Russian Man Aims To Reinvent "Taser" Technology 131
Lanxon writes "A Russian man is hoping to overhaul the technology within Taser-type weapons — transforming them from single-shot, short-range devices that stun for a few seconds, into more effective long-range, rapid-fire weapons — by modifying the wires and the type of shock they generate, reports Wired. Non-lethal weapon developer Oleg Nemtyshkin's design uses bare wires, rather than the insulated wires favored by Taser and other stun gun makers. These wires weigh only about one sixteenth as much as insulated wire, providing less drag on the darts and improved accuracy. Nemtyshkin demonstrated his bare wire technology with a prototype – 'Legionary" — in 2001. His latest version is the S5, and a video of the weapon in action shows it firing repeatedly — almost as fast as the trigger can be pulled."
Thank you for your wonderful contribution... (Score:5, Insightful)
...to humanity.
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Sarcasm sign UP!
(right?)
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Here's the video BTW :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko2mZsXHKdk [youtube.com]
Near the end he's tasering pigs.
On the plus side, it looks a lot less painful than the American version, while still providing non-lethal incapacitation. He also claims it's much less likely to disturb pacemakers (though I doubt it's good for your heart, then again, seems preferable to getting shot). Also it's just about the only weapon where a tinfoil hat (and jacket) would protect you from it's effects.
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Sarcasm aside, this is a good thing. These types of weapons can often be used in cases when someone would have otherwise been shot.
Law enforcement WILL have situations when they have to incapacitate an assailant. That's not going to change outside of fantasy land. With that in mind, I think most people would far rather take a shot from a taser rather than a .40 S&W.
A few caveats... (Score:1)
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Re:A few caveats... (Score:4, Informative)
That's their fault for allowing themselves to fall into "excited delirium" [wikipedia.org].
Re:A few caveats... (Score:4, Interesting)
What about people with weak hearts... They would survive one hit, but what if some triggerhappy cop gives 10 shots to a big person with a weak heart? Not so non-lethal anymore..
The correct term for these weapons is "less lethal". There is no such thing as "non lethal", Even a paperclip can be lethal in some instances. Bean Bag guns, pepper spray, tasers, have all caused death in some instances. The idea is to use the "least lethal" form possible.
Re:A few caveats... (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem with that is that the "less lethal" weapons then get deployed more often, and the cops are held less accountable because they tried to use the "soft" weapons.
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But between getting tased (you'd likely still falldown) and getting netted, I think I might pick the net. Might need special material to make it harder to cut through with a knife.
Carbon fibre jacket liners. (Score:5, Insightful)
Mobs will be led by people with carbon fibre jacket liners and helmets. Innocent people will get killed. Given the ability of our own police to shoot innocent electricians, guys carrying chair legs, and kill innocent bystanders in demonstrations, presumably pour decourager les autres, this thing is bad news for civil liberties and brings closer the risk of retaliation against the police. It sounds to me like a perfect "unintended consequences" weapon.
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War has collateral damage, and bystanders should seek cover in combat zones, riots included. It's a sloppy process, it must always be sloppy, and that means a few casualties. Tough shit. Yes, really. The demand for perfect precision cannot be met.
As for carbon helmets, etc, they may work on Tasers but they identify the wearer and won't stop rubber bullets and other less-lethal ordnance.
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War requires a declaration by Congress. Police are not authorized to wage war on the citizenry. It boggles that this even needs to be stated.
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Well, it DOES actually work. I would never hang around a demonstration, carry a chair leg or seek Brazilian citizenship.
The last I heard (Score:2)
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17a, Abs. 1, Versammlungsgesetz
http://dejure.org/gesetze/VersG/17a.html
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzwaffe
Better not run into police if they are in a bad mood and you're out with a few of your biking friends.
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Just like in many places it's illegal to have reinforced doors on you house, etc., in case the police want to get in.
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It's also illegal in some places for anyone to carry tasers, for cops and citizens alike.
New Jersey: The Land of Common Sense (In this particular case)
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Actually it's only illegal DURING demonstrations/protests.
Actually, this also includes any public event or assembly, during the event or on your way there; not only demonstrations/protests.
http://dejure.org/gesetze/VersG/17a.html
Because you don't need protection, except when you are one of those "protesters", who express themselves by throwing stones, burning cars and beat the shit out of bystanders.
Sounds good on paper. Unfortunately, cops more often than not are the ones who turn violent or incite violence, even during peaceful protests.
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only while there's some event going on somewhere in the country, apparently. so hey, it's perfectly legal on those other two days of the year!
Video? (Score:1)
I'm half-blind at the moment, could anyone point me to the video?
Re:Video? (Score:5, Informative)
Might refer to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuXR0F6ZQzc [youtube.com]
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In my head that translates into "it is not lethal, so there is less of a barrier before it gets used" (and from what I can hear these electroshock weapons are pretty dangerous after all anyway).
