Google Unveils Android 'Honeycomb' Tablet 187
adeelarshad82 writes "Google Mobile Platform VP Andy Rubin unveiled the very first Android 'Honeycomb' tablet. While very few specs were released about the device, it is said to be a sleek, black, Motorola tablet that is roughly 10" and runs a NVidia dual core CPU. The device has a very clean homepage and the app page looked almost Apple iPad-like. In fact, the Gmail app looked almost exactly like Gmail on the iPad. According to Andy Rubin, Honeycomb should release some time next year, and most major OEMs planning on building Android tablets have expressed interest in using this version of the Android platform."
OH HELLS YEAH!!! (Score:2)
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Dood! Slashdot 101:
Apple = teh eeeeevil
Google = teh not so eeeeevil
MicroSoft = teh used to be eeeeevil but now mostly incompetent run by chair-shaped-poop throwing monkeys.
Please. (Score:5, Interesting)
Give me these four things, and I'll buy it in a second:
1. Wireless-N
2. Built-in Bluetooth (think external controller used for emulators and games.)
3. SDHC card slot
4. At least one standard USB slot (preferably USB 3.0, but even 2.0 would be fine...just so long as it's a standard port without any proprietary nonsense.)
For the love of Jim Darkmagic, PLEASE FREAKIN' INCLUDE THESE FOUR THINGS.
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5. Display port.
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That would be quite welcome, but if ditching the display port meant gaining a USB port (or even an additional one) or an SDHC slot, I would gladly trade it away.
Naturally, this is based on my own plans for it, so YMMV with that.
Why not both? (Score:2)
That would be quite welcome, but if ditching the display port meant gaining a USB port (or even an additional one) or an SDHC slot, I would gladly trade it away.
My little HSG X5A [jiongtang.com] (a 7" tablet running Eclair) has:
1. One full size USB port
2. One mini-size USB port
3. One mini-size HDMI port
4. One 3.5mm audio jack
5. One SDHC card slot
Items 1 through 4 live on one short end of the device (along with the power jack and the power button); the SDHC slot is on one of the long sides. The other short side and the other long side are empty. There's plenty of room on a 7" - and thus more than enough room on a 10" - for your entire wish list of connectivity.
Re:Please. (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, a WiFi only version so it doesn't cost $500.
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that nails the problem. a lot of folks like the ipad but are put off by the price. if it was replacing my phone or my laptop i wouldn't mind spending $700 for it, but a tablet doesn't replace anything. it's an extra gadget. it won't enable you to do without owning a phone or a laptop. for me and i think a lot of others, that means a tablet needs to be much cheaper.
send in the clones. the problem there is that they are all about the same price as an ipad (counting out the chinese knockoffs). consumers like m
Nook Color (Score:2)
Been playing with one. 3/4ths as good as an iPad (twice as good in some respects...) at half the price.
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nook color doesn't have android market support right? that's a problem for most of the cheaper android tablets. i understand you can get it through hacking / rooting but that's not going to happen for most of the devices.
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The Nook Color is supposed to be an extremely capable device once it's rooted. Considering the support the original Nook had (and continues to have) in the homebrew community, I have high hopes for the Nook Color.
Besides, isn't the point of buying an Android device being able to muck around with it? If you want an "out of the box" experience, you might as well go iDevice.
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Besides, isn't mucking around with it the motivation behind buying an Android device?
Fixed...sorry about that folks. I'm fully aware that you can "muck around" with an iDevice, but the wording of my previous post seemed to ignore that.
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It most certainly could replace a phone (skype, other voip apps allow this, even if it's not the most convenient form factor for somebody who walks around a lot), and unless you do huge amounts of text input via keyboard, it could easily replace a laptop too. You can browse the web, send emails, instant message, listen to / watch audio/video, read books, play games... for many people, that's pretty much what their laptop gets used for. If your u
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My Nexus 1 has all that, so I'd imagine that it'd be on a tablet as well.
