Anonymous Attacks Israeli Websites In Response To IDF Operation In Gaza 560
An anonymous reader writes "On Thursday, Anonymous reported that it took down close to 40 Israeli government and security establishment websites, although the single website that they presented as having been attacked belonged to a security and cleaning services company. The report came after Likud MK Danny Danon announced earlier in the week that his website had been taken down by a group calling itself TeaM KuWaiT HaCkErS. Danon's website had been hosting an online petition calling for the Israeli government to cut off the supply of electricity going from Israel to Gaza. " A report at Russia Today puts the number at "hundreds" of sites, instead.
people on internet DDoS websites due to a thing (Score:5, Insightful)
Slashdot seems to love reporting this recurring story, I guess because you can write it with mad-libs...
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think it's falsified...I think the issue is that Anonymous is not a singular, totally cohesive group. I absolutely think there are parts of Anonymous who are that reckless that they'd poke at Israel over this. For their sake, I hope they don't accomplish much; Israel has exactly *no* sense of humor when it comes to their own national security. There comes a time when a cyber action can provoke a kinetic response, and the Israelis won't be hampered by the need for search warrants, due process, etc.
Anonymous (Score:4, Insightful)
Anonymous are a bunch of losers. They just want to revel in the limelight and taking the Palestinian side against Israel happens to be cool among leftists, anarchists, and other spoiled children with too much time and money and not enough wisdom.
The best approach to anonymous is to ignore them. If they don't get the attention they seek, they'll go back to wanking off to online porn in their moms' basements.
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:2, Insightful)
You are clueless. Hamas is the governing party in the Gaza Strip not the West Bank. What Hamas does in the Gaza Strip has no effect on the status of Jerusalem.
And as far as UN support, it has been fairly unanimous for condemning Israel. Israel is an apartheid state with separate roads for Palestinians, forced evictions and demolitions of Palestinians houses by settlers, non-statehood for residents, restrictions on international travel, and crimes against Palestinians that aren't prosecuted (like the Price Tag attacks).
The more you learn about the Palestinian limbo, the more you realize that they are remarkably peaceful despite the conditions they are in. When you are locked in a massive open air prison and have no potential to escape whatsoever for a crime you never committed, you might think lobbing a couple of rockets over the walls would be a good idea too.
Re:Bad juju? (Score:5, Insightful)
I will give you a few simple ways to know whether your point on view on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is incorrect:
I'll illustrate with an example:
I don't know how to solve the problem in the region, but it's a problem that was deliberately created by creating the nation of Israel smack dab in the middle of everyone that hated them and everyone that they hated.
Deliberately by whom? Also, the great opposition to the Zionist movement started a (relatively) long time after Jews started immigrating to (then) Palestine.
It's past time to do something.
Right. Because, obviously, there is a solution. You can't think of one, but there must be something that can be done that is better than what is currently being done, right? I mean, none of the leaders could think of anything, and not one "expert" on the subject offers anything that has not been tried before and failed, but drinkypoo says that something can be done, so it must be true.
It's too late to turn back the clock, which is unfortunate, because not doing it in the first place would clearly have been the best solution.
Really? My mother's mother, and her brother and sisters, that left Germany between 1930 and 1936, beg to differ.
Israel's blockade of the strip is probably illegal,
International law seems to disagree with you on that point.
and the only people who can stop them won't because they have too much to gain by maintaining the status quo. Keeping that region in a condition of endless war keeps all of those people busy.
The only people I can think of who can stop this without causing even more bloodshed are Hamas leadership (proof: The west bank's leaders decided to mind their own business, and are experiencing both more freedom and more economic prosperity, despite the fact that, unlike the Gaza strip, Israel still occupies that region). While I suspect that the motives you claim for why they do that are, more or less, correct, I somehow doubt that's who you meant.
Shachar
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:2, Insightful)
Israel is only defending themselves following a massive rocket bombardment.
Ok let's pretend when two sides are firing rockets at each other continuously for many years, that the much larger, richer and better armed side can be referred to as 'defending itself'.
Given that assumption, explain how air strikes and shelling are intended to resolve the situation.
Re:Did anyone notice: (Score:2, Insightful)
You're so right, it has nothing to do with Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine. The people of Gaza are just a bunch of stooges who have an irrational hatred of Jews and would otherwise harbor no ill will towards Israel for blockading their territory for the last 45 years while spending 40 years of that attempting to establish Jewish-only colonies on land confiscated by the IDF, or for spending the last 60 years refusing to allow half of the population to return to their own homes inside of what is now Israel. It all just goes to prove that the Palestinians are simply untermenschen that hate Jews more than they love their own children.
Re:this is really sad. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, and I wish Israel would end its blockade, give the Palestinians a right to statehood, evacuate the settlements, and respect Palestinian borders so the Palestinians didn't have to fight for their own self-determination. While Israel continues its policies, Palestine will continue to be a shithole of poverty with people who can't legitimately complain to anyone because they don't have a state and the UN doesn't recognize them. Israel reaps what it sows.
