Miro 2.0 Launches Today 148
soDean writes "Miro just launched their 2.0 release today. The free and open source HD video player and Internet TV features an all-new interface and an entirely rewritten UI engine, plus tons of new features and improvements — it's less of a collection of new stuff and more of a rethinking of the whole experience. You can download Miro 2.0 here for Linux, Mac, and Windows. Miro is developed by the Participatory Culture Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit, hell-bent on making Internet video more open and decentralized, along with a dedicated community of users, volunteers, translators, testers, and coders."
Nice, BUT (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Nice, BUT (Score:5, Funny)
Then the university admins cut me down to 56k modem speed for 2 weeks to teach me a lesson.
Be careful with Miro. :P
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LOL @ post history.
My internal Turing/Voight-Kampff tests are returning inconclusive results.
(It's an actual human doing the posting, with way too much time on its hands or with the aid of some sort of notification bot - I call it Notiflor!.)
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Nah, it's a real person with another primary account (I forget the name at the moment). That account was made solely for that joke, as the posting history can attest to. Every time he sees a "new here" reference, he switches accounts to post that.
Re:Nice, BUT (Score:5, Interesting)
There does need to be a push for publishers to adopt these technologies. Most traditional media outlets do not see how well this can work, and refuse to admit the technology is already robust and available, and better for the consumer than broadcast TV.
New publishing services do exist: LegalTorrents.com (one of the default sidebar items in Miro) and focuses entirely on the publishing side. (Disclaimer: I work on LegalTorrents) - and there are many others too that work well with Miro.
LegalTorrents is an online digital media community to discover and distribute high quality open-licensed digital media. Each Content Creator on the site has an RSS feed that integrates automatically with Miro. (Sidebar -> Add Feed) The real benefit here is that Miro will download and share new content in the background automatically from each feed, and you can watch/listen whenever you want.
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Not to worry (Score:2)
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I wish that Thedailyshow and Colbertreport would work with Miro/torrent.. not everyone can stream those shows even at the lowest setting, and they are pretty ruthless about the limitation.. If miro would support TDS and CR, and be more forgiving, I'd use it.
Re:Nice, BUT Harken back to the CMC days... (Score:1)
California Music Channel....
Bring back in their former gory, or glory, Weird Al Yancovic and Elvis Costello... and some Blancmange...
Go back full circle... Then, Thrillingly, they can sing Everyday they Write the Book, while Living on the Ceiling, hehehhe
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Miro seems to be basically a RSS-client+Torrent Client+Broswer and a rudimentary player bundled into one. But wait, I use Google Reader, my browser plays videos, can download. I need a separate torrent client for non-video/music files anyway. And Video Search ? Google started searching video a long time ago. So why should Miro be an extra app running and not just a website that publishes video?
First, I don't want to download everything I see. And that which I want , can be done with an easy Download link.
I
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Build instructions (Score:4, Informative)
Since many distributions don't have it in their repositories yet, you might want to grab the source [osuosl.org] and build it [participatoryculture.org] yourself.
Re:Build instructions (Score:4, Informative)
No, it is not for "OSX, Windows, and Ubuntu".
It is for "MacOS, MS-Windows, and Linux". There, fixed that for you.
Anyway, Miro is already in the repositories for Mandriva, SuSe, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and Pardus... which probably covers about 95-98% of Linux users.
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If you're going to correct someone, you should really get it right yourself. There was never any 'MacOS', and 'Mac OS' is so old now that I doubt more than a handful of companies make applications for it. 'Mac OS X' is the correct terminology. I'm also somewhat sceptical about that hyphen in 'MS-Windows'. Amending Ubuntu to Linux seems like accurate, useful information though.
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MacOS is (and always has been) the name of the operating system Apple uses, it is the Macintosh Operating System. The current version is 10, which came after version 9, which came after version 8. In a marketing spiff, they often write the "10" as a roman numeral "X", but if you look in the code and such, it is 10. The subversions follow the "10", such as "10.1", "10.2", etc. It is also pronounced "Mac Oh Ess Ten" not "Mac Oh Ess Ekess".
