Facebook Caves To Privacy Protests Over Beacon 95
jcatcw writes "After weeks of privacy protests over its advertising system, Facebook's CEO announced that users now can turn the system off completely. CEO Zuckerberg said 'We simply did a bad job with this release.' Jeff Chester, executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy, called the announcement from Zuckerberg 'a step in the right direction.'"
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But that doesn't mean that these same people don't deserve privacy if they want it.
I'm sure that 99.9% of the Facebook population won't turn Beacon off. But at least they have the ability now.
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Except it's not hard to find at all. Privacy->External Web Sites->Check the box for "disallow".
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There are no dancing monkey banners on Facebook, unless you add them to your own page.
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If i want a dam app ill install it myself...
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Facebook might look like everyone is an open book, but the information shared and public activities seen are carefully chosen for a variety of complex social reasons. Beacon was completely ignorant of this.
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How many signatures did they get on their little petition thing? 50,000? Out of at least 50,000,000 members?
And these are the people who are handing over their email and communications to some web based central entity to begin with?
The fact that almost none of them will delete their facebook accounts and never return over this extremely offensive and inexcusable violation only further proves my point. Anyone who would give a company like this a second chance after this kind of
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Personally,
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I didn't sign the petition but I cared. I can't possibly be the only one. Perhaps the overlap between people who do care about this sort of thing and people who don't like to sign online petitions or join random Facebook groups is pretty large...
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People who are in my friends' network know where I work, what music I like to listen to, what teams I cheer for and what TV shows I watch. Guess what, everyone I know basically knows that stuff about me because they're my f
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By default, only those in your network can see ANYTHING about you. This would be people in your own school or whatever. And within that, you have a number of privacy setting controlling whether only your direct friends can see things.
In a number of ways... I've always thought that Facebook is to Apple what MySpace is to Microsoft...
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TFA suggests that people do care about privacy on Facebook, and I'll take that as more reliable evidence than a few comments on a blog where social networking sites are, for some reason, looked down upon.
Well... (Score:3, Insightful)
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I was originally planning on waxing poetic about the golden age of business when trust and respect were part of the fabric of things, a time before anyone had even heard of the expression "mission statement", and enlightened leaders guided by tradition and higher principles ruled their dominions, but then the image of Rupert Murdock's grubbing face at a meeting of investors appeared.
We're all fucked.
Or maybe not.
I think Slashdot needs a mission statement. Something between "To Boldly Go" and "Mostly Harmless", maybe?
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Our mission statement: " We would like to issue this statement, that, for the record, we have no mission. So if your business gets totally screwed by our business relationship,we probably didn't plan for it to happen. Furthermore, it will probably be your fault. If you do have a mission, and you got totally screwed then its definitely your fault for failing to execute the mission."
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Boldly, Mostly?
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Opt In Not Opt Out (Score:5, Insightful)
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Facebook user Tom Hessman added that Zuckerberg admitted that Facebook will still be receiving data from partner sites whether users opt out or not.
Facebook is still going to be receiving info from any site that signs up for the Beacon program.
My guess is Facebook's Beacon is going to be the DoubleClick of the social networking world. Maybe MySpace should get in on the action before Facebook corners the market on demographic information.
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The change is that you don't have to opt out of individual instances of the program's activity. Rather, you can opt out completely with one check-box.
Facebook's M.O. is to create features that reduce your privacy and to enable them automatically. This means that for users to preserve the status quo, they have to play whack-a-mole as new features come out.
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Mutually Assured Defamation (Score:5, Interesting)
There's probably enough information about me on-line to uniquely identify me as an individual. There's also enough in what I have said on-line to date already to completely rule me out of any political position in this country.
However, I sometimes feel safe in the knowledge that everybody who has used the web has left a similar sort of trail. All this information will stay on the web for decades or perhaps even centuries.
Our privacy, it seems, is protected by the fact that if you dig hard-enough you can find dirt on anybody. Dirt is only good if you can use it and Google shows us just how many people have dirty linen that can be easily obtained.
When all this shakes out over the next twenty years and the Facebook generation grow-up and get careers, we may well find out that our privacy is protected by mutually assured defamation.
Simon
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Your Mutually Assured Defemation scenario doesn't cover most concerns.
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Unless you a) don't have any dirt, or at least none that anyone would care about, or b) you actually are careful when you input information online, on forms, in email, etc. Of course, not many people think about the impact that one underage drinking picture their friend posted could
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As opposed to uniquely identifying you as lots of people?
I'll get meh coat.
Just like last time... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Just like last time... (Score:5, Funny)
He-Man Underwear 3-pack, size 8 [ebay.com]
Lara Croft Bikini Poster [ebay.com]
"Bride of Chucky" on VHS! [ebay.com]
Okay (Score:1)
Ya, they "caved". (Score:5, Informative)
Meaning: We'll still collect information on you and do whatever we want with it, but it won't appear on your profile. Better? Yes. Much better? No.
TFA is wrong (Score:5, Informative)
Be that as it may... (Score:2, Informative)
http*://*facebook.com/beacon/*
Unless you want to use that "feature" I don't see how it can hurt.
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Thx...
Re:TFA is wrong (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, if we agree that we can't trust these guys to tell the truth like it is, can you really trust them not to collect the information? What he says is "facebook won't store the info when external sites send it to them". That reads to me like: "Yes, sheep, don't worry about this mysterious communication to facebook.com when you are browsing on eBay. They are probably sending us all your personal, private actions, but we swear solemnly that we will not use or sell this very lucrative information."