There, fixed my own post with corrent quotes.
Another thing is that civilian ownership of such devices is not allowed here in Norway. I know that many people from other countries have another view on the right to defend themselves, but coming from this cold country with only five million inhabitants, I'd say "defend yourself from what?" We probably have some of the worlds highest rates of civilian firearm ownership, but having a police force that generally don't carry guns send a strong signal to the popul
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And why this is so at your place...
Sure, "current societal realities" - but most importantly what has led to those?.
It almost seems like the answer is...cold, that you sort of mention. Because it does seem to a be a common feature of many places with cold (not the same as "harsh") climates. Not only working together to have means of surviving the long winter; also managing to not hate, not kill each other while being stuck through this winter in the same place with too many people? ;)
Well, at least after mo
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Nice theory dude, but: The list of really cold places where you also have to fear the cops include Russia, most of China, Tibet, North Korea, many of the former Eastern block countries, many mountainous countries of central Asia, many countries in the Andes and so on.
Also, I'd venture that "being stuck with irritating people" is way down there on the list of reasons why people kill each other, behind more common motives such as financial gains, passion/jealousy, drugs, politics and so on.
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the cops in tibet are basically chinese military thugs.
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That was mostly tongue in cheek, after all.
But you go a bit too far. Many of those examples actually sort of support what I said. Certainly Russia (yes!), the country - places where it's really cold had native and apparently rather peaceful populations, subdued by influx of...Russians, the ethnicity. People forget that "Russia" is a fairly recent construct, spanning very diverse geographic areas and many ethnicities (at least originally). Likewise Tibet, if Dalai Lama is to be believed. Andes, too, I guess.
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People forget that "Russia" is a fairly recent construct, spanning very diverse geographic areas and many ethnicities (at least originally).
Russia as a country, yes - but the area that is now Russia has been inhabited for a very long time and has not been peaceful for much of it.
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Ahh, but when you at really (and remote, so the populations were mostly left alone) cold, not merely harsh / continental, areas... ;p (those which were basically "unexplored" until XIX & late XIX century). That includes even firmly European parts such as Karelia.
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Don't forget people sometimes kill each other as a source of food.
I would like to see a thread of the strangest reasons why people kill each other.
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heh, the defense basically consisted of exporting christianity northwards, resulting in a civil war...
and i do wonder how long the police will remain unarmed, as armed violence seems to be on the rise (unless its the press making mountains out of molehills again).
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unless its the media making hot air (not unknown) you may be onto something, as there may be a rise in unrest as the population have a increasing percentage of "distant foreigners". That is, people you can visually say have their biological roots in a different nation.
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A example of error in your thinking would be a comparison of Canada and Australia versus the US. One is hotter and the other is colder than the US but both are more socially advanced with lower crime rates and a more effective social welfare net.
It is a generational thing. Each succeeding generation either tilts social development one way or the other and it does take generations to either work to a less stressful more socially aware society were people try to work together or to a more violent reactive
Love got me in here and love got me out (Score:2)
most murders here are affection murders (in lack of a good translation)
This sort of thing translates best as a country song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVFbvePbD8 [youtube.com]
(Even if you don't normally like country music, this one's hilarious.)
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Not really, if everyone caries guns then eventually the violent people will get weeded out. Sure you'll lose some good people on the way.
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Firearms are for the distinct purpose of throwing small bits of metal very fast.
The purpose to which those bits of metal are thrown, is solely at the discretion of the operator. They can be thrown at marked pieces of paper or other inanimate targets for fun; at animals, for the thrill of killing or in order to eat the corpses; at innocent people, for the thrill of killing or in order to take their stuff (or, rarely, in order to eat the co
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I'm sure most departments and most officers follow those regs...but from all the news
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There's a show on now that follows Oregon police. I don't remember its name or the channel, but they show regular taser use. The police use the tasers to force compliance to their orders, not to defend themselves. Often the citizen isn't being agressive. So much for being a replacement to the firearm.
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also, there are cases where police use it as instrument of torture, sometimes just for amusement.
Notice how very many kinds of police we have nowadays, and how we're being conditioned to accept their abuse, violation of body and privacy, and submission to their will without question.
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I would doubt that is the case, I seriously doubt any cop would take a taser to a gun-fight, the range is limited, it is not as accurate, limited reload speed, etc. Tasers are normally used on the level below deadly force, the same level where bean-bag shotguns, batons or certain physical attacks might be. In theory these devices shouldn't kill, but they might. Theoretically, they are used when 'this person is actively trying to hurt someone'. But some areas might have tasers on the 'person is doing stu
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not sure where you're from but on most places I've been to in the USA the TASER is one of the earliest steps in the force continuum because when it works it immediately deescalates a confrontation.