Don't be sceptical about the "MS" in "MS-Windows". "Window
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No. It's Mac OS - note the space, check the trademark, read the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org], look at the image [packstreamsystems.com].
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If people correct others, they should make sure they're right or just not do it. If it's boring, don't bother to reply to it. By doing so you mss out on the opportunity to mod us down for being off-topic.
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>No. It's Mac OS - note the space,
I have seen it written both ways for years. I don't think it matters all that much, but when there is no space, it is always cased the "MacOS" way, not "MACOS".
>"OS X" is more of a brand than a version number now"
Exactly - it is just lay-term, marketing stuff. Hip, kewl, non-technical common reference.
>it is more correct to say "Mac OS X version 10.4.11" than "Mac OS 10.4.11",
Well, we just agree to disagree. Saying "Mac OS Ten Version Ten point Four" is just redu
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Where have you seen Apple use "MacOS"? If you haven't, then it's wrong.
Yet you went out of your way to correct someone else. If you're going to correct someone, isn't it better to be sure that you're it right?
Who suggested it should be in all-caps?
No, it's not a la
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But I'm not a tard.
Linux is not a platform (Score:3, Informative)
...nor is it an operating system to most end users because the kernel + GNU toolchain do not provide services they need.
With that said, the Miro project does NOT package software for other Linux-based distros. Look at their download page for crisesakes.... The non-Ubuntu releases are put together and distributed outside of the Miro project.
And this says it all:
For Miro bugs on Mandriva, use the Mandriva bug tracker.
etc, etc.
The authors do not directly support Miro outside of Windows, OS X and Ubuntu operating systems.
Problem with video players in Ubuntu (Score:3, Funny)
I can't be alone in my problems with Ubuntu's media player. I installed Ubuntu in a VPC in order to be able to surf porn sites on my work computer and be undetectable in case someone tried to go through my cache. Things worked great except that I simply wasn't able to get video to work in the media player.
It's not the end of the world. I can of course download static images, but sometimes it's more enjoyable to see porn in motion.
Anyone else have the same problem? Does Miro solve this problem?
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I don't think a VM is the right place to be trying to play videos.
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Totally agree. I use VM's HEAVILY at work, but they have their uses and a desktop isn't one of them. Even when the proper drivers and such are installed, the "local" input and video capabilities of a VM are going to feel off. What I've found most useful for VM's is for servers, where there isn't going to be a local user anyways. Remotely, a VM behaves much like any other machine that's hidden away.
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Maybe if you put as much effort into your job as you do trying to surf porn as work, you would be better at your job.
Maybe if you put as much effort into your job as you do into getting trolled on Slashdot, you'd still be a failure.
Miro + ??? (Score:4, Interesting)
The last time I tried Miro it installed something called "OpenCandy" on my system without my permission. I think I'll pass until the Miro developers realize who owns this computer....HINT: Me, not them, not opencandy, or whatever else wants to piggyback with the installer.
--bornagainpenguin
Re:Miro + ??? (Score:5, Funny)
It appears "OpenCandy" is only available for Windows, so I believe Microsoft owns your computer.
Re:Miro + ??? (Score:5, Informative)
OpenCandy [opencandy.com] was removed from Miro two months ago [getsatisfaction.com] after user complaints.
Also from that post:
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Proponents of Microsoft often cite their market share as being the reason for bullshitwares' authors' attraction to their OS.
With only 1% desktop share, the last thing that needs to be associated with the word "open" is this kind of crap. Microsoft are the worst [citation not needed], but Apple are also bad. [macworld.com] I haven't been this pissed since Sun tried to push Yahoo fucking toolbar [sun.com] into their garden-variety Java install.
Freedom is still better than non-freedom. (Score:4, Interesting)
I understand and concur about not wanting programs to install stuff you don't want, but I thought I'd mention that this is not as bad as having proprietary software do something similar. With proprietary software you have no option to edit anything to make it work as you wish, or get it edited for you by someone you trust. With FLOSS that option exists even if you choose not to take advantage of it. FLOSS actually respects your ownership by giving you everything you need to make the program behave as you wish. Proprietary software does not respect your position that you own and should control your computer. Whether you are willing to leverage software freedom to your fullest benefit is a completely different issue that is entirely in your control.