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er, lack of sleep is speaking. Meant to say my Droid X has all that. Not sure where the heck Nexus 1 came from.
Re:Please. (Score:4, Funny)
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I hope at least one of those ISN'T included so I can be modded insightful for bitching about it on every Android story.
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I can see your point...after being modded at +5 for discussing your choice of activity involving butts, there's nowhere to go but up! :)
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Judging by the summary, it seems you outlined the early prototype, but they had to make some alterations.
They dropped the Wirless for sleek.
They couldn't have bluetooth while being black
They were going to have an SDHC card slot, but decided to drop it to fit the 10-inch form factor.
They decided that if they didn't include a USB slot, they could bump it up to a NVidia dual core CPU.
I hope you are still willing to buy.
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- A decent screen.
The entire device is basically a display with a SOC and a battery glued to the back, but it's the component that always seems to get the short end of the stick. 1024x600 TN panels? What the hell 99% of tablet manufacturers!
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Yeah, I'm not getting one of these things until the pixel density jumps up a fair bit... 1024xanything is just absurd for a device like this. At an absolute bare minimum, 1366x768 (or 1366x1024, for a 4x3-form-factor device) IPS seems like a no-brainer.
Re:Please. (Score:5, Informative)
The Viewsonic G Tablet has all those things, and can be purchased now for less than $400 at Sears or Staples in the US. The Advent Vega is very similar over in the UK, with much better stock software.
The G Tab supports Wireless N (I haven't tested this personally, I just have 802.11b/g, but it supposedly does), it has built-in bluetooth, it has an SD slot that supports SDHC cards, and it has a standard USB port (well, USB-mini, but totally standard) that supports USB host mode.
The only issues with it are the out-of-the-box software completely sucks and is dog slow, you need to be comfortable flashing your own ROMs from XDA Developers to get much value out of it at this point, and to do a tiny bit of hacking to get the Market working properly. And the LCD screen is just not as nice as the IPS screen on the iPad, for example, and that's not a software-fixable issue.
I'm running the VEGAn ROM on it right now, which is a port of the Advent Vega software, and it's running great with Froyo. Things will only get better when Gingerbread and Honeycomb are here.
I'm hopeful the next generation of Tegra 2 tablets will be made with better LCD screens. That's what's really necessary to make an iPad-beating device right now.
Ironically, the diversity of Android devices and screen resolutions mean that quite a bit of the existing Android apps in Google's Market run much better on the G Tab than iPhone software ran on the iPad at its release.
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The only issues with it are the out-of-the-box software completely sucks and is dog slow, you need to be comfortable flashing your own ROMs from XDA Developers to get much value out of it at this point, and to do a tiny bit of hacking to get the Market working properly.
Great! I'll tell my mom. She's sure to be interesting it getting one. Sounds just up her alley.
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2 is in every android phone, and 3 is in nearly all of them.
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2 is in every android phone
But I don't want a phone. Phones cost $500-$600 because they're priced with the expectation that a carrier will subsidize the purchase by jacking up the price for service.
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Well, no. They cost the same as bigger tablets because small electronics are expensive. Same reason laptops are more expensive than desktops.
The carrier 'subsidy' trickery just lets them sell more.
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Well, no. They cost the same as bigger tablets because small electronics are expensive. Same reason laptops are more expensive than desktops.
If an Android tablet is expensive because the miniaturized computer hardware inside is expensive, then how does Apple make money selling its 3.5" iOS tablet [google.com] for $229?
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Advent Vega?
http://www.slashgear.com/advent-vega-review-07118007/ [slashgear.com]
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ummmmm.... get the archos
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ummmmm.... get the archos
Any place where I can try Archos products? I tried Best Buy, but they don't have Archos 5 or Archos 43, and without having the device in front of me, I can't tell whether a device will have an unusably unresponsive touch screen and need to be mailed back for an 85% refund.
