Chrome OS Introduces Aura Window Manager 162
An anonymous reader writes "Don't look now, but Google has officially revealed their intentions to go after Windows and OS X. Chrome OS 19 has arrived for Samsung Series 5 and Acer AC700 Chromebooks running the developer channel, and the changes it brings may shock you. The new Aura window manager has landed, bringing with it a number of features that you'd expect from a traditional OS. For starters, there’s the Shelf along the bottom of the screen. It’s set to hide when you’ve got a browser window maximized by default, but you can choose to have it always on top or auto-hide, too, just like the Windows taskbar or OS X dock."
Still working on it. (Score:5, Insightful)
It surprises me they are still working on Chrome OS. Its probably not too bad, but I don't exactly see a huge demand for it, especially since they also have android which would work nearly as well for what they want to do with Chrome OS.
I kinda wish they pushed for Wave harder. That looked like something I would use.
Re:Still working on it. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yea, worst of all worlds. It only runs web apps but few are so totally 100% always on that they are going to be comfortable with that. So now they add a desktop but it has fewer apps than any other possible system and will for a while unless they dump a ton of cash into it. Even Linux (as in a typical Linux/GNU/X distribution) has tons more apps.
The problem is the whole net centrism of Chrome OS. By definition it can't offer anything that any other platform that can run Chrome the browser can't also run. So that means anything developed for Chrome OS also runs everywhere Chrome the browser runs. Which means Chrome the OS, by definition, runs a pure subset of what every other Chrome the browser platform can run. Every other platform gets 100% of Chrome OS's app pool + it's own. And since they were stupid enough to put Intel chips in the machines they don't even get a power/battery life advantage. In fact an ARM based netbook/laptop running Linux + Chromium (Don't think Chrome itself is available on Linux/ARM but the unofficial Chromium almost certainly is.) probably would be a better deal
Re:Still working on it. (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem is the whole net centrism of Chrome OS. By definition it can't offer anything that any other platform that can run Chrome the browser can't also run. So that means anything developed for Chrome OS also runs everywhere Chrome the browser runs. Which means Chrome the OS, by definition, runs a pure subset of what every other Chrome the browser platform can run. Every other platform gets 100% of Chrome OS's app pool + it's own.
You're ignoring how that can be a significant advantage. The alternative is what you want when you're Microsoft: You want your platform to run everything everyone else's can and then a lot more, because the more stuff runs on your platform and not others, the less people are able to switch. But that only works when you're already in the dominant market position -- adding some cool API or whatever is close to useless if the only way you can use it is if all your customers have ChromeOS and nobody does.
Now look at it from the other side: Suppose you make it so Chrome on Windows and OS X does everything Chrome OS can do. OK, now you convince some companies that it would be a good idea to write their custom business application against Chrome -- that way it will run on all major platforms, and for the few users who need only that application, you can buy them a Chrome OS computer which is cheaper and practically immune to viruses. Which provides the thin end of the wedge: Get people using Chrome OS in a limited capacity and the next custom business application that comes around for a refresh gets "works on our existing Chrome OS machines" as a requirement. Five or ten years later, everything businesses do works on Chrome OS and they start wondering what sense it makes paying money for Windows licenses.
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But that's where it's so brilliant! I can have my Debian heavyweight desktop running Chrome as an app alongside firefox and everything else, still use the cloud tools from that along with my nice local ones. And when I'm on the go, I can use my phone which *also* runs chromium and use the same web applications along with it's local ones. And I can borrow a ChromeOS netbook from my employer for a task, run the same Chrome webapps, and not have to worr about getting software loaded on it...
No, a ChromeOS devi
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cloud-only computing is a pipe dream
"cloud-only" maybe, but the cloud is a cheap, readily available and useful resource. it also isn't restricted to datacenter hosts. i work for an sme that hosts its own browser-based app for day-to-day functions. web browsers+w3c are useful delivery tools from a development point of view (particularly since MS has pulled its finger out and realized that IE6 is a POS and that w3c standards are better than their own.
