Kaspersky Quits BSA Over SOPA Support 140
First time accepted submitter Cmdrm writes with an article about Kaspersky Lab quitting the BSA over their (now lukewarm) support of SOPA. From the press release: "Kaspersky Lab would like to clarify that the company did not participate in the elaboration or discussion of the SOPA initiative and does not support it. Moreover, the company believes that the SOPA initiative might actually be counter-productive for the public interest, and decided to discontinue its membership in the BSA as of January 1, 2012.'"
Wow (Score:5, Funny)
Didn't know The Boy Scouts of America had a dog in this fight.
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And what about the Scouts Of Parental Age?!
Re:Wow (Score:5, Funny)
Well, now they're banned from going into the woods with strange men, ship-to-ship combat with pirates is their one hope of getting a decent badge. Just don't tell them that these aren't the pirates with ships, you'd break their hearts.
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How can you have pirates without ninjas?
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Mostly because the scouts were raided by the Mormons to become a recruiting agency.
The Boy Scouts used to be a great organization. But recently it has became a utter mess pushing a religious agenda upon the kids.
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Re:Difference between Europe and USA (Score:5, Insightful)
Boy Scouts of America is a private organization and as such has the right to set requirements for membership. The Scout Law explicitly states that a scout is reverent. The Scout Oath states that a scout will "do my duty to God and my country." You can see how an atheist could not recite the Scout Law or the Oath with a clear conscious. The only way atheists could participate in Scouting would be if BSA changed the Law and the Oath, but neither of those things have changed since their adoption in 1911. To change them would be to compromise the principles on which Scouting was founded.
As far as pushing Mormonism, this is the first I've ever heard of it. I am an Eagle Scout and have been very active in the Scouting community for the last 20 years or so. While Scouting makes a big deal about being reverent, they do not push any specific denomination. There are no religious requirements for advancement through the ranks. My troop was filled with a hodgepodge of Baptists, Methodists, Catholics and a few others. Scout camp chapels were all non-denominational (though a few of the larger camps had chapels by denomination) and very general.
There was no religious agenda being pushed upon any of us.
As far as the gays issue, would you want your daughter going on an overnight girlscout trip led by a male leader? Its the same issue. I know most gays are good people who wouldn't harm anyone, but don't pretend they are all saints. There is, at the very least, a perception issue and at the worst there is a legitimate safety issue for the boys in the troop.
BSA is a great organization that does a lot for boys and for this country. Every Eagle Scout has to do a service project that benefits his community. These are no small things, they typically require a few hundred man hours and get the scout's whole troop involved. They can't be done for Scouts or on Scout owned land. Every boy, to advance in the higher ranks, must hold a leadership position in the troop for at least 3 months. They learn how to work together, how to plan a camping trip, how to prepare for emergencies, basic first aid. Many boys have found their vocation through merit badges such as Environmental Science, Radio, Emergency Preparedness, Music or even Computers.
You can disagree with BSA's morals or with their admissions requirements or whatever. But please, don't demonize an organization that has done so much good and that is well within its rights to determine these policies you find disagreeable.
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As far as the gays issue, would you want your daughter going on an overnight girlscout trip led by a male leader? Its the same issue. I know most gays are good people who wouldn't harm anyone, but don't pretend they are all saints. There is, at the very least, a perception issue and at the worst there is a legitimate safety issue for the boys in the troop.
just to let you know, in case you weren't completely sure:
YOU ARE A HOMOPHOBE.
and, news alert: they are not out to get you. if anything, I'd worry about
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Calling someone a name very rarely helps, and you'll find that most people who are labelled "homophobes" simply have never known or interacted with publicly gay people for an extended period of time.
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God is nothing, I can very much do my duty to nothing and my country. My reverence is blasphemy against false gods and the contagious mental illness of faith and ignorance. I can very much follow those rules in my own way.
Re:Difference between Europe and USA (Score:4, Insightful)
Then again, if people were to go around saying 2 + 2 = 5, or that the world is flat, and if acknowledgment of these positions was taught to children and practically required by politicians running for office, and historically used to enforce dogma on others and hold back science...
Then wouldn't people be justified in speaking out? For fuck's sake, it's 2011, and we've got people killing and enslaving each other over mythology. I say it's about time that we grow up and kill and enslave each other over legitimate reasons.
