Why the Mediterranean Is the Net's Achilles' Heel 195
An anonymous reader writes "A spate of broken cables has brought disruption for many of the world's Web users in 2008 — and the Med has been at the center of the problems. For political reasons, the Mediterranean Sea is an Internet bottleneck through which the majority of traffic between Europe and Asia is squeezed. That traffic must run the gauntlet of earthquakes and heavy maritime traffic to reach its destination. Better and stronger cables are urgently needed to avoid a re-occurrence of the 2008 outages."
Internet Mythology 101 (Score:5, Funny)
Why the Mediterranean Is the Net's Achilles' Heel
Becuase Radia Perlman [slashdot.org] held the Internet by the Mediterranean when she dipped it into the river Styx [wikipedia.org]?
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It sounds more like this is the internet's jugular vein or carotid artery than the achilles heel, just to pointlessly analyze the metaphor. I would think the achilles heel would be people who still don't know not to click the monkey or open attachments from addresses they don't know.
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I would think the achilles heel would be people.
There. Fixed that for you.
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Becuase Radia Perlman held the Internet by the Mediterranean when she dipped it into the river Styx?
Goodness gracious. I can't believe that after all these millennia that people still haven't learned the most basic lesson of the story of Achilles: When dipping something into the Styx, use tongs so you can dip it all the way without getting your hand wet!
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Re:Internet Mythology 101 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Internet Mythology 101 (Score:5, Funny)
Don't they teach you kids Greek Mythology anymore?
That was the movie with Brad Pitt in it, right? I saw that and 300...what more do I need to know? :)
Re:Internet Mythology 101 (Score:5, Funny)
You need to rent Clash of the Titans to complete your education.
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You need to rent Clash of the Titans to complete your education.
You know, I remembered that, and Animal House (a documentary about Greek life) right after I posted.
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Three words my young padawan:
Meet the Spartans.
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No, because of physics, geology, geography and politics.
I liked the conspiracy theories better. Rational thought isn't all that much fun sometimes.
I liked the coincidence theories better. Rational thought isn't all that much fun sometimes.
The only "proof" that these lines weren't cut intentionally was that two ships were detained in Dubai (of all places) and forced to pay $10,000 to be allowed to leave.
It didn't cover the fact that the Egyptian government sent out a press release saying that they had video footage of an area where the cable was cut and it showed no ships.
Questioning the official version of events isn't a "conspiracy theory." Conspirac
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Re:Internet Mythology 101 (Score:5, Funny)
I saw a program about a guy that was actually taken prisoner for stumbling onto a fairly major conspiracy in order to keep him quiet. He had discovered that flu vaccine was being tainted in order to send people into a shopping frenzy just before the holiday season. He was taken to an island with others that had stumbled onto various things that couldn't be allowed to slip into public knowledge (the secret for turning water into gasoline, etc).
IIRC, he escaped on a boat built by another prisoner (Number 6) that was built out of toilet paper and scabs. It was small and smelly, but carried him to safety.
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There's no island, just the state of Nebraska. Have you ever really met anyone from 'Nebraska' or 'Omaha'?
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Oh, sure, I'm certain the government has the internet monitored, so that any time the word 'Nebraska' is seen, they have some reply, if needed, to prove there's regular people in/from 'Nebraska'.
Now, I've personally met folks from North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas (my wife!), Wyoming, Missouri, Iowa, etc. But never met anyone from 'Nebraska'. I think, during WWII, they sent everyone over seas or to Army bases in CA and, with an empty state, started using it as a really large version of Area 51. Who knows w
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Actually, come to think of it, anything on this list [wikipedia.org] would qualify as a conspiracy and, until being proved out, anyone suggesting the truth would have looked like a conspiracy theory nutjob.
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This definition sets us up for a long argument trying to classify edge cases, which may or may not result in me demonstrating a nice clean example of something that you class as a conspiracy theory later being shown to be factual. That would be an interesting point to make, but not one that I'm willing to spend a bunch of time researching right now.
I'm much more interested in cases where things that do not meet that def
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Re:Internet Mythology 101 (Score:4, Funny)
Be fair now... In the 60s and 70s, everyone was "funding mind control research" using LSD.
