New .tel TLD Now In Use 175
rockwood reports that the
.tel top level domain has been deployed, "in a first attempt at pushing the recently approved .tel... The top-level domain .tel was approved by ICANN as a sponsored TLD launching on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 to trademark owners of national effect and on February 3, 2009 to anyone who wishes to apply. Its main purpose is as a single management and publishing point for 'internet communication' services, providing a global contacts directory service by housing all types of contact information directly in the DNS."
I want royalties (Score:2, Funny)
http://in.tel/ [in.tel]
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Bartel/M
Bechtel/M
betel/MS
cartel/SM
chattel/MS
Christel/M
Chrystel/M
Estel/M
Gretel/M
hostel/SZGMRD
hotel/MS
Intel/M
Itel/M
Kristel/M
lintel/SM
mantel/SM
Martel/M
Mattel/M
motel/MS
muscatel/MS
pastel/MS
Patel/M
Re:I want royalties (Score:5, Funny)
It doesn't have to be a proper spelling. hoe.tel!
Re:I want royalties (Score:5, Funny)
hoe.tel!
AKA craigslist.org/services/erotic
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Funny on so many levels, oh I wish I had mod points today, I'd send you them all :D
-tel present in slavic words. (Score:2, Informative)
Many Bulgarian (and maybe other slavic) words end with -tel. The proto-slavic suffix -tel means "doer of the action", similarly to the -er in English.
However, IANAP(hilologist) :)
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Huh? (Score:4, Interesting)
Is anybody else shrugging their shoulders and asking the same question of: What the hell is the point in wasting DNS space for such a half-assed crap idea?
Re:Huh? (Score:5, Interesting)
Its main purpose is as a single management and publishing point for 'internet communication' services ...
And right from the get-go it's main purpose is overshadowed by some every Telnic employee's desire to be THE Henry on the .tel TLD. That must be awfully helpful to us in our need for 'internet communication' services.
More garbage for the tubes, I guess.
What the hell is the point in wasting DNS space
Are we really concerned about "DNS space?" I guess I'm a bit of an idiot when it comes to why we need to be concerned about 'space' on DNS names ... perhaps you mean IP address space? And if so, people are basically flushing those down the toilet by giving every device one (including their toilet).
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"As the number of domains that point to the same IP address increases, so does the number of pointless DNS requests."
No, they don't. It does increase the number of pointless DNS registers, but not the number of requests. Or once you reach www.example.com will you search out of curiosity if per chance www.example.net does exist too? As a general matter, in order to reach any given resource you launch just one (batch of a) query, no matter how many registers does point to that same resource.
TLD Diversity is Good (Score:2)
There are three basic numbers of gTLDs we can support - a few, a few hundred to few thousand, and near-infinite.
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why do we have more tld's anyway? Comcast will need both comcast.com and comcast.tel anyway. And the end user experience is the same between "company.tel" and "companytel" with an implied.com.
Why do we still allow this to happen?
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As the number of domains that point to the same IP address increases, so does the number of pointless DNS requests.
I see that I'm not the only one that has set his DNS to try to resolve host.domain.$TLD for each and every $TLD in existence. Then it just picks an address at random and returns it.
It makes the network much more interesting. So they are *not* pointless requests.
It's a money-grab... (Score:2)
Yeah, I know "dur - of course it's a money-grab".. but I really wish that the various organizations involved would just come out and say so as well.. "We will allow any TLD as long as you give us enough money and it doesn't offend governments too much."
Apart from john.doe.tel - check out friends.jennifer-aniston.hollywood.celebrity.tel .
Now, it's possible somebody actually registered that (for $$$ - how much $$$ I don't know as you apparently have to sign up first.. whatthe.) but I'm just going to go with t
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These all seem to follow a template. Obviously Telnic told all its people to create domains to help publicize the product. Teensy little mistake: the pages do nothing to obfuscate personal email addresses. Got spam?
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Furthermore, it removes some of its use case to have privacy configuration on a universally accessible directory. It sort of depends if its locked to devices
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Video explains it in detail. They request a login username and password to view your information. You authorize them. You have full control over which items appear to which people you've authorized.
It's still crap, but it's there.