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To be more correct, you want a/b/g/n, and not just b/g/n. a/b/g/n gets you N on both 2.4 and 5GHz, while b/g/n is just N on 2.4GHz. (the iPad has a/b/g/n - 2.4 and 5, iPhone 4 only b/g/n - 2.4 only). Saying N doesn't guarantee a 5GHz radio, and it's nice to use the less-crowded 5GHz spectrum and spare the 2.4GHz for everything else.
Bluetooth is good too, but you need standardized OS support so apps have a unified API
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There are a few of these on the market already. The Archos 70 [archos.com] has what you're looking for. There are other models that are differently sized so you even have the option there.
Most of the chinese knock-offs are 802.11g but the newer tablets coming out now are 802.11N like the Archos.
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I personally wouldn't have a use for that, since I draw about as well as the average 3 year old, but that would be an awesome feature to have.
The first person to release a decent tablet that can effectively use a Wacom stylus will almost instantly lock up purchases from everyone that uses a Wacom...although I'm not sure how excited Wacom would be about that :-)
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Well, if Wacom was the company contracted out to develop the pen tablet technology, they might be pretty psyched about it.
However, currently, you can try the Pogo Stylus, which is a capacitative stylus that works pretty well, even at detecting some tilt stuff. Its not as good as a Wacom, but at $15, its pretty good for general use.
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I'd like to point out that on the main page [notionink.com], the clock shown on the tablet is set to 4:20.
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Doooooood!
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Anybody know how much it is supposed to cost? It seems pretty good, but if its gonna be like $1000, its a non-starter for me, and its not gonna dethrone the iPad.
10 inch display? (Score:2)
Honeycomb's big, yeah, yeah yeah!\
[with apologies to Post cereals and to Hermes from Futurama]
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It's not small, no, no, no.
That was my first thought. Every GenX geek is humming that song right now.
Apple-biased much? (Score:5, Insightful)
but the app page looked almost Apple iPad-like. Plus, when Rubin brought up the Gmail app, it looked almost exactly like Gmail on the iPad.
Seriously? Gmail app looked a lot like a Gmail app - but on the iPad?
Wow! How does that compare to the likeness to say... Gmail?
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Nah, I'm sure their lawyers a looking into this at this very moment.
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Indeed... (Score:2)
Gmail app even uses several letters invented by Apple. And if you squint your eyes enough, Google logo looks exactly like Apple's.
video on engadget (Score:5, Informative)
Multicore & Carmack (Score:3)
In juxtaposition to the new Google tablet featuring "NVidia dual core CPU", just a few /. stories prior is a link to John Carmack opining "In the not-too-distant future, we're going to be seeing multicore on mobiles" in reference to gaming capabilities.
Interesting times.
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Amazing! Carmack can predict the future!
I remember The Amazing Carnac [wikipedia.org] could peer into the future - but this is the amazing Carmack?
Updates? (Score:2)
Developers are getting concerned about fragmentation of the Android platform. If users all have different versions, then it makes it hard to gets apps to those users.
I think the solution is to encourage the hardware OEMs to allow people to flash new versions of Android themselves, or Google/OHA needs to work with them to get the newest versions on all the hardware as soon as possible.
At least with my iPhone, I know I'm going to get all the iOS updates. If you buy an Android phone, there is a good chance you
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iOS 4 didn't run as well on slower hardware (the 3G has about 1/2 the processing power of the 3GS, which has about 1/2 the processing power of the 4). But at least they all got the update.
My wife has a Samsung Captivate, which shipped months after Froyo (2.2) and still doesn't have it. And I haven't heard plans for when or if it will be released, even though Gingerbread is now out the door.
The Eclair version the phone shipped with has a major bug which makes the GPS painfully slow, and this is fixed in newe
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You're missing the point. Developers won't develop for a device if most users can't install apps due to fragmentation.
I did look into trying to get Cynogen mod running on her phone, but it isn't properly working on her phone yet. But if users need a strong technical skill set to get updates, then really most users don't have access to updates.
That is a problem.
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There are brand new Android phones being shipped and sold today with 2.1 instead of 2.2, with Gingerbread out the door now. And most Android phones/carriers haven't been releasing updates.
