Microsoft Quietly Offering Ad-Funded Version of Works 122
mikesd81 writes "News.com reports Microsoft has finally started offering an ad-funded version of Microsoft Works in some countries. Users who run the software see a small ad as they are writing their document or editing their spreadsheet. Although the program has the ability to update its set of ads online, today it runs mostly ads for Microsoft and a few partners, all of which ship with the product itself. Microsoft remains cagey on the details of where you can find Works SE. The company has been testing Works SE in 5 countries: The United States, France, Canada, Poland and the United Kingdom. It is available only through select computer makers and Microsoft won't say which computer makers those are. However, it seems Sony is offering it in the US."
Works? (Score:5, Funny)
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The right one is "It works?"
Disclaimer: this is not a flamebait. I just spent half a day fighting to convert a document produced with this oxymoron into something that could be read.
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We had a secretary just a year ago or so that got a new laptop that only came with Works, so she would email out documents as Works files, which no one could open (even Office complains about it!).
Finally a few of us confronted her, saying we couldn't open her Works files, and we tried to get her OpenOffice to make it easier.
Her response was "Well, Works came with the computer, it's good enough and I don't want to go messing with it." As far as I know, she st
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Indeed, I can't imagine any sane manager who would listen to IT opinions from his secretary. "Either you use what I tell you to use, or you are free to go and work for someone else. It's not just the matter of me being evil, it's mostly the fact that I can't read what you write. Makes you kind of useless here, eh?
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I have to say I am really looking forward to seeing someone running ad supported M$ (doesn't)Work, instead of free openofficer.org, and yes, quite cruelly, I will laugh at them an
Of course it does (Score:2)
Though i saw the latest version the other day and it looks pretty hokey with all the wizards..
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It exists to sell Office, kind of like herpes sells acyclovir...
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Microsoft Works (Score:2, Funny)
worst for portability (Score:5, Interesting)
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My dad used to produce a magazine in MS Publisher and maintain the subscriptions Works spreadsheet. I couldn't persuade him to use anything better. This combo more or less did what he wanted so my extolling that Office (since OO didn't exist at
Microsoft Word supports Works (Score:1)
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HP011881161033.aspx [microsoft.com]
also, sun's converter tool may help.. keep in mind that you can convert anything to pdf and then from pdf to almost anything if you really need to. I read about it.. but did not bookmark it.
Is it perfect? No. Adequate for most things? Yes.
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Re:What about already existing alternatives? (Score:4, Informative)
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In other news, Open Office is being offered WITHOUT ANY ADS for all platforms :-)
And unlike Microsoft Works, it can actually read Microsoft Office documents.
I'm confused. Have you (and the moderators) used Works recently? I haven't (recently), but an easy-to-find "How to" article on Microsoft's support site says Works does read Office documents (Word and Excel, at least).
From the article "File formats that are supported in Works 9" [microsoft.com]:
You can open the following file formats in the Works 9 Word Processor:
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But... There is a minor conundrum with it...
On the one hand, purchasing ad space on MS Works will be giving money directly to Microsoft.
On the other hand, it would be a potential loss of money for Microsoft over the long-term, if people start using OO.o as opposed to MS Works (losing out on the advertisement revenue).
I think I'll have to do a bit of digging to see if doing something like this is actually feasible, and ho
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In other news an entire office suite Open Office not only is without advertisements, it opens many more formats, saves in a open standard format, is multi-platform, and free. There, Fixed it.
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MS Works on Windows and iWork on Mac target those that don't need the power of MS Office and OO.o, and don't want to deal with the complications of those apps. MS Works and iWork offer task-based templates to get simple tasks done quickly. MSO offers that as well, but to a lesser extent, and OO.o is woefully lacking in that sort of thing.
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MS Works is targeting the Wordpad and Notepad group as a step up to MS Word. Unfortunately many documents saved in the old works format have migration issues. People remember this. It's not just a text editor like Notepad and it's not quite a word processor like MS Word. Open Office is lacking in task based templates, but do
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It's a pity we, as consumers, don't have access to a line-item list of everything we get nickel-and-dimed for; it would be truly shocking, I think, if we did.
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Maybe then, they'd shut up and format their system upon receipt like a good customer should. They might also give independent builders like myself, just a little more respect.
