World Governments Object To New gTLDs 135
hypnosec writes "ICANN is receiving more and more requests for new generic top level domains, and governments around the world are busy registering their complaints and objections with the proposed names. To date, more than 200 objections have been raised against proposed gTLDs, with Australia leading the pack with over 120 objections. Some of the other countries which are at the forefront of registering their objections include France, Germany and India. US and UK are near the bottom of the list. ICANN's "early warnings" about national objections to gTLDs serves as formal objections but it doesn't mean that these domains will never be signed off. There is always room for discussions and mediation that would allow prospective registrants to keep on pursuing their claims. Australia has objected to names such as '.baby,' '.app,' and '.beauty' among other. It has also objected to names such as '.sucks' and '.wtf,' stating that these names have 'an overtly negative or critical connotation.'"
Hey I Know The Fix (Score:5, Funny)
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Indeed.
Bureaucracy will ensure no new gTLD's will be approved before DNS has been completely replaced and it no longer matters.
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New gTLD:
".noonewilleverusethem"
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what about ".australianpoliticiansareabunchofcunts"
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Next you'll be suggesting cooperation rather than competition.
It doesn't matter that competition leads to the majority ending up losers in ruins - think of the small minority of winners! Reach for that rainbow, man! You might just win a slice too!
Classical capitalism: throwing ten dogs in a cage knowing that there's only enough food in there for two.
Modern capitalism: as classical, but making absolutely sure the dogs kill each other rather than turning on you for throwing them in there.
Re:Hey I Know The Fix (Score:4, Interesting)
well, some conspiracy theorist would say that this new tld sellout and fucking it up so badly as they have was done to move control away from icann.
it's a nice idea, to have to just use google to get to google's web page, but such a system would need one gatekeeper entity and icann is not up to the task.
maybe they should have made it a sort of nobel prize to get - build a new data cable from africa to south america and as a prize get a new tld for you. or star a new country. anything else than first going with the idea of asking 185k for a chance to participate in a digital archery contest, then pulling out and not even having the green go light for the whole fucking thing.
before I was under the assumption that the people who had applied for those tld's had already paid the apply fee, is it so? because I've started to doubt that they couldn't be that stupid? or could they? I mean, if they did then isn't ICANN on the edge of being outright fraudsters?
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I was opposed to gTLD's at first, but I thought about another existing problem that we have, which gTLD's may fix.
If you own a trademark, let's say videolan. You figure, ok, let's pick up videolan.org. But oh wait, we need to prevent domain squatters from grabbing up the same names on .net, .us, .com, etc etc etc. Now instead of one domain name to maintain and pay for, you have numerous. Hell, you may have to pick up a domain name for every common TLD out there just to prevent squatters from grabbing it and
Re:Hey I Know The Fix (Score:4, Informative)
If you own a trademark, let's say videolan. You figure, ok, let's pick up videolan.org. But oh wait, we need to prevent domain squatters from grabbing up the same names on
The thing to remember is that trademarks are NOT intended to be globally unique in the first place. They are specific to both places and types of business.
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Reality all the UN will do is set a a series of treaties for domain names and to ensure IP addressing is protected and then countries will decide how far they will go with the treaties and which top level domain names they will recognise. Adding a whol bunch of top level domain names is nothing more than a big money grab to sell the same names over and over and over again. Often to the same companies that own the .com or .net names. At one stage they were going to offer the new top level domain names to th
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please say your joking
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"I know this! It's a Gopher [wikipedia.org] system! (hold off those velociraptors while I navigate the 11 billion node hierarchical tree)."
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So you want http://the.internet.sucks.dibs/ [sucks.dibs] ?
Australia sucks balls. Balls that Australia sucks. (Score:4, Insightful)
I call dibs on Australia.Sucks!
I mean, way to go Australia, that's thinking out of the box! If you prohibit negative and critical TLDs, then negative and critical speech will go away and everyone will be happy. I wish I had thought of that...
(Fuck you Australia. No really, fuck you.)
Re:Australia sucks balls. Balls that Australia suc (Score:4, Informative)
Damn, beat to the punch. But that doesn't matter, what matters is http://australia.sucks/ [australia.sucks] works even though it doesn't at time of writing. Or typing. Whatever.
But it's not Australia per se. It's a guy called Paul Twomey. He showed up in the late 90s after making a real dogs breakfast of internet regulations in Australia and was about as smarmy as they come so of course he did well in the den of lying clueless shitbag skullduggery that is ICANN and lasted 10 years until he lied to congress and achieved zero deliverables in a decade.
http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/ideas/internet/domains/eyestar/icann/ceo/salary/ [vrx.net]
So, after being ousted and replaced by Beckstrom I'd wager he ran around to any governmental authority that would list and for only $way_too_much helped them write a report on the order of ".sucks" sucks.
This was done through the "Government Advisory Committee" or "GAC", and I was there that day when the GAC was introduced by the ITU wonk Bob Shaw as an "essential" part to this. Where "this" was supposed to be "measure the consensus of the internet communty and implement it".
During an open mike session later that hour, I asked for a show of hands for support for this GAC. 11 out of 1000 people raised their hands, all government reps to the GAC even though it hadn't been created yet. It was emphasized this was "advisory" only.
Ok, we heard your advice, now fuck off.
P.S. I still have the .rm files of that day in Berlin fom the Berkman center archives if anyone's interested.
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I call dibs on Australia.Sucks!
Then I guess that I'll just have to settle for http://AustraliaSucks.Baby/
overtly negative or critical connotation? (Score:4, Funny)
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It is because our government has to much religious influence. Scary thing is this is our less conservative scummy government too. Our conservative government are a pack of loonies.