After all of the non-physical options are exhausted (yelling, pointing, etc..) your options are fairly limited. You can hit them with pepper spray which can maim and kill in similar fashion to the TASER but doesn't necessarily stop a suspect and frequently just pisses them off. You can grab, punch, or kick the suspect putting yourself in harms way and escalating the confrontation into a brawl. You can shoot the suspect (and you ONLY shoot to kill, there is no such thing as a shoulder of leg shot) thus invoking lethal force, and if you don't get him on the first shot expect him to respond in kind potentially escalating into a shootout with potential for collateral damage.
Or you can shoot them with a TASER. If it works (TASER claims 99.7% effectiveness with minor injuries) it immediately stops a suspect, puts him on the ground, and effectively ends the confrontation. That said I have seen abuse of the TASER, I've read about the beating deaths, heck I've read about the NYPD shooting an unarmed suspect 47 times... Abuse happens, mistakes happen, that is why there needs to be civilian oversight and proper training of our protective forces but it doesn't mean we should take their tools away.
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A taser might put someone down, but it doesn't mean they won't stop fighting when the jolt stops.
It took this guy [google.com] at least 4 before he stopped trying to get up. Some people can even sleep through it [google.com]. Although that was a civvy unit.
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
The answer is to make all cops wear video cameras and record what they do.
Transparency/accountability is the best weapon against state oppression.
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the age old question of "who watches the watchers".
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They are not "non lethal weapons" (Score:2)
They are considered "less then lethal" since even a punch can kill you in the wrong situation.
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Really? (Score:2)
The "result" of unarmed police is a non-violent society?
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Man, tasers totally aren't dangerous enough (Score:1, Redundant)
Oh, I KNOW! I'll make it rapid-firing!
(Needs more dakka.)
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...and long range!
Long Range Scenario (Score:3, Funny)
Punk : Dials 911 ... Annoying Ring Tone ... boom chicka wah wah ...
911 Operator : 911 what is your emergency...
Punk : Can you forward me to the cop chasing me!?!?!?
911 Operator : Sure. One moment..
Cop Answers : Wh, who is this?
Punk : Don't tase me bro!
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This is going to be very bad for good citizens (Score:5, Informative)
Of course it will immediately be adopted across police departments because as we all know tasers are perfectly safe [google.com]. It is interesting to note when officers fire their pistols, they continue firing [wikipedia.org] until the ammo is depleted. There is no reason to believe this practice won't continue with semi-automatic taser guns because many taser deaths were due to multiple hits from several officers [jonathanturley.org]. Of course these occurred because the suspect would not stop flailing about on the ground [youtube.com] due to being repeatedly hit with electricity (officers refer to this as resisting). That is merely the unfortunate side effect of electricity causing involuntary muscle contractions [allaboutcircuits.com].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuXR0F6ZQzc [youtube.com]
"Cattleprod + Electrocution" (Score:2)
My tags for this story.
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Id rather be hit with a tazer then a 40cal any day. Nothing is 100% safe, and besides 99.999% of the time you did something to warrant getting hit, so its your own damned fault if you die.
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Especially if you were looking in the wrong way at the wrong person.
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That is a false dilemma. You have a right not to be assaulted in the first place.
You're right. You must have viewed the video I pasted. It was indeed that teenage boy's fault for being tasered. It was his fault that his back and leg were broken and he was in confused daze when officers tased 19 times for not complying. It w
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First of all, notice i said 99.999%, not 100%. There are always cases of abuse, but its the minority. We are a long way from where most of the cops are picking people at random to harass just for fun.
Secondly, I have never personally seen a case where the suspect didnt have some hand in instigating, even in cases of the police ( wrongly ) going overboard afterwards. If they didn't do something to attract attention, they wouldn't have been a suspect in the first place.
But then again, its easier to bash the c
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99.999% of the time you did something to warrant getting hit, so its your own damned fault if you die.
i'll accept your made up statistics on faith
I have never personally seen a case where the suspect didnt have some hand in instigating
as long as we're sharing irrelevant anecdotes, i've never seen someone undergo knee surgery
99.999% (Score:3, Insightful)
of everything is bullshit.
"I'd rather be hit with a tazer then a 40cal any day."
What's that, a 9mm? Of course you'd rather be hit by a tazer than a 40cal! Bullets: 25% chance/death, 30%/chance perm.damage (Red Cross figures)
Tazer: "Although the company spins it otherwise, Taser-associated deaths are definitely on the rise. In 2001, Amnesty International documented three Taser-associated deaths. The number has steadily increased each year, peaking at 61 in 2005. So far almost 50 deaths have occurred in 2006,
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Sorry.
Well done.