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when you don't have Internet
And when, exactly, is that? It happens about as often as (and is often simultaneous with when) you don't have electricity, which tends to brick just about everything after a few hours when the batteries run down, or immediately for anything without batteries. If you have cellular wireless service in addition to wifi, it happens approximately never, because the only place you don't have one or the other (if not both) is the middle of the woods where you, again, have no electricity (not to mention no corporat
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Chrome On Linux/Arm
COLA
That's right, people, you saw it here first.
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I believe comp.os.linux.advocacy preceded you.
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Which means Chrome the OS, by definition, runs a pure subset of what every other Chrome the browser platform can run.
/. causes the Android browser (is it not Chrome as well?) to crash on limited and cheap Android tablets. I suspect that Chrome OS could hold it better.
This is not to disagree with you, but to point there could be a niche for Chrome OS - low capability(=>very low price) mobile devices.
If I'm right in my assumption, we may see a boost in "HTML5 gaming" - I'm sure Google would love it, be it only to crack the garden-wall of the Apple (as in: being HTML5, the game plays well on iPad - and delivers the Googl
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I've logged in and posted to /. on my ICS phone, and read /. many many times on my gingerbread phone. I believe what you meant to say is that things crash on cheap Android tablets (or cheap anything else).
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Google either buying or forking ReactOS would be a great idea - make Windows 7 the target spec on which to base it, build into it everything that it needs, borrowing generously from Chrome OS and only substituting IE9 w/ Chrome, so that there are no issues, and run w/ it. Offer different Window Managers at installation - be it XP, 7, 2k, 98, ME, Vista, whatever.... Have different editions, just like Windows does, and offer various options @ various price points, ranging from $20 all the way up to $200, de
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Google either buying or forking ReactOS would be a great idea...
Dumb ideas both. ReactOS as a broad based open source project is not for sale, just forget that. And why fork it, just to annoy the community? Do you somehow imagine that only Google can develop good code suited to purpose, and has a monopoly on development talent? I can assure you: Google as a company has nothing special in the development department. They are just a bunch of random schmucks like you and me, who happened to hit the sweet spot on Google's rather random interview process.
Sure, Google could h
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I suggested forking the project for a bunch of reasons, namely
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They are just a bunch of random schmucks like you and me, who happened to hit the sweet spot on Google's rather random interview process.
What's up? Would Google not give you a job?
Perhaps they weren't impressed by the failure of Tux2 and Tux3.
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chrome OS not going to make a dent here with the kind of deals you mentioned.
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Yea, worst of all worlds. It only runs web apps
Yeh but there are advantages to dumb terminals, like lower power requirements, more hardware architecture options and centralising resources. Think of how overpowered most office machines are already, getting all those spare cycles into a central location could be very fruitful (both in cost and power). If you've ever been responsible for more than 5 machines you'll appreciate centralised management systems. Think Active Directory with a whole lot less complexity exposed to Murphy and his team of gremlins.
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Yea, worst of all worlds. It only runs web apps but few are so totally 100% always on that they are going to be comfortable with that. So now they add a desktop but it has fewer apps than any other possible system and will for a while unless they dump a ton of cash into it. Even Linux (as in a typical Linux/GNU/X distribution) has tons more apps.
To be fair they're not just web apps. You can compile C/C++ apps using PNaCL and run them natively in a sandbox. It would have been better of course if Google had used LLVM instead of architecture specific assembler.
I do think Chrome OS is a waste of time. It's main claim is it boots fast into a browser. Other than that it's pretty useless. Google already have a perfectly functional tablet / netbook OS called Android. They should shitcan Chrome OS and move some of the work they've done on optimizing batte
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Not all of the Chromebooks use Intel. Some use Qualcomm chips. There's a hint that your info is not 100% accurate. ;-D
Re:Still working on it. (Score:5, Interesting)
I think you're missing the point. Chrome OS is not really for consumers - it's for Enterprises and Educational institutions.
These groups want a device that is highly secure, low / no maintenance and can be given to any random employee / student without much thinking about it. Add in the Enteprise controls that are available through a simple Web GUI and you can massively simplify the management and operation of your IT assets.
Is it something you give to your accountants or marketing team - no. Is it something you give to people working in the field or call centre staff or students - yes it is.