Apple has been releasing updates for two generations back on their phones. You're complaining that Apple hasn't pushed updates back three generations, and my wife's Android phone isn't getting support/updates as a brand new phone.
Honeycomb's big! (Score:2, Redundant)
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
It is all about the battery life (Score:5, Interesting)
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I have a Viewsonic G Tablet (a Tegra 2 tablet running Froyo) and I can leave the tablet on all day, browse the web intermittently throughout the day, watch a couple hours of video, listen to streaming music for a while, and still have charge left.
In fact, it's been on the entire time since 10:00AM this morning, it's currently 2:30PM, I've been using it moderately (testing a new ROM out, browsing, downloading from Market, etc.) and I am reading 70% battery still.
People on XDA Developer forums have confirmed
Excuse me - iPad like? (Score:2)
the app page looked almost Apple iPad-like. Infact the Gmail app looked almost exactly like Gmail on the iPad
Uhh, that means the app looks GOOGLE like, since they MADE both apps... It was their choice - not Apple's - to make it look the way it looks. I guess tech writers have bought in to the whole "the world is Apple is the world" cult mentality after all...
Galaxy Tab (Score:2)
I'd like to see this (finalized) OS in a 7" tablet. Anyone know if the Samsung Galaxy Tab will be upgradeable to 'Honeycomb'?
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Re:meh (Score:5, Interesting)
just a large android, too awkward to use as a phone, too big to carry around, what's the point?
Exactly my reaction to iPad when Apple announced it. I was wrong, there are plenty of uses for a tablet form factor. Two in my immediate world: 1) A computer that fits in the flap of my camera back to which I can upload photos for in-the-field high res slideshow. 2) A touchscreen program controller for my synth keyboard.
With a bluetooth keyboard and stand, should be perfectly able to replace a netbook or laptop for road trips. Subject to replacing lame Android interface with a real desktop like KDE of course.
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For $450 you can buy a decent convertible netbook/tablet that does both.
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For $450 you can buy a decent convertible netbook/tablet that does both.
yes, it does both less well than either of each. Convertibles give you all the bulk and weight of a laptop, combined with an OS that wasn't designed for tablet use. What's not to love?
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Not necessarily true. You have the bulk/weight of a netbook when using it as a netbook. How is that a disadvantage?
You can load any apps/software you want, have a full keyboard, USB slots, etc.
And many of the convertible netbooks/tablets change the OS interface when in tablet mode. When you remove the screen and tablet you leave the weight of the netbook behind.
You have the best of both worlds. Why is that bad?
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Not necessarily. There are convertibles where the screen just lays down, and there are some where the screen detaches and turns into a tablet.
Hence I said "remove the screen".
Then again, reading is hard.
Know what else is hard? buying products that don't exist.
Can you point us to where we can buy one of these detachable screen laptops? Or did you see a picture of a concept mockup someplace and confuse it with a well flushed marketplace of competing devices?
One distinct advantage the iPad has, is that it actually exists.
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Except for the fact that netbooks are cheap and not limited. While undoubtedly you are going to be able to do more with the Honeycomb tablet than an iPad and it will be cheaper, netbooks still are the way to go for laptop replacements. I can buy a netbook for a bit less than $300 that can do most of the things a tablet can do for a lot cheaper.
The netbook/laptop format is most certainly limited. They're nearly unusable while standing or walking, and very awkward to use while sitting but not at a desk. So while you CAN buy a netbook for $300, it can do most of the things an ipad can do, except the things that it can't do or do as well. Those applications are what the slate format excels at, and individuals can decide if those applications are worth the expense.
Pretending the slate form factor is useless because it's not exactly the same as
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Net books are clearly better value, but not everyone is looking for the cheapest possible way to get on the Internet. Not everyone needs a laptop while they are travelling either.
