Google Killing Off Mini, Video, and iGoogle 329
New submitter Trashcan Romeo writes "Three years ago, it accounted for 20% of all visits to Google's home page. Two years ago, Lifehacker readers voted it the best start-page service. Today it was announced that iGoogle will be retired — or in the company's parlance, 'spring cleaned' — on November 1, 2013."
Google Video is also getting the axe this summer. It hasn't accepted new videos since 2009, and all of the old ones will be migrated to YouTube. The company is also getting rid of Google Mini, Talk Chatback, and their Symbian search app.
And nothing of value was lost... (Score:2, Interesting)
Really. I pinged a friend who uses iGoogle, and he's just like "Meh".
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Didn't work/look right with noscript anyway.
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Insightful)
A tool built almost entirely in javascript doesn't work with a JAVASCRIPT BLOCKER?!?!?!?!?11111111
That's just crazy talk.
But seriously, expecting to browse the modern web with noscript enabled just isn't sane.
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Sane? Modern Web?
Insensitive clod! this is /.
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I ain't a fuckin' grandma. Using Noscript and Adblock Plus. I guarantee my web experience is more pleasant than yours. Web pages don't start playing video or audio, shit doesn't start moving of its own accord. No ads, no script driven bullshit unless I allow it.
Anyone who just lets web sites do whatever the fuck they want in their browser must have a few screws loose.
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I only have AdBlock Plus, and I also do not have video and audio starting or stuff moving around. I guess it's the kind of site you go to...
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Insightful)
I have no problem with viewing the occasional ad. They help fund websites I enjoy including slashdot. I have the option to turn off ads here, but I don't. Saying your web experience is better than someone who doesn't subscribe to your philosophy of "all ads are bad and completely ruin the entire web" is silly. The phrase "a good web experience" is subjective. What I find good you might find bad and vice versa. If a website has annoying video and/or audio ads I just won't go to the site. If it weren't for marketing I would have missed out on some interesting things. I do absolutely need those things? No, but that doesn't change the fact I like them.
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't imagine a web with no Javascript. It's like using half of the web. I'm a webdeveloper and website owner and I really, really, really don't care about people who don't have Javascript enabled. I'd rather give the rest a great experience and I don't want to spend time and resources to provide a fallback.
Also advertising supports many of my favorite sites. I probably wouldn't be paying for a subscription, but I think it's common courtesy to give website owners the chance to make a buck for their hard work. I have Adblock installed and I only use it when ads are too annoying that they disturb my browsing experience.
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A case in point of an ad that pisses me off: I've been on Ryanairs website the last couple days planning a trip. They have pop unders that load when you click the "book now" button. For some reason my browser freezes for several seconds when I click the button the first time. Since I'm using a crappy wireless connection I'm pirating from my girlfriend's neighbor I'm never sure if it is just the site being slow, the connection or the stupid pop under delay.
That is another instant killer for me people with go
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't imagine a web with no Javascript. It's like using half of the web.
Yeah, which is usually the half of the web you actually want. You know, as opposed to all the other bullshit tracking, 'traffic monetizing' scripts that are all over the corporate web now...
To give an example, my former local news site of choice, Madison.com, had a complete redesign a few weeks ago that they talked up. "Oh, it's going to be so much better and more modern, the comments will be much better, etc"...what they neglected to tell everyone was that they were adding a shit-load more tracking services (which, thanks to NoScript, I was able to block) and on top of that, they threw up a fucking paywall, because you know all the tracking cookies and Facebook Connect bullshit they are earning money on, not to mention the ad impressions, and not to mention the shady shit they pulled on their iOS/Android app where they place their in-app ads right next to often used links, like the link to post a comment, thus capturing probably thousands of accidental ad-clicks they shouldn't have, all that wasn't enough, now they have to limit you to 5 articles a month (unless you subscribe to the local paper...yeah, right, who the hell pays money for a fucking newspaper these days?). Well, unless you have NoScript running, then it doesn't work and you can look at all the articles you want, just like everyone could before the all those "improvements".