When you think of it this way, then Chrome OS is quite a unique solution and not worth the slamming that everyone here is giving it. There are some valid questions about how much of this could be folded into Android - but at present it has value, just probably not to you.
Re:Still working on it. (Score:5, Insightful)
> it's for Enterprises and Educational institutions.
In other words, wouldn't they be happier with TERMINALS? That is what we are talking about after all, reinvent terminals and centralized computing, the priesthood and all that stuff people snuk in Apple ][ machines all those years ago to escape from? Only instead of VT102 escape codes we are using HTML5 on much more capable terminals. And now there is a cool video by some hipster douche telling us we don't want a computer anymore, we just want to use Google's instead of a blue suited IBM rep selling a mainframe.
But it is the same siren song, users with computers is dangerous, expensive, etc. Let US take all that away... for low monthly payments.
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> Only instead of VT102 escape codes we are using HTML5 on much more capable terminals
Awesome false analogy...comparing a terminal to a web browser experience.
> But it is the same siren song, users with computers is dangerous, expensive, etc. Let US take all that away... for low monthly payments
If you've ever worked in a large enterprise you'll have seen the cost that businesses spend on trying to manage and maintain their IT assets. Personally, in the days when things can be accessed via a browser, I
Re:Still working on it. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm blessed with a glut of computing hardware, I suppose, but I have a desktop, a laptop, a chromebook, a tablet and a smartphone. Oh, and I have a bluetooth keyboard which can be used with the tablet or the phone. With all of those options, I would have predicted that I'd never use the chromebook. It seems like if I need a full keyboard I'd use the laptop or desktop, while if I just need to do something small, I'd use the tablet, or the phone.
In fact, I find the Chromebook fills a couple of important niches in my life. First, it's what I reach for when I want to look something up on the web, fast. It's more portable than the desktop, quicker to get running than the laptop and more useful (for web-based stuff) than the tablet or the phone. Second, it's my "shareable" computer. I'm not handing my laptop to anyone. I wouldn't even if it weren't a company laptop and therefore forbidden to be shared with non-employees. My tablet and my phone are even less shareable.
But the Chromebook? I log out, hand the little machine over and say "just log in with your Google account". And for people who use lots of web apps, all their apps are "there". If they use Chrome on other computers and use Chrome Sync, when they log in all of their bookmarks, etc., are all on the Chromebook already.
The combination of instant access, super battery life, built-in 3G data and shareability makes my Chromebook one of the most-used computers in my house.
(Disclaimer: I work for Google, but have no particular interest in selling Chromebooks. I just quite like mine -- though I probably wouldn't have one if Google hadn't given it to me.)
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How is that any better than opening your laptop's lid? It takes a couple of seconds for Mac OS X to wake up and connect to wi-fi.
My Chromebook is usable faster than my MacBook Pro.
It can also do a lot more thanks to the way more powerful CPU
Which doesn't really matter if all I'm going to do is use web apps. All the CPU horsepower I need is on the servers.
you can use Firefox instead of Google's proprietary browser
I prefer Chrome over Firefox anyway. It's faster and cleaner.
all those ChromeOS laptops are way overpriced
This I agree with. The price for mine was $0, so that wasn't an issue. Even with the bundled two years of 3G service, I still don't think I'd have paid $400, not with the extreme bandwidth limitation on the service (100 MB per month).
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and more useful (for web-based stuff) than the tablet
Disclaimer: I work for Google
You should have gotten something better than your Android tablet ;)
Meh. I've used iPads plenty; they're not significantly better than my Galaxy Tab in any way. And not nearly as good as my Chromebook, for the tasks for which the Chromebook is well-suited.
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True ... the terminal just works, while the "web browser experience" breaks something on updates, breaks in different ways on different browsers, and gave us the endless suck known as Facebook and Twitter and Google+.
Nobody's buying these PoS boxes when they can get an iPad2 for $20 more ($420 vs $400), and iPad3 with 4G for $70 more than the $450
Re:Still working on it. (Score:5, Insightful)
In other words, wouldn't they be happier with TERMINALS?