Slates can be very pleasant to use for browsing the Internet, reading mail and reading books, they probably do a lot nore a you think, and they're typically lighter and get better battery life than net books. If you have disposable income and those things have value for you, you may find one worth the money. Of course, if you can
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The only problem is the Tab's price point, which is too high. I'm very interested in the new Archos tablets - if only they came with a possible 3G/4G connection in addition to the wifi.
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I guess if you're road work is surfing the net. If your work requires any kind of typing outside of inputting URLs and doing 2 line responses to e-mails, a netbook is better in every possible way.
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A tablet allows you hold it using one hand, it's lightweight, and writing an email is simple using Swype. You can hold it at a comfortable distance and don't require a desk or table to operate it.
Believe it or not, some companies ac
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When is the last time you used one hand to operate a netbook?
At least twice a day.
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Counterpoint: 10" is not ginormous enough! I still want one of the 5 foot high Android display phones they had at their trade show booths in the early days! Until then, I shall never be, uh... satisfied.
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Apple sells a camera kit [apple.com]. Basically it gives you a pair of dongles that connects to the Apple connector for thirty bucks -- one for SD, one for USB. Voila, tablet with SD slot. You can then offload from your camera.
A Micro SD -> SD adapter is an exercise for the rea
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Apple sells a camera kit [apple.com] [...] for thirty bucks
Of course if it had a USB socket in the first place -- and some very standard drivers -- you could use a generic MicroSD adapter for $5.
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Why? When you can buy an Archos for half as much and achieve all of the same functionality and them some and in the same easy to use interface. People bought iPads because they were really easy to use, much like the iPhone. The Archos has the same strengths. They are computers for people who aren't technical.
My sister is an artist and completely computer illiterate, she can quite easily take the card out of her camera and put it in the Archos or she can even directly attach her camera, she can even print!
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I think you missed my point, people don't buy an iPad realizing they can't print, they buy it because someone showed it to them and they liked the interface for browsing the web although they didn't realize the lack of Flash so if they are car people they will have a lot of trouble viewing those sites.
People buy Apple products these days and expect to have to pay extra to get adapters when it's completely unnecessary. This is not rational. Of course populations of people usually aren't rational so I guess
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It's not about GNU Hurd, or the latest kernel or old Amiga software. I have no use for those on my tablet.
However, when I buy a piece of hardware .. i'm not buying a lifestyle, or an experience or a free pass into all the latest fashion events.
I'm buying hardware. Just that.
I don't want to change my life to work around this hardware's limitation. I don't want to do things the "apple way". I want to do things just the way I LIKE to do things.
Currently, apple doesn't give me this freedom of choice.
For me, buy
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It's not that I don't want to make choices ... it's that most of the "choices" I see defended here on Slashdot ... well, to be frank, I don't give a damn about them. Exercise the choice to buy it or not ... and then get over what the rest of us do with it.
Like I said, if you want the "freedom" and the "choice" to install Hurd or some other obscure thing,
When you don't have Wi-Fi (Score:2)
It's got WiFi, and I've got Dropbox.
So what do you do when you don't know the WEP key or WPA key of any of the Wi-Fi APs around you? Or when you're riding in a vehicle? That's when USB storage support becomes useful. Perhaps these cases apply to you less often than to me though.
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Well, if I'm traveling, I'm usually in airports and hotels that have wifi. If I'm not in one of those, I'm probably neither using my iPad nor trying to push data onto it. It's just not a use-case that I've encountered -- I only occasionally need to push data onto my
Public transit (Score:2)
The only vehicle I have ever used my iPad in is an airplane.
Let me guess: you drive a car. I use my netbook more often because I ride the bus to and from work and to and from the store.
As a matter of fact, I can't even think of a situation in which I would want to be using a USB stick in a vehicle
So I want to transfer data from a desktop PC to a portable device, but I don't have the time to turn on both my desktop PC and my netbook and set up a shared folder before my ride leaves. In this case, I'd put all the files on a USB flash drive, get on the bus, and then copy the files to my netbook.
