Guide to DIY Wiretapping 183
Geeks are Sexy writes "ITSecurity.com has a nice piece this week on how wiretapping works and how you can protect yourself from people who wants to snoop into your life. From the article 'Even if you aren't involved in a criminal case or illegal operation, it's incredibly easy to set up a wiretap or surveillance system on any type of phone. Don't be surprised to learn that virtually anyone could be spying on you for any reason.'" Maybe I'm on the wrong track here, but I guess I assumed that wiretapping now happened in secret rooms at the telco, and not by affixing something physically to a wire in your home, but I'll definitely be aware next time I hear a stranger breathing next time I'm stuck on hold.
Hear a stranger breathing? (Score:5, Funny)
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Please provide a transcript of the shopping list my wife just gave me. I think that I may have forgotten to write something down.
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A little knowlege ... (Score:2)
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So rather than mistakenly spreading misinformation, you are now loudly proclaiming your pride in intentionally spreading it. That's great. For the record, it turns out that the world doesn't revolve around you, and I actually don't care if you are proud to lack a clue. My post was specifically to prevent the viral spread of cluelessness. Embrace yours. It seems to really be working for you ;-)
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The hybrid circuit in a phone really isn't about preventing the earpiece from acting as a microphone.
Because of l
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Good luck with all that.
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Well, it's still illegal. Just because the powers that be think they can ignore laws, and have the power to keep from getting prosecuted doesn't change the legality. Maybe someday they'll be brought to justice. Doubt it, though.
Re:It was.. (Score:4, Insightful)
doesn't change the legality. Maybe someday they'll be brought to justice.
legality is only for those of us who are NOT in law enforcement or the government.
you can talk all you want about constitution this or law that; but while you rot in prison being raped by other guys, tell me again how 'illegal'it was that they tapped you.
laws are an abstract concept. being locked away is the farthest thing from being abstract.
they all know this and this is why we are kept in fear (ie, in check).
(lovely country/world we got here, huh?)
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voltage drop (Score:5, Interesting)
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She asked me what was going on and I told her, "Eh, must be the wiretap on my phone."
As far as I can tell, I have not had that problem since that time.
*cue spooky music*
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rj
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You don't need a phone to listen in.. (Score:3, Interesting)
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Back in the days of modems, my REN was about 4.5.
No matter what device they attach, it will modify your REN number and if it's higher than 4, you'll be able to tell.
Re:voltage drop (Score:5, Interesting)
It has nothing to do with talking on the phone.
What you'd want to do is use an inductive microphone or even an inductive loop around the actual cable. It doesn't touch it, and is very difficult to detect if it's nearby the cable... Search for the USS Halibut, and how it tapped a Soviet military underwater cable by using a nearby inductive coil which never interfered with the cable.
Re:voltage drop (Score:5, Interesting)
If you use a normal phone, yes. Until recently I worked in telecoms and we were all issued with a near perfect bugging device - a butt phone with monitor mode. Monitor mode is high-impedance so undetectable without some clever kit. Connect it to the right pair, hit the button and you can listen in undetected at will. You can buy one [nimans.net] for a hundred quid ($200) or so, probably less if you shop around. Monitoring lines was standard practice, albeit briefly, when working on a line - you listen to make sure nobody is using the phone, then dial a test number using the line to make sure it's the right circuit, then do whatever you need to do. You aren't supposed to listen to people's conversations, merely ensure the line isn't in use, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Telecoms cabinets aren't all that secure, it's easy to break in and put a tap in one and with a little care it wouldn't be obvious to an engineer working in the cabinet there was anything amiss. You could make a tap with a microcontroller with an ADC and some external RAM. The hard part would be finding the right pair without access to the phone company records or target's premises.
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You were buggered with a "butt phone"? I hope they didn't bother calling you the next day.
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You must have had a shitty job listening to all of those crappy conversations.
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They also have both a regular and monitor mode. The regular mode makes it work like a normal telephone, with about 600 Ohms impedance, causing a voltage drop. The monitor mode has 100+ kOhms impedance, which will cause a voltage drop low enough to be indistinguishable
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Most of the land line suggestions in that article don't seem to bother with taking care of the noticeable voltage drop caused by adding an extra phone to a call. You can tell when somebody else in your house picks up the phone while you're on it because the person on the other end gets quieter. The same thing would happen if you plugged a phone into the line outside your house. I thought professional surveillance systems did something to make up for this, so there's no noticeable change in volume when the wiretapper starts listening.