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As far as pushing Mormonism, this is the first I've ever heard of it. I am an Eagle Scout and have been very active in the Scouting community for the last 20 years or so. While Scouting makes a big deal about being reverent, they do not push any specific denomination. There are no religious requirements for advancement through the ranks. My troop was filled with a hodgepodge of Baptists, Methodists, Catholics and a few others. Scout camp chapels were all non-denominational (though a few of the larger camps had chapels by denomination) and very general.
There is a rumor that National has been largely taken over by Mormons; I don't know if it's true--and so long as they maintain the relatively open nature of the program, I don't care. I've known some great Mormons.
You can disagree with BSA's morals or with their admissions requirements or whatever. But please, don't demonize an organization that has done so much good and that is well within its rights to determine these policies you find disagreeable.
This--very much this. The BSA gets a huge amount of negative press, and much of it is deserved--but it doesn't get anywhere near the positive press and credit for the good work it does that it deserves.
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Despite the BSA's claims, the traditional Scout approach to religion (from what I have read) is a weak pantheistic or deist stance, not explicit endorsement of organized religion as the BSA does today. Furthermore, most Scouting organizations are officially secular (including the Girl Scouts of America) and leave in "loopholes", for instance Scouts Canada creating a substitute for its Religion in Life badge wh
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If you live in the USA, do not join the Boy Scouts of America. It is a hateful and discriminatory organization which forces swearing of religious fealty and allegiance to a pre-approved religious group. If you do not live in the USA, investigate your local Scouting organization -- some are more moderate than others. If you live in Europe or Canada, it's a pretty safe bet it's fine. Asia is a crapshoot and in Africa groups are mostly run by missionaries
Pledge of Allegiance [wikipedia.org]
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I haven't been involved in BSA for about 20 years now (which is when I achieved Eagle and then went to college), so things have probably changed a lot since then, just as American society has changed a lot since then. When I was in Scouts, each troop was very different. Contrary to what the guy above said about troops being a hodge-podge of people of different religions, I didn't see this at all. Instead, what I saw was that each troop was tied to a certain church, so most of the members tended to be mem
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How do you reconcile this statement:
The Scout Law explicitly states that a scout is reverent. The Scout Oath states that a scout will "do my duty to God and my country."
with this one:
There was no religious agenda being pushed upon any of us.
?
As far as the gays issue, would you want your daughter going on an overnight girlscout trip led by a male leader? Its the same issue.
Yes, I'd be just fine with that. Everyone should be just fine with that. Pedo paranoia stops kids from forming good relationships with
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The problem here is you have an inability to understand that not everyone sees things your way. Your sig is a perfect example, you make blind statements of massive scope that are just utterly ignorant and then call others ignorant for not agreeing with you.
You seem to think that it is impossible for someone to have an opinion without pushing it on the rest of the world JUST because you have no ability to have an opinion without trying to push it on the rest of us.
You are the exact type of person you're try
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The problem here is you have an inability to understand that not everyone sees things your way.
There's really only one way to see things, the correct way. The way I see things may not in fact be the correct way, in which case I invite you to correct me.
Your sig is a perfect example, you make blind statements of massive scope that are just utterly ignorant and then call others ignorant for not agreeing with you.
What in particular are you talking about? "Censorship is obscene" is as well supported as any o
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As far as the gays issue, would you want your daughter going on an overnight girlscout trip led by a male leader? Its the same issue. I know most gays are good people who wouldn't harm anyone, but don't pretend they are all saints.
Most child molestation is done by heterosexual men. People that self-identify as homosexual (the very ones that are barred) have a much lower rate of being involved in child molestation. So while most heterosexual men wouldn't harm anyone, don't pretend they are all saints.
There is, at the very least, a perception issue and at the worst there is a legitimate safety issue for the boys in the troop.
Because it's believed true by some, we should act as if it is true rather than educating people. With that approach we would still be back in the dark ages.
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"Would you want your daughter going on an overnight girlscout trip led by a male leader?"
How is this different from letting my daughter to spend the night at a friend's house? Oh my God! Her friend's dad will be there. And we all know that anytime a male is around people weaker than himself, he will always commit sexual assault! That's a pretty fucked up way to go through life. You must be terrified to be left alone with children for fear that you won't be able to contain yourself.
If it's not true for you,
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How is this different from letting my daughter to spend the night at a friend's house? Oh my God! Her friend's dad will be there. And we all know that anytime a male is around people weaker than himself, he will always commit sexual assault! That's a pretty fucked up way to go through life.
Welcome to life in modern America. This is exactly how most Americans think these days.