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hurray slow work day
Be careful, too many slow work days and you might find yourself with all the googling time you ever needed and then some.
not stronger cables... bigger mines attached ;) (Score:2)
no mystery who cuts a cable when they sink at the same time, is there? a few of those, the marked cable routes will be avoided.
Re:not stronger cables... bigger mines attached ;) (Score:4, Funny)
2. hire ships to "drop anchor" on internet cables
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!
Jeez. (Score:5, Insightful)
In the 90s it was backhoes. Now it's giant cable-eating squid. What next, volcanic eruptions? Really, the problem is two-fold -- first, cables break. Hey, it's several thousand miles long and several thousand feet down, and it's just laying there. Of course it's going to break. You could make the cables out of Unobtainium and they will still wither and break eventually. It's a fact of life. The real problem isn't that they fail, the problem is that the telecommunications companies don't have redundant links because of the expense. So, in summary, the problem is economics. And Cthulu. But you can't stop one of the great old ones, so let's focus on redundant links instead. -_-
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In the 90s it was backhoes. Now it's giant cable-eating squid. What next, volcanic eruptions? Really, the problem is two-fold -- first, cables break
Great point. I suggest lasers.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/07/14/lucent_highlights_laser_networking_system/ [theregister.co.uk]
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However, using what the company calls Dense Wave Division Multiplexing (DWDM) technology, the system will eventually operate at 10Gbps for distances up to five kilometers
Your cunning plan, I don't think you've thought it through.
Re:Jeez. (Score:5, Insightful)
He Who Lies Dead but Dreaming has no part to play in the damage to undersea cables, I have this on good authority. The Telcos are actually agents of Cthulhu (duh! -- you should know this by now if you've ever called telco tech support); the internet is just one of his dreams, which will serve to increase chaos and drive us all to madness.
Seriously, though, blaming the problem on economics is a copout. Why are costs to lay redundant cables so high? What can be done to convince the telcos that laying redundant cables is a good idea? What can tip the CBA to the B side?
(br>There are lots of reasons a truly redundant system is prohibitively expense. The cost of negotiating rights-of-way through multiple nations, for example. The increased costs to shipping (external cost to the telcos) from avoiding cable paths (and this is magnified with true redundancy, since redundant cables should not follow the same path). The costs of running and maintaining landlines in politically unstable areas. And, not least of all, the costs in materials, capital, and labor to run redundant lines.
The way to tip the scale in favor of running redundant lines is to either reduce the cost of doing so, or increase the benefit from doing so. How much money do the telcos lose when a line goes down? Over time, is that more than the cost of running redundant lines?
So yes, it's economics, but saying it's economics is glossing over the important details.
Re:Jeez. (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously, though, blaming the problem on economics is a copout.
Not all of us type "KeyserSoze 10000" at the console whenever faced with a gold shortage.
Why are costs to lay redundant cables so high?
Perhaps designing something that is several thousand miles long, and under several hundred PSI of pressure, to lay at the bottom of an environment that contains sulphuric acid plumbs, volcanic pits, and large numbers of angry monsters, is not easy.
What can be done to convince the telcos that laying redundant cables is a good idea? What can tip the CBA to the B side?
Threats of violence, regulation, and regular bombing of the opposition has worked well for us in other areas.
How much money do the telcos lose when a line goes down? Over time, is that more than the cost of running redundant lines?
Obviously, it is not more than the cost of running redundant lines or they would have done so by now.
So yes, it's economics, but saying it's economics is glossing over the important details.
Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...
Re:Jeez. (Score:5, Funny)
So yes, it's economics, but saying it's economics is glossing over the important details.
Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...
I'm with you so far, but then what?
Backup links (Score:2)
The current model is that most providers lease space from a competitor for the time it takes to repair their own link. That's a hell of a lot cheaper than laying extra cable, or allowing your service to go completely dead. Ownership of the cable (like terrestrial lines) is a web of consortiums and leaseholds that make the cost of providing some redundancy a lot less than 2X.
