China's President Hu Talks IT Warfare 170
narramissic writes "In his keynote speech at the Communist Party Congress in October China's president Hu Jintao was specific in his references to one area of IT: defense. 'We must build strong armed forces through science and technology. To attain the strategic objective of building computerized armed forces and winning IT-based warfare, we will accelerate composite development of mechanization and computerization, carry out military training under IT-based conditions, modernize every aspect of logistics, intensify our efforts to train a new type of high-caliber military personnel in large numbers and change the mode of generating combat capabilities.'"
Bullshit Bingo Winner! (Score:5, Funny)
>"We must build strong armed forces through science and technology. To attain the strategic objective of building computerized armed forces and winning IT-based warfare, we will accelerate composite development of mechanization and computerization, carry out military training under IT-based conditions, modernize every aspect of logistics, intensify our efforts to train a new type of high-caliber military personnel in large numbers and change the mode of generating combat capabilities."
Filled my bullshit bingo card across, down, and both diagonals! Sure he doesn't work in marketing?
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3649/is_199607/ai_n8752654 [findarticles.com]
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It's a shame that we are not more so. Maybe we could have stopped things like the Darfur or Rwanda massacres. Then again, even though we do have the world's largest military, we can't do it all without a little help. Hell, if we even got a little moral support it would go a long way. Instead, we get people from pussy nations like yours that want to debate everything at the UN while men, women and children are dying... qu
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Those people are used to strong leaders . So it is likely that any democracy you install will eventually degrade into a dictatorship. Granted , it will be one that supports the US , but it's still no benefit to the people .
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That's why we waited for 12 years and through 19 UN resolutions before going into Iraq. We tried every option conceivable before using overwhelming force, including the use of limited force. Nothing worked. I guess it didn't matter as some people think that force is absolutely never the answer. These are the people that would rather learn German see the rest of Jews sent to the showers than to actually go to war.
Same thing is happening in Iran today.
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I guess that is the difference between my country and wherever you are from. We will fight to defend those that can not defend themselves. We don't just think of ourselves. We believe that human rights come from God, not man and it is our duty to see that the people of the world are given the chance. We are not content to stand idly by as millions of innocents get slaughtered (Rwanda, Darfur) where as the UN, the organization mean to st
Stereotypes! (Score:3, Interesting)
Sorry, couldn't resist. It's nice to know the CIA is apparently paying attention. A random question to anyone: how much traffic enters/leaves the US a second? Just how big of a MOAF (mother of all firewalls) would the government need to prevent increased latency(not that this would be a government concern of course)?
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Well, in a manner of speaking, he does work in marketing. He is pitching his sales strategy to his customers who buy into it by supporting him, continuing to approve of his policies, and ultimately keep him in power. I am not certain, but if I had to guess I would say that the unique and opaque culture of the Chinese government bureaucracy, complete with back room deals, shifting political allegiances, corruption, the gulag, and all the intrigues that accompany any non-representative government, whether it be an oriental despotism like the Byzantine Empire [wikipedia.org] or a modern scientific socialism [wikipedia.org] like China (at least officially), is a major contributing factor in the copious amount of nauseating and pompous bullshit bingo which emerges in these quinquennal (occuring once every five years) meetings of the Congress of People's Deputies (I think that is what they call themselves). Compared with these guys, the US presidential candidates are downright honest, frank, and forthcoming.
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Wow, somebody has really got his jongoistic balls in a twist.
Back room deals? Shifting political alliances? Corruption? Intrigues? What's so unique about that? Don't you have it in America? Don't make me laugh. As for the 'gulags' - for one thing it is a Russian phenomenon; for another,
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No, I don't think I'll give you a break here. First, we can eliminate the largest category of disaffected, people shall be second-guessing the 2000 elections forever, but they won't be able to come up with a coherent explanation for why, after the fact, they could have done better. The margin of error in such a close contest is greater than the vote difference. And no matter how you spin it, there is no legal way to determine the victor in such situations. The second largest group, latino and black soldiers
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He even sounds like our public affairs flacks, and let's face it, human wave attacks are SO 1950s!