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You can disagree with BSA's morals or with their admissions requirements or whatever. But please, don't demonize an organization that has done so much good and that is well within its rights to determine these policies you find disagreeable.
BSA is well within its right to define discriminatory policies for their membership, but if they do, we're well within our rights to "demonize" them for it. Evil is evil, and deserves to be called out as such, and freedom of speech and conscience cuts both ways.
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This bigoted tripe got modded "insightful"?
How do you know your nice straight scoutmaster isn't going to butcher your kid and eat him? I know most straights aren't cannibals, but don't pretend they're all saints.
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You know when that stopped? When the BSA started selling off land to fund it's legal fight in the name of bigotry. Donated land, long held as fundamental to the teachings and skills that were a part of scouting, being lost to discriminate against gays, and non Christians.
You can claim that there's no religious bias, and amusingly go on to say that you had three different kinds of Christians in your troop as evid
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Where did you guys participate in scouting that had all these religious services? I was in the scouts and religion was never a part of it other than the occasional prayer. I never had "required" service or anything like that, and the local churches might have assisted but we got far more support from business and the local military than we ever did religions.
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No.
I worked summer camps for the scouts for 12 years, and a scout for 7 years before that. What you are both saying is stereotyping, just like the ideas that all gay men talk and act in an effeminate manner, or that all religious people are crackpots, or that anyone who knows computers is a socially inept virgin. I know the following from first-hand experience:
- Yes, the Mormons use the Boy Scouts as there boy's youth program, and sometimes it almost feels like they have their entire own different type
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I don't remember any religious indoctrination during my time as a scout. We had jews, muslims, and a wide variety of christain demoninations. Scouts could optionally persue medals from these groups and were authorized to wear them on the uniform, but they were not conducted by the BSA themselves and there was never any pressure to do so. Perhaps 10-20% of the scouts in my troop went for them.
We spent time learning how to build fires, tie knots, basic first aide and doing service projects, the only time rel
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penn/teller 'bullshit' show had an expo piece on the boy scouts.
mormons, sigh....
whatever religion touches, it ruins. so sad we still have to bow down to imaginary sky faeries. or, you get excluded!
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whatever religion touches, it ruins. so sad we still have to bow down to imaginary sky faeries. or, you get excluded!
Indeed guess we better get rid of the Big Bang Theory [wikipedia.org] and Al Gebra [wikipedia.org]. Filthy bigots and their tainted knowledge!
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The Boy Scouts have always been explicit about requiring their brainwashees to sign up for indoctrination in support of Queen, Country and God. They are, after all, a recruitment service for the army. Baden-Powell set them up explicitly to try to improve the average fitness and skill set of squaddies after his abysmal experiences with regular troops in the Boer War. In contrast,
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It varies greatly in Europe too. Some Scouts are sponsored by church and leaded by religious people and they tend to lean towards the religious stuff.
Baden-Powell is also not exactly very neutral person and he is interpreted in many ways.
My scout times...yes, it was mainly about building contraptions and camping in the woods, and occasionally making things explode when thrown into bonfire (canned peasoup does make a nice boom when cooked right...). And sneaking out nightly to Girl Guides tents was part of t
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That's the problem with applying a sectarian agenda to what's really a civic organization. You don't even have to be non-Xian to come up with a contrarian sectarian viewpoint.
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We have two different Scouts here: the religious, Catholic Church backed Scouts and the secular Scouts.
-1 for the BSA (Score:5, Insightful)
Kaspersky, not fanatic/evil enough to fit in the BSA.
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No, they're the ones who publicly announce it. Others want too, they just don't tell the world about it.
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The Sisyphean task of fighting anonymous botnet herders and spammers must quickly become frustrating. You have to follow the law and proper procedures, they do whatever the hell they want and typically operate sophisticated distributed systems with no central C+C that can be impossible to take down. I don't agree with him, but it's easy to see why he's come to think this way.
"might?" (Score:5, Insightful)
Might be counterproductive to the public interest? Wow, way to soft-peddle it.
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Meh, they withdrew support from the dont-copy-that-floppy group... I think their response was stern enough.
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Soft-peddle? Who cares. They QUIT the BSA because of it. It's better than saying:
"Ohh, we don't like that they do this but we're still willing to pay our $$$$$/year to remain a member....but we really don't like what you're doing and we almost, kinda, sorta mean it!"
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No argument. I'm glad they did it. I just wish they'd worded their statement a bit more strongly.