I will grant that Javascript adds a lot of functionality to the web, but it's abuse has made me treat all JS as suspect until I can ascertain if it's implementation is for functionality or turning me into a product to be sold. I see no moral dilemmas whatsoever with using NoScript to block all of that bullshit and selectively allow what I actually feel are worth the compute cycles to be run on my machine, because it's still my fucking machine. If they don't like it, that's fine, they can do like a lot of sites are doing these days and basically have their site return blank pages if JS is disabled...but in truth, when they get that ridiculous with the shit, I just stop using their site and find another one. It's not like there aren't alternatives out there, after all.
If anyone should be blamed for the fact that Adblock is becoming ubiquitous these days (and NoScript is starting to, as well, something I encourage as much as possible), it's the people that abused internet ads (and later JS) in the first place. If I hadn't have finally gotten sick and goddamned tired of click-jacking "punch the monkey" horseshit I likely never would have added Adblock and NoScript to my browser in the first place.
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:4, Insightful)
a webdeveloper and website owner and I really, really, really don't care about people who don't have Javascript enabled. I'd rather give the rest a great experience and I don't want to spend time and resources to provide a fallback.
Off mark.
Railing against folks because they value the security of their system is angsty and irrational.
You don't need to provide a fallback for non script enabled visitors (though it is appreciated when I site does provide non JS fallback), you simply need to allow them their broken access, they are fully aware that most sites are broken in various ways without scripting and willl turn JS on granularly as needed.
You don't spend resources, they don't get pwned. Everyone happy.
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Insightful)
I use noscript, but reversed - it's set to enable everything by default, and I disable selectively stuff that annoys me. This way I avoid all the really bad stuff (like autoplaying anything) without being left with a half-broken internet.
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Funny)
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You binged to ping? But what of the friend that smoked the bong and played pong?
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You binged to ping? But what of the friend that smoked the bong and played pong?
You mean Dave?
Dave's not here, man...
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You're right, that's the real indicator.
I pinged a friend who uses the internet, and he said "meh". Perhaps we should just shut it all down.
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Good sample size you've got going on there for your analysis.
Because i's a patented letter? (Score:3)
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Re:Because i's a patented letter? (Score:5, Funny)
WHAT THE FUCK is iGoogle! I thought I was a serious Google hipster until I heard of this and realized I didn't know what it was! WTF?!
Maybe you should Google it?
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Funny)
That's strange, when I pinged him he said, "bytes=32 time 3ms TTL=53".
Re:And nothing of value was lost... (Score:5, Funny)
3ms? He said friend, not coworker!
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One man's friend is another man's co-worker...
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Where I work 300ms is a co-worker.
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I come to Slashdot from iGoogle RSS reader almost 90% of the time. I have been using iGoogle as my RSS reader since almost 2007.
It is a pity but I think I will be able to find numerous alternatives.
iGoogle will be missed... maybe (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: iGoogle will be missed... maybe (Score:5, Funny)
So you're snowgirl's "Meh" friend!
Re: iGoogle will be missed... maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
iGoogle and my.yahoo are the primary reasons I "use" both services.
I suppose they have something new, but "spring cleaning" my iGoogle may just leave me sticking with my.yahoo
Some of us are happy with the old interfaces - now: GET OFF OUR LAWN!
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I'm in the same boat here. iGoogle.com and my.yahoo.com are my two main homepages when I launch Chrome. I use their bookmarks features quite often. Last year Yahoo! messed with the bookmarks on my.yahoo.com and tried to force everyone to use the Yahoo Toolbar to manage them. I nearly left Yahoo, but eventually they gave into their user requests and allowed them to be managed from my.yahoo.com again.
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iGoogle and my.yahoo are the primary reasons I "use" both services.
So do you have an opinion on how they stack up against my.msn ?
No experience, no opinion, no interest.
Re: iGoogle will be missed... maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
Google Reader's a fine app for [what seems to be] its intended purpose—but it's nothing like iGoogle, and doesn't do a great job of replacing it in my opinion. I use both regularly, and will be sad when either goes away.
This does seem a pretty weird decision. The reasoning they give (basically "lol, phones and device-/browser-specific apps are the future!") is kind of dubious, and seems strangely at odds with Google's general push for device-/browser-independent apps.
