Scoble Bites The Hand That Fed Him 178
An anonymous reader writes "The Times Online points out a post that Robert Scoble, former Microsoft blogger, put up on his site recently. In essence, Scoble has moved 180 degrees from his former blogging tone, saying that 'Microsoft Sucks'. More specifically, he is highly critical of Microsoft's online policy. In Scoble's words: 'Microsoft's Internet execution sucks (on whole). Its search sucks. Its advertising sucks (look at that last post again). If that's in it to win then I don't get it. ... Microsoft isn't going away. Don't get me wrong. They have record profits, record sales, all that. But on the Internet? Come on. This isn't winning. Microsoft: stop the talk. Ship a better search, a better advertising system than Google, a better hosting service than Amazon, a better cross-platform Web development ecosystem than Adobe, and get some services out there that are innovative (where's the video RSS reader? Blog search? Something like Yahoo's Pipes? A real blog service? A way to look up people?) That's how you win.'"
It's a trap! (Score:5, Insightful)
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2. MS upgrades from "failing stragegy" to "doomed stragey II".
3. Ex-blogger says "doomed stragey II" has "put Google on notice".
4. Profit!!!
I'm not sure if it's completely obvious, after all - step three is normally expressed as "???".
Re:It's a trap! (Score:4, Funny)
Besides, is anybody gonna trust one guy whose name begins with "SCO" anymore?
Dunno about trap (Score:5, Insightful)
It's funny how a lot of people previously were taking it as the truth, _whole_ truth, and nothing but the truth, just because he's such a hip blogger. I even remember getting modded down and getting some annoyed responses before, when I pointed out that it was his paid job to show the good parts only. "Noo, it must be all spontaneous and 100% the complete uncensored, unbiased picture, because he says so! He's so hip and irreverent that he even bravely told Ballmer to write a memo that's good for PR! He said that MS lets him write whatever he wants, good or bad, so if he doesn't show anything bad, surely nothing bad exists at MS." Not an exact quote, because I'm too lazy to search for the thread right now, but that was the general gist of it.
Now it turns out that when his paycheck no longer depends on MS, he suddenly discovers some bad things about MS too. Who would have imagined that?
So let me just say again, to everoyne: Look folks, do exercise some healthy skepticism when a conflict of interest is _that_ blatant. When people's paychecks depend on the King (or CEO, or whatever) liking what they write, there's rarely even a need to put an explicit "thou shalt present me as the Messiah" clause in their contract. Either they figure it out on their own (like this guy seems to), or natural selection takes care of it.
You can see that from ancient times to the present day. From the Pharaoh's scribes in the Old Kingdom to Pravda (or Faux News) journalists in the 20'th century to paid corporate PR/astroturfing/whatever, the same theme is there: the Pharaoh/Emperor/King/Beloved President/CEO/whatever is nothing short of perfect, and the enemy/competition/etc are a bunch of vampires or sloped-forehead orcs. And that those who didn't figure out that that's what's expected from them, found themselves "restructured" out. (Though, depending on the time and place, that could mean more fun HR personnel management methods, like beaheading, feeding someone to the crocodiles, or putting them at the top of a sharp stake. How's that for upwards mobility in the organization?;)
And that when you're interviewed by the CEO's/president's/etc personal pet PR guy, you put on your best smiling face and proclaim yourself happier than a dog in a cat show. When the guys from Pravda came to Ivan Ivanovich's door, what do you think Ivan said? "Oh, I'm so unhappy under the communist party's rule"? Heh. Most of those interviews weren't scripted either, just everyone knew that it's not like it would even make it to print if they don't say what's expected of them. So what makes anyone think that when Ballmer's personal blogger entered someone's office anything fundamentally different happened?
Briefly, take your infos from less biased sources.
Re:Dunno about trap (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Dunno about trap (Score:5, Insightful)
If something goes wrong, I don't want it spun to the nth degree to make it look like a good thing or to cover a CEO's back so they can be sure of their bonus. I want it to say what happened and what they're doing to fix it.