Re:"might?" (Score:4, Interesting)
Kaspersky Lab makes big $$$ over "checking" the pirated/counterfeit content to be virus free, so hardly any surprise here.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. This can produce some very strange alliances.
Bravo (Score:5, Insightful)
Kudos to Kaspersky for having a spine. SOPA is a sick, twisted power grab by big media, and their quitting the Business Software Alliance over it is a good thing IMO.
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Ouch. (Score:4, Funny)
You know you've taken your censorship too far when the Russians are telling you to dial it down.
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Fuck the BSA (Score:5, Insightful)
Posted anonymously because I don't want the BSA on me. The BSA is a pack of lawyers who exploit vague legal definitions to extort people out of money. They destroy small businesses reguardless of weather or not they actually bough the software and they run some of the dirtiest campaigns I've ever seen. Just look up "BSA Rat out your boss"... Seriously? Anybody who destroys some company because they have a chip on their shoulder and are greedy should be blacklisted - if you don't like where you work you should quit not destroy someones dream and leave all your coworkers jobless.
Fuck the BSA and anyone who ever took their side, Kapersky included.
Re:Fuck the BSA (Score:5, Insightful)
a) "Bosses who screw over their employess", "Bosses who pirate software" and "Bosses reported to BSA" are three intersecting sets, not the same set.
b) It's not too difficult for a disgruntled ex-employee to put something unlicensed somewhere on company's system before going to BSA. Just gotta be careful not to get found out.
c) And even when there's no licensing problems, BSA audit is one hell of a hassle.
Re:Fuck the BSA (Score:5, Insightful)
BSA audit isn't just a hassle, it's intractable. Can you prove that you hold a license to absolutely every single piece of software on your computer? Even the libraries and third-party drivers bundled with Windows? Do you track every install and keep hard copies of every license?
The BSA doesn't exist to fight piracy or advance the interests of its members. The BSA exists so a bunch of do-nothing law school graduates - remember, a lawyer is a person who practices law - can leech a living off of the companies and businesses that actually contribute to society.
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BSA audit isn't just a hassle, it's intractable. Can you prove that you hold a license to absolutely every single piece of software on your computer? Even the libraries and third-party drivers bundled with Windows? Do you track every install and keep hard copies of every license?
Actually, yes, I can prove it (though I don't have any hard copies of anything). It's pretty simple: I don't use Windows, and I don't use any commercial software.
Of course, most businesses can't get away with that for practicality
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I don't use non-free software. All titles on my computer have been audited to ensure they are unencumbered by the Debian project volunteers. Just don't add non-free to your sources, and all is good.
I totally respect that and commend you for living up to your own standards, but you're hopelessly naive here. The question is whether you can prove that you possess a valid license for every program on your system. Every. Program.
Do you have a license for /bin/[? You can prove that you're using the version as it was published by the FSF and amended only by people who did so in accordance with the original distribution license so that they were legally entitled to distribute it to you? Failing that, do you h
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Only the second option makes sense. The first one means paying twice for your software, first when actually buying it and the second time when BSA comes up and decides all by themselves you haven't bought it after all. On the other hand, if you've gone all FOSS, they don't enjoy half as much freedoms of ruining your day.
This math has potential of affecting the software market quite seriously. I wonder when the rest are going to smell the coffee and disconnect themselves from those thugs.
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Even small IT shops have gotten serious about software inventory. File and track licenses centrally and don't give users who don't need it admin privilege. I seldom log in as Administrator on my Windows PC. It not only protects you from audits, but also saves you from buying software that you don't need or already have a site license to.
Re:Fuck the BSA (Score:5, Interesting)
Every small business I know that has survived a BSA audit has switched to OSS. I made a hefty salary doing that over the past 10 years helping small business do just that.
Changing out the backend to OSS is the most painless for them. switching to OSS apps under windows get them a taste. IT'w when you set up a single machine with linux and show them it works (and you have more control so elf bowling cant get installed, yes I know you can do this under windows) is when they go "oh really!" and jump on that bandwagon.
Some apps they cant walk away from windows, but their liability is significantly reduced by fixing the mess that Microsoft has with their server licensing. Most businesses are out of compliance with their server licenses, and that is where the BSA typically nails them.
Re:Fuck the BSA (Score:5, Interesting)
THIS! We were mainly OSS to begin with and that saved us, and we actually had all the boxes and receipts for everything else. But in the end after the BSA dropped their case we wiped everything and now every corporate machine is 100% OSS. I honestly hope they come after us again so we can just laugh at them. Fuckers.
