Windows 7 Released Early In UK 194
CNETNate writes "UK customers have been reporting that they received their copies of Windows 7 in the mail today. Currently the British postal service is threatening industrial action over pay, and planned walkouts may result in Windows 7 not being delivered on its release date. It is understood that Microsoft has agreed to let some retailers send out copies early to avoid disappointment, and to make the UK the first country in the world to have Windows 7 in customers' hands."
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I've noticed a few companies using this as a marketing device.
"Free UK delivery" (for a limited time)
"No postal delays!" (posted using a different service)
I'm sure there is a succinct, yet cheesy marketing term for using current events as a selling points.
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"Free UK delivery"
I'm sure there is a succinct, yet cheesy marketing term for using current events as a selling points.
I think FUK=D would be an appropriate and somehow cheesy term.
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What does Free the United Kingdom from Drugs have to do with this?
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Why if the UK Post Office goes on strike, and nobody notices, because UPS, FedEx, and other private companies (plus email) fill the gap? It would be ironic if the Government Strike proves that the government-run service is no longer needed.
Hmmmm.
I hope the U.S. Post Office goes on strike next. Who need them? Not me.
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Not going to happen. For large business needs, maybe. But even then, the Royal Mail beats its competitors hands down on price, which really matters when you start talking in bulk terms.
Is it really worth paying up to 10 times as much to get it one day early? Especially when you consider the sorting offices for post offices are local and often within 1-2 miles of you address. Whereas the FedEx style companies have only one office/distribution centre and its always outside of town/city in some crappy industri
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That might be an issue when the private operators bother to do anything other than cherry pick the most profitable deliveries.
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Pfffft, I would like to see UPS and fedex et al do the number of drops that the post office does. They (UPS etc) take on more than they can deliver now, the only way the drivers complete their rounds is by 'carding' a proportion of their packages.
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It's been really funny to see the first Windows 7 targeted malware - there are several trojans and even more "scareware" nonsense. The malware writers obviously assume (often correctly) that early adopters of Windows 7 will be the usual knuckle-draggers who persist in using Windows brokenware and the Windoze fanboys who are mostly too stupid to install their own operating systems...
Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:5, Informative)
I'll be honest; I'm not sure why there's so much delay before the general release anyhow. The RTM build was signed off on months ago, and went up for MSDN subscribers (a very small portion of the general public, but often people with very little connection to MS) only a few days later. At my school, through the MSDN Academic Alliance program (free MS software to endingeering students) we've been able to get Win7 for some weeks (and via http://dreamspark.com/ [dreamspark.com] all students with a .edu email address can get Server 2008 R2, the server version of the Win7 release).
So... why so long before boxes hit shelves? It seems very odd to me.
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Same, my university has had the ISOs available to burn for weeks, as well as being able to download with student info on the MSDNAA site.
So summary is only correct for certain values of "customer".
Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:5, Informative)
So... why so long before boxes hit shelves? It seems very odd to me.
Basically: getting enough manufactured to cover initial demand and getting those units shipped to retailers. Many retailers might have had boxed copies in their warehouses weeks ago but they will have signed a deal saying they won't make them available until the official release date in order for the public release to be coordinated in all territories.
As well as accounting for manufacturing processes and regional shipment delays, they will have also allowed extra time for other unexpected extensions to these delays and other issues. There would also be a final test phase of the activation infrastructure to fit in too, to ensure it can cope with the sudden glut of activity on, and shortly after, release day.
There is also co-ordination with OEMs to consider. They would not be happy with retail copies going out before they had chance to update and test their offerings in time for release date - yes MS has them over a barrel to a certain extent so could tell them to go hang if it wanted to, but this isn't the right climate to be annoying major customers in. There are probably other marketing reasons to pick a coordinated date near, but not at, the end of the year too.
Releasing to MSDN subscribers is much easier. Most are download-only subscriptions now so just put the ISOs on subscriptions.msdn.microsoft.com and there is no need for physical anything never mind coordinated physical anything. For subscribers who still get disks that is just a plain DVD (and/or ISO files on a plain DVD) with no fancy hologram label and no box or other additional materials. It is not expected that developers have to wait for coordinated retail release, so there are no OEM concerns to worry about (in fact the OEMs would prefer developers to have early access - it will reduce problems and returns at their end of the market if there is less stuff out there with compatibility issues by release day).
Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:4, Funny)
And there's coordination with support providers: call centers need to retrain staff and write new support "scripts" for their personnel. And the manufacturers of other software, such as Microsoft Office need time to get the secret internal documentation of available libraries and toolkits so they can weave it into their releases. And third party hardware and software providers need a chance to test and integrate their components with Microsoft's release, or they may repeat what happened with Vista and ignore the release.
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If I were to hazard a guess, it would be so that any possible show-stopper bugs would be found and hopefully fixed before the public got their hands on the copy and the rumor game started up.
MS was bitten by this with Vista. Once Joe Sixpack heard from his friend who is slightly more technical than he was, that Vista sucked (even though the reasons why were not listed), Vista rapidly got a bad reputation that it could not shake even with multiple service packs and several generations of hardware. With Win
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My gf is not technically savvy - she learns quickly, but doesn't go looking up stuff. She's perfectly happy to move the mouse to something and click and wait, and click something else, and reinstall the application, and reboot, because that's what computers do. She doesn't understand why I curse at my computer, even when I show her exactly what I find annoying.
Still, she hates Vista, and doesn't understand why Microsoft made such stupid decisions. And not just for the reasons I curse about - sh actually
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She's perfectly happy to move the mouse to something and click and wait, and click something else, and reinstall the application, and reboot, because that's what computers do.
That's what a typical user does: rarely installs something, and if they do, it's a good chance they're doing so inadvertently – so alert them to the fact so that they can figure out whether or not they meant to do it. UAC can, of course, be turned off if you're a serious hacker and planning on going on a lengthy installation spree. Just remember to turn it back on when you're done (okay, perhaps you'd prefer to keep it turned off, but it is there for a reason).
Or should it keep the info to itself until either the app finishes or someone clicks on it?
Actually, doesn't it? The "(Not respondin
Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft is carefully stage-managing the hype.
They are well aware that they need a win, some way to coax computer users off XP without frightening them into jumping off the Windows ship altogether. They can't take a risk by producing an innovative or interesting OS, but they still need to generate some excitement to erase all the bad feeling generated by Vista.
So they release a mildly facelifted version of their failed OS, rely on improved hardware to mask the worst of the sluggishness and hype it to the max.
Profit.
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They can't take a risk by producing an innovative or interesting OS, [...]
What would qualify as an "innovative or interesting OS", in the context of the average user ?
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Are you guys SO desperate for ideas for Win 8 that you have to ask random Slashdotters for hints?
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Are you guys SO desperate for ideas for Win 8 that you have to ask random Slashdotters for hints?
I just want to know what you would consider "innovative or interesting" for the average user. Seems like a simple request.
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Does it? It seems like it would require a VERY complicated answer to me.
Probably.
Since it's so simple, perhaps you could help us get started by describing your innovative OS concepts.
Why ? I'm not the one making any claims about whether or not something is "innovative or interesting".
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What a ridiculous answer.
So you were just trolling all along? Ok, you got me this time, but it'll be something I'll remember next time I see one of your advertorials.
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What a ridiculous answer.
Not in the slightest. You are criticising with neither context nor justification. Or, to use the colloquialism, "spewing mindless crap".
All I'm curious about is whether you're criticising because you really do have an opinion on what would classify as "innovative and interesting", or if you're just a garden variety Slashbot making up your quota of anti-Microsoft rhetoric. Given your responses thus far, I'm going to go with the latter.
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You have some interesting ideas. I especially liked the one about web interaction in pictures folders, then I thought, "I could probably do that in an evening or two with a nautilus script." My next thought was, "If I've thought of it, someone else has probably already done it." Sure enough, a quick google search turned up some ideas that I could get running with a half hour's work. Not trying to be a Linux fanboi here, I'm sure someone more familiar with windows could come up with a similar windows sol
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I don't use Microsoft's OS or any of their other products for that matter.
The people who make the software I use already listen to my feedback, and don't have a history of abusing my trust.