While we're at it, most CEO's bonus's are based around them being able to lie and mislead as much as possible - they're petrified of admitting to any sort of failure or error. That is a crazy situation. They should earn it for doing a good job, not their ability to hide a bad one.
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Also, as a pessimist, you end up with compani
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The enemies of ancient egypt were orcs and vampire (Score:2)
The enemies of ancient egypt were orcs and vampires? There you have it gentlemen, the proof that education through games is a bad idea.
What? Wrong story? Oh.
Well, okay, so what you take half a page to say is, "follow the money". Okay got it.
But what you really should say is this. Be doubtfull of a person who disagrees with you but be suspicious as hell when a person agrees with you.
In that light, "just what is your game bud, who is paying you eh!"
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You're new to slashdot then?
Re:Dunno about trap (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree, just one comment to add (Score:5, Insightful)
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I am sure there are some who feel this way. But there are things that Microsoft does that are just plain laughable. Have you EVER used msn.com? I can do a google search and go to the best result in the time it takes to load msn.com. When I do use msn (in a give-em-one-more-chance mood) it sucks.
Also, Microsoft's web presence is quite horrid. You cannot find ANYTHING on their website, and its dirt slow. I remmeber one time I wanted to downloa
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You just have to know how to use the tool : http://www.google.com/search?q=download+media+pla
See ? first answer right there
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MSN doesn't do search anymore, it's all Live.
Not true. You can use Google. Most people in my department (not Live Search) do. It's /discouraged/ (and understandably so), but I walk around and I see people using Firefox, I see people using Gmail, Yahoo mail... and managers not caring (or doing the same), not "not allowed".
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What exactly is Live? I have been seeing that everywhere. Some kind of indexing service? I know I could read about it, but in a nutshell, what is it?
Not sure which dept you work in, but I have to say if you have anything to do with Office (just upgraded to 2003 at work, and it is fantastic, esp Outlook), or Visual Studio or SQL Server tools, you gu
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Live is "Windows Web Services" - Hotmail, Maps, Messenger, Search. Search is your garden variety search engine. It's a lot tidier than MS's search offering used to be, at least, but still much younger than other engines.
Me, I work in one of the more "innocuous" areas (though some would have you believe there's no such thing)... I'm a PM in the MSN.com dev team.
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How about we just read what he has to say and then decide for ourselves whether his claims hold any water? Would that work too?
Had to...and it's actually relevant... (Score:2, Insightful)
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As I've said many times here and elsewhere:
ANYBODY who works for Microsoft who is authorized to talk to the public is a LIAR. (Except the guy last week who said OneCare shouldn't have been released - I'm sure he's unemployed today.)
So Scoble isn't with Microsoft any more. Fine, now he can tell the truth - maybe. There are plenty of shills here at
The important point was that when he WAS with Microsoft - he was a LIAR.
By definition.
Microsoft does no
And Ballmer's response? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Are you implying something? (Score:3, Funny)
Are you implying somehow that Windows isn't broken?
Thanks, I'll be here all week.
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[Accept] or [Cancel]?
MS Profits on Ignorance (Score:4, Insightful)
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I think for now that's not an issue. Until I can put Ubuntu on my laptop and have it automagically support my wifi card and the proper screen resolution for my screen I won't be recommending it to the lay. The average user should not have to bother with config files. This being said, I don't recommend Windows either, for now Mac OS X is the best operating system for average use. Though I personally love it, I can see why some pe
Re:MS Profits on Ignorance (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, I would argue the average consumer is intimidated by any software regardless of who makes it. Secondly, they most likely really don't know how to use Windows/Office as enough to get by to what they specifically want to do (surf, email, write printed letters).
The only reason most consumers use what software they use is because either:
A.) It came with the computer
B.) It was on the shelf at Best Buy/Stapes/Target/Walmart.
C.) Their relative/friend gave them a "copy"
Seeing that Windows and MS Office apply to all 3 rather easily it is a no brainier to why it is successful. It isn't that people are too familiar with MS products so much that they are unwilling to move on, but rather there is really no need.