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> If you work hard making a resume in LibrOffice yet it looks like crap on my system with MSOffice I will throw it in the recycling bin.
Never had that problem ever. Try trolling harder.
The truth is that even different versions of the official monopoly product don't play well together. This is why a lot of companies use PDF for trading data. Also avoids those revision control security issues in word.
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Real men and women write their resumes in LaTeX.
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It is ludricrious to send and receive documents without Windows and Office as it means unprofessionalism and lost sales.
And the rest of us that open ODF files in Google Docs or Wordpad are just fine. FWIW, businesses upgrade to the most recent version of Office when they upgrade the systems, because you can't get the depreciation tax deduction on fully depreciated hardware (assuming your company is profitable enough to want the deduction).
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"And the rest of us that open ODF files in Google Docs or Wordpad are just fine. FWIW, businesses upgrade to the most recent version of Office when they upgrade the systems, because you can't get the depreciation tax deduction on fully depreciated hardware (assuming your company is profitable enough to want the deduction).
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If a client has to do that they will just ignore you and use a competitor instead. Doesn't even run Office WTF?!
I am not saying I agree with this as this is how MS created their monopoly
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I send PDFs usually, if I'm sending a document in an editable format it's because whoever I'm working with (a client for example) is going to add something and send it back to me - in which case there isn't going to be a lot of formatting on the document to begin with. Linux breaking in an upgrade is an odd thing to say too, I've had some quirks but never anything serious and certainly nothing show-stopper level. As for users are you talking about clients? Most of my current clients have mixed systems and i
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You're a moron. Anyone with half a brain sends their resume out in PDF form, since anything someone makes in MS Office will look like crap when you open it on your MS office system, as Word reformats every document to fit the current default printer. PDF eliminates this problem, and there's no reason to distribute a read-only document in a non-read-only format.
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Every small business I know that has survived a BSA audit has switched to OSS. I made a hefty salary doing that over the past 10 years helping small business do just that.
Where I feel the BSA wins, is in scaring a lot of the others, especially with those letters they send around that sound like you might be next on their list.
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Replace BSA with OSHA you you have the same thing about workplace safety.
Re:Fuck OSHA (Score:2)
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...except you just have to follow the rules with OSHA.
That's a relatively simple matter compared to making sure that you paid for everything and documented it in a manner that the BSA will accept. It's more like needing to properly document all of your OSHA relevant work and keep receipts and blueprints.
Entirely different kettle of fish.
Although it may be "inconvenient" if you flaunt sensible safety practices as many workplaces do.
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I'd actually be fine with OSHA being more proactive and giving people fines. I've been in loads of places of work where there aren't just minor violations but major ones. Like really major ones. Like "the hatch on the roof access is installed backwards, so it's actually really hard to get off the ladder and onto the roof".
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Well I've got a grudge to bear against my employer, and thanks to this thread have some ideas about what to do. There is so much dodgy s/w in this place it's hard to find the legit copies. I could even tell them where to look, no need for this "oh fiddlesticks, all these unlicensed copies of Office on everyone's PC must have been installed by a rogue employee!" nonsense in this thread. I hope BSA operates in the UK, and that they accept anonymous tip-offs.
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https://reporting-emea.bsa.org/r/report/add.aspx?src=uk&ln=en-gb
Re:Fuck the BSA (Score:5, Insightful)
Just look up "BSA Rat out your boss"... Seriously? Anybody who destroys some company because they have a chip on their shoulder and are greedy should be blacklisted
Considering how it seems US companies treat their workers, I'd say calling the BSA is many steps below going postal. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the same companies that do gross, systematic piracy are also equally willing to screw over their employees over pay and benefits. I figure the BSA are looking for disgruntled ex-workers with opinions ranging from "couldn't happen to a nicer company" to "f*ck you too". Besides while the BSA are a nasty bunch, having piracy-using companies undercut other companies ruins it for everybody else. I have a lot less sympathy for commercial users who use it to widen their profit margin...
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Why are you all so frightful in the USA?
Don't just say you have balls! Have some balls!
They are the Mafia. Yes, they are dangerous fucked-up criminals. But the more you are frightened, and the more you give in, the more they grab power and take.
In essence, if hitting you makes you obey, they know (and we know too) they can get away with hitting you again!
That whole shit only started because people let themselves treat that way, or just were passive about the whole thing, in the first place! Which is exactly
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God, yes. They are very much the mafia, but instead of thugs and guns, they have lawyers wielding pens.