Re:11 years ago (Score:4, Insightful)
I wouldn't mind joining the "good guys". Unfortunately, there aren't any "good guys" over there. The smart ones have moved on, to places such as Canada, or the United States, and have made lives for themselves. The good ones are dead. (only the good die young) All that's left on either side are the dumb evil bastards.
Re:Bad juju? - FALSE. THERE IS 100% A VILLAIN. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sorry. There is a very clear villain and I am not wrong. The villain is extremist religionists on ALL sides who (to paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, who made this argument far better than I ever could) poison the dialogue with their absolutist demands which they back up using the force of their chosen celestial sky wizard and his holy books.
The vast vast vast majority of people on both sides favor a two state solution. the US wants this too, as does virtually everybody else. its the obvious answer. why dosen't it happen?
because of people who think that whose first accountability is to some god, not their fellow man.
they are the villians in this drama. no ands, ifs, or buts.
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:5, Insightful)
Nice. Now let's 'pretend' that in a given period of years, there is relative peace with no rockets fired, then one side fires indiscriminately into the other. Let's call them the aggressors. Then the non-aggressors fire superior (and better-targeted) rockets into strategic locations only. But you're right, the moral high ground rests solely with the aggressors.
Re:11 years ago (Score:5, Insightful)
"Yes. You've been their and spoken to people - on both sides."
Yes, I have. You are being sarcastic, of course. You assume that I've never seen any of the mid-east. You assume that I get all my information from one or another biased big-media news source. But, I HAVE been over there. Beruit City was the most exciting and/or dangerous place that I have ever seen, with multiple armies and armed groups maneuvering in the countryside, as well as in the city. I was there before the Marines arrived to safeguard the remainder of the civilians.
Don't assume anything, my friend.
Palestine doesn't want two state solution (Score:3, Insightful)
The vast vast vast majority of people on both sides favor a two state solution. the US wants this too, as does virtually everybody else. its the obvious answer. why dosen't it happen?
Where do you get the idea that Palestinians want a two state solution ? They HAVE a two state solution in Gaza, and yet they still attack. So this is clearly not what they want.
Of course, if you look at the stated aims of the Palestinian state, here on wikipedia [wikipedia.org] one of their stated aims is to kill every last Jew walking this earth. Various reasons are given, from outright conspiracy theories, to stating (with a direct and correct quote from islamic holy texts I might add) that allah not just wants every Jew eliminated, but will actively help accomplish that.
If you assume that hamas is indeed religious, there is no solution to this conflict short of the elimination of either side.
Re:Fuck'em let the assholes kill each other. (Score:4, Insightful)
Why not? The Mufti of Jerusalem ('Palestinian' leader) was allied with the Nazis and had plans in place to give up the middle eastern Jews for extermination.
In both cases the aggressor was forced to give up land after starting, then losing a war. It is exactly the same issue.
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:5, Insightful)
Another stated purpose of Hamas is to kill every Jew in the world.
and fwiw, hardcore muslims also have no tolerance for christians. both reject mohammed (piss be upon him) and therefore are subhuman.
you think that if you let the islamists get rid of all the jews, they'll stop and be happy?
I seriously hope people are not that stupid.
islam hates all that don't fully agree with them. please, world, realize this and that this IS a world-level war.
its being fought in the ME but it won't end there.
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:It's quite simple really (Score:3, Insightful)
so-called arab spring is bullshit.
but keep believing that they are fighting for anything close to democracy.
(hint: they want MORE islamist concepts and laws. not less. this is not any kind of 'spring'.)
Have you really thought that through (Score:5, Insightful)
Something to think about, since it appears you haven't: and what if an Assad attack against Israel pulls in Egypt and throws all the Palestinians into full all out war mode. Hmmmm?
All of those combined military forces would not be able to do much to Israel. Palestine has been at nearly a full state of war for years already, so it's not like they can do more than the random rockets they already fire into Israel every day. Egypt is hurting and if they put too much military into fighting Egypt they will be toast from internal riots.
Iran is the only one with much of a military force, but guess what would be a big old christmas present to Israel? A first strike from Iran to give Israel a reason to strike ANYWHERE within Iran using ANY weapon. Every nuclear plant in Iran is a smoldering pile of rubble within one hour of an attack from Iran on Israel directly.
That also is true for Egypt and Palestine too you know. If either of them declare "war" war, then Israel gets to take the gloves off instead of having to worry about faked videos of injured people in Palestine.
Re:Bad juju? (Score:5, Insightful)
Bigotry Disguised As Liberalism (Score:4, Insightful)
So, Hamas fires 200 rockets into Israel. Israel retaliates and "anonymous" cyberattcks their web sites. Yes, you are the villian if you do something about someone shooting rockets into your city.
Every time an issues likes this comes up liberals love to paint Israel as the villian, they swear they are not anti-semetic and they NEVER answer the question what they would do if someone fired rockets into their home town.