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Absolutely I do. If I did ride the bus, I'm not sure where the heck I'd be able to use a laptop. On a crowded bus, but the time I cram myself and my laptop bag into a chair, there simply would be no room to use a netbook. That's if I'd get a seat -- at which point I want music more than a computer device.
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We're talking about transferring photos from cameras. It's obviously an attractive use case: go on holiday with your camera and iPad. The existence of the $30 Apple camera dongle demonstrates that it's a use case Apple recognised.
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*laugh* Really? That is kind of funny.
I guess it's not something I've ever cared about trying -- if I fill my 8GB card in my camera, I have a couple of spare 4GB cards, and if I fill those, I can scavenge a couple of 2GB ones from my older camera. If I realistically expected to be taking the 2K + images that implies, I'd make sure to buy another 8+ GB card.
Definitely not defending bad support
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They limited the output to 20 mA from the previous 100 mA - this means that unpowered USB devices that could previously work with the power available through the dock connector may not work now. I've heard nothing to indicate any cameras are affected, since they have their own onboard batteries. It's the keyboards, mice, and other USB-powered things which may not work.
Unintended side effect may be that this will prompt manufacturers to find ways to reduce the power requirements of their USB devices, which
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Maybe you didn't want to look?
http://store.apple.com/us/reviews/MC531ZM/A?mco=MTc2MTYyMjE [apple.com]
It does not recognize any of my camera's (Canon, Leica)
Won't work on Canon 20D
I have two cameras. A canon Digital Rebel and a Samsung ES55. This camera adaptor didn't work on none of both models.
I plugged in my Canon 7D, it didn't work!!!!
Only thing that worked was my Gf's Sony camera and my iPhone. This thing is useless!!!!
Should I continue or can you read the reviews for yourself?
Stop making excuses for Apple. I wouldn't be making ones for google if they'd screw up!
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First I've seen about cameras not working - the report I read focused on unpowered USB devices, and didn't mention issues with cameras, though obviously it sounds like some people are seeing issues there as well.
It's not "making excuses" for them to explain what the change was - the decision was to limit the power emitted from the dock connector to 20 mA, where it was previously limited to 100 mA. The behavior being reported is that an error message is now popping up saying "this device requires too much p
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But, you still need to be connected to a wifi network of some kind, no??
It's not like you could take the iPad and the Eyefi SD card in the middle of nowhere and have them pair, is it? That would be fairly cool if you didn't need to be near an access point.
I can absolutely seeing this being something pros would like.
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Wow ... nothing but net. :-P
Re:meh (Score:5, Funny)
too big to carry around
Honeycomb's Big!
Yeah yeah yeah!
It's not Small!
No no no!
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just a large android, too awkward to use as a phone, too big to carry around, what's the point?
Let me guess, 8 months ago saying "just a large ipod, too awkward to use as a phone, too big to carry around, what's the point?", and you still don't get the point. Well, maybe it's time to buck up and accept that not everyone sees the world through your particularly focused tunnel vision. iPads seem to be selling marginally well, so maybe there's a point after all.
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Yes, please do not use your jaws, everyone knows Honeycombs tear the shit out of the roof of your mouth.
I thought that was Captain Crunch? Err, the cereal, not the phreak...
Anyway, I came to the joke thread to ask whether this new device might start a new trend of hexagonal tablets.
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The Woz?
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Please, do not say "yet another tablet"; finally we have a serious iPad rival.
Do you? I sorta got the impression that this is a prototype and not generally available yet. It's a teaser ...
It sounds like something not ready for production, and, I wonder what kind of battery life it has -- a dual core tablet might not have a great battery life. I think trying to cram a desktop into a tablet just gives you a heavy tablet
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Oh, sure, the tablet's here to stay, until they figure out a way to mold a computer onto a flexible display only .25 mm thick. Then where will you be, with your over weight clumsy tablet that you can't even roll up and use as a straw?
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Well, I will still be overweight and clumsy. And, I don't generally drink from straws.
I don't foresee that being a big issue. ;-)
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