I wonder if this is the result of some internal political/turf/funding war at Google...?
[My guess: The Google+ team is politically very powerful, and they want to push everybody to use that instead. Never mind that Google+ (which I like) is extremely different, and not a particularly good replacement for iGoogle...]
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Aside from a locked-down desktop, the whole strength of iGoogle is it's an online web page you customize.
Granted, I blocked all the ads and only use three, maybe four of the little plug ins (a lot of the third party ones just didn't work right, so the reliable ones were the default offerings).
Not having to finger-fuck a browser on whatever computer I am in front of and get all I need by simply logging in was the major attraction. People get PISSED if you install a toolbar. They DONT get pissed if you j
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Well said.
Plenty of old people use iGoogle. I use it too. I am quite annoyed by this. I don't want to have a home page for each computer or customise apps or whatever. I guess I'll have to make my own but it won't interface as well with all the Google products. Which will mean I will use google less. This seems like a bad decision. They should reverse it.
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i've always preferred google reader to igoogle and any other feed reader out there (online or offline). i'm really scared that google will kill it too i sometime. seems like they are going to reduce everything to g+.
is there any other feed reader that is as good?
Re: iGoogle will be missed... maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
i'm really scared that google will kill it too i sometime
They are doing a pretty good job of training millions of people not to get too attached to anything they make, because it will likely disappear someday with no justification (along with your data).
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Well, Google does give plenty of notification that a service is getting retired and lets you download all your data, so the data's only gone if you are too lazy to download it with 6+ months of notice.
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Re: iGoogle will be missed... maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: iGoogle will be missed... maybe (Score:4, Insightful)
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Thirded. I switched away from my.yahoo.com when iGoogle first came out and I've been using it ever since. I've got it set up just perfectly as I like it. I'm going to be extremely disappointed if/when they retire iGoogle. :(
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I've joined the conversation late, as usual, and most people are saying the same thing: I use it for email subjects, which Google only updated recently, RSS feeds, Reader, Latitude, Calendar (very important to me), English Premier League table, Twitter,...
C'mon Google. Get a clue. 5, 6 years of use from power users should tell you something. It's a highly used tool.
Alternatives? 10 tabs on Firefox startup doesn't sound like something I want to do.
Hopefully they'll make a replacement.
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Agreed. Gmail, Calendar, Documents, Chat, Quick Notes all on a single landing page. It was quite convenient.
Re: iGoogle will be missed... definitely!!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
iGoogle has been my home page for years as well. I check my email, news, sports, slashdot, woot, weather, traffic, movie times, network tools, etc. all in one interface. I'm going to be very sad to see it go. Those that never used it missed out on a good app that could be used to consolidate a bunch of information in one place.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be a good replacement?
Archive Team again? (Score:5, Interesting)
What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:5, Insightful)
Reading over the sunset annoucement, I don't think they realize how people really use it. It's not a mobile service, and it isn't simply a redundant link to stuff, it's a dashboard of what I'm interested in and a portal to all of Google's other services. It's also not just a homepage, it's the page I have open on my desktop all the time.
Re:What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:5, Insightful)
iGoogle is the only browser homepages I've used in the past ~5 years. I guess it's time to switch back to about:blank or roll my own replacement for iGoogle.
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Agree 100%.
This is my homepage. Able to put my own links and have a google bar at the top just makes it even more handy.
I'll probably use it until the last day and then look for a similar service.
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Widgets?
OS X, Windows 8, KDE, Android and others allow you to embed HTML snippets on the desktop.
Rather than load a web browser, one can "mashup" HTML widgets on your home screen directly.
Re:What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:5, Insightful)
I've done the whole widgets on the desktop thing, it was cool for a while but ultimately I found that I liked it in a web page better. Seems to be less buggy too.
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Also, when it's widgets on the desktop you have to minimize your work to see it. With an open browser window, you can either switch to the browser (which you frequently do anyway) or [at least in Windows] hover over the browser icon in the taskbar to get a smaller preview window which is generally enough to see if there's a new mail message.
Re:What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:4)
And then you change PCs, and got to do it all over again. Or you switch to your Tablet, laptop, netbook.. ditto.
