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Navy Seals Disciplined For Revealing Secrets As Consultants On Video Game 204

Hugh Pickens writes "CBS reports that seven active duty members of SEAL Team Six, best known for killing Osama bin Laden, have been disciplined for revealing secrets working as paid consultants on a video game, Medal of Honor: Warfighter. The game does not recreate the bin Laden raid, but it does portray realistic missions, such as an attack on a pirates' den in Somalia. Electronic Arts boasts that real commandos, both active duty and retired, help make its games as realistic as possible. EA says Medal of Honor Warfighter was 'written by actual U.S. Tier 1 Operators while deployed overseas,' and that it 'features a dotted line to real world events and provides players a view into globally recognized threats and situations letting them experience the action as it might have unfolded.' It is unclear what secrets members of SEAL Team Six gave away, but while serving as consultants for the game, they used classified material which had been given to them by the Navy and also violated the unwritten code that SEALs are silent warriors who shun the spotlight. 'We do not tolerate deviations from the policies that govern who we are and what we do as Sailors in the United States Navy,' says Deputy Commander of Naval Special Warfare, Rear Admiral Garry Bonelli. 'The non-judicial punishment decisions made today send a clear message throughout our Force that we are and will be held to a high standard of accountability.'"
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Navy Seals Disciplined For Revealing Secrets As Consultants On Video Game

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2012 @09:14AM (#41930955)

    It is not about secrets.

  • Re:puh...lease (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2012 @09:30AM (#41931033)

    Obviously just a PR stunt for promoting the game. Also serves USA PR interests carrying on myth of that whole bin laden complex raid and mysterious sea burial malarkey!

    the sheeple are so dumb they believe anything with no evidence if it is official enough.

    you could say something about apple and somebody here will say "citation needed" and wont believe you without some kind of proof. the greatest villian we've been presented with so far in the 21st century dies and there is no evidence and everybody believes it. i tell you it is a crazy world.

  • I know a SEAL (Score:5, Interesting)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Friday November 09, 2012 @10:05AM (#41931251) Journal

    ...and I only know what he is because we've been friends since grade school.

    He normally is very clear - he simply can't talk about what he does, where he was or will be, etc. No big, right?

    The last year or so, I've heard him make more SEAL-related comments than I've heard him say in the previous 10. He is particularly bitter and annoyed at the 'prima-donna douchebags' that are writing books and showing up in movies.

    He gets it, he does: there are great piles of money and fame and hero-worship to be gained. But he points out: nobody does his job because they want to get rich or famous.

    Basically, he's disgusted at the SEALs who have taken the 'public visibility' course, and can't really understand why they aren't immediately let go and firewalled. He said he's recognized things that they've discussed, or shown in movies, that are operational methods that while the bad guys may suspect we can do it if they think about it, it's stupid to wave it in front of them. It's going to get operations blown and SEALs killed.

  • Re:Put them in jail (Score:5, Interesting)

    by magic maverick ( 2615475 ) on Friday November 09, 2012 @10:13AM (#41931327) Homepage Journal

    Yes, put them in jail. But only because they released classified information. And if it's good enough for Bradley Manning to be locked up and tortured, then it is good enough for these people. Oh wait, these people didn't release political damaging and embarrassing information that demonstrated illegal activities by the US military.

    I'm not even convinced that Bradley Manning even did anything. He's alleged to have done something, and he's been charged with various "crimes", but innocent until proven guilt amirite? And even if "proven" guilty (or if he admits guilt) I wouldn't be too sure, as he's been tortured (solitary confinement for hundreds of days) and denied access to a speedy trial, I'm sure there are heaps of other irregularities with regards his case.

  • Re:Could be worse (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Xest ( 935314 ) on Friday November 09, 2012 @10:40AM (#41931545)

    "These people are human beings, physically fit and specially trained to be sure, but regular human beings with an immense logistical system to support them."

    To be fair it's the level of physical fitness and training that matters and makes a large difference as much as anything.

    When I was younger I was in the army cadets in the UK, and on an annual camp once we were sent through a fairly small forested area to try and find 5 professional soldiers hidden in there camo'd up. We did find one, hidden up a tree, but still hard to see, he was in the TA and fairly new to it at that though.

    When we'd given up we walked to the edge of the forest and they were told to come out of hiding. One guy comes out with his face covered in mud with some pretty clear signs of a boot print on it. It was my boot print, as he'd been led down in a narrow gully deep with leaf litter which I'd walked straight through. The guy was a gurkha, who aren't even really classed as special forces, but it was this experience above all else that made me realise the gap between what we think is realistically possible, and what is actually possible can sometimes be quite large such that we don't even entertain it. When he showed us exactly where he'd been hidden he literally had his face covered in mud with only his eyes showing through and leaf litter on top, the amazing part was how quickly and quietly he was able to disguise himself the way he did- you could be chasing him, lose him from sight for 20 seconds and he'd have all but vanished. I'm glad I was just an army cadet and this wasn't a real war, as otherwise I suspect he may well have chopped my balls off with his kukri, and I'm kind of fond of my balls being left where they are. Between the softness of the deep leaf litter and the thick sole on my boots, I simply hadn't realised I'd walked right over someone's face.

    So if this guy, not even selected for the SAS was this talented, I've always wondered what sort of things the special forces themselves get upto, and get away with. Everyone watches war films, and plays Call of Duty or whatever and thinks "Yeah, I could be that badass if I joined the military", but to most of those people you couldn't, you really couldn't. It takes a steely determination and years of practice, exercise to achieve the things they do and these people, the best of the best are the people who if they hadn't gone down the military route and joined the special forces would likely have been Olympic athletes, or other stand out professionals. It's not the sort of thing your average person has the patience and determination for.

  • Re:slap on the wrist (Score:5, Interesting)

    by X0563511 ( 793323 ) on Friday November 09, 2012 @11:16AM (#41931921) Homepage Journal

    The paranoia is there, because you can't know what will let the enemy connect the dots until it's too late. You can't know what information they need, so you try to hide it all.

    Doesn't make much sense for us regular folks, but we aren't likely to be shot or tortured if someone gets some information from us.

  • by Wilf_Brim ( 919371 ) on Friday November 09, 2012 @11:33AM (#41932153)
    The good ones don't. I spent about half of my 20 year Navy career in SOF. My last job was at a rather high HQ. I spent a good bit of time working with a senior enlisted: he was working in the Operations department, doing all of the crappy organizational jobs nobody wanted to do. He, for instance, was chief goat herder at the JOC (Joint Operations Center: fancy name for 35 guys with laptops all wanting more [telephones, bandwidth, coffee, whatever]). He did whatever was necessary to keep things going: move copiers, help the comm guys run lines, whatever. Since we pretty much almost always wore utility uniforms I didn't get to see his decorations until he retired. He had 2 Bronze Stars, and one Silver Star. Come to find out he was a [delete explitive] war hero, nearly Carlos Hathcock level sniper during Iraq with a JSOC unit.
  • Re:Good! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SilentStaid ( 1474575 ) on Friday November 09, 2012 @12:15PM (#41932655)
    You disgust me and the fact that you got modded +5 irritates me to the point of irrationality. People, listen - these stories that guys like this regurgitate are generally from washed out medical rolls who couldn't snuff it the first 5 minutes into Basic. There's a reason that his post reads like the transcript from a homeless man in the subway.

    Please, please, please don't allow him to disparage the military that I love and accept as fact. I was discharged too, after getting wounded
    TL;DR : This dude is a crybaby. Army life isn't that bad. News at 11.

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