Why would I help Microsoft? They've done nothing to earn my loyalty and a lot to earn my contempt.
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It's all wrong.
Your OS shouldn't be shiny, showy, or dazzling. It shouldn't be interesting. It should exist simply as a framework for launching other programs, and it should do so in as unobtrustive and as small a manner as possible. If you're taking up resources that should otherwise go to productive programs, you are stealing from me.
When I'm diving, I wear fins so I can move around underwater and I use a regulator so I have air. I don't want to be thinking "wow, this is a great regulator" or "these fins
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What would qualify as an "innovative or interesting OS", in the context of the average user ?
That's a fair question - and one the geek should be asking himself more often:
PulseAudio Creator Responds To His Critics [slashdot.org]
But he may not always like the answer.
The Win 7 HTPC that ships with a Blu-Ray drive will ship with a licensed Blu-Ray player and integrated HDMI multi-channel audio and video out as standard. PPV, rental and subscription services of every sort will install painlessly and work as advertised.
The
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So they release a mildly facelifted version of their failed OS, rely on improved hardware to mask the worst of the sluggishness and hype it to the max. Profit.
Isn't the business formula for all mature product lines?
release a mildly facelifted version of their <PRODUCT X>, rely on improved <DEPENDENCY Y> to mask the worst of the <PROBLEM A> and hype it to the max. Profit.
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Sounds like every version of Windows to me.
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(free MS software to endingeering students)
None of whom have a minor in English apparently. d:
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(free MS software to endingeering students)
None of whom have a minor in English apparently. d:
Maybe they're Walt Disney Imagineers who decided to go into eschatology.
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So... why so long before boxes hit shelves? It seems very odd to me.
So that there will be working apps available at launch.
Yes, I've been running the final bits for a long time too. The point is, I can test my app against those final bits, and make sure everything works correctly. If needed, I've got time to make changes, spin a new version, and get updates available before customers start installing Windows 7.
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It took MS alot of time to resurrect Michaelangelo, Da Vinci, Holbein and Rembrandt so they could finally contribute to making the Windows 7 Table Centrepiece a truly worthy work of art fit for the launch parties. Man does that thing look sweet! I hear it took Da Vinci three years just to produce the hand-polymerised arbor-cellulose used for it's sculpted form.
This strike is about more than just pay (Score:3, Informative)
At my place of work we can receive up to 20,000 items of Royal Mail each day. During the last strikes in '07 the Communication Workers Union message was that the manager's "modernisation" plan was really just a massive cut in service whereas RM management claimed they were just trying to eliminate "Spanish practices".
Immediately after the imposition of the managers plan the quality of the service we receive decreased substantially. It used to be the case that we'd receive about 80% of our post by 7:30 with
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Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:5, Funny)
Well duh. In the same way Windows Genuine Advantage is an advantage.
Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:4, Interesting)
"How is that a benefit?"
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some people have to use windows, in spite of the fact that they hate it. Anyone who has had the misfortune to suffer with Vista will now be rejoicing that windows 7, which pretty much amounts to a bugfix version of vista with the added bonus of a taskbar which almost makes sense, a graphics driver that might actually work, the ability to boot in under 20 minutes, and all in an operating system where the beta version I've been running for the last couple of months was actually more stable than the officially released crock of arse that was vista.
This all contributes to removing some of the pain from the occasions where I have to select the "other" option in grub.
That said, I won't be inviting my friends round for a release party. Sorry.
Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:5, Interesting)
And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some of us use Windows because we like it. I ran Linux on my desktop for a couple of years and moved back to Windows around SP1 of XP; I simply prefer it.
Re:Who'd have thought... (Score:5, Insightful)
I know it's heresy on /. but Windows 7 is actually quite good. Seriously.
Maybe we can now just stop all the holy wars and live in peace and harmony while celebrating the diversity of software available. I can dream can't I? :)
PS. Steve Jobs smells.
You must be... (Score:2)
new here?
I actually like Win7 a lot myself, it's now leapfrogged Linux+Gnome and OSX as my favorite OS interface.
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new here?
I actually like Win7 a lot myself, it's now leapfrogged Linux+Gnome and OSX as my favorite OS interface.