A dashboard webpage is really the most portable way to do that. Looking for a replacement as we speak...
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This reminds me of the ridiculous article about CLI being obsolete. Progress goes backwards sometimes because people who get enticed by shiny things are in charge of making all the computers and don't know that they are de-evolving instead of progress.
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This is a really bad trend. Windows 8 wants you to use a Microsoft account to log into your local desktop. Cisco has pushed down updates that require Linksys router owners to use a Cisco cloud account. All of it in the hands of some sysadmin I'll probably never meet that works for some suits that couldn't give a shit if I live or die.
What's left to actually own?
Re:What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:4, Interesting)
Same here. According to their "What's happening to iGoogle?" help page, they say "With modern apps that run on platforms like Chrome and Android, the need for something like iGoogle has eroded over time".
That's certainly not true for me, and I'm both a Chrome and Android user. They're great, but Android is not the desktop, and Chrome is not the only browser on the the only computer I use. iGoogle is good for me because it's cross-platform, highly flexible, and feature full. That's why it's so key to my everyday workflow, and that's why this is a seriously misguided choice on Google's part.
Re:What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:5, Informative)
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I switched to Netvibes a few years ago, when Google added the unremoveable sidebar (which was added at the behest of gadget developers, apparently the only users of iGoogle that matter). It has served me pretty well, though I still miss having a Google search bar with full functionality.
MyYahoo (Score:4, Insightful)
How about MyYahoo? iGoogle was a knockoff of 90's "personalized web portals" anyway, so why not go with the original?
Re:What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:5, Insightful)
... it's also not that hard to write your own. There are plenty of perl/python/whatever rss libraries out there to do all of the hard work, and then you just need to spend some time fiddling with CSS to make it look pretty. Here's what I created about 10 years ago, before all of these other things existed:
http://www.wirelesscouch.net/cgi-bin/headlines/headlines.pl [wirelesscouch.net]
(Well, maybe those other things existed. I certainly didn't know about them though.)
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Totally agree. I've got mail, reader, calendar, to-do on there. Already looking for a replacement, and since this sucks majorly, i'm looking to replace the google services (reader in particular) the i was using iGoogle as a front for.
That'll teach me to put all my eggs in on basket. Anyone got spare baskets ?
Re:What exactly am I suppose to replace it with? (Score:5, Insightful)
Same here.
I always have it open as a working dash. It's easy to use, less buggy than native OS widgets and easier to find the content I need to plug in it.
And with all due respect, Chrome is not my browser of choice for a list of reasons as long as my arm. Firefox is.
iGoogle is, to me, one of the most useful google products out there.
Google is now trying to make itself less useful to the IT professionals and powerusers.
Misguided decision indeed.
Guess we shouldn't be surprised (Score:5, Insightful)
I've used my iGoogle page as my homepage for however long it's been around - five years? six? It'll suck having this go away, but it's been obvious for a while that Google's all about killing off anything they offer that they've been unable to monetize.
What I find funny is their suggestion that, as an "alternative" to iGoogle, we should either move to using Google Play (um, what?) or start using Chrome as a browser. Yeah, how are those iGoogle replacements again?
I'll find a non-Google replacement, just like I have whenever they've discontinued their other offerings I liked.
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Netvibes is a much better dash board than iGoogle ever was.
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Chrome's extensions or plug-ins or whatever they call them can replicate most of the functionalities of the widgets. I only use Chrome for it's various widget/app-like extensions and Netflix, never use it to surf the web.
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Not the Sybian! (Score:5, Funny)
I'd keep that.
Not every cloud has a silver lining (Score:5, Insightful)
Cloud computing is always heavily promoted and it does have many advantages. However, it also has one significant disadvantage -- your computing environment is at the whim of whomever is providing said service. If you come to depend on a service and the provider cancels it, you can try and find a substitute or simply accept that you are out of luck.
These services that Google is dropping, are not critical, but they could have been. Not every cloud has a silver lining, or even a chrome one.
Really? (Score:2)
And they are giving you a 1.5 year warning that these non-critical apps are retiring. That should be expected. I don't expect my phone to last 5 years. You shouldn't expect an online service to last more than 5 years. They retire for good reasons. Something else is there.