As far as I am concerned (until someone either hacks into or raids Facebook servers without their notice and does a full investigation), they are still collecting and storing your information. They have proven over and over again that they have no integrity, and unless they say something like, "if you opt out, we will make sure to notify external websites not to send us your information," that is, something you can verify to be true, whatever they are telling is at worst a damned lie, and at best, half truth.
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As I read it, what happens is first they collect the identifiable data, then they might do some real-time stuff with it, then they throw the identifiable data away, probably keeping whatever aggregate info they glean from the real-time processing.
Essentially they promise to not store it but they most certa
Re:TFA is wrong.... Semantics, further (Score:2)
Means "THEY" (as in FACEBOOK) won't collect. Probably also means they offloaded the tool to some ghost subsid or partner who will then periodically aggregate collected data with/to/for Facebook and other unnamed ad agencies... The English language, combined with lawyers, can trick-fuck ANYbody, no matter HOW scholarly or seasoned. Even whole teams of attorneys tend to miss things.
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How do you turn it off if you're not a member? (Score:5, Interesting)
What are they doing with the data of people who never signed up for Facebook in the first place? Is there a list of the 3rd-party sites that provide data to Facebook so that they can be avoided? I know that Facebook is not the only site to track user activity, but this underscores the need for a "Do Not track" list. Like that will happen anytime soon
Never let reality temper imagination.
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http://www.facebook.com/privacy.php?view=unconfirmed_actions [facebook.com]
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Boycott the Advertisers (list) (Score:5, Informative)
Boycott the following sites:
eBay
Fandango
College Humor
Busted Tees
iWon
Citysearch
Pronto.com
echomusic
Travelocity
Allposters.com
Blockbuster
Bluefly.com
CBS Sports
Dotspotter
ExpoTV
Gamefly
Hotwire
Joost
Kiva
Kongregate
LiveJournal
Live Nation
Mercantila
The NBA
The New York Times
Overstock.com
(RED)
Redlight
Seamless Web
Sony Online Entertainment
Sony Pictures
STA Travel
TheKnot
TripAdvisor
Travel Ticker
Typepad
viagogo
Vox
Yelp
WeddingChannel.com
Zappos
Source: http://www.facebook.com/press/releases.php?p=9166 [facebook.com] (found from a blog)
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They'll probably think twice about that, now that they've seen the impact in made on facebook.
I think implementing this on eBay would make it easy to boycott sellers by spreading false rumors through your "friend network".
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Does this violate advertisers' privacy policies? (Score:1)
Re:Does this violate advertisers' privacy policies (Score:4, Informative)
Your own computer gets this code, and communicates with Facebook directly, looking at your cookies to see if you're affiliated with Facebook. Since the transfer is local you can block it, but still these websites have the malicious AJAX code residing within their pages.
You have to block "http://www.facebook.com/beacon/*", which can be done using the FireFox BlockSite plugin, among other methods.
Don't boycott LiveJournal (Score:2)
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import it:
what happens on the Internet stays on the Internet (Score:1)
The data I create and store on my computer are MINE. I control access, determine what portion of my income will go to protection of said data, and its my ass for everything if someone steals this information. This event will be both a criminal and civil crime against me personally, that I am free to persue how I see fit.
The data I create and store on {insert favorite online service here} are NOT MINE. It is the property of some ot
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I hope Facebook users aren't buying into the lie (Score:5, Insightful)
There's simply too much money to be made from advertising and selling information to ignore! That's why CableTV started playing commercials even though it was originally sold to be "commercial free."
They can't resist the evil... the greed... "the corporate obligation." Adobe's "ads in PDF" is another fine example of crap they can't seem to resist. And the fact is, while people are sometimes vocal enough about some things, there's enough people out there who don't care enough to complain that nothing gets done.
Hehehe - translation (Score:1)
What he meant was, "Awwwwwwwww phooey. Danged kids. mumble mumble ad revenue mumble."
About-face (Score:5, Informative)
That's a pretty big change from what Mark was saying in his blog post if you ask me. That being said, the big problem is, all I have turned off is Facebook's reporting of the sites I visit. I essentially hit a switch that says "Track me, but dont let me know what you are getting!" I wonder if I should turn it back on, so I can at least keep tabs on it.
Also, I wonder if I will still see what sites have reported back to facebook with my information on the settings page, even though I have turned it off.
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That assumes they're already showing you everything that's being collected.
Still not good enough? (Score:2)
After weeks of privacy protests over its advertising system, Facebook CEO announced that users now can turn the system off completely. CEO Zuckerberg said 'We simply did a bad job with this release.'
It should be off by default and optional in the settings, as with MSN Messenger and many other applications.
On a personal note, I enjoyed Facebook at first until I realized that making my network public is quite idiotic. I mean, I can certainly live without Facebook and if I look at the privacy issues and compare it with the Facebook offers, it's just not that sweet any longer.
Already Blocked. (Score:1)
From the opt out page... (Score:1)
Show your friends what you like and what you're up to outside of Facebook. When you take actions on the sites listed below, you can choose to have those actions sent to your profile.
Please note that these settings only affect notifications on Facebook. You will still be notified on affiliate websites when they send stories to Facebook. You will be able to decline individual stories at that t
Didn't take long did it? (Score:1, Insightful)
Or am I the only one who sees some correlation and causation there?
Response Time vs. Marketing Spin (Score:1)
It's Too Little, Keep Protesting (Score:2, Interesting)
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As for people who don't come to
Blocking the Beacon (Score:2, Informative)
I don't get it (Score:1)
It will come to pass (Score:2)
Just watch we-know-who-you-are ads and tracking will become the norm. Don't believe me? See how much valuable personal information people voluntarily upload in Go