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I'm sure we've all read the "Ingrish" instruction manuals. This went WAY beyond "Do not iron shirt while wearing."
>"when we in Europe hear American politicians speak, we have to adjust our mindset quite a bit, because to us it sounds like so much bollocks"
"when we hear politicians speak, we have to adjust our mindset quite a bit, because to us its so much bollock"
There, fixed it for you!
I guess it's better than in Soviet Amerika, where politician's mindset adjusts YOU!
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How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot, with a satanist saying you should be "perfected", that Christians don't really know god, etc.
Anyone who really loved someone wouldn't do what Coulter does. She doesn't love jews. Love includes respect. And that includes respect for their choices - including religion - not going around saying "we're the Fed-Ex to God", and that jews, or any other people, need to be "perfected". That implies 2 things - that Coulter believes she's "perfected" and others aren't.
If Coulter really wants to get people to convert, she should walk the walk, not talk the talk. And the first step would be to foreswear going around throwing gasoline everywhere and trying to strike sparks. Her brand of christianity is the "resounding like a hollow gong" mentioned in 1 Cor 13.
Thank God I'm an Atheist.
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I don't think that's true at all.
The two are often congruent but neither is essential to the existence of the other. Maybe you just need a basic respect for people as human beings--something that I do think Coulter lacks for "other types" of people--but there's no need to condone someone's choices in life in order to love them.
I think quite often we love people in spite of their choices, not because we somehow appreciate them.
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There's a difference between agreeing with someone's life choices (condoning them) and respecting their life choices, even if you disagree with them, but I don't think that's the real issue.
You can love someone without agreeing with them on everything ... but if they then do something that causes you to lose all respect for them, the love goes pretty darned quick as well.
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And athiests have our own "good news", that there is no god, so you don't have to figure out which one is the "one true god". We are equally free to spread our "religious beliefs", and interestingly enough, we're making major headway, to the point that many societies are now "post-chistian" or "post-religion"
"Salvation" is itself useless. "Salvation" from what? God's anger? So much for a loving god. Cry me a river about "christians are the most prosecuted religion". You're free to believe what you want,
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> "I will never denounce my Faith though"
I once said the same thing. Took me over a decade to "see the light" was really just a bunch of control freaks armed with lies and superstition, and their coteries of "useful idiots".
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Hu is really taking the lead on strategic IT (Score:1, Funny)
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Hu? (Score:4, Funny)
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pffft. Dude, everyone knows Hu's on first.
Re:Hu? (Score:4, Funny)
Before this decade is out, we should dedicate ourselves to defeating Pennywise the Clown and his evil minions!
Leaders (Score:1, Interesting)
India's got a prime minister who is an economist and was the head honcho of the finance ministry.
Wonder if Bush even understands the word logistics.
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I think they just put the battery in backwards. That, and they rushed the code out the door for the elections. Not much chance to debug the stupid thing.
And the U.S. is collaborating ... (Score:3, Insightful)
CC.
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Could you be a little bit more explicit about what you're implying? I'm not sure I see why you're so paranoid about a Chinese person doing computer vision research. Of course, I might b
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=identifying targets from a vehicle
I am not paranoid about 'a Chinese person', but about the ubiquitous presence of this ( context: [ia.ac.cn]
No one can win in "IT warfare" (Score:5, Insightful)
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I have a red computer name "Herring".
I invite you to hack it.
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that's stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
the computer is just a tool. knowing how the tool works means you'll make a good salary, not run the world. you're an engineer, not a leader
it is in fact a mark of your naivete that you think mastery of a computer means mastery of the real world
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If webmaster404 was correct, then you'd expect the list of the world's richest people to be full of geeks, for the board members of most large national and multinational companies to be mostly geeks. That simply isn't the case.
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So what? You don't have to know how a tool works to be able to use it, and computers are merely sophisticated tools.