I'm with you, of course, I'm of the opinion that the trends are but a pendulum between central and distributed. I'd say we're still on the waxing side of the central ethos, but give it time and people will eventually want their data back.
However, I think it's all pretty neat. I for one am tired of the two decades of Microsoft that we are waking up from. People are seeing that the field of computers is much more diverse (which comes as no surprise for the people here on Slashdot, but now Grandma is asking "PC or Mac?")
We all are thinking "yawn" but c'mon, the industry needed a big shake up, and while technically we all here see this becoming nothing more than what we had in the 1970. We are changing the vendor from being one to anyone on the Intertubes. We are changing the equipment from being just a terminal to anything that can have a web browser. We are changing the people who create the content from those locked in a warm basement with punch cards, to a varity of diverse people from artist to programmers and everything in between. However, more importantly, this is showing the general consumer that there isn't just one computer to rule them all.
Slashdot users can smirk all they want about how this was already crystal clear to us, but the fact that even Microsoft's position is now challenged, forecasters say that Apple cannot stay at the top, and Google is all over the place unpredicable; means that the rule of alpha vendor may just be in fact ending, hopefully.
Limiting choice reduces anxiety (Score:2)
And increases satisfaction in some contexts. Look at the popularity of fast food.?. "Do you want a hamburger or a hamburger with cheese on it? Maybe you want some fish shaped like a hamburger on a hamburger bun?"
A lot of users I know are sort of afraid of their complex flexible machines. (Sad but true.) And, it seems to them, just when they get used to them MS or Apple upgrades. Yikes! Of course, as you pointed out, that is exciting for a good number users (people like you and me) but a lot of people don'
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Totally agree, that is exactly why most people prefer to live in prison.
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A good observation. No sarcasm needed. (Score:2)
I actually agree with you (Score:2)
Hey, I support users at work and those in the early 30ties often need the most babysitting.
That is interesting. And really is what makes Google's Chrome OS play so good from their perspective. Perhaps I should have said, "People who grew up being interested in computers." And I'll concede that that number is probably pretty stable over the last two generations (as a percentage of the population.). Although maybe it is a bit larger these days due to the size of the industry and the general availability of computers. That is, people who would naturally be interested in the bits and bytes get the e
Re:Still working on it. (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're going to be precise, we're not talking a move back to dumb terminals with Chrome, but a less restrictive move to more specialized computing devices instead of a general purpose computer. We are discussing putting limits on users, and limits that many here on slashdot would chafe under, but they aren't as drastic as the terms you chose.
For one thing, an OS such as Windows already has some of the same limits. Using the box for art may mean either a lot of expense for a legitimate copy of Photoshop or running pirated copies, or using something like the Gimp that may not be compatable with the next service pack and may never have good support. High prices for lots of business, math or music software similarly mean a lot of users can't afford to legally build the tool that can focus on some of those "General Purpose" uses. Keeping system hooks and APIs and such secret is a separate cause of making machines into non-general purpose computers, or specialty boxes, or whatever you want to call them. Apple's walled garden approach is effectively a vector pointed away from "General Purpose" computers in similar ways. Even Linux has some of this problem when you look at the whole package, i.e. what people mean by saying designers are 'dumbing down' the Gnome interface is precisely the same as saying they think less variety of purposes are suitable under it.
However, if you call those limited boxes terminals, I suspect the people pushing Chrome OS, Cloud Computing, and other things will both point out the differences from those old 'green on black texty thingees' until the similarities are obscured, and keep treating the base Windows or OS X type system as though it were a totally pure "General Computing" environment and the browser based systems were just a small step down from that purity. We do better to stress that even the baseline OSes have many, many points where they veer away from the idea of supporting a box that can do anything the user wants, (at least if it has the raw computing power to handle that task). Most users have run into the problem of not being able to do some task or other any better, even on a much more powerful machine than they once used. Or they remember being able to do something on an older machine that they can't do at all anymore. Warning them that these browser focused 'solutions' will have more of that sort of problem is something many of them will understand.
