Pre-20th Century Gadgetery 104
The Byelorussian Hatter writes "Wired, presumably bored to death of Cellphones, Zunes, MairBook Nacs and what-have-you, looks back at the elegant inventions of a less civilized age. 'The Turk was a chess player concealed in a table packed with cogs and gears, contrived to give the appearance of a mighty chess-playing machine. Atop the table, an articulated automaton would be seen to make the moves determined by the master within. One of the 18th and 19th century's many illustrious hoaxes, the Turk is perhaps the greatest gadget that wasn't.'"
"Ark of the Covenant"? (Score:3, Funny)
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Will Mitt Romney's magnetic underwear also make the list someday?
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Do you mean that the objects that do follow you around do not distract you?
Maybe you should read the Book of Mormon sometime instead of websites that 'sum it up' for you. The Liahona just told them where to go and gave instruction, none of which involved battle strategy.
Regardless, you gotta admit that some of the BofM is violent. They sneak into a neighbor
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As does Bush. [bbc.co.uk] And Blair too I think, but I can't find a source.
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It's a business plan.
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Makes you relize (Score:4, Insightful)
After all, I still have yet to welcome our matter to energy and back converting overlords...
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Shame mankind didnt put alot more reasearch into it through the ages, because if they had it would save us from alot of the hassles we face today in the iPod, Laptop and Phone generation.
~Dan
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Then I realized that it isn't me doing any of those things. Someone else built my heating and cooling system, and my plumbing, and ventilation. I'm really no better than a caveman--I just found a much nicer cave to move into.
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People like to think they individually know substantially more than their ancestors, while in reality they just know different things. Medieval peasants knew how to slaughter a cow: we don't. We know how to operate a microwave: they didn't. Only collectively we clearly know more.
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Let's not get all excited by this "royal we" concept. Some of us can slaughter a cow - you need not be a medieval peasant, just someone who grew up or has worked on a farm or ranch.
I think your premise is a bit flawed. Clearly, as a society or race or species (however you choice to enclose large groups of humans) "we" understand and can manipulate much larger bodies of knowledge than say, a medieval priest or even royalty. But on an individual level, this is also true. Lots of folks I know can slaughter a cow, at least pretend to fix a microwave, certainly fix an internal combustion engine, use a complex piece of electronic equipment (and I'm not talking about an iPod), shoot a gun, etc. recall the quotation from St. Heinlein:
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Heinlein was an ass.
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Surely someone who can shoot a gun doesn't necessarily 'know' more than someone who can shoot a bow. As I understand it guns replaced bows because they require less skill. The replacement of simple tools by complicated machines is usually intended to make tasks less knowledge-intensive. Th
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Funnily enough, the Romans had a lot of that (if you were rich enough). But a few short centuries later, it was unimaginable to the people, even in the lands that had had it.
I wonder whether, in a future era of low
Re:Makes you realise (Score:2, Funny)
s/seemless/seamless
s/Its all/It's all
s/simplier/simpler
s/eletronics/electronics
s/eletricity/electricity
s/mediums/media
s/matter. Etc../matter, etc.
s/rememeber/remember
s/were but a step/we're but a step
Recast cliché
> Makes you relize how far man has NOT come.
Amen, brother.
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Electronics is just the only survivor in a world of many species. The idea of processing information by itself is (indeed) not new. But many machines have been invented in the past that didn't make it. Then electronics is fast, tiny and can be mass produced for almost nothing. That's why this technology survived and information processing with water, gears, relais, and torque amplifiers did not.
The same holds for flying cars. The idea is a
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Makes you relize how far man has NOT come. We think ourselves a group of bad asses right now. We have nearly seemless technology in large parts of the world, I can see and hear people literally years away by foot. I can do amazing things from my home... but is any of this really that far from clockmaking?
If you were to take a look at the chronology of clockmaking, you'd find that the answer is yes.
All eletronics extend from the idea of harnessing eletricity.. when will we enter a phase where we seek new mediums to harness? Instead of becoming masters of electrons, we master all energy and matter. Etc.. so before we think ourselves genius, rememeber that were but a step into the long journey to true tech. mastery.
Yes, we're a long way from forming the Q Continuum. How depressing.
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Eninstein never could have come up with relativity without being able to acruartely measure time. Those "clock makers" from the past gave him that g
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but is any of this really that far from clockmaking? Its all just extensions of simplier ideas. Clockmaking extends from the idea of gears. All eletronics extend from the idea of harnessing eletricity.. when will we enter a phase where we seek new mediums
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So it could be nuclear energy is in a gadget.
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American English: r-e-a-l-i-z-e
Note that the letter 'a' is in both.
But Don't Laugh at the Turk (Score:1)
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No weaponry? (Score:1, Interesting)
-Eric-
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I'm more surprised that the Droz automata are not listed. If 'The Turk is perhaps the greatest gadget that wasn't', then the Droz androids are the gratest gadgets that actually were. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ypKJWXFj48&feature=related [youtube.com]
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For an earlier perspective... (Score:3, Interesting)
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A little consideration will convince any one that the difficulty of making a machine beat all games, Is not in the least degree greater, as regards the principle of the operations necessary, than that of making it beat a single game.
Other than that little gem, Poe did a pretty good job of deductive reasoning.
Call me weird, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
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So it was reasonably portable.
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Actually... The Ark of the Covenant may have been capable of, at the very least, storing electricity. This was a theory tested on Mythbusters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery#Testing_the_theory [wikipedia.org] (I think some Slashdotters might have heard of this show?)