I've found that when sharing a phone call with someone (two of us on different phones in the house) that if you held down the mute button, the volume drop pretty much went away. It's worked for me as recently as a year or so ago. With some connections, it's the only thing that makes it possible for either person on the shared line to hear the conversation well.
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Been done (Score:2)
http://slashdot.org/~pegr/journal/180007 [slashdot.org]
No thanks... (Score:5, Funny)
Still, if you're feeling paranoid, by all means check your phones. It's true, nosy neighbors could indeed be spying on you. Never underestimate the average person's voyeurism urges...
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Person 1: I don't have the tickets.
Person 2: You sure?
1: Yes
2: I don't have them.
1: Can you look on my dresser?
2: Ok
1: Find them?
2: Wait a sec...yah, here they are.
1: Can you meet me here with them?
Me: (Sound of scanner being turned off)
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How do you wiretap a cell phone? (Score:2)
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Analog cellphones were incredibly easy to listen to with a scanner, but this is no longer the case since most is digital.
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Didn't think so. It's scary what you can do to someone's cell phone.
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Quite frankly, it's a threat, but no more than the famous slashdot meme: If you have physical access you have root.
Who would abandon their celly? I take mine to the bathroom w/ me. I don't let strangers in my house, and it doesn't leave my pocket unless I am making/recieving a call.
I think this is really just FUD to freak people out. Hey whats that? Why does my phoen blink? Oh, it's just a reply to a post on
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Went out with my wife a couple weeks ago, got a baby sitter. Left our contact numbers with her. She asks "Where's the phone?". Er...
Had to leave my cell phone behind for her to use in case of emergency.
Won't be many more years before my son has friends calling. I either leave him unable to be contacted by phone, let his friends call my cell, or get a land line.
Nope, landlines aren't dead yet and won't be for some time I'm sure.
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A blast from the past (Score:5, Funny)
There we go, no land lines for three area codes... (Score:2)
Stranger things (Score:2)
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"Open up your phone's receiver" (Score:4, Funny)
I can just see the darwin awards (Score:2, Funny)
"Listen to other people's calls through your own basic telephone by hooking up your phone to a part of the original line that runs outside the house of your target."
I can just see the Darwin awards on this one when some idiot mistakes the main power line for a phone line when looking for the "red and green wires". ZAP
Much harder to detect (Score:2)
Disclaimer: I'm not an EE
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Encrypted VOIP not secure... (Score:4, Insightful)
But the computer is even more vulnerable than a phone to bugs. Tons of malware exists that can "own" a computer, which has given rise to an entire new security market. A phone is easy to tell if it has a bug
It also recommends using a cellphone for confidential calls. Just make sure neither provider uses ATT.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype [wikipedia.org]
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Personally, I wouldn't worry about bugs planted inside a phone, except possibly of software variety. How long before this happens with a smart phone? It's much easier to tap the lines for analog phones.
From your friendly phone guy. (Score:2, Funny)
I just want to get this off my chest for most people.... You aren't interesting enough to tap, nobody cares about your private business.
What a load of crap. (Score:5, Informative)
This is great if you're worried about the neighbor kid listening in, but not for anyone serious. Wiretapping is done at the telco level and you can't tell you're being tapped. In the digital age there is no clicking, breathing, voltage drops or any other indication. There is a big long checklist when implementing a CALEA node for making certain there is no way the target can tell they're being monitored.
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Well then thank $DIETY that business conversations never occur outside the secure premises of a place of business. Certainly, what manager, executive, or board member [techlawjournal.com]* would use a home phone line to conduct confidential business.
Dang, I left my sarcasm tags at home this morning.
*Yes, the link is not about phone tapping, it's about pretexting. But note that some of the target phone numbers were home phone lines. If someone can be troubled to illegally access your home phone records for a business investigat
@CmdrTaco: it's worse than you think. (Score:3, Insightful)
It doesn't have to be a government (Score:2)
Wiretapping might happen in a telco if it was a legitimate government operation. If it's a rogue operation, a private investigator or just some stalker, they won't be using the telco company to do it.
WTF?? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Well, they just instated Habeas Corpus at gitmo... and if they declare you to be a terrorist or enemy combatant, you can lose it here... And besides, isn't waterboarding similar to a spa treatment? You can catch up on your R&R and work on your skin at the same time!
Just hope you look good in orange...
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if you want to speak to someone in private (Score:2, Insightful)
if you are upset at your government spying on you, then what strange notion of yours convinced you that an expansive public network would have no spying on it? i'm not talking about the government passing this law or that law about surveillance, i'm talking about the surveillance that woudl happen anyway, regardless
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Leaving your cell phone behind, or pulling the battery out, if you might be the target of a motivated eavesdropper.