I never see American critiques turning over their land to a Native American foundation and moving to Europe. Ditto for Europeans, they have all lived on each others land ( after slaughtering for it ) for time immoralial. Lets not remind them of how Muslims are treated in their countries either.
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:2, Insightful)
If a child points an unloaded gun at a cop he will be shot dead and no one should have any sympathy for him. No one should whine and make excuses for him afterwards or demonize the cop.
Really?! In my country, if a child did that, then it would get in some serious trouble - but nothing bad would actually happen cause we don't arm the plods. But then our police are there to protect us from the establishment, not the other way around (even if that has been forgotten since Thatcher :s).
Worse comes to worst, say the gun was loaded, and cop died. We have a child who was too young to know the wrong he did, and a man that had pledged to lay his life on the line, fulfilling his pledge in the most final way. Most plods I know would take that accident a thousand times over, rather than a dead child.
Re:Fuck'em let the assholes kill each other. (Score:4, Insightful)
Because Israel is a secular democracy. Despite the noise of Jewish religious extremists, their positions are not widely shared in Israel.
Because Israel's basic laws do not contain a call to genocide the way the Hamas charter [wikipedia.org] quotes religious texts calling for the killing of Jews.
Yes. The West and everyone else should let Israel defend itself without having to worry about outside interference and without anti-Israel rhetoric being spewed at the UN and elsewhere.
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:5, Insightful)
Mossad is very good at what it does. As with the current action in Gaza, the idea to be "communicated" is that, if you attempt to hurt us, we will hurt you more than you can imagine. Usually, people get the message. Those who don't usually end up dead.
Cheers,
Dave
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:5, Insightful)
The UN will never support Israel, because all the Islamic (and often the ex-Communist) states form a voting bloc. Check out this YouTube video, it explains a lot of what goes on in the (now thoroughly corrupted) UN, and why the UN wanted to 'protect religion from criticism) recently - which meant removing Free Speech rights (to criticize the insanity of religion, especially Islam:
Understanding UN Bias Against Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Mupoo1At8 [youtube.com]
Re:11 years ago (Score:5, Insightful)
"Yes. You've been their and spoken to people - on both sides."
Yes, I have. You are being sarcastic, of course. You assume that I've never seen any of the mid-east. You assume that I get all my information from one or another biased big-media news source. But, I HAVE been over there. Beruit City was the most exciting and/or dangerous place that I have ever seen, with multiple armies and armed groups maneuvering in the countryside, as well as in the city. I was there before the Marines arrived to safeguard the remainder of the civilians.
Don't assume anything, my friend.
Well I haven't been to Gaza or Israel for about 8 months, so perhaps this is out of date, however I know your original statement
Unfortunately, there aren't any "good guys" over there.
is a load of crap. There's plenty of people trying to live nice normal lives in Israel, and live in fear of Hamas rockets landing on them every day. It's a terrible situation to be in.
On the other side of the fence (literally), there's plenty of people trying to live nice normal lives in Gaza, and live in fear of Israeli warplanes bombing them. Several of them spy for Israel, that's how the IDF manage to get so many targets. If they're caught, they're killed.
Given the mismatch in the power of each side, and the quality of housing, and the fact one side is governed by a terrorist organisation, means it's a lot more dangerous to live in Gaza than live in Ashkelon.
Some people in Israel near the border are bugging out, fleeing their homes to go to the north until things quieten down again. I don't blame them. A friend in Jerusalem was worried enough when the rocket landed nearby.
They're lucky to have that option, both having the money to escape, but also the freedom to move more than 30 miles from where they're born. On the whole though, they can't think it's that bad living near Gaza as there's little stopping them moving north (or south).
People in Gaza don't have that choice. I have a magic western passport and GPO card, it enables me to pass through Erez into Israel more-or-less at will. People in the West Bank can move a little, and even go abroad, but people born in Gaza - on the whole - don't have the ability to leave. 99.999% of them are born, live, and die in an area 1/10th the size of Rhode Island, but 150% the population. They have to grow their food, power their houses, teach their kids, and bury their dead in that slab of land.
Re:I think it's a falsified information. (Score:1, Insightful)
Let's see, with exactly zero Jews living in Gaza and Jordan, and every Jew living in the West Bank considered an illegal settler zionist occupier, but yet Israel is 20% Muslim, how in the world can you call Israel the apartheid state without saying the same (and notably louder) for Palestine and Jordan?
Separate roads? Try death penalties for selling land to a Jew in Palestine and Jordan. But no, Palestine and Jordan are not apartheid, they're "remarkably peaceful" as you claim.
Forced evictions, restrictions on travel, etc. Yes, you mean what Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Libya, etc have done to their own Jews after Israel's creation in 1948. But somehow, it's okay with you when Arab states do that.
The more you learn about the Palestinian limbo, the more you realize that they are remarkably peaceful despite the conditions they are in.
The more you learn about the decades of attacks and unified Arab aggression that Israel endured, the more you'd realize that they are remarkably peaceful despite the conditions they are in.