Other people speculate that it acted as a capacitor. Legends say it was capable of levitation and bringing down the walls of Jericho.
Other resources
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Ah, but you see, there's a difference between them and the ones picked: the ones you list were useful.
less civilized? (Score:3, Insightful)
Probably the Middle Ages... (Score:3, Insightful)
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You have a misconception about The Plague. killed two million per year at the most. And you'd have to count all victims in all three outbreaks centuries apart to reach the total of 137 million.
the flu has done worse than that for one year, and has done worse for total victims.
travelers slaughtered for food is better than millions slaughtered for resource
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2 million a year is kind of a big deal when it comprises THREE TO FOUR PERCENT of the european population at the time. It would be equivalent to almost 22 million people dying in europe per year today.
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You're absolutely right... (Score:1)
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This is a trick question, isn't it?
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Everyone gets so focused sometimes on what's wrong in this day and age that they forget to take a look at what's right. People also have a tendency to judge the world by their own ideals, never mind how unrealistic their ideals are. There has never been an age in known history where war and conflicts for control over resources was not part of the human condition. The free market may not be the most
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Re:less civilized? (Score:4, Insightful)
As for inhuman weapons - Depends on what you mean by inhuman, before the invention of antibotics countless millions of walking war wounded died a slow and horrible death.
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And I'd say its been extraordinarily high in de-capita terms.
Ba duhm boom tish
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I think you got that backwards...
Amazon's Mechanical Turk (Score:5, Informative)
* 5, for large values of two.
Didn't make the list... (Score:4, Funny)
It didn't make the list, but was vapourware at the time:
Duke Nukem Forever
I've got one! (Score:2, Funny)
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i don't know what journalism is (Score:3, Informative)
and what it is not is an hour spent clicking wikipedia links and writing a 6th grade level report
Stone age nerd (Score:2)
Well... (Score:1)
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Modern office workers (still present today in various locations around the world) spend approximately 1/3 of their day working so they can pay for their food--just surviving.
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Sources? I'm a "modern office worker", and I know I only spend a few (2 to 2.5) hours a week earning money for food. That's 6.25% of my working hours (assuming a 40-hour week), and just 2.23% of my waking hours (taking a "day" as 16 hours, with eight hours for sleep). Even at minimum wage -- less
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You have your figures wrong, Hunter Gatherers actually only spend about 1/6 to 1/4 of the day gathering food ( dependent on the environment)
Hunter Gathering is in fact a very efficient lifestyle from a time use perspective, the problem is that is doesn't scale well. We shifted to an agrarian society not because it gave us more free time, but because it en
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I think you have your 'ages' mixed up, for example stone henge was built with stone age tech and the people who built it lived in thatched roundhouses, some up to 60' in diameter, they had pens for domesticated animals. Indoor heating and light came from a central fire and the roof had no hole since smoke passed straight thru the thatch.
There is no denying life was brutally uncomfortable (particularly in cold climates like the UK), but stone age man was intellectually no different to modern man. Even Neanderthals were more advanced than the picture you paint and they were a different species. Stone age people simply thought religion and science were the same thing, and a large chunk of humanity still thinks exactly the same way.
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Prehistory is even categorised by the achievements of nerds, only when some geek decided to find out what happen when you stuck funny looking rocks in a very hot fire did the stone age become the bronze age. Sure being a prehistoric nerd would have been hard work, but rest assured, there were plenty of them, and its thanks to those uber nerds who decided they could represent spoken words using little squiggles on paper that prehistory finally ended.
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He's the guy who pays attention to things like seasons and weather, and how the moon moves. The guy who has memorised - because there is no writing - the lineages of everyone in the tribe and the history of heroes and deeds. The guy with the lore of plants and herbs, and which kill, and which heal, and which bring visions of the gods.
He's the Stone Age nerd, and he's very powerful because of it. Signs in the sky tell him when the buffalo migration is due, and because of this the hunters
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Huh (Score:2, Funny)
Kinda like Vista.
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Kinda like Vista.
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The interesting stuff isn't there (Score:2)
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One thing that for instance popped up in my mind thinking of a pre-20th century gadget is the early 17th century gearbox of the mechanical fireplace spit fork in a castle near Amsterdam. At that time it was inhabited by a friend of scientist Christiaan Huygens (who invented a number of things involving the principle of transmission, including of course the pendulum clock). I have no idea whether it is unique or just rare for that era, and whe
Al-Jazari (Score:3, Informative)
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Come to think of it, the vials containing fluid blood of St Januarius in an I
Missing! The Automaton of Mailardet. (Score:1)
( you have to keep in mind, that it is a *wired* article ),
The Turk? Jeez. What about this:
http://www.fi.edu/learn/automaton/ [fi.edu]
"Ecrit par L'Automate de Maillardet."
This translates to "Written by the Automaton of Maillardet."
"A young child whom zeal guides,
Of your favors solicits the price,
And obtains, don't be surprised,
The gift of pleasing you, a child to these wonders."
Sorry, 'The Turk' dosent even rank.
Is this a slow news day? (Score:1)
This article is dull and boring. My goodness, I'm surprised the author missed the Golem.
What bunk !
A complete waste of time.
The Turk (Score:2)
John Connor is concerned that this AI could end up being Skynet (he even mentions "the Singularity", first time I've heard that phrase on TV - although he defines it as AIs becoming smart enough to make themselves smarter, which is not the proper definition). The Terminator babe says the geek shou