As it so happens, the Miro team is a pretty nice and responsive bunch of people so I don't think you'll find Miro doing something so unexpected now.
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I uninstalled Miro last time because of its bad manners. It made connections to servers without me asking.
It also didn't have a loop function. WTF?
This time I got Skype spammed as soon as I opened the application. Coincidence? Four Skype spams in three years?
Looks like it's going in the bin again.
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It made connections to servers without me asking.
Umm, that's the whole point of it.
It also didn't have a loop function.
Please define "loop function" in a way that makes sense in this context.
This time I got Skype spammed as soon as I opened the application. Coincidence? Four Skype spams in three years?
My mailserver rejects several thousand spams per day. Yes: four spams is a coincidence (and not even a big one).
Sweeeeet (Score:2)
I'm all praise for Miro. After discovering it, my TV viewing dropped considerably. Channels like 'The Real News' provide unbiased, in-depth coverage of world events. Channels like Submedia / It's the End of the World as we Know it provide some nice activist news with a health sprinkling of comedy. Then there are some pretty nice documentaries. Oh, and then there's that tech babe with gadget reviews ( can't remember the name of the channel for the moment ). But anyway, both the quality and the quantity of Mi
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Sumi Das?
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Crisis passed? You mean the Never-Ending War on Terror? No, no, no... that's never going away.
Ubuntu Names (Score:2, Insightful)
Fuck those stupid code names for Ubuntu! Put the damn version numbers up like normal people. Alliterative animal names are for 4 year olds. Get over them.
Re:Ubuntu Names (Score:5, Funny)
Awwww. Somebody is a sad salamander!
Further "alternative"distributions name suggestion (Score:3, Funny)
Pedophile Panda?
Sadistic Swan?
Terrorist Turtle?
Pirate Pinniped?
Homosexual Hippopotamus?
Republican Ram?
Lesbian Lobster?
Genocidal Gerbil
Transsexual Termite?
Homicidal Hummingbird?
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Why settle just for 1 when you can have 2 distro names from that.
Karma Kangaroo AND Whoring Wallaby.
One can be the server version and the other a portable.
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Dude, they do have version numbers, doesn't mean they can't also be given nicknames.
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The download section for Miro doesn't use the numbers, only the names and they aren't the only ones that insist on doing that.
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Sorry, I didn't RTA first. You're right, they should put up the version numbers as well.
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Ibex is 8.10
I'm sorry it's so confusing for you.
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Cool!
http://www.getmiro.com/download/for-ubuntu/ [getmiro.com]
Where are they?
Hulu, Linux, Miro and Flash (Score:2)
Hulu doesn't recognize that I have Flash 10 installed (64-bit) when run thru Miro. How do I tell Miro that I really do have Flash? It works fine in Firefox.
Re:Hulu, Linux, Miro and Flash (Score:5, Informative)
Well according tot the article, streaming flash only works in Windows & OSX, by your post title I presume you're running some form of Linux. The exact quote is, "You can add streaming sites like Hulu to your sidebar (note: streaming with Flash only works in Windows and OSX)".
This is unfortunate, although not a show stopper. Although it's probably coincidence I installed Windows in VirtualBox on my Gentoo based desktop just to stream Hulu to my Xbox 360 via PlayOn last night.
Anyone know of an open source Hulu streamer (ideally one that supports UPNP for Xbox 360/PS3 support)? I've been serving local content over UPNP via fuppes (using their SVN releases, works great on the 360), but I doubt they'll be implementing Hulu support any time soon.
OT: Fuppes (Score:2)
Got a Fuppes + 360 question. How do you solve the problem of the MP3s randomly skipping to the next track, before the track is over? I'm otherwise having no problems running it
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Well according tot the article, streaming flash only works in Windows & OSX, by your post title I presume you're running some form of Linux. The exact quote is, "You can add streaming sites like Hulu to your sidebar (note: streaming with Flash only works in Windows and OSX)".
