone did. Ta-da: PronoTube [pornotube.com] (in case it's not obvious, this link is SUPER NSFW)
MSNBC (Score:1)
MSN Soapbox (Private Beta) (Score:2)
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Lawyers Shouldn't Set Tech Deadlines (Score:5, Insightful)
But you know what? It just ain't ready because it was a fools errand to begin with. My guess is they are working off of half-assed specs that weren't even ready before Thanksgiving. Maybe in a few more months they can have something good. But media partners getting pissy about it isn't going to help the code mature any faster.
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Is it possible? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I suspect quite the opposite: They want *any* content that they don't get paid for taken down. They don't care if it's their content (and they're not getting paid) or someone else's content (and they're not getting paid). So the maximum false-positive rate is exactly what they want...
They only exist as long as they are the content owners: the second that content stops getting signed over to them they get relegated to nothingness.
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With text it should be pretty easy and there are products on the market which will search the web to see if part of a paper was copied from a web-based source so that professors can ensure that the paper properly cited their sources
Music (I would imagine) would be somewhat easy to determine if a file was a copyrighted song as long as you had the original source; a quick method I ca
No, it's not possible. (Score:2, Insightful)
To take away your fair use they would have to fingerprint both the audio and video content. That's possible for whole works at a given frame size, rate and audio quality. Already, you can see the problem because there's an almost unlimited choice of those. Couple that problem to every length variation and you have an impossible task for any single work. The database of fingerprints would be infinitely large. You can m
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While I'm not entirely optimistic about the existence of a fingerprint function that matches what the media companies want (although that is partially the fact that they do not really know what they want to the requisite mathematical precision, or, put another way, what they want is easy money and whatever magical tech is required for that to happen), the problem isn't as hard as you make it out to be, either, ev
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This reply is much more reasonable, and much closer to the truth. One of the missing pieces of your first post is the problem of making attacker-resistant fingerprints. Fingerprinting is actually not so hard when you haven't got people actively trying to hurt the fingerprint and you can acce
Only Possible in Vista. (Score:3, Funny)
The easiest thing to do is simply make the fingerprints cover more stuff ("fuzzing" the fingerprint is a pretty good mental model), which definitely increases the false-positive rate on audio.
I would have thought the easiest thing to do would be to take the Vista approach: all video will be reduced to a 2x2 pixel screen size. Content will easy to identify that way, because it will all look the same.
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You seem to be assuming that the only "fingerprint" algorithm that exists is something like MD5.
You have something better? MD5 is the easiest computationally and produces the smallest result to store, using other techniques will increase the size of your database and computational expense. They could do FFT on single frame images, but you would need one for each scene of interest. The result could be made independent of size but not encoding quality. It would also be large and could create hundreds o
Re:No, it's not possible. (Score:4, Informative)
There's no way they could use MD5. MD5 hashes are designed to return the same value given the same input, and a totally different value for even a slight modification of the input. Or in other words, md5("ABCD") is nothing at all like md5("ABCE"). Given the nature of audio and video, it would be trivial to bypass an MD5 copyright check. Change a single pixel in a single frame from RGB(255,255,255) to RGB(255,255,254) and nobody would notice, and it'd get through the check.
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Did you actually watch Triumph of Will? I think you pull you accusation from an other source like Wikipedia. The graphical elements that are common to both films are military formations and I don't think that Riefenstahl had much to say on the way the SAs were to line up. Triumph of Will shows a bunch of guys getting ready for the speech (which include washing and shaving beside their tents and preparing foo
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Homo? (Score:2)
Star Wars is not nearly as homoerotic as Triumph of the Will.
How do you get "homoerotic" out of a film made by a woman? The thing is a long nightmare of twisted sentiment, logic and fanaticism, brilliantly captured, with one awful end - 25% of the people you see will die violently and no two bricks will be left standing a few short years after filming. The sexual aspects of boys playing escaped me. To each, their own.
Re:Is it possible? (Score:4, Insightful)
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There's just one problem I see. Where is a site with no revenue stream going to get money to pay the humans?
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Depending on the service, they may have a web-based POST mechanism which returns an XML result, which can accept either raw PCM/WAV or sometimes other fo
Yes, it's possible (Score:1)
Why should we help the content providers? (Score:1, Redundant)
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Better yet, patent it and send all royalties to the EFF. The "industry" can only use it at "their own expense" - in more ways than one :)
-b.
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Not sure I understand the problem (Score:2)
The content producers who are going to license their content will ultimately do so without any sort of detection scheme, and the
Internet Video Sites (Score:1)
DMCA (Score:2, Interesting)
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the best way is to take it as snail mail since it's too easy to lose messages into a spam filter if you use email.