Of these three reasons... Only C provides the opportunity for Linux and Open Office if they happen to have a relative/friend who is in the "know".
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Colombia...
World's drug capital - and world's Microsoft software adoption capital.
Hmmm...
Best said from the outside (Score:3, Interesting)
Its the kind of thing people promise themselves and their co-workers they are going to say after they leave. Its good for the people still there, and its good in the long term for any stock you own in your previous employer.
Yes, he is bad mouthing them, but its not like he is posting their private bug database on bittorrent. And Microsoft might be better for it.
I don't think they can (Score:5, Insightful)
The web's been around a few years now. While they were late in recognising it, Microsoft have been taking the Internet seriously since before Google left Stanford University.
IMO, if Microsoft were able to develop "better search than Google.... better hosting than Amazon..." - they'd have done so long ago. As it stands, they can't even implement searching in their own OS (certainly not in XP - even with the Search addon, it's trivially easy to dig out something which returns zero results when it patently shouldn't) - and they've got far more control over that than Google has over the Internet.
Fact is, Microsoft's business plan has never been "build a better OS/office suite/mousetrap". It's been "build one that's good enough and market it as being better". But such marketing doesn't work so well in the Internet age because it's much easier to find out how much truth there is behind it, and AFAICT Microsoft still haven't worked that one out.
Re:I don't think they can (Score:5, Interesting)
Have they? I havn't seen much fabled "innovation" coming from Microsoft on the internet. They only take it seriously where it could threaten their traditional revenue streams, not because they have any interesting or innovative ideas that could make the internet a better place. The internet threatened to be an open network that anyone could play on, Microsoft tried to get people to use MSN instead. Netscape threatened to make the web, a killer application, platform-neutral: Microsoft made sure they killed it with Internet Explorer and ActiveX. Standard compliant email servers threatened to make email platform neutral; Microsoft push Exchange and Outlook with gratuitous incompatibilities and a lack of open standards. When Google were just a search engine Microsoft let them be; when Google started to become an on-line application provider, Microsoft suddenly begin to roll out technology to counter the threat to their Office and Windows revenue. Let's not forget the whole early ".NET will revolutionise the entire internet once we work out what it is!" marketing circus that amounted to nothing.
Microsoft talk big, deliver little and focus all their energy on crushing any threat to their income streams.
Re:I don't think they can (Score:5, Insightful)
What was their problem was 'getting it'. They added 'Internet' but didn't understand what or why so most of it was of no real use to anyone. The fact that they seriously thought they could puish MSN as a better and quite seperate Internet shows how wide of reality they were. I remember trying it out when it first went live - tons of unique content, online magazines, software etc but all quite seperate to the rest of the world. Sort of AOL without access to the Internet. Quite crazy.
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Which partially, if not totally, explains their godawful security track record. "Security" isn't something you can download or bolt-on.
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For some reason I have yet to fathom, Microsoft as an organisation seem pathologically incapable of bringing innovative products to market. But this applies to every aspect of their business, not just the Internet. That doesn't mean they don't take the Internet seriously. They clearly take the Internet seriously. I
Re:I don't think they can (Score:5, Interesting)
Cross-platform tools are always created by Microsoft's competitors, not Microsoft. Java is cross-platform,
Scoble suggesting Microsoft do something 'cross-platform' is a sign of ignorance, I would say.
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True. I was talking about historically.
I'm not sure Microsoft are still capable of changing direction quickly. Certainly there's been no evidence of it for some years. Without that ability, I think they'll do what IBM did - start looking more and more likely to render themselves obsolete until sooner or later a new person comes in at the top, makes major changes and reinvents the company. (Actually, I'm rather lookin
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As it stands, they can't even implement searching in their own OS (certainly not in XP - even with the Search addon, it's trivially easy to dig out something which returns zero results when it patently shouldn't)
There are a few reasons for this:
Their XP search tool (and the search tool add-on), rely heavily on the Indexing Service to be run before the search tool is used (and continuously thereafter).