If I had the option of getting paid to install crapware, I'd offer it to my clients and pass along the savings with a smile, or maybe I'd use it as punishment for the few jackasses that try to haggle
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It's a $40 piece of software. I would rather them release an ad-ridden version of Microsoft Office 2003 Pro. THEN it would be worth it to some people to deal with the advertisements.
There, fixed it.
Old News (Score:1, Informative)
This has been going on for a while. My Sony laptop from December '07 came with this. It should be noted that the ad-funded version is available only to OEMs.
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Placement??? (Score:3, Funny)
(Don't worry, it'll be mostly transparent, so you can sorta see what your typing.)
Slightly OT: Microsoft Office 2007 (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyhow, it was a traumatic experience. "Where the eff is "Save as"? And how do I insert a slide? OK, how do I center-align this text? No, I don't want to insert Wordard or multimedia clips, thank you. Just a slide. And then save the file under a new name."
For me, the value of an office program, like for example Powerpoint or Impress, is in the speed I can create the presentation (for example) and how good it will look in the end. OO.o Impress is more than adequate in that sense - Powerpoint 2007, well, it failed me. Same with OO.o Write vs Word 2007 - plus the added argument that OO.o creates standstds compliant documents which I will be able to open with a reader of my choice or own creation in 40 years from now. But yeah, the fact that I can create it quickly and without logic-killing brain-damaging consequences is the greatest value.
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Nah, sorry, the UI is totally different. There's very little difference from Office 2004 to Office 2008. Sit down for awhile with 2007. It's a bleedin' nightmare.
The only big changes I see in 2008 (which is what I mainly use these days) are the stupid Gallery that you can't get rid of (but can minimize), and the screwed-up way it deals with toolbars (which you can fix--I like the new one for Word, but have Excel running the way it used to). There are still menus, for crying out loud. Whose idea was i
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Anyway it's about time they did something new with Office. For the longest number of years I was hard-pressed to see an
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It shouldn't take 15 or 20 minutes to make a chart in Excel 2007.
Highlight your data. As I'm guessing you're aware of, all the different chart types have their own button under the "Insert" tab of the ribbon. Want a bar graph? Highlight your data and click the "Bar" button. You're done! 2 minutes => 1 mouse click.
Need more nitpicking stuff? It already brought you over to the "design" tab. Pick out colors, choose what kind of legend and axis labeling you need, add error bars... They're all hid
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It shouldn't take 15 or 20 minutes to make a chart in Excel 2007.
OK. I exaggerated. It took me 10 minutes, then I gave up and used Excel 2003.
Highlight your data. As I'm guessing you're aware of, all the different chart types have their own button under the "Insert" tab of the ribbon. Want a bar graph? Highlight your data and click the "Bar" button. You're done! 2 minutes => 1 mouse click.
Ha! It has never been that easy to create a chart for me. For one, Excel has a terrible time telling whether or not the data is "across" or "down." 3/4 of the time I have to tell it to switch from one to the other. The chart wizard let me preview the chart gave me me the option to change this ahead of time, almost as if it knew that it would not be able to detect this for me. Secondly, I would rather Excel ask me stuff abo
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Interesting. I've managed to avoid the mandatory "Microsoft Office 101" classes because of crap like they put you through.
But, if it helps, there's the "switch rows/columns" button on the design tab. If you think of the actual in-spreadsheet chart as your "preview" it's mostly the same.
I like it, and like beating people over the head with it. I find it a lot more intuitive - the design/layout/format tabs don't appear if you don't have a chart, and do appear when you do, for example. I personally don
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I like it, and like beating people over the head with it. I find it a lot more intuitive - the design/layout/format tabs don't appear if you don't have a chart, and do appear when you do, for example. I personally don't feel the learning curve is that steep, but if 2003 works for you, you shouldn't have to keep learning a new version "just because."
Well, during the brief time I used the new 2007 suite, I must admit that at times the Ribbon was easier to use than wading through menus. It was just Microsoft's lack of considering throwing in a "Classic" UI for everyone who could not or did not want to re-learn the interface just to get work done that angered me enough to ditch the software, especially considering that Microsoft was more than happy to put in such "Classic" UIs for Windows XP (and Windows Vista to a lesser extent).