Re:It's all Utube Has (Score:4, Insightful)
Youtubs is a threat - I don't think it's a threat because people use copyrighted material in this manner, it's a threat because it moves the entertainment decision-making process from the few that used to have nearly complete control, to the end user. It's another paradigm shift that will be fought tooth and nail by the old guard.
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How about
"A Song by Michael Münzing and Luca Anzilotti from 1987 made with a Commodore Amiga 500"
16 Bit - Changing Minds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FrF-JiGeuA [youtube.com]
Yeah, plug that DRAM expansion pack in baby! It cant get much groovier than this.
Enforce That ! (Score:3, Insightful)
Given that the media and entertainment industry has made such a miserable job of enforcing copyright since the emergence high speed internet, perhaps their efforts would be better spent figuring out ways to capitalise on the presence of sites such as youtube and myspace.
If businesses such as Red Hat can make a living from open-source software, surely there's a more refined way for said media businesses to realise capital from their assets without being so 'grabby'!
Enforcing copy-protection (Score:2)
The fact is that the ??AA would just love to have youtube create a system that could effectively single out copyrighted works, because it would save them the trouble
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The thing is, they already are (in theory at least). The RIAA and MPAA need to understand that everything on YouTube that is copyrighted, is really just an advertisement for the full copyrighted work. YouTube has placed a lenght limit in order to prevent the entire two hours of a movie from being posted. So any movie on there is bits a pieces. Same with TV shows. Sure, lots of people split the 30 min. shows into three ten minut
This is a web2 problem that needs a web2 solution (Score:2)
Solution (Score:2, Interesting)
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All it should take (I tihnk) is some one to create a nice little program that detects file type and manualy inserts a white pixel into a corner of every frame. IF that is not enough just randomly change the colour of the pixel, or insert any other sort of noise that we (as humans) would not percieve, but would destroy a checksum.
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In some ways, watermarking video should be even easier. You could potentially watermark
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Solving the problem should be possible, but theres a lot of licensing issues to deal with. You need to try to match pictures from the original to every single frame to look for similarities, and then you need to match the sound from those frames, find a good threshold and mark offending videos for manual revi
Something I noticed with Google Video (Score:5, Informative)
About 12 hours later, it cleared. Fairly certain it was flagged and reviewed. If that's the compromise, I think I could deal with that.
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Why have any censorship at all? Anyway, don't you think that people looking to watch movies for free would rather download off of P2P. I don't see something that uses Flash in a browser window to play video as a large potential infringement problem.
-b.
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But if what I experienced was infact flagged content, it was quite reasonable. I wasn't trying to provide a high fidelity copy of somone else's music, I wasn't trying to capitilize on it, the music was simply to show function. In my mind, a fare and reasonable use (what the law would say OTOH)
I'm just saying, if that were the way it wa
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That doesn't happen to be what you are working on, does it? I was gonna tackle one of these as a project this year, but I'd r
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Just set it up to run the slideshow as a screensaver and run your music app in the background.
Business Opportunity? (Score:1)
Why does the *AA always move to the default assumption that internet distribution of content == EVIL?
I would argue that Youtube and other services like it are very similar if not the same as a television channel. Instead of trying to police Youtube for copyright infringement, why not collaborate on a similar business model as television? The video service would pay for some type of broadcast fee presumably via advertising revenue just like television. For videos that are more popular the advertising sp
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If the RIAA licenses content, they have to share the income with the artists. If they sue, they keep the proceeds for themselves.
I don't get it (Score:2)
Maybe it's the other way around, the media industry needs to start living up to the expectations of the technology industry.
I don't understand why the content providers don't just embed their content with banner advertising overlays and distribute it online themselves. I guess these guys are so stuck in 20th century television mode they just don't get
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It could be based on a percentage of gross profits but with a preset minimum. Heck, this money could be used to fund the space program and help emerging artists.
What incentive is there for YouTube? (Score:2)
Huh? I assume by copyright "owners" they mean copyright "holders". I don't think there's ever been any claim that any holder has ever been put at risk by YouTube. It's possible that copyrights might be infringed via YouTube, but that hardly amounts to a risk to the holder of that copyright.
Why should YouTube waste the CPU cycles in a futile attempt to seek out copyrighted material
Impossible Mission (Score:2)
In the end, t
Good luck, Google... (Score:2)
Mission Impossible (Score:1)
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Killing the goose that laid the golden egg (Score:1)
Is anyone surprised? (Score:1)
Responsibility (Score:1)
Any person should already know it's illegal to post copy write material in this way. Even if you didn't know already I'm also sure YouTube's TOS covers this and you ha