The problem is it's all interface.. The OS hasn't changed much since NT other than a few bolt-ons. It's a total mess inside and because of that it's never going to be secure.
Faster than vista and prettier isn't nearly good enough.
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Windows 7 is indeed quite good. I only use it (beta version) for gaming, but from what I have seen so far it is a decent, possibly even well polished OS.
However, for me the holy war will never end. Microsoft is an "evil" company that has shown time and again that it will stop at no means whatsoever to maximize its profits. Now I don't mind proprietary software or companies or whatever. But Microsoft does not WANT to be a good coroporate "citizen", they will bend and break any and all rules at will, and I si
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And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some of us use Windows because we like it
I know a *lot* of people who prefer to run Windows over Linux or a Mac, but only a very small percentage do so because they actually *like* Windows itself.
The preference is usually more about hardware, price, games, software, familiarity, than it is about actually liking the Windows OS.
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And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some of us use Windows because we like it,
Some people like to be beaten, whipped, and degraded. Personally I just want an OS that works consistently and windows never has, this release isn't going to be any different.
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It might depend on what you've been using up to this point. It is *arguable* that if you've been using Windows Vista (perhaps because you bought a new computer that came with it and didn't bother to install anything else yet), Windows 7 might be an improvement.
I personally am not convinced of this. I think the gratuitous UI weirdness in 7, and the inability to turn off some of the unwanted new features, makes it worse than Vista. For instance, why would you
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I personally am not convinced of this. I think the gratuitous UI weirdness in 7, and the inability to turn off some of the unwanted new features, makes it worse than Vista. For instance, why would you want your quicklaunch icons to move around all over the taskbar every time you open or close a window? To me that's a usability disaster.
I certainly thought it was a ridiculous premise at first but after using it for a while it did indeed seem to work fine. It can be tweaked to function closer to the original taskbar, in any case.
The most surprising thing to me about 7 is that it was actually a pleasure to use - which is great news for me as a PC gamer. Hell, on my laptop it runs about as fast as my ubuntu installation did without the unfortunately high probability of me changing a config file somewhere and screwing it up royally. I reall
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I really should stop messing with things necessary for my computer's operation without proper instruction.
You be careful you'll be calling yourself a Sysadmin before long!
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For instance, why would you want your quicklaunch icons to move around all over the taskbar every time you open or close a window?
Because they're not meant to be looked at as "quicklaunch icons", they're meant to be looked at as "Taskbar buttons".
Already on sale in Israel... (Score:5, Informative)
Not only the U.K.,
Windows 7 is already on sale in Israel.
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We were able to order Windows 7 OEM, Retail and Upgrade licenses on the 15th. We received the first ones on the 16th.
This is in no way unusual...
Germany too (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Germany too (Score:5, Funny)
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I think you meant, there were only four real parties. But there are more than four "parties". After all, it was a cheap way to get Windows 7 Ultimate. And all you have to do is get a few adults together for a photo or something. Heck, you can probably use your kid's birthday as the reason for the get-together!
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Re:Already on sale in Israel... (Score:5, Funny)
Well it is the year 5770 in Israel.
And still no flying cars...
Who cares? (Score:2)
Slashlaw, Article 3. (Score:2)
The reviews are out for months. Anybody who really cared has it already anyway. Students could have it for weeks for free via MSDN AA. Not that I would say that there might still be some people waiting for this, but is this really worth a Slashdot story??
Hey, listen buddy. It's always worth a Slashdot story when even the hint of Microsoft screwing something up comes to light. Didn't you read your Slashlaws when you signed up?!? It's right there in Article 3, plain as day. Admit it, you don't read EULAs either, do you?
Space Corps Directive or something (Score:2)
is this really worth a Slashdot story??
Hey, listen buddy. It's always worth a Slashdot story when even the hint of Microsoft screwing something up comes to light. Didn't you read your Slashlaws when you signed up?!? It's right there in Article 3, plain as day
Article 3- 'Any Slashdotter caught sniffing the saddle of the exercise bicycle in the women's gym will be discharged without trial'?
Hmm, I'm sorry, that doesn't quite get to the nub of the matter for me.