I'm guessing this is due to the slight differences in the way Flash is implemented on various Linux distributions, combined with Flash's EULA. Hopefully the Ubuntu developers will enable Flash when they do the build for the repositories. After all, if it works on Windows and OSX, it should work on Linux too.
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More so, it seems that its embedding firefox in its window, and has a ~/.miro/mozilla directory, so why the hell doesn't it work?
I've been looking around, and others seemed to have flash working in previous versions... Besides that, without flash support it really cuts down on the amount of legal media Linux users can use when it seems entirely reasonable to have it working.
Now it looks like I'm stuck trying to hack their source, sigh.
HULU? (Score:5, Interesting)
Have they got round this, or is this content still blacked out for most of the world?
BugZilla sucks! (Score:4, Insightful)
To any developers, please listen carefully.
From and end-user perspective, BugZilla is a complicated, confusing, steaming pile of shit!
As an end-user I shouldn't have to "create an account", "login" or anything else to report a damn bug. Especially from a link within the program itself. A brief bit of text outlining what makes up a good bug report is fine, but I shouldn't have to jump thru hoops just to say "X is broken, here is how to reproduce it, here is my config".
For other developers, it is fine. For end-users, it is a nightmare.
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Developers don't want your bug report if you aren't willing to do the proper procedures. A bug report that you've put some effort into might help fix the bug. It takes patience and attention to detail to open a useful but report.
A bug report that you wrote in half-assed is worthless, and worse than worthless. It wastes the developer's time and hurts the project.
If you're not willing to jump through a few hoops, don't open a bug.
Re:BugZilla sucks! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm perfectly capable of entering a useful bug report, but BZ is a pain in the ass. If you ask for end-user help, then you need to accommodate end user methods without trying to pretend you can turn them into developers.
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Not to mention it is still another pain in the ass to have to register for a service that I only intend to use once.
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In reality, people may respond to your bug weeks or months later, asking questions on how to reproduce it, etc.
You need the login, but I agree that it's a pain to create a separate account. But view it this way: it's free software, all you have to do is create an account and log a bug.
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And then wait till they sell your address to a nice spam company.
There should be no reason they'd need your email address unless I wish to receive digests of posts via email. Especially if it's a forum where I can easily bookmark my posts, and check for updates when I feel like it.
How I wish you could just log in with a username and password, then set my preferences to "web only" ... and never have to give my email to yet another unknown quantity.
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There should be no reason they'd need your email address unless I wish to receive digests of posts via email.
Well, in the case of Bugzilla (which was what the GP was talking about), it's useful because the software notifies you when comments are made or questions are asked about the bug you logged.
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Hmm I didn't think about that, good point.
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from the end user perspective, bugzilla is the best system out there. guess what that makes of the other systems.
it's absolutely annoying to see reports where developers want to get more information, but nobody responds because report submitting was anonymous. as a bug reporter, i dislike passionately systems that do not allow me to register so that i can receive notifications on any updates or questions to my reports.
now what might be a middle ground - openid support in bugzilla (https://wiki.mozilla.org/B [mozilla.org]
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Yeah but that doesn't mean you have to register first. A simple 'your email address here' field would do fine. (Registration and more advanced notification can still be there for developers and advanced users.)
Re:BugZilla sucks! (Score:4, Informative)
Click the "Report Bug" link in Miro and you'll see the connection. It opens a link to their BugZilla form, asking you to create an account or login.
Re:BugZilla sucks! (Score:4, Insightful)
Some open-source projects get all the bug reports they can handle despite the difficulty. Ease-of-use improvements in Bugzilla which increase the number of junk bugs reported by people who can't be bothered to put a little effort into it may not actually be helpful.
More of an issue is the fact that if you allow anonymous submissions, you tend to get a problem with spam. It's not generally difficult to deal with spam, but it does take time to triage and squelch.
OTOH, in the past I've fixed important bugs that were submitted anonymously and where I've never been able to identify after the fact who did the submission. I've also had some users mention to me that they never submit bug reports where they have to identify themselves in the process. Prohibiting anonymous submissions does mean that you miss out on some things.