PS: I just found that a
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More importantly, most new users find 2007 very friendly and quick to learn. It's us veterans that are afraid of change. It's far from perfect, but for a dramatic shift in UI design, they got it pretty good for a first iteration. The next version will ho
Since you asked... (Score:2, Interesting)
Outlook 2007 has some rather interesting features. Typing in the middle of a paragraph - when the cursor crosses the line wrap the cursor is sometimes moved to a semi-random place in the text. That took a little getting used to. The last editor I used that had that problem -- well, I wrote it myself. :-(
The "invisible text" in HTML emails bug is still present too. It's a holdover from O97. You would think they would fix that. Some people feel that having some of the text of their emails randomly delet
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Could it be that Microsoft just fscked up? I submit to you as a possibility that Microsoft has just shuffled around the interface in order to justify the publication of a new office suite, when there was nothing to "improve on" anymore.
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Office 2007 (with the "ribbon") is the biggest thing to happen to the Office suite since Windows 95. Quit whining that they moved the buttons around just that tiny little bit - I found features and said "Oh, wow! I wish that was in other versions of Office, too!" only to realize that it was - I just couldn't find it until now.
When you start Powerpoint (or any part of Office 2007) for the first time, the little round Office logo in the top left will glow and a pop up will tell you "Here is where the Save
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Examples?
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I never knew about "PivotTables" in Excel until it was the first button under the "insert" tab. Turns out they're kinda the biggest reason to use Excel. (Granted, I don't use it much.
Ditto for automatically captioning pictures with "Figure x" in Word - I never knew it was there until it popped up in a context menu one day as I was preparing a lab report.
I also knew Word had some kind of revision control - "That's when you double-click the wrong button and all the text shows up red, right?" - but I did
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Pivot tables aren't very new. They've been in spreadheets since the early '90s.
I never knew about "PivotTables" in Excel until it was the first button under the "insert" tab. Turns out they're kinda the biggest reason to use Excel.
They're called DataPilots or DataPivots in other spreadsheets (MS was able to trademark "PivotTables", which surprised a lot of people), and generally live under the "Data" menu. I'm a bit surprised it's under the "
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Give it some time, however and you'll soon be won over. After a week of using it, there was no way I could go back to previous versions of office. How many times have you looked at a menu item in Office 2003/OOo and not know exactly what it's supposed to do until you click on it? Well,
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We bash Microsoft every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Sundays we bash Apple, and Wednesday is OSS-recognition day. Mondays and Fridays we just beat off to SuicideGirls while Zonk posts a bunch of dupes.
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Awakening From a Haze (Score:1)
Oh wow. What exactly is Microsoft Works?
I can already feel the effects of this raw food diet I've just begun; my mind has already started to feel much clearer!
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The things you miss out on... (Score:1)
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Other ads too? (Score:1)
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Desperation? (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, it is interesting step to watch and smells like testing waters before rolling out full ad-based Microsoft Office out.
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Microsoft has been trying to strangle Works (Score:3, Interesting)
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And yes, it sucks far more than previous versions of Works.
Works sucks without ads (Score:1)
And why would a company want to risk alienating customers with placing ads in a computer they just bought?
Having said that, the amount of BS pre-built computers have on them anyway and the fact consumers seem to enjoy getting half of the performance out of their machine they should get because of that leads me to believe customers won't care and would enjoy taking it up the back side
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Works adware NOT eligible for Ms office upgrade (Score:1)
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Wow... I could certainly seeing wanting to save money yourself but to have a OEM company put in ad-supported software you can't even upgrade....wow
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How fast does it uninstall?
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Does it require/use an internet connection?
Not only that, but to protect your children from those horrible, horrible online office suites, we use 95% of your bandwidth at all times!
Are the ads served up in relation to a keyword search?
Yes, but don't worry, we've made deals with companies who use bogus adwords to ensure that you never see something you would care about spending money on (unless it is our product!)
Does it embed ads in output?
Of course! This is just to help you get some income from the documents you create, so you can buy the /real/ version of Works (disclaimer: there is a 100.1% tax of all income earned by you i
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http://openoffice.org/ [openoffice.org]