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slashdot users need a bit more technical info:
http://rikkles.blogspot.com/2008/05/privacy-in-tel.html [blogspot.com]
Privacy is very simple yet very powerful:
Essentially you 1024-bit encrypt your phone number with your friend's public key and store it in a unique subdomain for your friend. So only your friend knows where to get the info, and only he's got the private key.
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MY toilet doesnt need an IP address. NAT is fine...
but it does twitter...
11:43 @lumpytoilet -- Dog drinks from bowl
12:14 @lumpytoilet -- seat put down
12:28 @lumpytoilet -- FLushed
12:29 @lumpytoilet -- FLushed
12:30 @lumpytoilet -- FLushed
12:31 @lumpytoilet -- FLushed
12:32 @lumpytoilet -- Plunger RFID detected
12:33 @lumpytoilet -- Water on floor detected
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I'm actually looking forward to the more creative uses of .tel like "william.tel", "canyou.tel" "icant.tel", "whocan.tel", etc.
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Mostly over 500 Telnic employees grabbing henry.tel and david.tel.
If I had known, I would have picked up WILLIAM.TEL
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http://celebrity.tel/ [celebrity.tel]
WTF?
You can navigate further in that "hierarchy" of shit.
http://images.gisele-bundchen.models.celebrity.tel/ [celebrity.tel]
Umm, was this the intended purpose?
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I'm the henry.tel there...
I really don't care about the domain name itself. You can have it. (in fact it is available right now). The point is that I don't want people to have obsolete info about me.
So I need to store it somewhere it's always easily accessible by anyone. Thus the Internet. But I also need to make sure no one stops that service, as this is critical to me. It needs to stay with me hopefully till I die. Thus the need for a TLD.
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Actually, an internet-connected fridge I can kind of see, now that we've got various forms of wireless internet in so many places. Connect to the fridge's HTTP server, it turns on the interior light, takes snapshots of what's on each shelf, and serves them back as a webpage. Now I *know* what's in my fridge, instead of trying to remember while I'm at the grocery store. (Granted, eight years ago it was kind of silly, since there wireless internet was much less common.)
However, an internet connected toaste
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What about a simple way for Internet connected devices to broadcast to the local network "Oh Poop, I'm on fire." Your router hears the ping, and routes a message to your e-mail and SMS.
It would be nice to hear about catastrophic failures.
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It's a refrigerator - shouldn't everything be at the same temperature, thus negating the usefulness of thermal imaging? And in my case, since it's just my wife and I at our house, keeping a lot of stuff in the fridge isn't a good idea, as lots of it will go bad before we get around to eating it, so one camera per shelf would be enough. I can see how for many people it would be, at best, insufficient, and for many, useless, since they have fridges so packed that the camera would only ever get a shot from a
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As demonstrated by, for example, Tesco's online shop here, you can still encourage impulse purchasing online. You just need to advertise appropriate products and offers while the customer browses for what they want. Linking it to a loyalty card and tracking what the customer has bought before allows you to suggest offers that would interest them and hence make them buy more.
Works on me. Too well, sometimes.
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Why would you need a camera when an RFID gun can just ping all the things within range?
One RFID gun in the fridge and you are done. Of course it does nothing for things like "how full are you, Orange Juice?"
and "how old are you, Sour Cream?" but I'll leave those details to the implementer. handwave. handwave.
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How old are you is fine, because the RFID tag can have the best before date on it.
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Well...I think it's funny...and silly to have a toaster or even fridge connected to the internet.
But where do you draw the "silly" line?
Right now, practically every device in my entertainment rack has an IP address (DVRs, media players, TV, etc.). My web cams all have IP addresses. I see that some recent GPS units have IP connectivity (not things like cell phones with GPS, but standalone GPS).
I wouldn't mind if my furnace or air conditioner were connected, as long as the IP interface is secondary to old-fashioned ways of controlling them.
A toaster or fridge seems silly right now, but who knows about
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Half-assed indeed (Score:3, Interesting)
I can understand something like the .XXX tld, for the purpose of openly idenfitying what a site is (and ease in blocking porn sites in school LAN's and such), but otherwise, creating this raft of tld's is a really silly idea. We've just now gotten to the point where most users don't think everything ends in "dot com". The proposed system of hyper-classification won't be a boon to anyone but domain squatters and con artists. And for the non-technical public, it'll be just plain confusing.