You miss the point. Yes, these are relatively trivial services, but that doesn't mean that cloud providers can'tor won't drop more important services. You maynot expect an online service to last more than 5 years, but most businesses do.
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This expectation is easily proven by the many businesses that still keep IE6 around because of a business critical web site that requires it.
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You miss the point. Yes, these are relatively trivial services, but that doesn't mean that cloud providers can'tor won't drop more important services. You maynot expect an online service to last more than 5 years, but most businesses do.
But you miss the point. If it is important to you that a service be there, you should be willing to pay for it (or support it in other ways). If you're willing to pay, you're going to find someone willing to take your money and provide the service. It might not be the original provider of the service, but nobody ever promised you that. What's more, you've got plenty of notice of the discontinuation of the service by the current provider, time enough to find a replacement. (If you have irreplaceable data in
Why they killed the mini (Score:3)
Google started killing off the mini years ago when they stopped releasing software updates for it, and stopped updating the hardware.
It's kind of disingenuous for Google to say the mini has an 'adequate' replacement. Google Custom Search doesn't give the admin nearly enough control. There's no way to guarantee all your pages will get included in the index, even if you're on a paid subscription. No keymatch functionality, no regex exclusions, no freshness tuning. And the Google Search Appliance costs over 10x the cost of the mini (starts at $45k instead of $3k). It's hard to call that a suitable replacement.
The problem with the mini is that Google couldn't make enough money on it. It basically started out as a min-GSA, with less beefy hardware and a lower license page limit. Customers would buy it, deploy it, and forget about it. It worked great. Google thought that customers would migrate from the mini to the GSA, but I think what happened is once they had the mini they stayed with the mini for their public website, and many never saw the need to spend $$$$$ to upgrade to the GSA for enterprise search.
At one point a few years ago, Google released a "VM edition" of the mini/gsa for development use. They quickly realized that VM was the wrong way to go because without the pretty hardware and cables they couldn't justify the cost of the GSA to customers, so they quietly cancelled the VM and all mention of it. Wish I had kept the copy I had downloaded.
Ruined my day (Score:5, Insightful)
I've been using iGoogle since it first launched and it's really the only reason I use many of Googles services and also the only reason I bother logging into Google at all.
Very disappointed in honesty I think I'll probably end up giving Bing a try simply because I can't think of anything else to replace it with.
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igoogle gone? .... meh! (Score:3)
I use iGoogle. I will miss it. I hope they will have something to replace it. IMHO, Google services always have the feel of something half finished. They are kinda like the anti Apple.
Dammit!!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
iGoogle. I used it and love it. (Score:5, Interesting)
iGoogle. Having all of your RSS feeds, your email feed, calendar, TODO list among a few other things. It is very useful and effective in what it does.
There are several websites that post interesting items, but not enough to visit them every day. The RSS feed makes it were you don't have too. Combining it all with stuff you do use every day (email, calendar, todo list) makes iGoogle extremely useful.
What I find is most people have tools at their finger tips that they have no idea how useful that tool actually is and therefore don't end up using it.
iGoogle is useful, but like Google+ most people have no idea how to actually use it. (at least half-intelligent people are actually figuring out how to use Google+, that just doesn't seem to be the case for iGoogle)
That ignorance is a loss for us all.
I don't think it's a matter of "ignorance" (Score:4, Insightful)
As a matter of fact, the tech site forums are loaded with people bemoaning the demise of iGoogle.
One of the things that Google is really good at is analytics. They KNOW how many people are using iGoogle.
That leads me to believe they are shuttering it not because of lack of use but rather because TOO many people are using it. They obviously believe they are losing "clicks" or as some others have stated, they are trying to herd us into using some bastardized version of Google+ they have yet to release.
Google has been pretty good about living up to the whole, "Do no evil" thing so I'm hoping we all wake up in a few days/week and read on our shiny new netvibes.com homepage that Google has changed their mind about dropping iGoogle.