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Actually, it doesn't take an anchor per se to cut a cable. If the anchor is tethered by a steel wire cable instead of a chain, the steel cable will chew right through the fiber-optic cable, no matter how many layers of armor it has. The anchor itself doesn't have to do the cutting.
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The real problem isn't that they fail, the problem is that the telecommunications companies don't have redundant links because of the expense.
Last time this came up, somebody in the field posted that the cables just aren't shielded in most locations, because of the expense. There are apparently best practices that have certain pipes or something wrapped around the cables in anchor areas, and certain depths they're supposed to bury the cables at, but they just skip those parts.
They obviously feel it's cheap
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They obviously feel it's cheaper to settle the terms of their SLA's than lay cable properly. So, customers need to demand better (more expensive) SLA's and that equation can change.
It's difficult to demand a higher SLA without paying outrageous prices or the provider saying "Hey, industry standard. Deal with it"
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It's difficult to demand a higher SLA without paying outrageous prices or the provider saying "Hey, industry standard. Deal with it"
Yeah, everybody would have to do it together.
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heh (Score:5, Funny)
I never had any issues any of the times this happened. I was able to do all the stuff I normally do and visit all the sites I normally visits. This leads me to conclude that the solution is rather simple. The people who are affected by these outages should do something.
easy fix (Score:5, Funny)
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You can maybe do that between Gibraltar and Morocco, but then you have the problem of getting the Spanish and Gibraltar governments to agree to a cable across their border.
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The Mediterranean is in the middle of the world. Any route that doesn't go through it is longer, and thus costs more. HTH!
Overstated consequences (Score:4, Insightful)
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If India was cut off, that would be a major problem for all the companies that have outsourced call centre and tech jobs to them, and for their customers.
Re:Overstated consequences (Score:4, Interesting)
That'll teach companies to move their jobs overseas. Those companies(and their overpaid executives) can cry a river to the employees they laid off only to give their jobs to India. Mods: I ask you to think about this before you mod me down, but if you want to waste your points, I don't give a fuck!
Re:Overstated consequences (Score:5, Interesting)
I considered modding you down, but decided to comment instead.
I understand your sentiment, but what you're ultimately suggesting is that we eliminate access to the internet for any country with a cheap labor pool. This punishes the citizens of those countries more than it does the execs of the major corporations that exploit them.
This story is about an international communications issue. If you want to talk about labor issues I would say this:
There are many powerful people trying to make protectionism a dirty word, if we want to fight them we have to be specific in our demands on who deserves Free Trade agreements or gets Preferred Trade Status. Protecting workers rights "over there" means increasing labor costs "over there" and makes them less appealing than local workers when you factor in communications and shipping costs (environmental protections should also figure into that equation). When they can treat their employees humanely, pay them a living wage, stop tainting the local water supply and still afford to send products to our markets cheaper than we can, then they deserve those jobs and we don't.
The problem is that we've spotted our competitors a huge advantage by not holding them to any of the standards we hold ourselves to. Which means we tied our own hands, or maybe slit our own throats.
Re:Overstated consequences (Score:5, Interesting)
I heard it as a complaint that the CEOs are looking to short-term gains and not counting the very real risk that network connectivity from the US to India may be impaired at some points. If they didn't examine and account for that risk in their calculations, then they are incompetent or liars (or both).
When they can treat their employees humanely, pay them a living wage, stop tainting the local water supply and still afford to send products to our markets cheaper than we can, then they deserve those jobs and we don't.
Which is why the US should have tarrifs on a per-country basis related to worker conditions and environmental care. If they "externalize" industry cost by dumping toxins rather than cleaning or storing them, then we should increase the cost here by that amount. They can pay for good practices or we will charge them so that they would be making the same if they did.
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It works both ways as long as so much depends on some little string threaded through the Ocean. Companies could stay rooted in one nation and deal with the ups and downs(with the benefits of academia and defense employment), or they could constantly go in circles chasing the cheap through constant relocation.
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or they could constantly go in circles chasing the cheap through constant relocation.
I bet you a Coke this will always happen. For example, I put forward the Dell facility in Ireland that was closed because they moved the plant to Poland because of cheaper costs.
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Say some organization wants to reduce offshoring in the US, as a means of stimulating employment in the US.