Now what boggles my mind is if a BSA employee shows up at your front desk, can you legally throw them out for trespassing or something ? They're not from the government, so in my mind they should not have any right to invade your space and rifle through your files, digital or paper. Or did some goddamned senile senator pass a bill granting them super powers ?
Re:Fuck the BSA (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone smart will throw out ANYONE demanding anything if they dont have a warrant in hand. Most of the time the BSA shows up with rented local police so they look more official.
If they do not have a warrant, throw them out, and instantly call the lawyers.
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This.
The BSA is effectively a group of organized white-collar criminals who coopt or misrepresent law enforcement officials in order to extort cash from any and all companies that happen to blip on their radar.
If the BSA shows up at your door with a "search warrant", call the cops. If the police are their with them, call the chief of police. If the chief of police is there with them, shoot the whole lot dead. The BSA is not a government-sanctioned entity nor are they sanctioned by one, they have no right
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Posted anonymously because I don't want the BSA on me. The BSA is a pack of lawyers who exploit vague legal definitions to extort people out of money. They destroy small businesses reguardless of weather or not they actually bough the software and they run some of the dirtiest campaigns I've ever seen. Just look up "BSA Rat out your boss"... Seriously? Anybody who destroys some company because they have a chip on their shoulder and are greedy should be blacklisted - if you don't like where you work you should quit not destroy someones dream and leave all your coworkers jobless.
Fuck the BSA and anyone who ever took their side, Kapersky included.
Wow. How many extra copies of Office did you install?
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He is running an office of 300 on a single copy of Server 2010 small business edition and no extra CAL's.
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You boss deserves it if the asshole wont pay for the software.
If your scumbag boss cant afford Windows Server and Exchange, he can install linux for free. There is ZERO excuse for piracy in business other than being incredibly lazy or just lecherous.
There is a free and open source application for EVERY PART of business. just because the business owner is too lazy to learn new software does not give them the right to steal it instead.
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Solution is easy: just don't use any software from the BSA members.
The Open Source alternatives are quite strong, you would be surprised.
routing around SOPA damage (Score:1)
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SOPA censorship is a fascist attack, and internet damage. It won't be too long before most of the world simply routes around the USA as an irreparably damaged internet zone in a "Running Man" type police state.
I'm not sure it's going to come to that; the US economy is a house of cards now, and before turning into a police state, I think it'll probably break apart into separate countries, much like what happened to the Roman Empire or the Soviet Union.
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I am not an american, but I don't think there is enough regional identity for this to happen.
I guess there is still a north/south and a little east/west division, but not enough to split into separate countries.
What I see happening is that over the next 15 years, things will get worse, until when oil prices skyrocket agin, the economy will collapse. Because people are restless now when things aren't too bad, they will actually revolt and riot then. That's when the government will use the powers they have be
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You must have missed all the secession talk by various states like Texas, Arizona, etc., and states suing the Federal government and vice versa. Plus, the entire Southeast region attempted to secede 160 years and failed, but the people in that region still have negative feelings towards the rest of the country. Heck, the entire Republican party was basically banned in the South up until the mid-to-late 1970s because of the Civil War and Abraham Lincoln. (It wasn't "banned" per se, but it was absolutely i
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I also forgot to mention, there's already been a bunch of mini-revolts by various states over various issues. You talk about the government using powers they've been building up. One thing they tried to do recently was pass a "RealID" act, requiring all citizens to have Federal identification (state-issued, but meeting Federal standards). A bunch of states passed laws forbidding those states to follow the Federal law. In what other country do you have a situation where the regional governments pass laws
Pun time! (Score:5, Funny)
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/me throws tomatoes
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that's just sopa-thetic, it is
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You need to have your mouth washed out with Sopa...
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PR stunt (Score:1, Interesting)
Looks like a PR stunt. They'll probably soon be back in.
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I don't think so. There is consistency in what they say and do. They don't do BS, and it's not like the company needs the publicity.
Now can fake antivirus use BSA? / SOPA / DMCA to (Score:2)
shut down the real antivirus companys? sue users who end up with the fake software? sue people who do a charge back after buying it?
use the DMCA to stop the real antivirus apps? Use the DMCA / SOPA to shut down sites telling you how to remove them?
Might? MIGHT?!? (Score:1)
Try, "absolutely fucking beyond a hint of a shadow of a doubt WILL actually be counter-productive for the public interest".