Beige boxing: a blast from the past! (Score:2, Informative)
For people in the know, there's an easier method to listen in on calls which is only detectable by the phone company: a Direct Access Test Unit [wikipedia.org] or DATU. Find one of these "secret" numbers on the exchange your victim is on and you have the ability to snoop on their calls using the phone company's own test equipment. Messing with these numbers is also a very quick way to go to jail, but you sorta run that risk with an ille
Wireless phone = more fun (Score:5, Funny)
It completely surprised me the first time I put them on and couldn't get them to tune into the TV's transmitter because all the channels were full of wireless phone conversations.
Sadly, none of my neighbors have any secrets worth listening to. And even worst, most of them seem to have no issues with taking the phone into the shitter with them
In revenge, I've hooked up the transmitter to a cheap dvd player and leave anime porn running on a loop just before going to work, every few days....
Re:Wireless phone = more fun (Score:5, Funny)
But at the end of the day, you're still a dude who owns anime porn. FAIL.
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Be careful not to leave the porn running too loudly, or you may find yourself knowing your neighbors a little more than you wanted:
loud porn consequences [todaystmj4.com].
possible != likely (Score:3, Insightful)
This is old information which didn't ever work properly and is increasingly irrelevant today.
Coming up next: how to get free long-distance by whistling down the phone ...
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If you're in a position where someone might feel motivated to spy on you, for example being a spouse who's constantly "working late" or a reporter publishing damaging leaks, then you probably do have something to lose from having your privacy violated.
Then there's the whole matter of principle. If I found a camera in my shower I'd be pretty ste
Yes, it is done at the telco (Score:2, Informative)
Who remebers the U5 testmode on Motphones? (Score:2, Insightful)
When I was young... (Score:4, Funny)
Oh, the above story? Not me, of course. When I say I, I'm talking about someone else I heard stories about, of course. I'd never do anything remotely approaching illegal, such as making long distance phone calls on other people's lines. That's crazy!
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DIY wire tapping? (Score:5, Funny)
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Listen for breathing??? (Score:5, Funny)
More useful (Score:3, Informative)
Rampant paranoia??? (Score:2)
Obligatory quote from "Spy Game":
Secretary: Feeling a little paranoid on our last day?
Muir: When did Noah build the ark? Before the rain. Before the rain.
stop glossing over Skype's problem (Score:4, Interesting)
I sometimes feel bad about flaming Skype [slashdot.org]. They really are more resistant to eavesdropping than most everything else, and it's nice they used AES256. They almost got it right.
But saying it's mathematically impossible to crack 'em is bullshit, because Skype's design is flawed (in at least one way that we know of -- and there's a lot we don't know about it, because it's closed and hasn't been really audited by crypto-nerds -- that's Skype first problem). AES256 is useless if the key itself has been compromised by MitM, and Skype's design allows that (that's Skype's second problem). Skype depends on a central server [wikipedia.org] to introduce identities to one another, and that central point is potentially subject to compromise (or coercion). There's no reason VoIP users can't (in many cases, at least) cert each other directly, but unfortunately, that's not how Skype works.
Skype can be tapped, and all this talk about how its heavy crypto prevents that, is a smokescreen. AES is believed to be a strong link in this chain, but don't forget that we're talking about a chain.
STU Phones? (Score:2, Interesting)
My Conversation with the NSA (Score:2, Interesting)
So I'm sitting in a bookstore, and she calls. Right in the middle of the call there is a strange squeaking noise, reminiscent
Who's Interested In What You're Saying? (Score:3, Insightful)
There have been numerous instances of "terrorist sympathizers" who hunt around online for people who say things they don't like, about their religion, their objectives, etc. They attempt to shut the blog down, even to discover the identity of the blogger to cause further trouble.
Can you imagine if this grew to further proportion, where you would be in danger of being "discovered" by some amateur terrorist or terrorists, who decided to make your life a living hell, or even to cut it short?
Sure, you had Theo van Gogh [nytimes.com] killed because he made a film that "they" didn't like, but what if they start aiming a bit "lower" on the food chain, start cyberstalking and tapping the phone lines of some guy who's an outspoking blogger or letter-to-the-editor afficianado?
How do you protect yourself at that level of obscurity?
Um, hello? Our conversations put everyone to sleep (Score:2)
Same goes for me. If I'm too pumped up from a programming breakthrough to get to sleep, I'll ask my Engineer or Project Manager friend what they did that day.