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If they are supposedly "non-lethal" - I wonder what it would take to push not only the requirement of experiencing them few times during training, but also...after any use the officer needs to be tasered in exactly the same spot (leaves marks, right?), and in a manner he did (hey, electronic devices, can be easily done)
Sure, no chance to fly...but they are "non-lethal", right? What's to be afraid?
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Adding to what Anonymous says - you thinking that it's a choice only between being shot, tasered or batoned illustrutes nicely the problem. And really, probably the approach which is part of making the US the worst of industrialised nations as far as violent crime goes.
And hey, again, tasers are "non-lethal", "safe"...surely no officer would be afraid of them?
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I'd have modded you up... (Score:2)
I was watching a video on YouTube of a Taser being used in an arrest (under questionable circumstances, but that's not the point). The person was being uncooperative to the point of becoming dangerous, so the officer Tased him. Naturally, the person falls to the ground. The
Don't... (Score:5, Funny)
...tase me, comrade
Wait, what? (Score:2)
Can we stop calling it "non-lethal" (Score:1)
Am I the only one? (Score:3, Insightful)
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If this progression toward a police state is fueled by corporate interests, why would "domestic terrorism" be aimed at the government?
Why wouldn't it be aimed at the source, the corporate interests? Maybe that's part of the problem. People are blaming the government when they're just messenger boys for the largest corporations.
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say hello to big media. These so called impartial reporters of events are increasingly acting as propaganda offices for the big corps. And they make sure the message that the government is to blame gets heard. It may also be a frustration with a system supposedly set up to represent "the people". Funny enough tho, corporations are de facto people. People with very deep pockets.
i dunno, desperate, frustrated people do strange things, like say blow themselves up on a buss full of school children and elderly w
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It is naive to think that any of the components of the corruptocracy (government, bureacracy, megacorporations, and crime) has the other components on a string. That is what makes it so dangerous. It is a synergy and it is in runaway mode with nobody at the controls.
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You are not the only one. As you hint, the police state is fueled by a corruptocracy composed of a vast, all encompassing collusion between government, bureaucracy, and megacorporate interests. And it is impossible to say which of these components is in charge because none of them is. That is why it is more dangerous than communism. The synergy has gone wild. The corruptocracy has gone viral and the entire body of society is riddled with the disease. Since corruption is at the root, organized crime ha
Another TOY for the police to abuse... (Score:2)
Another TOY for the police to abuse...
How unfortunate for citizens of the world
Physics? (Score:1)
- electrostatic = attract
- magnetic ?
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two parallel wires carrying current in opposite directions will repel each other
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Thanks. Maybe this explains how it works, as the wires are pushed apart when they touch each other.
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Go open up a pair of Sony headset wires, the ones with the ultra-thin, nontangle cord. Not that the two wires inside are seemingly uninsulated? Now try to solder them!
The "uninsulated wires" are apparently coated in an very thin insulating material. It looks as if the two bare wires are touching each other. They are not bare, but the coating is far thinner and lighter than conventional rubber-based insulation.
Tazer already has no wire options (Score:1)
They have 12 gauge self contained units. " look mom, no wires "
How about a super charged lightning whip (Score:2)
Such a lighting whip could not only allow you to cut cars in half, but also the super human strength to throw the cars and protection against injury.
Finally! It's been 140 years (Score:3, Informative)
One of the Nautilus men gave me a simple gun, the butt end of which, made of steel, hollow in the centre, was rather large. It served as a reservoir of compressed air, which a valve, worked by a spring, allowed to escape into a metal tube. A box of projectiles in a groove in the thickness of the butt end contained about twenty of these electric balls, which, by means of a spring, were forced into the barrel of the gun. As soon as one shot was fired, another was ready.
We've been waiting for it much longer than flying cars, but Captain Nemo's pulse rifle is finally coming to market (well, probably).
Nemtyshkin's next project, the Leyden Gun, will deliver a short shock with lasting effects. The Leyden Gun is the size of a paintball rifle, with a magazine of thirty rounds. The projectiles are simple needles rather than elaborate barbed darts, as they do not stick to the target but administer a single jolt from a high-voltage capacitor.
On the other hand...
[A]nd finally, it was he who had killed the convicts with the electric balls, of which he possessed the secret, and which he had employed in the chase of submarine creatures.
Admittedly, some of the precedents are a bit ominous.
So, where can I preorder one of these?
Iron Man 2 (Score:2)
Russian man aims to reinvent Taser technology (Score:2)
Alamaba man aims to "reinvent" saucer technology (Score:2)
I dun saw it in a dream I done have after I wuz probed!
[consider the source ]
Tart (Score:1)
> Non-lethal weapon developer
Tacit in the text is that a taser is non lethal. Tasers have killed people, thus, this class of weapon is known as less-lethal, a term of art.
Type of shock? (Score:1)
Does anybody have any more information on this new type of more incapacitating shock?
Faster torture (Score:2)