Gartner Touts Web 2.0, Scoffs At Web 3.0 187
An anonymous reader writes to mention that even though Web 2.0 is just now starting to gain widespread acceptance, there are those who are already trying to hijack the term Web 3.0. According to Gartner, there are quite a few new technologies and incremental modifications to existing Web 2.0 technology, but nothing that could equal the level of fundamental change exhibited by the shift to Web 2.0.
Shif? (Score:2, Funny)
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Or maybe everything old is new again, and it's merely shorthand for the Web.
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Also, MAN, I'm glad the "BETA!" fad has faded. I could not quite for the life of me how the marketing loonies turned a phrase that means "Not quite ready for mass use yet" into a selling point.
Me: Uh, this car is missing a steering wheel?
Salesman: It's Beta!
Me: I'LL BUY IT. GROOVY ORANGE PAINT JOB TOO!
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Wrong Increment (Score:5, Funny)
Web NT follows 3.0
Web ME will be a more family and consumer friendly web.
Web XP will be the new Experienced Web.
I felt a disturbance in the web, as if a thousand geeks cried, "Don't give them any ideas, you f*&$king moron!
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Advice: move to an off-grid shack in Montana before anyone has an opportunity to create Goatse Experienced.
Oh. Er. Nevermind, I didn't say anything.
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I will wait for Web 127.0.0.1 until I upgrade. All this Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 gets you nowhere.
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However, luckily there will be a process in place to revert any Web Vista sites back to Web XP.
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Web 3.0 = ?Not working at all?
Does web 4.0 actually remove information from your brain?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: If I can't get to the information I'm looking for it doesn't matter how pretty it is.
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Too much information in the brain regularly does not pose a difficult problem to most of the populace. Thus
"Web 4.0 will be focused on slimming down the fat of Web 3.0. Much like moving from pure HTML design mark-up to CSS, we will all be trying to separate our fat from body. This will be done with LSS (Liposuction Style Sheets), which will suck our fat out of our ass and dress us in the latest trendy clothings. At this period in time, the s
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Been to any Web 2.0 sites lately? I don't think we need to wait for Web 4....
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I call dibs on the greatly improved Web 5.0!
Already obsolete (Score:2)
Web 4.0 (Score:2)
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So I bet the future will be (breath held).... AJAX 2.0 !!!!!!!
(Not kidding, I do think of JavaScript 2.0...)
Web 2.0? 3.0? (Score:5, Funny)
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Web vs. the Werewolf
Day of the living Web
Bride of the Web (wait, I think I've seen that one)
Not to worry (Score:3, Funny)
Well pity on them, because little to they know that the version numbers for the internet do not increment by one, they double. So the next version will be 4.0.
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And next week... (Score:5, Insightful)
Useless whores.
The meaning of life? (Score:2, Funny)
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Sorry, but Google Maps is one of the very few places where "Web 2.0" actually gives me something that wouldn't have been doable in "Web 1.0". Most places just use it as "look it moves"-type eye-candy.
Wake me when people are using "Web 2.0" to make their sites more useable, instead of just more shiney. Those that do are still a tiny minority. Until then, shut up about higher version numbers. Bugfix the old one first.
Re:hype (Score:5, Insightful)
The second aspect is more social: where Web 1.0 focused more on a one-way "I write this page, then you read it" exchange, Web 2.0 encourages multi-way communication, and users contributing content. While this idea isn't exactly new, it's something that's really caught fire recently, and if you actually read the article you'll notice that they're talking about wikis and social networks, which aren't Web 2.0 in an Ajax sense so much as Web 2.0 in a social sense.
So yeah, you can wake up and go look at Wikipedia now.
Re:hype (Score:5, Insightful)
Social websites aren't any news, either. It's just that they're suddenly popular and everywhere. Sure MySpace is new, but there were sites much like it 10 years ago. Ok, maybe 8. Actually, thinking about it, I dimly remember a "social website" like thing back from my BBS days.
So what is "Web 2.0" if not Ajax etc.? Is it a phase, a trend? iTunes is something that's at least as new, if not more so, than MySpace, but it's not counted in the "Web 2.0" thing, is it? Why not? What about Amazon? The reader reviews are often very useful. Other community product review sites have been around at least since the CEO of my dot-com company started one about 6 years ago.
So, really, when you look at it, what is "Web 2.0", except hype?
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But really, there's SO
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Where is "Web 2.0" where there wasn't one before?
