Third of Content On Popular BT Portals Are Fake 255
siliconbits writes "A study published by a group of researchers, most of them based in Europe, analysed the publishers of content on two major BitTorrent portals, Pirate Bay and MiniNova, and found out that almost a third of all files on the two sites were fake."
Same ratio as /. (Score:5, Funny)
Same ratio /. has for how many stories are real.
Re:Same ratio as /. (Score:5, Insightful)
I believe the Pirate Bay site has "flags" for trusted content and respected uploaders. Does it not?
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I believe the Pirate Bay site has "flags" for trusted content and respected uploaders. Does it not?
Of course, other trackers have them also. And checking the number of seeders/leechers helps, too. As well as having a quick look on the comments to see if someone reported nasty stuff.
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Why can't the comments be fake too?
Re:Same ratio as /. (Score:5, Insightful)
They can, of course. But from what I've seen on, say, ISO Hunt, real torrents usually don't have any comments at all, while fake ones get negative comments. So unless the fakers can delete existing comments, they're pretty reliable.
Re:Same ratio as /. (Score:4, Informative)
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In fact, I would think most people agree that apart from the one file you found, if you consider all of the rest, some very large percentage is either fake or useless, crap, or is not downloadable.
Sure, and 90% of all e-mail is spam. I'm surprised that this would surprise anyone :) Sturgeon's Law has been with us since 1958 - you figure people would have gotten used to it by now.
Re:Same ratio as /. (Score:5, Funny)
I believe the Pirate Bay site has "flags" for trusted content and respected uploaders. Does it not?
Of course, other trackers have them also. And checking the number of seeders/leechers helps, too. As well as having a quick look on the comments to see if someone reported nasty stuff.
What?
Are you saying the copy of "Matrix 4 Leaked - DVDRip", with 1 seeder, 6 negative votes, a comment saying "This is a VIRUS - don't download", a file size of 30MB, a file listing with a single .exe file... that this isn't legit?
I don't believe it, but I guess I'll find out after I download and EXECUTE the video file myself... now good day sir!
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And checking the number of seeders/leechers helps, too.
This has been the best indicator for me, particularly the seed number - people don't waste time seeding bad files.
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Also, send it to virustotal.com. If it comes back clean, great, if not, find out the the detections are real or just "virus, I mean, keygen".
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Most download sites has that - even the popular commercial sites have rankings for files.
And it's hardly surprising that there is a lot of junk listed on Pirate Bay and similar sites too - it's there either to spread malware or to try to drive off or annoy the downloaders. You are welcome to find other reasons...
Nooooo, really? Fake warez of fake porn? No way! (Score:2)
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Re:Trusted? Uploader LMAO! (Score:5, Insightful)
Have you ever bought a SONY gadget on the internet?? How do you know it was not fake, inferior junk, knockoff from China? You do not, not unless you buy the product from an original, authorized seller. Deal with it.
Have you ever bought a SONY CD from an original, authorized seller, to discover that it's rootkitted your computer? Have you ever bought a digital picture frame at Target, to discover that the original-equipment virus lurking in it has infected your flash drives?
The fact is, buying original, genuine merchandise from reputable vendors does not in any way protect you from negligent (Target) or criminal (SONY) acts on the part of those in the manufacturing and distribution chain.
There is no honor among corporations, either.
Buying from an original, authorized seller does not protect you.
Deal with it.
I suggest (Score:3, Interesting)
Considering that I have not once downloaded a fake on TBP in the past 10 years or so that I have been using it, I think that either the "researcher" is fiddling with the numbers or has no idea how to download something.
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on tpb, there is a tag that tells if the uploader is an official tpb member. That helps a lot in my choice.
You can also check the seed,leech numbers. Thousands of seeders and thousand of leecher are likely to be a valid torrents.
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Re:I suggest (Score:5, Insightful)
Or you got a bot on your machine and you don't know it.
I saw an interesting talk on security/malware once. It had some screenshots of one of the top downloads from TPB (a Photoshop keygen or something). There were hundreds of comments saying it was clean, that the uploader was trusted etc. At time of release no virus scanners flagged it. In fact it uploaded all the passwords it could find on your computer to a machine in China and then generated a Photoshop key.
I walked away from that talk with the powerful impression that if you trust crap you get off piracy sites, you're asking to be owned.
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Which is why I dual boot my machine, backup my windows to a folder via linux from time to time, and wipe the OS completely every couple months or so. When I reinstall programs I do it selectively, so not everything is installed every time I install my OS.