On reflection, I'd suggest that only large should accept anonymous submissions, since that at least saves effort for things that are reported properly. Large projects have to decide for themselves whether they value anonymous reports or spam-freedom more; I'm in two minds about it, depending on whether I'm dealing with spam or bugs at the time. If you do allow anon submissions, make sure you've got a mailing list set up to track all changes in the bug DB, since that makes it much easier to see trouble...
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What might work would be to have the app generate a GUID on login and when a bug is submitted, the app monitors the bug tracker and notifies the user when changes are made to the ticket or more info is required.
I understand why registration is used but on the flipside, I have decided against reporting bugs because of the registration process. The above idea would fix that.
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What might work would be to have the app generate a GUID on login and when a bug is submitted, the app monitors the bug tracker and notifies the user when changes are made to the ticket or more info is required.
Sounds massively overcomplicated to me. Bugs (should) have an ID anyway; the devs need something to track them by, and databases are great for generating such stuff. But a GUID is just nasty; too long to be a good identifier for human beings to use, and also not containing any real information. A URL to the webpage that tracks the bug works much better.
I understand why registration is used but on the flipside, I have decided against reporting bugs because of the registration process. The above idea would fix that.
No, it wouldn't. It just means that you've added more complexity with having another damn application or feature to debug! It also wouldn't work in a lot of
I used to use Miro... (Score:2)
I used to use Miro, for the better part of a year, and while I loved certain parts of it there were a few other things that eventually drove me away from using it. I got really tired of the odd crash, which while not a daily occurrence was still often enough to be quite irritating, and then also some videos just wouldn't play properly, and then there was the OBSCENE amount of RAM it used just idling in the background. I don't care what explanations the people over there kept coming up to justify why a glori
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Seems like no memory problem for me:
http://i41.tinypic.com/jl5nb8.png [tinypic.com]
on mac: 90MB "real memory", smaller than firefox at 101MB
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Why? (Score:1)
I'm still trying to figure out how popular projects like Miro and Songbird really are, and why. How useful is mashing Web functions together with media to create some interactive behemoth? Why do people need these bloated apps for content discovery when browsing a Web site and running an RSS-supporting torrent client is at least as effective?
Is it just the convenience of not leaving an app? If it's the interface, I understand even less - both are so cluttered, even with Miro's upgrade, and resource-inten
I use RSSOwl + BitTyrant + WMP (Score:1, Interesting)
I add the ATOM or RSS feed in RSSOwl, let BitTyrant open up the incoming torrents and open the result in whatever is associated with the file, usually this will be Windows Media Player (I tried several others, but I have to give MS a thumbs up on the design of WMP's interface). The only thing that could be made (slightly) more supple is to have RSSOwl automatically open torrents instead of requiring a click from me. But otherwise its pretty painless, and I don't see how having another application (especiall
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I think Miro and Songbird could be useful apps, but the web browser portion is simply bloat as it is IMHO. There is actual usefulness in software that will manage your song/video collection and fetch new podcasts for you. That's essentially what iTunes does (coupled with a very easy to use music store).
I mean, I thought Songbird was a great idea: essentially an open source iTunes-like clone, but essentially starting with the Firefox codebase as a basis for that type of app still seems odd to me. Truthful
Editors Why? (Score:2)
One thing I like about iTunes vs Miro's selection is better variety and quality, and that's just for the free stuff. Internet video really doesn't do much good when the selection is, meh.
UI is mouse centric. Prefer Freevo/MythTV style UI (Score:1, Informative)
The UI is mouse centric.
I like some of the features,
but the UI is not useful on a media center,
as it complexity prevents the use of an IR remote to control it.
I look forward 3.0.
Hell-Bent (Score:4, Insightful)
More organizations need the term "hell-bent on" in their mission statement.
Vuze is disappointing. (Score:1)
Most of the HD clips are just stinking movie trailers.
miro, a pretty neat idea (Score:3, Interesting)
It also tries to integrate your torrent downloads so that you can track them from Miro as well.