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No not really (Score:2)
For one I see better terminal type options (RDP thin clients are easy to get). However if that is what it is for Google needs to L2enterprisesupport. Google is good at many things but supporting the enterprise isn't one of them. Their idea of support seems to be "Just read a webpage and if that doesn't have the answer, ummm, don't bother us!"
Also they could, you know, market it for that if that's the idea. Being that I work at an educational institution, quite a major research university, and they've never
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I think you're missing the point. Chrome OS is not really for consumers - it's for Enterprises and Educational institutions.
Actually, I would argue that you're right and wrong concurrently.
I agree with your second assertion: this is absolutely geared towards large organisations which have a user-set whose members perform routinised and low-skilled job duties (think data entry or customer service), and can access all the tools they need from a browser.
However, you're wrong in saying consumers would find no use for this. I can think of a number of people in my life -- older baby-boomers -- who do all of their stuff online and wo
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Software projects are never done. Netware went into receivership with a considerable to-do list, as did every other retired project.
Android and Chrome may converge one day.
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It surprises me they are still working on Chrome OS
It doesn't surprise me at all because I have some insight into the level of hubris in the executive suite there.
XP replacement (Score:3)
It surprises me they are still working on Chrome OS. Its probably not too bad, but I don't exactly see a huge demand for it, especially since they also have android which would work nearly as well for what they want to do with Chrome OS.
I kinda wish they pushed for Wave harder. That looked like something I would use.
On the contrary, seems to me that Chrome OS, or more appropriately, Chromium OS, would be a perfect replacement for Windows XP to people who can't buy Windows 7 or any extra hardware to run it. Unlike other Linuxes, here they would have Google behind the thing. Actually, more appropriately, Google ought to escalate the role of Chrome OS from being just a web OS to a general purpose one, like Windows.
I do worry about things like driver support. Incidentally, is there any reason Google chose to go w/ Lin
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Only 76 more versions (Score:2, Funny)
Then they'll catch up to Windows 95.
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So next Tuesday then?
About Aura (Score:5, Informative)
Here's the relevant info about Aura [chromium.org].
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Just noticed that the documents author is Ben Goodger, the guy that started Firefox.
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Actually, don't bother answering - nobody's buying chromebooks anyway. They're way over-priced, under-powered, extremely limited devices.
Remember how everyone was so excited when they first came out? Predicting that if they were sold for $200, they'd have an impact? Well, 2 years later, they're still twice the price or more, while all the competition has gotten cheaper and mor
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In other words, it's not even up to the level Win3x and Write. The only "Aura" around this is the smell of a dying project.
For $120 less than the current samsung, you can buy an iPad2. Or for $30 more, the new iPad. Better battery life, more portable, weighs less than half as much, way way more apps, touch screen, better build quality ...
Will this bring back the cheep SSD netbooks? (Score:2)
That will run Linux. If so I am excited.
Instead of all this new crap, why not FIX YUR BUGZ (Score:2, Flamebait)
The spec for CSS 2.1 was laid down in 1997 - 15 years ago. Today, you're STILL lucky if you can get non-trivial pages to render the same on different browsers without all sorts of tricks and tweaks.
This is ridiculous. 15 years, and CSS 2.1 is still broken. At this rate, it's a safe bet that you won't see CSS 3x implemented properly in your lifetime.
People want new features, but more importantly, they want stuff that works. Web browsers are not application platforms, and the whole DOM tree concept is
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So you can have perfectly-formed html and css, and it will still break. It's "broken by design" - just like we used to say about Windows. Also, no amount of back-filling is going to change the fundamental problems - html and css and javascript are not a good way to build programs, and never will be.
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"It was the iMac and iPod that brought them out of bankruptcy"
Apple never went bankrupt. And no, Bill Gates' $150 million investment didn't amount to more than a month or so of working capital - they had enough to last, but they needed the public assurance that Microsoft would continue to make Office for the Mac.
"People want something that is easy to use and just works."
Which is why they want Apple. And why, given a choice, they'll take an iPad and an app as opposed the the crapfest of browser-worl
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When Apple bought NeXT, Steve Jobs was not running Apple.... Gil Amelio was.
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We're still building the web with what can only be called pre-Model-T artisan methods. "Every nut and bolt lovingly shaped by hand". That's full-on retarded.