If there's ever a bot on my machine, it's not there for very long.
Re:I suggest (Score:4, Informative)
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In fact if you were to do that, you could use snapshots with your VMs to make it even easier. With your trusted VM after each use or every few uses roll it back to the known clean snapshot and you can make new snapshots after important security patches.
And for your VM for naughty activities you could just roll it back to the base snapshot every once in a while to ensure it hasn't been compromised.
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Re:I suggest (Score:5, Insightful)
At some point isn't it easier to just buy the software?
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I'd add four things to using a VM for untrusted stuff:
1: Roll back the VM, back it up if you so choose, then run Windows/Microsoft update and update the other programs at least monthly. Then back up the .vmdk files again.
2: Buy a copy of sandboxie for the VM. This way, the malicious software would have to get through that before being able to use kernel level abilities in case there is a 0-day to allow malware to get out past the hypervisor.
3: Run the potentially nasty stuff as a user with no admin rig
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Well, if all of that failed, you're probably not going to be safe regardless of the website you visit. In addition to viewing the amount of seeders/leechers and reading the comments, you could always just download from a trusted account.
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Woah now - there's a difference between a fake and Malware.
Essentially, a photoshop keygen that works while stealing your password isn't a fake, even though its malware.
Poster might very well have a bot on his machine - but he still hasn't come across any fakes.
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I'm surprised that it was only a third. I have used a throw away computer isolated from network to mess around with Kazaa, Shareaza, Limewire, TPB, etc. My computer was a diseased smoking husk in about two weeks. I would not trust a music MP3 from those distribution channels, much less a keygen.
That's just it too. You can trust the piracy groups themselves that make the cracks and "publish" their releases, since they are in it for their principles (whether you agree with them or not). You can't trust t
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I would not trust a music MP3 from those distribution channels
I'm just asking because I don't know, but can .mp3s contain a virus? How does that work?
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For executables, sure. But for movies and music, no dice.
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Considering that I have not once downloaded a fake on TBP in the past 10 years or so that I have been using it, I think that either the "researcher" is fiddling with the numbers or has no idea how to download something.
That, and the fact that including any URL anywhere is a sign of "financial profit". Who cares if it's called "Some.Popular.TV.Show.S02E23.x264-L4M3.[btjunkies.com].torrent"? As long as they deliver who cares? And particularly trying to lump those together with the relatively few that try propagating malware - for example unheard of in movies, tv, music and a bunch of other categories. Yes, downloading random executables off the Internet is still a bad idea but not hardly as big a problem as this makes it so
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The fakes are rarely reseeded, so that makes their seed numbers and thus their ranking in search results lower. You might as well conclude the majority of pages indexed on google are spam, fake or malicious, which is probably also true, but they are usually low ranked.
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The methodology says that they monitored for new torrents via rss and immediately scraped the .torrents and processed the files. And, if you've ever tracked a category on TPB via RSS you'll know that there's a TON of spam that constantly comes in and is usually flagged for deletion and removed fairly promptly. So, really, it's more appropriate to say that a third of all .torrents uploaded to BT portals are fake.
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Indeed. The easiest way is to search for something, and then sort by amount of seeders.
Essentially every single torrent that is posted by a registered user and has decent amount of seeds is a real thing.
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I agree that true "fake content" is rare, but the researchers never define the term, so it could mean any of:
All those are com
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Fake stuff gets deleted from peoples systems once they realise it's BS, it doesn't get left seeding, therefore it just could not possibly have thousands of seeders as some torrents apparently do.
While the MPAA and others undoubtedly spam the portals with enormous quantities fake torrents, but they very
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It depends on what you're trying to download and what you consider a "fake". There was a really good short nature piece on YouTube named "the bear" that I wanted a higher resolution, permanent copy of that I looked on BT for, but there was an apparently more popular (and I couldn't figure out why) flick with the same name.
I tried for a couple of month to get a real copy of the last episode of Voyager (I hadn't seen it; the local station that carried it switched networks in the olast season). BT was full of
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It means TPB is useless because there are too many fakes and therefore the MPAA and RIAA need not worry about it.
The point.. (Score:5, Insightful)
One of the biggest benefits of torrents is that the fake crap gets weeded out quickly and the real torrents rise to the top with a high number of seeders. So it doesn't matter if its fake because it dies off quicker, than normal as people stop uploading it.
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The researchers said 1/3, not 50%.
So I get sued for downloading a fake file can I be (Score:5, Interesting)
So I get sued for downloading / uploading a fake file can I beat it based on that they are calming that I downloading / uploading the real file?