Even as quickly as i
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I can understand something like the .XXX tld, for the purpose of openly idenfitying what a site is (and ease in blocking porn sites in school LAN's and such)
Yes, because it is absolutely impossible for anyone to figure out "who is" the owner of a blocked domain name and IP address, and then browse to that host by IP address. Especially teenage children, who demographically are the most inept computer users.
Seriously, the justification provided for the XXX TLD was not half-assed. As far as ideas go, it was more like an infected blackhead on the surface of an inflamed haemorrhoid attached to the prolapsed sphincter of whatever was left of the ass.
Frankly, you sho
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Well actually they used to be arranged that way (like newsgroups, from general to specific), but it was reversed in, I dunno, 1993 or so. I remember when I started at university in 1995 it was still possible to send emails to people with the domain arranged that way round.
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I believe Gopher was like that. That's digging deep though and might be wrong, since I haven't used gopher in probably 15 years.
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Icann profits are never a half assed idea
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You can call it half-assed and crap, but I would contend that DNS is actually totally wasted today. It's a phenomenal distributed data store that's barely used to point a name to a couple of IP addresses. .tel we're actually starting to use the DNS for what it was build for.
With
(I work with Telnic)
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It's the other way around. .tel and you publish in it your sip, xmpp, voip, im, etc... .tel. He'll be able to see and choose which communication channel he prefers to use to communicate with you.
You get your
Then when you meet someone and want to give him your info, you simply give him your
.mobi? (Score:3, Insightful)
sounds like .mobi. And probably as irrelevant.
Re:.mobi? (Score:5, Funny)
he got a whole TLD to himself? awesome...
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTLD) .mobe was created at the same time as .cat, .jobs, .post, .tel, and .travel.
imagine owning www.steve.jobs. I vote for a .koelker gTLD ;)
On a less serious note, imagine www.lol.cat...
Just in under the wire (Score:3, Insightful)
Brilliantly "I CANN but I shouldn't" manages to win the dumbest, stupidest, most pointless idea of the whole sodding year.
I mean just having a "standard" of I don't know VCF and using MIMEtypes from a web page would give you the ability to do this sort of connectivity address book stuff within the existing infrastructure. Now the idea is that everyone should register an equivalent .tel (errrr how do they do that when there are different companies at the .com, .net, .org, .co.uk, .fr etc addresses).
Quite astonishingly badly stupid and I applaud their genius by making sure it will be in everyone's mind as the "worst idea of 2008" is compiled. The only person who might be happy about this is the 2000-2007 undisputed winning partnership of Bush/Cheney for their "Threatening China", "What Torture?" "What WMD?" "Mission Accomplished", "What problems in Iraq?" and many other household favourites.
As my mother said "Just because 'you can' doesn't mean 'you should'". I propose a name change to ICANN to "Please god no we can't be trusted with this responsibility"
too late (Score:2, Insightful)
all these one-roof TLDs would maybe have been worth something if they were there from the beginning. But everyone wants a .com because everything on the interwebz is a www.*.com or .org for organizations as if it lent credence to their validity. It's just far too late now and serves little use, and practically no guarantee of homogeneity.
wish i could tag (Score:4, Funny)
Uh, what? (Score:4, Insightful)
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The point is to make money for the registrars, of course, since now every major web site will have to register foo.tel to go along with foo.com, foo.org, foo.biz, foo.info,......
Re:Uh, what? (Score:4, Interesting)
Aren't we beyond the point of "must own every tld in existence" by now?
I lived through that in my old company. They literally wanted all TLDs, not only for the primary name but also for most spelling mistakes. And for country-specific spelling mistakes (french people might make different mistakes than english people).
Consequently they had 1-2 fulltime employees doing nothing but domain registration and babysitting. Yes, domains do need babysitting when you're literally owning thousands of them from all countries of the world. Ever deciphered a russian expiry notice? Or tried to establish an office in some arabic country only so that you are allowed to buy a domain from them?
Long story short: Most sane businesses should have realized by now that they really only need the standard set (.com/.net/.org), plus the country TLDs for the countries where they're actually doing business. Everything else is wasted money. If someone squats your name on some obscure foreign TLD then so what? Ignore them or sue them into oblivion (trademark!) if they try to pull off scams in your name.