Someone gave an existing phenomenon a name? New names for things are good for marketing. I should know; I'm in marketing, to the extent that my soul can take the abuse.
So what is "Web 2.0" if not Ajax etc.? Is it a phase, a trend?
A lot of the hallmarks of Web 2.0 that people list off are really just inevitable consequences of the maturing of the internet. These are things like AJAX and social networking. I don't think those really count as new things since, as you pointed out, they've been around for a while. I see Web 2.0 as being more things like Google Earth,
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Which is exactly why calling it Web 2.0 is a stupid idea.
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-nB
Re:hype (Score:4, Insightful)
The ONLY thing new about Web 2.0 is the AJAXy aspect. Someone overreacted on that one, came up with Web 2.0 and then all the other stuff was added, by people who apparently aren't familiar with history, to justify such an inane term. Or maybe it's because somebody want's to justify another web bubble.
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"Web 2.0" (stupid term) concentrates ownership of the web into the hands of larger organisations.
Any monkey can build a Web 1.0 site. All it takes is a keyboard and text editor (or WYSInotWYG html editor). Host it somewhere, and if the host turns evil (or the site gets popular and needs more resources), pick it up and move it somewhere else. If Joe Ave
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That reminds me of this public noticeboard thing down at the laundromat. What's it called again? Oh yeah, a bulletin board. I predict that Web 3.0 will be known as the 'Bulletin Board System'.
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He's a bullshit artist. He describes his company that publishes books as a technology transfer company, "changing the world by spreading the knowledge of innovators." according to wikipedia.
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Actually, while "replying to you" I think I sorta digressed into a general comment.
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I remember when my P3 450 used to render pages in less than a second! Wait, it still does on static pages, and gmail and Google Maps and the BBC and a few other decent sites.
William Hill and Slashdot 2.00 , I'm looking at you first. Well, at least I can get plain-Jane HTML here - for the moment.
Web 2.0 ? (Score:5, Insightful)
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O RLY? You can only buy the powdered form where I live.
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You, sir, can turn in your pothead AND housekeeper cards right now.
So much for "News for maids... cleaning stuff that splatters".
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I seem to remember the liquid, I don't think I ever bought the powder.
Also there was Jif or Cif or Vim or whatever it is called now, that was a cleaning fluid, thick and quite good at its job, stopped buying it when I couldn't tell it apart from its rivals (never rename a perfectly good product it doesn't work as well (Ethereal vs Wireshark?). Now I just use whatever Tesco has that looks like its a clea
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"AJAX" was invented during a marketing meeting to refer to a set of technologies that some sales rep was trying sell, at least as I have heard it
One of the key AJAX distinctions is that, like REST, there is nothing to sell; it uses ordinary web tools. Whatever the source, it wasn't anyone trying to market a product. A book, maybe.
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It's like .NET, widget, AJAX, and Silverlight...
You aren't supposed to know. That's what makes it so cool! GETIT?!
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Re:Web 2.0 ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Loosely translated it means "vacuous buzzword that vendors slap on products, along with a fresh coat of paint, so they can sell the same old same old for more money; except in the case of vendors with new products, who slap 'web 2.0' on their products in an effort to be 'buzzword compliant;' or in the case of book, article and blog writers, it's a term they use to make themselves sound more sophisticated and 'in the know' than they really are."
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Anyone even know what Web 2.0 means?
Loosely translated it means "vacuous buzzword that vendors slap on products, along with a fresh coat of paint, so they can sell the same old same old for more money; except in the case of vendors with new products, who slap 'web 2.0' on their products in an effort to be 'buzzword compliant;' or in the case of book, article and blog writers, it's a term they use to make themselves sound more sophisticated and 'in the know' than they really are."
You really had to spoil the fun for everybody didn't you ? I'm not inviting you at my product release party !
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Re:Web 2.0 ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Except now we have the XMLHttpRequest object, and no longer need to resort to things like modal dialog windows, hidden frames and web bugs to achieve these effects.
That pretty much sums it up.
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What it means I am sorry to say is a white page with pastel colors containing links to others content. Thow comments of which 99% are just useless and or flamebait and you have Web 2.0.
Or as I like to call it Digg.
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It's a truck loaded with a series of tubes.
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The name given to the social and technical sophistication and maturity that mark the-- Oh, screw it. Money! Money money money! Money! The money's back! Ha ha! Money!