Say that one way to 'encourage' bringing offshore jobs back onshore is to limit the benefits (or increase the costs) of offshoring.
Say that there is a small number of vulnerable points, that disabling of would greatly increase costs/reduce benefits of offshoring.
Say that the organization mentioned above has access to the greatest naval materiel in the
Three words (Score:2)
Redundant routes duh
Gauntlet != Gantlet (Score:2, Informative)
Arrrrgggghhhh! From Bartleby.com:
A gauntlet is "a heavy glove, often armored" or "a glove with a heavy cuff covering part of the arm." To throw down the gauntlet is to challenge someone; to pick up the gauntlet is to accept someone's challenge.
A gantlet is "a lane between two lines of people armed with staves or whips, through which someone being punished is forced to run while being clubbed or whipped by the people on either side" (run the gantlet) and, figuratively, "any series of trials and difficulties.
Tell that to Clint Eastwood (Score:2)
I am torn... (Score:2)
Torn between being happy knowing how to use the word properly, but having (yet) ANOTHER thing about which to be a grammar nazi.
So thank you, but only a little bit. No, slightly less than that.
Re:Gauntlet != Gantlet (Score:5, Informative)
Actually gauntlet is the preferred spelling for both, although the etymology behind the use of gauntlet for punishment is different (the first meaning is from French, the second from Spanish). Gantlet is also correct, although archaic, for both.
See: gauntlet [thefreedictionary.com].
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According to the all-powerful Google:define [google.com] (and the Oxford Dictionary [askoxford.com]), gantlet appears to be an alternative spelling of Gauntlet. They do, in fact, mean the same thing(s).
Thanks for playing, though.
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Sort of like the Klingon Rite of Ascencion, then?
Actually, Bartleby Says [bartleby.com]:
So, if you can't go wrong, I'm not
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optical links (Score:5, Funny)
Due to the distance and bandwidth needed, powerful lasers would be needed.
Since vast stretches of open water need to be covered, an aquatic platform would be needed, one that could be repositioned for optimal spacing or to avoid obstacles.
Unlike other gratuitous mentions, this really is a case were we could use some frikin sharks, with frikin lasers mounted on their heads.
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Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society?
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Great.
All the Terrorists need is a few buckets of dead fish to disrupt the Intarweb.
O Brave Achilles (Score:4, Funny)
Don't worry, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia! I know your Internet access hangs rather perilously, but calm yourself! I've written a song about it!
(somber, drum beat a la "Ballad of the Green Berets")
O Brave Achilles
Your packets spill
Through the Black Sea
and the Dardanelles
A hero bold
So proud and true
The finest bits
Traverse his tubes
But when the Fates
Judge the big wet
Will their fell looms
Cut the Internet?
(LUTE SOLO)
Re:O Brave Achilles (Score:5, Funny)
Every song should have a lute solo.
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lute solo
Is that Han's younger brother?
Uncharted (Score:5, Informative)
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Those cables must have been laid by amateurs. The lengths cable-layers normally go to accurately chart their cables and avoid areas where people anchor are quite impressive. [wired.com]
Maybe (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe Cthulhu will quit trashing the lines if we offer to set him up a frame r'lyeh switch back at his pad. You know he's all about pirating the tentacle pr0n.
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>> Better and stronger cables are urgently needed to avoid a re-occurrence of the 2008 outages." ...Except I seem to recall that it appeared to be deliberate sabotage, as in both big cases of the Mediterranean outages, multiple key cables all went down within hours of each other after years of no problems.
Just laying stronger cables obviously won't make much of a difference if it was indeed sabotage.
because (Score:2)
Because somebody keeps cutting the cables and blaming it on ship anchors?
Achilles heel? For whom? (Score:2)
multicast, and overflowing by network congestion (Score:2)
more landings (Score:2)
Seems to me if they had more landings (eg multiple landings per country per cable) then it would be more robust. Probably most of the breaks happen close-ist to shore so have a backbone in the middle (or 10 miles out) at a landing every so often.
And software that can route around a land-10-mile break.