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Most sane businesses should have realized by now that they really only need the standard set (.com/.net/.org),
plus the country TLDs for the countries where they're actually doing business.
What about expansion, though?
What if there's a company that is currently US-only but may want to expand to other countries such as France, Japan, Germany, etc.?
If they buy the TLDs for those countries, okay, maybe they waste a few bucks a year per domain if they don't use them anytime soon.
Imagine if there was no yourbusiness.co.jp because they never operated in Japan before. Get popular enough, and that domain goes from $10 to $1,000 or more. That $1,000 could buy at least 100 domains for a year.
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Well, it obviously depends on the business we talk about and the likelyhood of them expanding to japan.
If a country is on your definate roadmap then, by all means, get the domain early.
Ofcourse there's also no reason to buy the domains of the 10 or so most important countries, just in case.
Just keep it in proportion. My former company is literally spending tens of thousands of dollars yearly, on domains that they'll never use.
Many foreign domains are fairly expensive, ranging from hundred bucks a year up to
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Most sane businesses should have realized by now that they really only need the standard set (.com/.net/.org), plus the country TLDs for the countries where they're actually doing business.
I really cannot comprehend why one would want a ccTLD. com/net/org work just fine. In fact com/org are all we need, anything else is not needed IMO. Is it so difficult to set up a com/org and put a menu or homepage there asking the user the language and geography they want to use? For direct access use language/geography subdomains like en.example.org. Internet is supposed to be a world-wide medium, so I really see no value in maintaining domain names limiting you to a specific geography. Internet is
Enum (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yes.. and why do I even bother having me@example.com coming through to my VoIP phone wherever I am, along with email and OpenID? SRV and MX records are doing nicely for now.
So tell me, why again do we need .tel?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENUM [wikipedia.org]
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Uh, didn't this used to be called Enum? (e164.arpa.)?
Given a phone number, ENUM told you how to reach that person. .tel seems to be a hierarchy, (badly) organized by names, occupations, locations, and whatever else they felt like using to answer the same question when you don't have the phone number.
What happened to .net? (Score:2, Insightful)
YAY! Just what we needed! (Score:4, Funny)
I think the part that gets me the most angry is, have you ever tried to tell someone your email address over the phone when it doesn't end in com/org/edu? My company was apparently late to market with their webpage, so we have a 20 character dot com address and an incredibly short
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As if we don't have enough TLD's already
Can you get your last name.com or .anything? I snagged mcgrew.info when .info frst came ou, but let it lapse. I doubt seriously I could get it back.
IMO we have no where near enough TLDs.
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Well, we already have .name [wikipedia.org] for that sort of thing.
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You misunderstand what I mean. If you have a TLD for .food and another tld for .aero, mcdonald.food could take you to McBurgers, while mcdonald.aero would take you to McDonald Aircraft.
mcgrew.nerd might take you to me, while mcgrew.funny would take you to the comedian with my name. I'm not suggesting that "mcgrew" be a TLD, just that there aren't enough TLDs to go around. I don't think five is a nearly big anough group.
Yet my lastname.com is not available
That's because the squatters took every goddamned nam
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"That's because the squatters took every goddamned name on earth back in the nineties."
Squatters... or other people like yourself?
By this I'm referring to:
"mcgrew.nerd might take you to me"
Sure, it might... but what would another nerdy mcgrew think of that? Or would you suggest they take mcgrew.theothernerd?
The whole debate hinges on extremes... either we should limit the things to ccTLDs and the original 5 (uhh.. 4?).. or, if we're going to allow the whole .museum , .aero, .tel, .andsoforth.. then we shou
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Seriously, if there even was a .dic TLD, would you want to be there???
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I'm sure grammar/spelling fascists would find it appealing.
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"I'm sure grammar/spelling fascists would find it appealing."
So would the porn industry.
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I wouldn't want to be there but I can think of several people I would recommend to be moved...
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Hell, it's even worse now that every two-bit wannabe mail administrator thinks he can block .info because "nobody uses it but spammers". I've talked with these people. They're like "get a gmail account. It's free." Free -- sure, but nevermind the investment I've made in having nice, short contact info. If you hadn't broken your mail system, I wouldn't have to go to this extra effort to deal with your idiocy.