A couple of decade
yet another 'alternative OS'... (Score:3)
Hey, google, do us a favor and actually do something ground breaking with your OS. Take some cues from Plan9 that were never implemented on a desktop. Maybe make it more like a network OS than a hardware OS?
It sounds like it's going to be little more than a bootable interface to the web, I know. But google does employ people that were part of the Plan9 project, so it's not like they can't do something NEW.
Also, let me not be the first to say...I hope they realize they have to respect their users' privacy on their actual hardware...(I suspect they wont.)
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It sounds like it's going to be little more than a bootable interface to the web, I know.
Uhhh... you know... Chrome OS has existed for three years now. This is just a UI update.
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Uhhh... you know... Chrome OS has existed for three years now. This is just a UI update.
Yeah, I know it's existed. I just wish they'd do something other than a webos...something original, new, useful, interesting.
Officially revealed? (Score:5, Funny)
Don't look now, but Google has officially revealed their intentions to go after Windows and OS X.
So creating Chrome OS in the first place wasn't enough of a clue for you?
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Not really. It was released when Google still gave their engineers 20% time. With the result that they'd just release huge amounts of beta software with no apparent business purpose. ChromeOS was indistinguishable from the rest.
Google moves ever closer (Score:2)
Imagine a full Google OS, no monetary cost, offered under their current licenses. It's slick, clean, multi-platform, perhaps always in beta, but backed by a company with some of the best software engineering resources the planet has to offer, creating a near-perfect end user experience, all the while farming information from its users by default.
Sorry, but I'm not having any.
Paranoid? You're damned right I'm paranoi
This is the future (Score:2)
This is certainly the future. The only problem I see is that this future is not "now". Dataplans are currently too expensive (limited) for this to make sense.
I do not want to be locked out of all my software once:
- I go over my monthly cap.
- I leave the country (and am not willing to pay the roaming costs)
- My internet connection goes down
- Go into a rural area
I also experience hickups when travelling in the train. With my 3g i-net (in Switzerland) traveling in the train is r
VMware Image? (Score:5, Interesting)
Picasa/Google+ Integration (Score:2)
Picasa and Google+ Albums became one [google.com] a while back, almost a whole month ago. Keep up. ;) - HEX
serious case of NIH (Score:2)
Unfortunately, once companies get as large and rich as Google is now, they start to attract people who use their riches to realize projects that otherwise wouldn't stand a chance in an efficient market: ChromeOS, Go, Dart, native client, etc. Companies like Google should be asking themselves: would people be doing this at a startup if their own money was at stake? If not, it's probably not worth doing.
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I also find most people who throw around the phrase NIH probably can't program their way out of a wet paper bag.
It was inevitable (Score:2)
Concepts like the taskbar, process list, or dock are so ingrained in the way people who have computer experience think about using their systems that it was inevitable for this feature to make it's way into pretty much any user interface on the planet.
If you think of the "new" tablet-enabling interfaces, all they really do is specify a larger grid for the desktop of icons so they're easy to touch as well as click. That's the big "innovation", folks. Mouse gestures with your finger and bigger icons.
Bu
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I wonder how long it will be until the Apple fanbois realize single-tasking operating systems are a joke at any level of portability... :P
Looks like microsoft's WM (Score:2)
From the screenshots, the aethetics and colors, transparency, etc, look pretty much like whatever-microsoft's-window-manager is called.
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*shrug* I've got a Cr-48 and I fucking love it. I have used it every day since I got one in Dec '10.
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It's an extension. ThinkGeek sells a programmable USB one with a Javascript interface.
Re:Just cut it out (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of you people who say "there's no use for this" have probably never used a Chromebook. I have -- and though my initial reaction [infoworld.com] was not too far off from yours, I have to admit that I ended up using the thing way more than I ever expected I would.
My particular use case can be described as: "Eehhh, I guess I'll just leave it in the bedroom for when I need to look something up real quick."