Another reason is that (in particular) the case with system files and other files deemed "important" by MS, they were attributed with an extra "Secret" flag, that the search tools and indexing service were programmed to skip over/ignore. The same thing happens when you use the Find function in the Registry editor, cer
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I know one anecdote isn't data, but please don't imagine I haven't taken account of that. I have.
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In other words, as I've been saying, Microsoft does not sell software - they sell LIES.
Absolutely correct.
Hah! (Score:2, Funny)
In there to 'win'? (Score:3, Interesting)
On Internet you need 2 things to be successful, and Idea and money for development/marketing. They definitely have the money, all they need is NEW ideas to use their money on.
That's never been their plan (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you really think they will spend all that money and effort to produce better products than google/yahoo/etc ?
No, they will leverage their desktop monopoly to push their search. Their search engine may be crap, just like IE is crap, but when 95% of desktop computers sold comes with their search engine as the default, very few people will ever bother looking for anything better.
Aside from that, how will they find something better when the search engine they use is designed to lock customers in?
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I was waiting for this quote, I knew someone would say it. And what I want to say is this: that might have worked in the past w
About time (Score:2)
MS was a late comer to the internet and little has changed since they came around. In some ways, you'd think MS has simply been waiting for the internet to peak and go away, so they could get back to having the full attention of users when kool-aid time comes around. Scoble's rant is just more evidence that their business model spanks of a rigidity that mimics the tobacco and music industries (resisting change) where respect for the cl
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Maybe he has a new employer.
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It's only recently that the music industry resisted change. For decades, from sheet music to records to cds, from adults to teenyboppers and back, from live to records to radio to tv, they did just fine. It's only in the Age of the Internet that they've completely shut down.
And the tobacco industry has been one of the most flexible when it comes to maintaining their revenue stream. They're even doing
You should write for Cobert (Score:4, Funny)
I'm not sure what that means, but I like it anyway. That's right up there with Cobert's "flaccid with anger". Can't wait to be in the middle of a really important high-level meeting and announce some part of the plan "spanks of rigidity."
They'll still be wondering what it means on the plane home. Adding that to my quote tiddler. ---->
All you need to know is (Score:5, Insightful)
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Pro-MS (Score:2)
Ship more useless web apps! (Score:2)
Yeah! More useless web apps! That'll show 'em!
criticism != biting (Score:3, Insightful)
MS should focus on core (Score:4, Interesting)
Drop all these other side projects like the search engine, the news site, the OS..
Go back to making great mice, keyboards and joysticks.
They used to be the best, and now that they are sidetracked with all these other projects they are losing focus, and it's starting to show.
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That's like saying Lucas should direct more movies like The Empire Strikes Back.
(go look it up on IMDB)
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Yeah, and Slashdot needs to focus on its core competency too, which is being CmdrTaco's blog.
Drop all these other side projects like news, comments, and job listings.
Go back to ma
Train Wreck (Score:2, Informative)
And Vista/Visual Studio 2005 is pretty much a train wreck for C developers. We used to be able to rely on the development environment. In fact, that area was always a significant innovation for these guys. No more. Fire Steve Embalmer before it is too late.
And the evidence just keeps rolling in:
http://www.microsoftweblog.com/2005/11/05/problems -with-visual-studio-2005/ [microsoftweblog.com]
Hah (Score:3, Insightful)
They still do.
Rikes! (Score:2)
Not Gates vs Ballmer, but Silverburg vs Allchin (Score:2)
Allchin convinced upwards that Microsoft needed to keep the jewels propriatary, and he won. Silverburg left, and you can trace Microsof
About time (Score:4, Funny)
Cancel or Allow
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I think I will let the mod system sort out what it thinks is funny or not.
So far It is funny, says so right at the top there.
You realize you are recursively guilty of the same offense.
Crisis, hunger, and denial (Score:5, Insightful)
John Kennedy once said:
Microsoft is in crisis, but they are not willing to acknowledge it. It seems to me that they would rather spin everything so that no one notices it. The last time they had a crisis (being late to the Internet and world wide web) they responded admirably.
But that was a different world. These days their monopolistic practices have been exposed. Competitors are not afraid of them. Microsoft is defending too many fronts, many of which they created (Xbox, Windows CE/Mobile, etc.)