Is this like that professor sued for haveing a mp3 file in name only?
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So I get sued for downloading / uploading a fake file can I beat it based on that they are calming that I downloading / uploading the real file?
I am betting "No" - unless you are willing to submit to an independent forensic examination of all your storage media. The fake file is, after all, an admission that you were looking for the real one, and, quite probably, others as well.
The uploader/downloader is the guy who tried to eat one potato chip. What the plaintiff wants is the whole bag.
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I am betting "No" - unless you are willing to submit to an independent forensic examination of all your storage media. The fake file is, after all, an admission that you were looking for the real one
But looking for the real file isn't a crime. Sharing the real file is the crime, and if you never got it you couldn't share it. Obviously, if there are other copyrighted files that you were actually sharing, and they can prove it, then you may still have a problem.
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??AA attack dogs may be many things, but seldom are they calm.
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No because no one is forcing you to download it. It is just like the police using bait cars to catch car thieves. They lure you in but you are the one that ultimately makes the choice to proceed.
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Entrapment isn't about who makes the choice to commit criminal activity. If you are made to do something that you would not choose to do yourself, then the crime committed is not entrapment, it is coercion.
Entrapment is anything which induces a person to commit a crime that they would NOT have otherwise committed. Baiting a car thief is not entrapment because the car thief is a car thief, and stealing cars is what he does. But if you're a cop sitting in a bar listening to a woman complain about her abusive
Don't have a problem (Score:5, Interesting)
Ultimately I don't have a problem with leaking fakes, so long as you're not intentionally trying to distribute viruses or anything like that.
Apparently Batman: Arkham Asylum had a leaked version that was basically a demo. There was a level you couldn't get past because of an intentionally crippled feature. When people were screaming and complaining about a "bug" in the product they purchased on the support forums, they were informed that "bug" was only present in an intentionally leaked version on torrent sites. They knew people were going to pirate their game, and they tried to get in front of it and turn it into a scenario where the pirated copy did act as a demo, perhaps convincing people to pay for the real thing.
But the bigger issue is that game studios, music companies and Hollywood still haven't seen the bigger picture.
It is to your benefit to pirate rather than deal with DRM nightmares. And corporate America is more focused on punishing their customers than trying to attract new ones.
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perhaps convincing people to pay for the real thing.
Considering the deafening quiet I would venture to guess that this strategy did not work. Furthermore it goes a long way towards defeating the "every pirated copy is a lost sale" excuse that is used to claim ridiculous damages.
Re:Don't have a problem (Score:4, Interesting)
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From what I have seen with Steinberg's stuff, I have not encountered any musicians who really like it. First, there is the dongle/VST plugin aspect. Start setting up at a gig, and some crackhead makes off with your dongle? From what I know, a musician either has to hit the warez/crack sites, or re-buy everything. To prevent this from happening, I have had made at a metal shop custom 1U locking rack drawers that had a powered USB hub mounted in the back, just so people could have their license key stuff
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Good luck finding an insurance company that does cover loss or theft dongles for more than their replacement value (and that is the value of the hardware, not the hardware + the keys that make the software work.) This is something I have seen a good number of musicians look for, and not find. Convincing an insurance adjuster to cut a check for the thousands it costs to replace Cubase + the plugin licenses will be almost impossible, even with proper receipts at hand. I have yet to find a single musician w
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when it gets to the "good part" suddenly cut off the audio and/or video?
Ah, so most movies play all the way through with no problems then!
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So you're suggesting that the movie studios intentionally leak copies of their movies that when it gets to the "good part" suddenly cut off the audio and/or video? Hmm... that does sound perfectly legal and even moral. The question is, would it increase movie sales?
Not sure - I remember hearing about the Barenaked Ladies releasing a torrent of one of their songs that stopped mid-verse, followed by them telling you to go buy the album. Couldn't tell you if it helped or not (although the fact that they sell memory sticks with their live concerts says they're not afraid of the Big Bad Net.)
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So you're suggesting that the movie studios intentionally leak copies of their movies that when it gets to the "good part" suddenly cut off the audio and/or video?
This certainly explains "The Crying Game"...
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It is to your benefit to pirate rather than deal with DRM nightmares. And corporate America is more focused on punishing their customers than trying to attract new ones
About 20% of the Blue Ray disks I get from Netflix don't work on my PC because of DRM. Not much better then pirated files. In fact TPB is what I use to so that I can still watch the movie I paid Netflix for.