-l
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I would be very wary about doing business with someone who had a .biz domain in a way I wouldn't with a .com, as .biz tends to be used by spammers and scammers.
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loldomains (Score:4, Funny)
Itteh Bitte ICANN Comittee (Score:2)
ICANNhas.cheezburger?
Only on www.lol.cat ;)
correction (Score:2)
-metric
.wtf tld lol (Score:5, Funny)
I think we should register the .WTF TLD and use it as a "parody TLD for anyone who wants to mock a trademark"
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Dibs on tel.WTF!
Way to go, ICANN (Score:2)
What problem are they trying to solve here?
Wikipedia entry (Score:2, Informative)
Am I the only one who thinks the Wikipedia entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tel - reads like a Telnic (sponsor of the TLD) press release, complete with obligatory positive quotes?
Industry experts were positive to the demonstrations, with comments in blogs including author of Net Attitude[5] and founder member of the W3C John R. Patrick stated "I think this will be a big deal."
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Look at the edit history [wikipedia.org] - almost all from a "Justinhayward". There just happens to be a Communications Director @ Telnic named Justin Hayward...
Look you can even see his new .tel page [justin.tel]
Given that usage, block all mail from .tel (Score:2)
Given that the purported usage of .tel is for non-mail applications, all mail from ".tel" should be blocked. Don't even accept a SMTP connection.
Incorrect -- email allowed, but not web (Score:2)
That is incorrect. .tel specifically allows for MX records to be created in the second level .tel zone.
However, the biggest difference between this TLD and all others is that no A or AAAA records are allowed, unless they point to the TelNic webservers.
So you can run your own email under .tel, but not your own website.
Domain squatting, here I come! (Score:2)
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Except of course that "in" is extremely vague, ignoring the fact that you get "Intel" with a period in the middle. All he has to do is put up a site that's valid for non-intel, non-squatting purposes (it writes itself... "Here's the INformation about me and my website"). Guess what, now it's a coincidence it's almost "Intel".
Course, MikeRoweSoft's website was shut down, so y'never know.
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I'm confused. (Score:2)
If I got a .tel would I be required to use it as prescribed, or would I be free to put whatever I like? The current example pages remind me of those placeholder pages the squatters use, and based on that I expect this will be a sea of noninformation by the end of next year. [largeco.tel]
In addition to .tel (Score:2)
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.tel someone who cares.
What a racket (Score:3, Interesting)
1. Come up with new TLD
2. Watch corporations flock to register theirname.tel because they can't afford for squatters to get there first
3. ??
4. Profit!
Repeat every time you feel the need for a new revenue stream.
Nice work if you can get it.
How is this different from .name? (Score:3, Interesting)
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.name is just for "personal name-based" domain names, with no specific rules on what data is provided through such a domain name. It's supposed to be some sort of a personal web site, but it does not need to be. This .tel thing is different - it's point is to encode your personal information, in a strictly defined format, directly in the DNS entry for your domain. So it's more like a vCard database on top of DNS.
I still don't understand why it is supposed to be a good idea, though.
Hungry Net squatters want... (Score:2)
For Reference... [texmex.net]
So close! (Score:2)
I want the domain 'domain.tld' so badly...*sigh*
Premium cost?! (Score:2)
So I looked up costs for pre-ordering from Netfirms.ca and it was $379 for 3 years. Quite comparable, don't you think?
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I want a .nerd TLD so I can register mcgrew.nerd
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.tel pricing (Score:3, Informative)
from TelNic: "Registry will charge a USD$275 fee for an initial mandatory three (3) year term for each Domain Name registered as a consequence of any Landrush registration."
Now, if you wait until Open Registration, then you only pay $8 per year.
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No auctions.
Also no 2-letter domains (ICANN rule).
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You have to have privacy (i.e. data encryption with managed keypairs) and you have to know that the (sub)domain has the NAPTR records for communications. .tel ensures that your data in the .tel is properly set up. .tel has nothing to do with other TLDs except for the fact that you can buy your domain. It uses the DNS infrastructure in a totally different way: you don't connect computers to computers via A/CNAME records, but you connect people to people with NAPTR records.
Having a