Just wait 5 years and the average
People have been saying that sort of thin
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One may ask, precisely what enemy are they gearing up to fight? The obvious answer would be the United States, whom they have been bashing in their official speeches. Confusingly, the U.S. is also one of their biggest investors and their biggest single market and so anything that hurts the U.S. will inevitably harm them as well.
I wonder what Chinese businesspeopl
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Didn't happen during Mao's cultural revolution when these same people were decimated via a government inspired famine, why would it happen now that 40yrs of successive goverments have dragged them back above the poverty line? China has lifted more people out of poverty over the last 30-40yrs than the rest of the planet combined, i
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Not US, EU, China
US, EU, China, Russia, France
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I don't ...? (Score:2)
Anyway, all comments I ma
Say wot? (Score:2, Funny)
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Thats cool by me (Score:3, Funny)
On a more serious note, how hard would it be (if they pissed off enough country's) to null route all their IPs at the core peering points?
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Bert
Who suffered from the Slashdot time limit because he can use 10 fingers to type quickly and now has to spend his time to write this post-script to defeat the time limit. Let's give it another try.
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Question (Score:3, Funny)
Whom may China fight? (Re:Question) (Score:3, Interesting)
The Republic of China [wikipedia.org] is under a persistent threat of a (Mainland) Chinese attack. United States has long ago promised to defend them, so we have to listen carefully (and take notes!), when the current rival — and an unlikely-but-possible future enemy — talks about any kind of war.
Sooner or later China may also decide to begin solving its (over)population issues by expanding into Siberia, whose population density was always far smaller (orders of magnitude smaller) than China's and is now shri [voanews.com]
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Absolutely. But Russia may refuse to sell — out of nationalist pride or something else. And then things may get ugly.
A "main threat" where? Japan (itself the number one threat in the East only 70 years ago, BTW) has nothing to fear from the West. Neither does India. Certainly not Taiwan nor South Korea. North Korea or Myanmar — maybe, although the neo
In other news.... (Score:5, Funny)
Well... (Score:4, Funny)
The Best Defense (Score:1)
military training under IT-based conditions (Score:5, Funny)
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Somebody set up us the bomb. (Score:4, Funny)
With great justice!
Carry out military training under IT-based conditions!
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Really, unless China can get a hold of the source code for Windows (any one else laughing at what would ensue if that happened?) or start to use Linux more (which doesn't seem to be the case with $3 crack Windows) they won't be able to do code audits. What's worse is Microsoft can be bought for a tax rebate by the US government. So good luck on all that. But the US is in the same boat... which is why Microsoft is going to become the next world government unles
They're doomed, we will win (Score:1, Funny)
His Plans Are Clear (Score:5, Funny)
NCW (Score:3, Interesting)
Mistranslated? (Score:1, Insightful)
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Re:You know what this means? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Step Followers, Not Engineers. Begin Human Wave! (Score:3, Interesting)
There have been a number of projects that I have worked on in IT with Chinese consultants based in China. The shocking (and most often shocking) revelation I have had is the persistance for step by step instructions to almost everything. I sometimes find myself wondering what it is exactly (other than a recently over-changed government policy that now embraces MS) they actually utilize, but more importantly contribute, the usefulness of OSS because of the amount of outside thinking and experimentation that is needed to become comfortable using such systems.
Anecdote is this: China constultants assists in co-coding a massive project that involves originally western-sourced code. Upon being provided an API and an approach-based guidline to expand on the source, they insist on step by step instructions and 'scripts' for things as simple as using a copy command. Now being well-versed in J2EE projects, I would expect more than 'step 72 gives this error, everything is broke'. Eventually when you find out that step 72 broke because the pre-requisites and steps 13-20 were ommitted, you can't help but wonder how to teach the taught, 'thought' and encouraging different approaches to a solution.
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Obligatory George Bush joke (Score:3, Funny)
Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.
Bush: Great. Lay it on me.
Condi: Hu is the new leader of China.