More importantly, Microsoft isn't as lean and hungry as they used to be. They are living off the the wealth of Office and Windows income. However in other areas, they have not produced. Windows and Office are their crutches but if those products start to fail, MS has nothing to fall back upon anymore. As with the release of Vista, it is apparent that they have lost focus of their core products. With Office, Microsoft's problem is that older versions of Office are good enough.
A decade ago, Apple faced a similar situation. Except Apple didn't have reserves MS has today. That forced them to get lean. Whole product lines were cut while the company refocused. They scraped their old OS and developed a new one. Some credit Jobs with getting the company's comeback as he was the driving force behind it. Right now, there is no one at MS that seems is doing that. If the recent relevations from Allchin are true, his managers (Ballmer, Gates) are not focused.
Who cares? (Score:2)
Can we just ignore him until he does something of value?
Nah; how you really win is ... (Score:2)
Nah; what you do is sit back and wait for the "smart guys" to develop something new that people seem to want. Then you invest minimal resources in making shoddy ripoff, so that you have resources left over to agressively market your product to the majority of people who ca
Remember this the next time someone says... (Score:2)
I sure hope they don't win, because... (Score:2)
Or better yet...don't win at everything! (Score:2)
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No doubt it was Microsoft who sponsored this particular piece of research [bbc.co.uk].
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I don't think those monkeys did nearly as bad as the article suggests. As the article notes:
The hypothesis is that a million monkeys typing randomly for a million years will eventually produce a work of Shakespeare. After one month with six monkeys, they produced no less than a first draft of "Snakes on a Plane."
Further research is cl
Re:Who does microsoft execs listen to? (Score:5, Interesting)
Monkeys on typewriters?
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And I'm sure they didn't spend their time watching people struggle to install Dr.Dos.
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Yeah - they use them to measure how many people use Windows.
That's about it, as far as I can tell, based on Windows usability.
Anybody who complains about Linux usability has never used Windows. I had to learn BOTH of these systems in the last six years and there isn't a penny's worth of difference between them as far as usability. From the limited Mac experience I've had, Macs are only slightly better.
Learning how to use something is NOT "intuitive" and never was. I can't o
Re:Who does microsoft execs listen to? (Score:5, Interesting)
I have heard some read Slashdot. If they do, I can toss out a suggestion.. Don't sell the boxed version at an order of magnitude more than the OEM version. My older hardware has been getting upgrades to Linux because the upgrade cycle does not make sense for the software. A $650 PC should not need a Multi-Hundred dollar copy of XP Pro and $400 copy of Office.
After being given a Power Point presentation to show for a guest speaker, the Office 2000 on the Windows 2000 laptop presented the text a page at a time instead of a bullet at a time. Instead of spending lots of money for a software upgrade, I tried the same presentation on the same laptop running Ubuntu with Open Office. It worked like a charm. If MS Office was a $40 upgrade, I may have considered it. Due to the many versions, Professional, Small Office, Standard, & Home and Student, I figured a full upgrade was too expensive when an alternative works fine.
Wake up and smell the coffee. You have new neighbors and they are setting up shop in your back yard. Monopoly pricing and high priced retail versions are on their way to a dead end.
Just for the record, 3 of my older PC's now have Ubuntu. I only get a new version of a MS OS on new hardware. There is no reason to spend big bucks on a software upgrade.
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Microsoft fanboys and employees ARE "monkeys on typewriters". (A few of the posters on Scoble's site have basically told him so.)
Bill Gates is not a man to ask for opinions anyway. When he wants your opinion, he'll GIVE it to you.
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Reminds me of the recent line:
A computer without a Microsoft OS is like a dog without bricks tied to its head.