Dropping iGoogle might not be totally "evil" but it will definitely make me think twice before using any other new Google-branded services they release in the future.
iGoogle Replacement (Score:4, Insightful)
Any suggestions for a good generalized news aggregator? Something that will draw from a variety of sources and can be customized for topic preferences.
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Netvibes
Spring Scape (Score:2)
I'll miss spring scape, watching frog & ladybug go through their day was great.
Ahh, Crap (Score:2)
Foolish (Score:5, Insightful)
Roll your own, it's easy (Score:3)
We're growing apart, Google. (Score:5, Funny)
You seem really withdrawn and distant. It's that gossipy jerk Facebook, isn't it?
Our iGoogle times were great. Remember how we discovered new things with Reader, how we built our lives around Calendar? And wow, you were really good in search!
But you've changed, Google. I don't mind that you're heavier, but this diet is like cutting off your legs to lose weight. And frankly, you're kind of clingy.
So let's just be friends. I'll still see ya around Maps, and maybe we can catch an image search sometime. Your tracking will always be with me.
Sorry I missed you at Plus, I came by but no one was there.
Nervous about email (Score:4, Informative)
It's things like this that make me - and possibly small businesses - nervous about email and the other google apps products
While it's unlikely they'd ever kill gmail, it makes it harder to make a case to bet the farm on google. Shame there's no really viable alternative to email with a half decent web interface (animated ads flickering in the corner of my eye annoy the hell out of me and I don't want to jump through ad-blocking hoops on every PC I ever use).
So iGoogle might not be a big product, but it's visible enough (unlike maybe some of the smaller products they've killed) to make potential users pause.
Google Now (Score:3)
Netvibes is blocked (Score:3)
Google Video Search isn't going away (Score:3)
It's a damned good non-YouTube search engine.
I read the featured articles, and it appears Google is not retiring Google Video Search. It's retiring Google Video hosting so that it can focus effort on Google Video Search: "As we said nearly three years ago, the Google Video team is now focused on tackling the challenge of video search."
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And, it's not just for porn
Clearly. If Google was that good at indexing porn videos the service would not be cancelled. It would become a profit center.
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Like... Google Reader?
Re:but, my webcomics! (Score:5, Insightful)
The whole reason that iGoogle's RSS widgets were so awesome is that you could pile tons of them on top of each other four columns deep. I could see, in an organized way, like two hundred headlines at once and not have to click on anything except what I cared about. Reader is too manual. I don't want to click on a dozen different things just to get huge bloated summaries of things I might not even want to read. It's inefficient, and I'm just not doing it. Bye Google, you sure know how to break people of a habit.
Guess I'll look into this netvibes thing everybody is talking about.
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i find google reader nice for reading all my rss feeds. but they may close it down, too.
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They don't clarify what "modern apps" we are supposed to switch to other than pointing at the Chrome store, or even what exactly a "modern app" is. Some would say a "modern app" could mean something like GMail or iGoogle
Well a "modern app" on chrome is sure as hell not google reader.
on igoog, the goog reader widget shows you all your new feeds and refreshes pretty much real time. You can look at comments and decide to open if its good enough (like this /. story) or close and it disappears (like, say, another dancing cats /. video story). Awesome functionality. Its hard to think of how to improve it.
on chrome, there are two goog reader "apps". Its moronic to call an icon-bookmark a app, but they have the balls to do it,
Re:ok so the best replacement...... (Score:4, Informative)
So I can replace iGoogle with netvibes, we've established that. I'd now like to know how to let google know how displeased I am about their decision to cancel iGoogle. Does anyone have a link I can use to rant at google? I looked around google's help pages for a little while, with no success :-(
http://www.change.org/petitions/google-don-t-kill-igoogle# [change.org]
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As much as I hate to say this, My.MSN.com seems to have basically a clone of iGoogle. Anybody wondering about it, should go look at it and try the "Customize" and "Add Content" features. I found everything I use on iGoogle there.
I don't use an MSN email box, but could add Gmail as a bookmark easily enough, that's how I use it in iGoogle now anyway.
Plus, switching from Google to Microsoft over this will be an appropriate "FUCK YOU RIGHT BACK COCKSUCKER" to the folks over at Google for fucking with someth