Now, previously I might have done the same thing with some old laptop. But the genius of the Chromebook is that it's a Chrome browser and nothing but, so it never bothers you with anything that would go along with being able to do more than that. It never tells you there's a security fix for the printer driver, or asks if you want to upgrade to the latest Ubuntu distro (which changes the entire UI). If you have a few PCs lying around the house, you've probably rolled your eyes at least once when Microsoft's Patch Tuesday rolled around. That never happens here. It's just a Web browser that sits on the dresser.
There are security updates and it even gets new features, but it all happens behind the scenes, while you aren't paying attention, just like it does with the Chrome browser. Which is totally what you want when you really don't plan to use it for anything but browsing the Web.
Now, I'll go ahead and point out that this makes the Chromebook sort of a luxury item, because for most people who live in today's real world it's going to be a secondary computing device. You're going to buy another computer first, and then you'll buy one of these. But that's fine -- they aren't that expensive, and wasn't that pretty much the case with the entire netbook category, too?
You might say "but a netbook can do a lot more than a Chromebook, a Chromebook can hardly do anything" -- but I have no plans to do anything with it but surf the Web. Could I get a netbook and install Chrome on it? Yes, but that wouldn't be as convenient. Here, I grab it off the dresser, open the screen, and I've got a browser window. Three seconds.
It really is a pretty neat product. Google just hasn't done the best job of marketing it. Maybe that's because, unlike tablets, it looks like something you already have -- a laptop -- even though it's not one.
It may be that the price just has to come down even further. If Chromebooks sold for $199 and still had reasonable build quality, would that seem like a value to you?
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This. Precisely this. I don't have to maintain this thing like I do my desktop PC, or the computers at work, and in fact I seldom have to think about anything but the user interface.
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or asks if you want to upgrade to the latest Ubuntu distro (which changes the entire UI)
Isn't TFA all about an update that, essentially, "changes the entire UI"?
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Isn't TFA all about an update that, essentially, "changes the entire UI"?
No. All Aura really does so far is let you run the browser non-maximized if you want to, and adds a new, chrome-free maximized window (that's small-C chrome) that emulates a desktop. If you want to, you can ignore the whole thing, run your browser maximized as usual, and you'll notice only minor changes (such as the clock, WiFi strength, and battery level being in the taskbar now).
The biggest change for me is that before, when I would press Ctrl-Shift-W to close all my tabs, I'd get a new, blank browser win
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If Chromebooks sold for $199 and still had reasonable build quality, would that seem like a value to you?
No, because I already have a laptop and an iPad. Go for first-mover advantage with your next product.
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My particular use case can be described as: "Eehhh, I guess I'll just leave it in the bedroom for when I need to look something up real quick."
That's what tablets are for.
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NO, not when you can buy tablets for $100 that would fit your use case perfectly. Unless you got your chromebook for free, you overpaid.
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I don't know much about Android 4.0, but I have an Android 3.0 tablet and the Web browsing experience sucks on it. I can install Firefox, but it's still more complicated than the Chromebook, where I just open the screen, use it, and close it again.
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How is ChromeOS really all that different to say Android 4.0 running on Tablets?
Well, it's a full Chrome browser. (The Android browser is not Chrome.)
Chrome OS runs the exact same rendering engine as Chrome on any other platform. It also supports any Chrome extensions that run on those platforms. I've written a couple of custom extensions myself, and they run just fine on my Chromebook -- which isn't surprising, since they're just JavaScript and HTML anyway.
But if you look at it from another angle, Android 4.0 on a tablet can actually do a lot more than a Chrome OS device can. Chrome O
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Well, it's a full Chrome browser. (The Android browser is not Chrome.)
Android 4.0 has real Chrome [google.com] now.
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You can get a beta of Chrome for Android. That's not the same thing as "Android has real Chrome." Also, Chrome for Android doesn't support Flash, for one thing, so it's not the same. (Chromebooks run on Intel Atom processors, which apparently have less of a hard time with Flash than ARM chips.)
And you missed my point that Chrome OS is still a lot simpler. You don't have to launch anything. The browser is just there, all the time.
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Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
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if it means taking down Microsoft and I will bear their children if they take down Apple as well.
Given this is Slashdot, I assume you're a guy - which makes your statement rather creepy and unsettling.
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