I'm running this on a mac and it appears that there's still not yet a proper solution for a torrent client with RSS. UTorrent was recently released for mac but it lacks many key features of the Windows client such as the RSS feed. http://tvrss.net/ [tvrss.net] seems to be a good, clean torrent feed and you can key in search terms to make sure you're only getting one provider of the show at a time. Will probably work great on Windows.
I'm a recent mac convert and am surprised to read other mac heads saying they preferred running windows torrent programs under wine or in xp under parallels rather than deal with the sucky offerings for mac clients.
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People like it but it does not support rss natively. Reviews say it used to be piss poor but is now very good and utorrent is late to the mac table but it's also good.
Network settings? (Score:3, Informative)
I open it up and what do I get, about 6 dialogs telling me it can't connect to servers.
1. Don't connect without asking me, thanks.
2. You apparently can't connect until I can set my network settings, I guess you don't use the OS proxies.
3. You don't have any place to set the proxies.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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1. Don't connect without asking me, thanks.
2. Don't connect without asking me, thanks.
3. Don't connect without asking me, thanks.
4. Corporate policy and internal firewalls prevent me from bypassing the PAC file for my browser, if you can't handle PAC files, let me set a proxy for you manually.
5. Don't connect without asking me, thanks.
6. Really don't connect without asking me. I mean it.
Never heard of it... (Score:1)
Assume I am too lazy to RTFA.
This is not a troll, I have no clue what Miro is. TIA, and not from an AC.
w00t!!! (Score:2)
Miro no longer requires Java! I'm all about it! This is day one though, so this is no endorsement.
OSX 10.4 ppc (Score:2, Funny)
A modestly sized program, and easy to install. I told it to go catalog my media and it grabbed some pr0n it couldn't even play and some .ogg files from Wesnoth that I turn off the sound to avoid hearing. Then it crashed.
Forced quit and tried it again. Watched a funny Onion spot and some bullshit propaganda called "The New World Order." Then it crashed again.
Maybe I'll wait for 3.0
That's all very nice, but... (Score:2)
When can we see some integration between Miro and UPNP clients like the PS3 and Xbox 360?
I'm fully appreciative of downloading torrents with my 6 down 1 up DSL, which peers in a typical torrent seem to like. I really do like Miro's interface.
But the computer is in the computer room. And the TV and PS3 are in the living room. And while the computer monitor I'm looking at right now is rather nice, I'd rather watch TV on the 52" Samsung while sitting on my couch in the living room.
When are these folks going
The Power of Television (Score:2)
The power of television has been the ability to commercialize "free" entertainment. All you have to do is wait through the commercials during the show and you get the show for free.
In today's work-flow, everything is "choose your own adventure". Jobs these days are so cut-throat that people have to make intense business plans around everything and look for places to be more effective. We make hundreds of thousands of decisions every day. Look at starbucks. It's not just "cream or sugar", you have like
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So what's the problem? It's not like TV is going anywhere.
Or does the mere existence of other options interfere with your vegging?
(For the record, some people appreciate the ability to cut down on their vegging-oriented entertainment, and still watch the one or two shows they actually like)
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Well, the main problem is that the options of today require lots of fussing around eating up all the time that I allocated for vegging out.
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Seems like a recommendation system (a la TiVo) would go a long way here. Rate the shows you like, use your spare bandwidth to download shows that people with your taste also enjoy.
Miro & tvRSS.net (Score:2, Informative)
How to setup Miro for automatic downloading of your favorite shows. [cnet.com] I've been doing this for a couple of years now. Grab your feeds from tvRSS.net. Use the filters properly and will d/l only the episodes you want. Enjoy.
How does it work with Comcast? (Score:1)
Anyone running Miro from a Comcast connection? Can the torrenting aspect be disabled?
Re:Can I get Battlestar Galactica in HD on it? (Score:5, Informative)
It heavily promotes a large number of legal video RSS feeds (many of them very good), however you can use any torrent (or direct download, I think) RSS feed you want with the program. So, find a BSG HD torrent RSS feed (I'm sure they exist several places) and you're good to go.
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2:) Thank you for Scam School
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Not sure why it won't work.
Miro != decentralised (Score:2)