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Even for the dominant player, it does not make sense to try and compete with everyone. And many large corporations in other areas don't (do you see Daimler-Chrysler making extremely cheap cars? or Boeing maki
Re:Aw poor Scoble (Score:5, Informative)
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Seriously, MS still envies google in that area. For all the hot air Ballmer spews about googles' "cute" apps, and how their hire rate is "insane".... MS has lost this round of the search match, they're not able to compete. Look at the emphasis they've put on it. Why pay people to use windows live if you don't care? Microsoft is becoming the one thing that Bill Gates hoped he'd never see.... a lumbering behemoth not dissimilar to the old IBM. They are having diffif
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The shareholders AREN'T happy.
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http://www.live.com/?searchonly=true&mkt=en-US [live.com]
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Actually I just read an article where Ballmer says that SHAREPOINT is actually the killer app that they intend to use to retain control over their customers.
It's apparently considered to be more important than Vista at Microsoft. Apparently Microsoft intends to end-run the problem of open document formats by locking their customers into their content MANAGEMENT software. So it doesn't matter if the document format is open if you can't GET AT those documents without going through a Bill Gateskeeper (sorry, c
Re:No one can describe it (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft seem king of the pick a lame name and promote it strategy. I think they'd have been better sticking with the established MSN and improving it beyond recognition.
Re:No one can describe it (Score:5, Interesting)
Just look at their email. I have windows vista on another partition (for specialized programs that don't run on linux), well, it comes with Windows Mail. They changed their MSN/Hotmail service and you can download your mails on your desktop, great! So it's simple right, just use their new mail product to connect to the hotmail server... well NO! See their new Mail program is not 'Live' branded, so you need to download another Windows Mail, namely Windows Live Mail Desktop to use your hotmail on your desktop. And that new program logs in _before_ you can see your programs. How many mail apps do I need? And why do I have to sign in on MSN to read my other mail accounts?
And once you have installed Windows Live Mail Desktop, well it sets itself as the default program for reading your mails through windows live messenger. Worse part, it doesn't even work well with windows live messenger, since you usually have to delete mails in order for the number of mail notifications to be updated correctly!
All this money invested in locking customers into their live branded parts, such a waste! Instead of pouring money in 2 different programs, pour twice as much money in 1 and just set hotmail to work with pop/imap. Right now Microsoft has 3 completely independent email clients, 3! And none have actually been developed together, how stupid is this?
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I LIKE that one!
"and consumers are learning to eat more healthily."
That I'm not so sure of - yet anyway. If it does happen, it will probably only be because people get tired of paying seven bucks for a Big Mac when they can get an Arby's roast beef sandwich for the same price (i.e., buy a REAL Mac). Or better yet, get a Caesar salad for nothing (Linux) and start losing weight.
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Back in the day (early '80's), I used to look at Microsoft language offerings like their early COBOL compiler. I used to think that Gates would lie awake nights listing all the things in the COBOL standard that WOULDN'T be supported - and anything left was what the compiler turned out to be. Compared to products like Ryan-Mcfarland and others, the Microsoft language product
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Old news. How many times did they rename and rebrand their object broker technology - about five times, maybe?
Microsoft is run by marketing idiots - other than the one greedy bastard at the top. It's that simple.
Sure, you can find a bunch of (supposedly) "smart" programmers somewhere in the bowels of the organization. Somebody has to write the code - no matter how crappy, unreliable, and insecure the whole thing ends up being, most of the individual parts are probably more or less well-written as proprietar
Re:Its too late (Score:5, Funny)
Re:There is not bad PR...? (Score:4, Interesting)
That's an interesting thing about Microsoft and Google, though, isn't it? After years of Microsoft-vs-Linux and occasional Microsoft-vs-Apple a lot of the geek tribal mindshare now seems to have shifted across to cheering for Google.
I consider myself a Linux fanboi in general, but the more time passes the more I find myself losing interest in OS wars and caring more about applications. Quite frequently I boot my desktop machine into Windows XP and spend the day mostly running Firefox, emacs and Cygwin because it's easier that way than trying to run the occasional Windows-only app on Debian (via Wine or whatever).
So if it's all about applications now it becomes clearer why Google are so popular. Search, mail, maps, documents... a lot of their stuff seems well designed and easy to use. Oh, plus it's cleverly funded so I don't pay anything. Compare with MS Office which is expensive, bloated and often hard to use.
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