Why sea cables? (Score:4, Interesting)
Europe and Asia are connected by land. While it might have to divert around a few non-cooperative countries, you'd think that sufficient backbone could be laid down over land routes to all necessary countries. It seems like underwater cables would be used only when absolutely necessary (such as from North America to Europe or Austrialia to Asia - and even then satellite is available (though with higher latency and lower bandwidth).
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see here (again, one of the best articles I've ever read):
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html [wired.com]
or here
[j-bradford-delong.net] http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/OpEd/virtual/stephenson.html [j-bradford-delong.net]
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Because laying land cables is extraordinarily expensive - after all, sea bed is free while someone owns the land. Another problem is that you'll be laying cable across some pretty tough and inhospitable terrain far from civilization, which raises maintenance costs considerably. Final
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Well, lets exclude Iraq, Iran, and Afganistan. Then exclude running a cable over the Himilayas. Then you pretty much have to run it undeasea to get to India. Even if you did try a Himilayan route, that would probably end up going through China. How's that great firewall coming? Want to get it in
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Run cables all throughout Europe (if they aren't there already) and then run the cables down through Greece, Turkey and other friendly countries into the Red Sea and through to Asia or so.
I see no reason why the cables have to run down the length of the Mediterranean (up until you hit Turkey or so, all the countries it would need to run through are part of the EU now so it would be easy to just draw up an EU wide set of rules for it)
"The Internet routes around damage" (Score:2)
Net Topology is Political (Score:2)
If performance to half way round the world was comparable to performance locally, oh what a world it would be! We might see breakthroughs in international co-operation, from the grassroots popular level up. Nationalist isolationism would be relegated to the old farts (defined as one who has never twittered. Shit that's me.)
Yes I know there are unavoidable speed of light related latency issues with distance, but I'm saying that efforts should be made to make raw throughput (bandwidth) comparable from arbitra
Redundancy the other way? (Score:2)
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Ha! Joke's on you! They pay us in SCO stock....
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You've been playing World of Goo a bit too much.
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It's not "just a coincidence". It's common occurance. Cable cuts happen. All the time. It's just gotten a lot of attention lately because of the attached conspiracy theorists looking to "prove" that Bush was going to attack Iran (he didn't).
If it was an attack of some sort, don't you think they'd have cut all four?
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It's just gotten a lot of attention lately because of the attached conspiracy theorists looking to "prove" that Bush was going to attack Iran (he didn't).
He's still got six days left! Watch the news next Monday, I'm telling ya!
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Please refer to the USA as The United States of America.
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Given the Holocaust Israel is committing right now in Gaza
Spoken by a true student of... er, no, not history that's for sure. This isn't a holocaust, it's a mere reconnaissance in force. Call me when they start burning over 20,000 people a day for the crime of "Not Being Israeli". THEN you'll have your holocaust.
Why do people scream "war crimes", "genocide" and "holocaust" all the time since the war in the Balkans? War is ugly. Chuck rockets at your neighbor and w
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I'm sure Canada wouldn't tolerate it from the US. We'd have to invade them and burn down their White House again.
You'll run out of ice to skate on, Mountie!
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"I'm sure Canada wouldn't tolerate it from the US. We'd have to invade them and burn down their White House again."
Don't think you need to wait for an excuse!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm [bbc.co.uk]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4442988.stm [bbc.co.uk]
PS: I'm an American.
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The US is behind the IDF in smoke operations, even the non-controversial sort.
WP is the most effective obscurant. Note the burn times in the FAS link and consider how an advancing force needs to reduce enemy vision.If the IDF wanted to target civilians instead of merely accept the risk of injuring a few they'd have set the fuzes for ground burst.
Fun fact:
The media like to show photos of airburst WP rounds (note the WP-impregnated felt sprinkling downwards) but generally does NOT show the thick clouds of smo
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"Yep I'm American too and I've seen the twisted burned bodies in Falluja."
In person? Details?
Desert heat and decay make for propaganda-genic corpses. There are lots of such photos for the Googling.
Of course WP is legal to use against combatant personnel (so is napalm), but there aren't many WP casualties to show for it. Many bodies are "twisted" due to being killed in combat.
Some famous Gulf War examples of generic non-WP casualties.
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt_index.html [digitaljournalist.org]