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I love that story - they got all the benefits of the demo, with none of the downsides of DRM, while avoiding the problems of day-1 cracks (my understanding is that since the game didn't do the "legit" check until later in the game, crackers either had more trouble finding it or didn't think to look in the first place - since the game "worked", after all).
I really should have picked up a copy of that game as a show of support. (No, I didn't pirate it - I'm just not a big Batman fan.)
Not just bittorrent - alt.binaries too (Score:5, Insightful)
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Do they not open the damn files as they come down? If only for a cursory glance to confirm.
It would appear not. Some people are actually "document" hoarders (for varying definitions of "document"). They want a copy of everything even if they aren't going to use it immediately, or ever. Even "trusted" torrents are often bogus. I think this might be a weak attempt to prevent piracy, which of course, doesn't work that well. After all, the price for a "document" is the same if you have to download one vers
Hoarders and ratio (Score:2)
I had a room mate who was obsessed with downloading everything and burning it to DVD. He literally had hundreds of burned DVDs in his closet on spindles. There's absolutely no way he had time to consume that much media, but he seeded it back while he slept and worked before burning it to dvd. Even if he opened the archive to look at the filenames, who's to say he actually watched and or listened to each file to ver
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Not only that, but all the fake EXE files used to spread viruses and trojan
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Most of the problems like these are easily avoided though: just buy the legit version! I pay for my software, and I pay for my music as well, since these days there is plenty of music online, for the right price, without DRM that needs to phone home, and with the ability to play on the device of my choice.
The reason I still
Re:Not just bittorrent - alt.binaries too (Score:4, Insightful)
The great thing about pirating movies is that you're not subjected to forced commercials, FBI warnings, and other things that the producers decided.
Find movie file, play. Done.
It would be great if disk-based movies were this easy.
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I've become so used to the alt.binaries being polluted with either passworded inner-rars or corrupt/scrambled files that I'm now used to just grabbing the first couple of rar's and extracting them just to make sure.
Most decent nzb indexers include flags for if there's passwords, or exe's inside.
mmmh, interesting... (Score:2)
So, if someboy sues those publishers then they have to show to the judge that they have "written permission to distribute, post, or copy" every and each of the files they're using to polute the sharing ecosystem? Because gay porn companies can get millions for inapropiate use of their films
I use... (Score:2)
About usenet (Score:2)
I see complaints about the quality of stuff on usenet with some frequency. I agree that there's a lot of noise hiding the signal. But the complaints about unreliable transfers are something I don't understand. I've downloaded hundreds of things over the last few years and I no longer even have a program on my computer to handle PAR files. I'm able to successfully unRAR everything I download. I take a quick look at things and if there's obviously parts missing, I don't bother. But that's very, very rar
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I sincerly hope (Score:5, Informative)
That this research didn't involve taking a random sample, and working out that 1/3rd is fake.
The strength of Bittorrent is that if there are:
1. Low seeds
2. Bad comments
Then its fake.
If you have a file with a few thousand seeders, then you can be sure that its real. Nobody is going to continue to seed a fake/virus ridden file unless its on purpose - but that requires a ton of resources.
And most admins will take down any files reported in that manner.
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If you have a file with a few thousand seeders, then you can be sure that its real.
Or it's actually malware propagating through BitTorrent. I've seen a number of torrents with tens of thousands of seeders on relatively small files, usually with something like 'SEXSEXSEX' in the titles - those are zombie botnets.
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Anecdotal, but this isn't my experience. I was trying to find a copy of Four Lions (easily the best comedy about suicide bombers from 2010) to clarify a scene that I'd remembered one way and a fellow TV Troper had remembered another; the DVD wasn't yet out and it was no longer on in the cinema (and in case you were wondering I paid money for both) and was delighted to find torrent sites awash with copies of the film, some with upwards of a hundred seeds. Yay! Downloaded the torrent and it started coming dow
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Actually, even on The Pirate Bay, a fake torrent can get listed with thousands of seeders.
The thing is, the company the MPAA are outsourcing this pirate hunt to, aren't the brightest.
They'll create torrents for Iron Man 3, or The Walking Dead episode 1x07 or something.
And they'll create a dozen torrents with thousands of seeders each, in under 10 minutes.
It's really really not difficult to avoid fakes.
And yeah, anyone who downloads software from a Torrent site, is asking to be owned.
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Ever feel the prickly things on the back of your neck? That's them.
Ironically... (Score:4, Funny)
Ironically, it's the two-thirds of US users without fast broadband [slashdot.org] who are responsible for supplying the two-thirds non-fake content. It's a tough job...