Re:Web 2.0 ? (Score:5, Insightful)
When the shift goes from "I make a web page and put it on my server" to "I give you my creation and you put it on your site.", that sounds more like a step away from democratically created content and a step towards centralized big media.
You want democracy online, you're looking at something more along the lines of
1) Everyone with a computer has a server on it that they are not obligated to pay commercial prices for.
2) Everyone with an internet connection has a static IP address and at least one fully qualified domain name.
3) Internet service providers are not permitted to enforce terms of use that preclude hosting.
Everything that is happening with the Web these days is taking us further away from this, not closer towards it.
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Heck, there isn't even a web 2.0.
blogosphere? (Score:5, Funny)
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A Return To Fundamentals (Score:2, Funny)
HTML 3 & 4! CSS? AJAX? RAILS? What is this nonsense? No no, I will take my tables with a hint of information > pretty colors, healthy servings of pure .txt FAQ's within inline Frames, non threatening bullet list navigations in side frames! Max resolutions of 800x600!
GIF over PNG's Guestbook & counters over spamming comment parades
I am General Nitro, Son of Berners-Lee! Join me now and I will advocate for the early release of Mitnik! Web 2.0 will bow down before our glorious empire, and
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Screw this (Score:2)
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Offline apps (Score:3, Insightful)
It's now perfectly possible* to build a database driven app that is 'installed' over the internet and will run _totally_ off line. You can run a background thread to do data syncing for you.
This is a really neat deployment method for a lot of apps - OS independent! - that don't warrant a full install process. You could build a web store that was available all the time for example, and grabbed current prices when on line and remembered your (selected off line) shopping list when you had a connection available again.
Obviously this would be of no use if we lived in a perfect world where connection was continuous, but out here where 3G doesn't work in tunnels and free public wifi is getting more, rather than less, rare, well designed off line capable web apps are a serious potential move forwards in usability and well worthy of a web x.? increment.
*Actually, it's been possible for a while but someone made a neat package to help you do it.
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I'm just say
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Actually, what I'd really like to see would be a return to true Web 1.0 roots--you know, device independence, things like that. To be honest, the iPhone's method of shrinking web pages is just a not-so-elegant workaround. It's nice sometimes, but I'd prefer it if the iPhone just reflowed plain pages like this [gutenberg.org] to 320 pixels wide (without a viewport specified) like my Axim does.* (I say this as a happy iPhone o
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Poor HTML... look what they've done to you.
Web 2.0... (Score:3, Insightful)
Gartner? Ugh (Score:2, Informative)
Obligatory Dilbert (Score:2)
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Web 2.0 hrmph! (Score:5, Informative)
Web 2.0 is just another meaningless marketing term to describe a bunch of seemingly wonderful javascript, blog and wiki, pages, invented by redundant, marketing imbeciles, in order to hoodwink incompetent
Anybody who declares their page as Web 3.0, (or even Web 2.0, for that matter), should have their page DRDoSd off of the internet. >:(
Especially as these so called Web 2.0 pages are simply over-bloated, badly-designed, poorly-laid-out, standards-incompliant, overrated, over-hyped, excessively-resource-intensive, specimens of electronic refuse, often totally devoid of useful content, and consisting of enough images and poorly written code to electrically power a small town.
Note how people who run frugal and efficient blogs, ajax pages, etc. NEVER refer to their page as Web 2.0, they are too wise to demean themselves so.
For the sake of the internet, web designers, please don't either copy these "sites", or pay art drop-outs to design your website, as doing so, will lead to the spread of this miasmic "Web 2.0", clogging up our screens and the networks with redundant and meaningless trifle.
Web 3.0? There hasn't been a real web 2.0 yet. (Score:2)
Web 2.0 will come when the very foundations of the web, HTML/XHTML, CSS, and Javascript, are shaken from the foundation (which, at least with CSS, is a long time coming IMO).
There we go with web 2.0 crap again. (Score:3, Insightful)
"the level of fundamental change exhibited by the shift to Web 2.0" - and WHAT are those for god's sakes ? placing streaming video in web pages ? just what ?
just what is 'web 2.0' for frigging christ's sake anyway ?
I just don't get it. (Score:2)
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every site must be a wiki (Score:2)
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Web 3.0 is the semantic web (Score:2)
The Semantic Web should bring a big paradigm shift : the idea that every information should be labeled with meta-data and also the understanding that this can't be done by the average webmaster but that some sort of automation has to be done. This automation is of course the greatest challenge. The on
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Ok I'm nominating you for the Most Pedantic category of the Slashies!