*I* Care!! (Score:5, Funny)
They're totally spoiling my launch party! After I spent all day organizing my "Activities" and picking my favorite "Features" to share with everyone! Now they'll all go to someone else's launch party the day before.
The hell with them, I'm installing FreeBSD then.
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Hell I've had it since May and aint a "TechNet" subscriber. I'm just one of the many who bothered to grab the RC and am running it on everything at home.
Right now, I'm a damn happy camper because they fixed/solved one of Vista's biggest problems. It certainly was anti-social in regards to even another vista box on the home network. Could never share files/printers yet Win7's homegroup works nicely once you set things up and get the latest updates that fixed the many problems.
Netherlands was first (Score:5, Interesting)
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'Seven houses'
That IS a small village...
disaster movies (Score:2)
[Just kidding. Though I will keep Vista on my machine for a while longer, I actually think 7 is a pretty good OS...]
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Europe always gets hit first in disaster movies. Case in point - Scotland was first to freeze in The Day After Tomorrow. Though I bet a new ice age would be much less destructive that this...
Whereas in actuality, the day after tomorrow is when rest of the planet gets hit with Windows 7...
It has been released in China as well (Score:5, Funny)
It costs just about 3 USD [reuters.com], probably its fair value...
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FTFA:
Chinese have been able to buy pirated copies this month for just 20 yuan ($2.93) each
In my experience, a bit of haggling and threatening to walk away will bring the price down to 10 yuan. Assuming half goes to the retailer, that leaves about $0.73 for Bill and his gang of merry robbers :-)
Hot damn! (Score:2)
Not exactly first... (Score:2)
Not exactly first if you include MSDN and TechEd subscribers. I've had the release version from MS for a week or two now, installed it last week over my RC build.
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The poor poor british (Score:2)
Not about pay (Score:4, Informative)
Minor correction to the story, the dispute isn't really about pay, it's about changes in working conditions. There are some aspects that cover what counts as overtime so pay is involved, but it's not just "we want more money".
More accurate (Score:5, Funny)
Release now... (Score:2)
Patch later?
Windows 7 Released Early in UK (Score:2)
Perplexed... (Score:2)
I was most perplexed to get up yesterday, anticipating having a day off work to just unwind and go for a walk, and find Windows 7 arrived in the post...
Now in and working, and pottering around with it to see how it handles.. I was part of the pre-order group, so the pro version only cost about £70 or so, which I think is reasonable for an OS..
Must say, good PR for MS to allow the early release, rather than have these things stuck in the post (which means probably never arriving)..
Already released in the US (Score:2)
Microsoft has been shipping out the party packs for a while now. My neighbors installed the signature edition this last weekend. And it has been available for months on Microsoft Volume Licensing Sites.
I didn't expect that (Score:2)
Windows 7 machines available at Walmart last Sat (Score:2)
Here in CA I saw Windows 7 desktop machines in Walmart on Saturday. 64-bit with 6MB of RAM for $398, sitting on the shelf ready to be purchased.
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I think Patrick said at the time that he was sick of people asking when he'd upgrade to "Linux 6". That still makes me chuckle.
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"You mean..."
"Yes. Ninenty-one thousand, one hundred."
Disclaimer: Yes, the geek in me wanted to say 81.812 as well. Don't feel bad.
Avoiding the Wikipedia lies (Score:2)
I think the next move will be to start making the release versions match up to the date it was released. Slackware 13.10.04. However, I'm a big supporter of Hexadecimal release numbers: Slackware D.A.4 FTW! However we should make it a point to avoid a 190.11.10-13 release, just too cheesy.
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You just met one. I do it all the time, and I'm not alone.
And American's do it a lot - "How's everything in England?" even if the person is in Wales, and referring to those people as "English". It's part-ignorance, part-fuzzy-definitions and part-convenience.
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You managed to stay in the queue long enough to make it outside the M25?
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When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog.
That behaviour has been present in Windows since at least XP - if no window has focus, then the Desktop has focus. Alt-F4 on the Desktop opens the shut down dialogue. There's nothing to fix here, it simply doesn't work the way you think it should.
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There's nothing to fix here, it simply doesn't work the way you think it should.