Bush: That's what I want to know.
Condi: That's what I'm telling you.
Bush: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?
Condi: Yes.
Bush: I mean the fellow's name.
Condi: Hu.
Bush: The guy in China.
Condi: Hu.
Bush: The new leader of China.
Condi: Hu.
Bush: The Chinaman!
Condi: Hu is leading China.
Bush: Now whaddya' asking me for?
Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China.
Bush: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China?
Condi: That's the man's name.
Bush: That's who's name?
Condi: Yes.
Bush: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader of China?
Condi: Yes, sir.
Bush: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the Middle
East.
Condi: That's correct.
Bush: Then who is in China?
Condi: Yes, sir.
Bush: Yassir is in China?
Condi: No, sir.
Bush: Then who is?
Condi: Yes, sir.
Bush: Yassir?
Condi: No, sir.
Bush: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of China.
Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone.
Condi: Kofi?
Bush: No, thanks.
Condi: You want Kofi?
Bush: No.
Condi: You don't want Kofi.
Bush: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk.
And then get me the U.N.
Condi: Yes, sir.
Bush: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N.
Condi: Kofi?
Bush: Milk! Will you please make the call?
Condi: And call who?
Bush: Who is the guy at the U.N?
Condi: Hu is the guy in China.
Bush: Will you stay out of China?!
Condi: Yes, sir.
Bush: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the U.N.
Condi: Kofi.
Bush: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone.
(Condi picks up the phone.)
Condi: Rice, here.
Bush: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we should
send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you get
Chinese food in the Middle East?
It's simple (Score:2)
Defense.... as in... (Score:2)
Clean up your networks, and you might see my customers again. The million to one, attack vs. customer ratio is what you aughta fix you fascist fucks.
Mistranslation (Score:5, Insightful)
Universal Hardware OS (Score:2)
I know, you think I'm kidding - I"m not.
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http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/30/middle-kingdom-ready-bust-flops [theinquirer.net]
So maybe they won't need hackers but better programs and computers? It is easier to start an IT war with more servers and other techniques.
I wonder if India is doing the same? If they are I wonder what countries will they IT attack? Pakistan? Maybe the Indians will sell out to the highest bidder, since they have no loyalty to US or China...
F**king Fascists (Score:3, Funny)
If you let derelict, obsolete old coots run a nation, this happens. Repression of the elder citizens. I bet many of them still live in 1950s mindset.
Re:Yeah ok... (Score:5, Insightful)
The IT battlefield is quite different... it involves infecting Windows PCs with worms a la Storm, creating back doors into databases so that you know what the enemy is doing before they do, etc. It doesn't involve (primarily) using Chinese IP addresses to deface the white house web page.
The Chinese know how to manipulate information to alter reality. They are much better at this than countries like the US (although I think the US government is improving in this area). THIS is the IT battlefield; manipulation of information and perception.
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If SCO, Microsoft, and the US Government can't do it by now, what makes you think they could tomorrow? They have all the money in the world, yet they can't convince me with their propoganda. Why is that? Because they lack credibility. At this rate they will never have it.
ae911truth.org
I don't know about you, but I believe the law of conserv [wikipedia.org]
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Everyone knows China as the world's foremost assholes already
No, everyone does not know this. The US and the UK invaded Iraq at the cost of hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives. I am not defending China here, but from where I am sitting, they're not invading and killing as much.
I want to think and do and say as I fuckin feel like, within the limits of law
Don't you realise they're just different laws? Many people in Europe think it's repressive to require women to cover their breasts on t
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From where I am sitting, it's pretty obvious that China already did all that stuff. Now they've got their troops planted all over places like Tibet and Inner Mongolia, so while the dust has settled, enough of us remember to know a 'bad guy.'
Freedom isn't 'absolute' because you have to cite a fricking context for the word to mean anything at all. You can say that 'dark isn't absolute' and make just as strong an argument.
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Are you implying that the Chinese are going to outsource their military to Wal-Mart?
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