Not Only (Score:3)
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Most? Give me a break.
That's actually a question I've had (Score:5, Interesting)
I can understand someone creating spam pages for popular search terms but I've never understood quite how they manage to come up with really obscure shit, like if I type in "three inch frange demodulator" and there's the first hit proudly declaring "Internet's leader for three inch frange demodulators!" I just made that term up two seconds ago. How do they get that cached into google? A few years back they were doing that with porn text and it would be "'Harder!' she cried, and I thrust my three inch frange demodulator deep inside." I have two questions: how did they do that and is it even doing anything useful for them? Surely they couldn't generate real ad revenue off of banner cruft on that sort of page, right?
I'm not sure of the utility of the torrent spams, either. I know never to download video files that are compressed archives because it's just going to be a scam to get you to sign up for something or pay to get the password but those are few and far between. Pirate Bay and kickasstorrents are usually pretty good. It's the other oddball sites that don't even have the damn file you're looking for but give you a dozen "sponsored links" that pretend like they do and don't. Do they live off of money made from drive-by malware?
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I can understand someone creating spam pages for popular search terms but I've never understood quite how they manage to come up with really obscure shit, like if I type in "three inch frange demodulator" and there's the first hit proudly declaring "Internet's leader for three inch frange demodulators!" I just made that term up two seconds ago. How do they get that cached into google?
Well I don't know how they get them on google, but on P2P it's trivial as you just parse the request and return a fake result using the "Unreleased [search] pics.zip". Same with any "warez search" where they control the search engine and just send you link-chasing through 5 pages of ads before finally hitting a paywall. I don't really understand what you're on about about google though, because if I search for "three inch frange demodulator" the closest it came up with was "Ecoplus 4 inch Flange Kit" and a
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Actually, the top 2 results for "three inch frange demodulator" are... on slashdot :)
First Fake Post (Score:2)
Frist_Plake_OST_Flak_by_GR34Torz.zip 245 Mb
Download Torrent HERE
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>Da biggu da betta for u V14GR4 Klick here
1. DISSS toRRENtz is GREATOOOOORRRRzz1111
2. Cool Bro
3. Dont Download VIRUS!!!!!!
4. ou area l fags and ned o die!!!!!11111
5. P3NIS P3NIS P3nis P3Ni5 P3Nis P3niS
5. I hate my life
6. emofag
7. lol
I'm almost surprised (Score:2)
hmm (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:hmm (Score:4, Interesting)
I've never gotten a fake or malware-infected file; oh wait, I actually pay for the software, music, and movies that I want to watch. Maybe that's why.
While you have a point, as history has proven, buying legit doesn't always protect you from malware. [wikipedia.org] And haven't there been cases where viruses and malware has gotten onto the installation discs of legit software at the CD factory?
That isn't an argument against buying legit software; my point is even with legitimate software you need to keep an eye out.
mininova? (Score:3)
Mininova has been legal "content-distribution" only for a long time. How old is this research?
One of the few things against TPB policy (Score:2)
Apparently, fakes are one of the very few things against TPB policy.
From http://thepiratebay.org/about [thepiratebay.org] :
"The Pirate Bay only removes torrents if the name isn't in accordance with the content. One must know what is being downloaded. (accordance with the content also means any torrents which description is made to match a certain search phrase that is not relevant will also be deleted)"
http://thepiratebay.org/policy [thepiratebay.org] also tries to preclude commercial interference with TPB; the about page obliquely refers to an
That's never been my problem (Score:2)
Fakes have never been my problem with TPB - rare stuff that doesn't get seeded all the way is a far more common and thus far more frustrating problem.
Once I unknowingly uploaded a file that was corrupted, the comments pointed this out, and I then actually bothered to fix, reupload and reseed.
As with many other computer-tech issues, it's a PEBKAC problem. :)
Mininova is not a major Bittorrent portal any more (Score:2)
Shows how outdated the study is.
Huh? (Score:2)
I've already covered something similar (Score:2)
So what? (Score:2)
So what if they're fake? The fake ones don't have any seeders, and have comments like "WTF fake!!!" on them. They are easily identifiable and easily ignored.
It doesn't matter how many are fake (Score:2)
Isn't Mininova ALL fake? (Score:2)
or was there another reason why people stopped using it a couple of years ago? (I forgot) I'm not sure where these guys got the idea that it's a "major bittorrent portal", it hasn't been for a long time..
Bonus Footage! (Score:2)
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