Alt-F4 is Close Window/Program, *not* Shutdown Computer. If the desktop has the focus, then it should do nothing, as there is no window or program to close.
I realize that, in a sense, the "program" is "Windows" (not really, but metaphorically, it works somewhat), so closing Windows is, essentially, shutdown. The problem here is that an overly literal interpretation of the command is counter-intuitive and inconsistent. This is further compounded by the occurrence of hitting Alt-F4 numerous times to close out
Re:Hopefully they fixed these things from Vista: (Score:5, Informative)
- The absence of a directory up button in the explorer. No I don't want to use alt-up when I'm with my hand on the mouse and don't get me started on the horrifying location bar!
Wait, backspace doesn't work anymore?! (Not using Vista, can't verify.) Yes, the location bar is a pain, but clicking the empty region gets you to the editable path box – directory structure delimited by backslashes, as you wanted.
- When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog. I just want to close my apps dammit!
Jesus Christ, and hitting "Esc" is too much trouble for you? It's not like this is unexpected or new behavior (as the other responder has pointed out).
You want a close-all hotkey? Never existed. You want it added? That's not a "fix", it's an addition.
- The absence of a 'Don't ask me for permission to confirm system changes until next session' option in UAC.
That's called "turning UAC off", and while discouraged it's entirely possible.
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Wow seriously, a complaint that he can't find a "Up" button in the same sentence as a complaint about the breadcrumb navigation bar...
The "Up" button you want is just click on the name of the folder above your current one! Heack, you can even go up THREE folders with one click, if you want to! Seriously, I'll grant you that it's different and therefore a certain portion fo the community will automatically think "bad" but come on, the breadcrumb navigation is FAR better than a single "go up one level" button
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Also, while Backspace works perfectly well, what it does is go Back, not Up (it's always done this, and consistently does this across everything from IE/Firefox/Whatever to the various wizards and installers that have multiple steps with a Back option).
Incorrect; it has not always done this. On XP's Explorer backspace went "up", not "back". Apparently they've "fixed" this... actually, I liked it better when it went "up".
"Back" is accomplished (in XP) by Alt-Left arrow key. "Up" is the Backspace key.
Open a folder, press Backspace: goes up to the parent folder. Subsequently press Alt-Left: goes back to the previous (child) folder. Change the address bar to a different folder entirely: press Backspace and you'll get its parent folder, but press Alt-Left and
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Not sure if you're replying to me or to the guy I replied to, but anyway.
1) Just use the right pointing arrow on the directory in the explorer...or just click on the word of the parent directory...Much better IMHO than a up directory
The right-pointing arrow is back, not up. There's a difference. Either way, you described a mouse action, not a keyboard action. I like keyboard shortcuts. A lot!
2) WTF do you want Windows to do? GUESS which window that is "not in focus" that it should close on your behalf? You can also close all windows of the same type by right-clicking on the taskbar the icon and selecting close all.
I was a bit puzzled too. It sounded like he wanted it to close all the windows, but then that would be a totally new feature, not a bug-fix. Not to mention horribly annoying if you hit Alt-F4 without realizing you'd clicked on the desktop recently and no window was focused. Po
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Erm, the back arrow points left, not right. I should have caught that before I posted; ah well...
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- When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog. I just want to close my apps dammit!
That's not a bug, it's a feature.
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No, that one was Sept 11 [bbc.co.uk].
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You fail at pedantry: You should have used a semicolon, not a comma.
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You misspelled "grammar" and put an apostrophe in "nazis". Is this a joke? If it is, it wasn't funny, I assure you.
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Funny stuff.
No, really.
"you might as well just bit-torrent"...
Bit Torrent rips still need to be cracked (or include cracks...which may or may not work for the foreseeable future, likely may not)
Bit Torrent rips may or may not be the untouched, unmodified, virus/malware-free copies available on TechNet (most likely not).
Bit torrent rip=MSFT gets nothing. TechNet=Microsoft gets ~$260 a year (depending on your ability to find "coupons")
Looks to me like TechNet is the best of all worlds. Activated copies from
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Given that we're talking about the UK getting it early, I don't think "bugger" is the best term to use for a Windows launch... Actually, come to think of it, I take that back.