Remember this is the same country that only just passed R18+ rating on video games. After religious nutbars tried to block it for ages.
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The objections come from people with objections based on their religious beliefs. If the current opposition in Australia's Federal Government was in charge they would be wanting to block anything that didn't support the concept of White Male Christian Supremacy. However they still have people who have power, and those people in power are raising the objections.
Imagine if you will the Tea Party in the US was given complete control over DNS - but without needing to support the concept of Freedom of Speech.
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So ANYTHING should be allowed?
How about .iliketofucklittleboysuptheass?
I mean, if "freedom of speech" trumps all, there should be no limits at all?
How about .shitonmuhammad?
I realize that these are extream examples, but what is offensive to one large group is not always offensive to Slashdot types, who are rarely offended at anything.
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I realize that these are extream examples, but what is offensive to one large group is not always offensive to Slashdot types, who are rarely offended at anything.
As a Slashdot spelling grammar type, I'm offended by the misspelling of "extreme"!
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So ANYTHING should be allowed?
How about .iliketofucklittleboysuptheass?
I mean, if "freedom of speech" trumps all, there should be no limits at all?
If you can't tell the difference between saying something sucks and pedophilia, you're either an idiot or a pedophile who's afraid of "dirty words". Chill the fuck out and stop borrowing nonsense arguments from the likes of Rick Santorum.
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Look, it is up to the person who feels offense to speech to remove themselves from it's presence. We should not be restricting free speech just because someone could feel offense.
Just because you take offense to something, does not mean I should not be able to say it, you can always walk away and not listen.
Re:overtly negative or critical connotation? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm offended by your inability to recognize the fact that you're being offensive to those of us who are not easily offended.
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So ANYTHING should be allowed?
Yes
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So how is that any different to someone buying iliketofucklittleboysuptheass.com?
australia.wtf (Score:5, Interesting)
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Have they reserved .dingo ?
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No, but they've pre-registered http://www.dingoatemy.baby/ [dingoatemy.baby]
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I wonder if they've already blocked .dingoberries
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Critical connotation! WFT!? (Score:3, Insightful)
I fail to see how that is supposed to be a reason for not allowing a TLD. Critique and satire are important cornerstones of individual and free expression, of - yes - critical discourse and public debate. Yes, not everything on the internet smells like roses and tastes like sugar. But meaningful exchange has never been without thornes and sometimes words have to be nasty to get through.
It is shamefull for a democratic government to be acting in such a way. A democracy hears its citizens, accepts critique and initiate change whereever reasonable. Censoring speech because you're afraid of people not praising you all the way - that's the way of tyrannies.
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Where do you live? I live in the USA, which was instantiated with the intent of creating a constitutional republic, but which has mutated into a corporate oligarchy, primarily via legislative and judicial action. We can have no such expectations here, not if we're paying attention, anyway.
Not so sure (Score:1)
Is it really censorship to keep a semblance of order? To me a TLD doesn't seem like speech, but rather a protocol. Personally, I think by turning TLDs into speech we are opening a can of worms. But that ship may have sailed out the barn door long ago. Probably down the series of .tubes
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I will call many of those countries DINOs aka Democracies In Name Only since most people seem to equate "Democracy" to a government based on modern "Republicanism" which in not a Republic per se but something unique to the some movements in Europe and was a strong driver of the American revolutionaries.
DINOs do not honor immutable individual rights but do feebly proclaim human civil rights which varies with the governments whim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism [wikipedia.org]
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Basically no matter what kind of government you have, somebody is deciding what is right for somebody else, and government provides the theater by which force is used to make that de
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I wasn't. True democracy is mob rule. It has the intelligence and morality of a mob. We've been sliding towards that in the US but I don't think we can or will get there as it's untenable. I expect the US will become a defacto oligarchy of some kind.
To you what is the US now?
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I fail to see how that is supposed to be a reason for not allowing a TLD. Critique and satire are important cornerstones of individual and free expression
It is shamefull for a democratic government to be acting in such a way. A democracy hears its citizens, accepts critique and initiate change wherever reasonable. Censoring speech because you're afraid of people not praising you all the way - that's the way of tyrannies.
The global top level domain is a single word, a subject head. To call it "speech" is quite a stretch.
There is no global democracy, No universal definition of free speech.
No easy way to craft one without sounding either provincial or imperialist if you try. History. Culture. Legal traditions. All get in the way.
There is, I think, something to said for humility, maturity and common sense when dealing with other cultures. You don't have to go miles out of your way to be offensive. To make trouble.
".sucks" is
They can have .zune, tho'. (Score:4, Funny)
Brazil is objecting to .amazon being taken by amazon.com.
Let's hope Microsoft can't claim windows.com. 1. It was arrogant for them to name their custom windowing system that, and 2. The product is now more accurately described as .primaryColorTiles.
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or perhaps ".donotbuy" :P
Windows on a building (Score:2)
The [Windows operating system published by Microsoft] is now more accurately described as .primaryColorTiles.
I disagree. Look at the exterior of a building at night [nurture.com]: the windows make up a grid of little lit-up squares.
What's wrong with Baby? (Score:3, Insightful)
My first reaction was 'why would they complain about baby?' But I went and read the complaint. I guess I totally misunderstood the purpose of these gTLDs. I naively assumed they were just new extensions that everyone could use if they wanted. However the complaint about .baby was that Johnson and Johnson was reserving it for themselves. Well DUH!! of course you can't do that.
I worry about the lack of common sense in the business world.
Re:What's wrong with Baby? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I think AC is saying Johnson and Johnson wanted ALL addresses under the .baby gTLD. Agreed, this would be patently ridiculous (which is to say it would be as ridiculous as the current patent system).
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Why not just drop TLDs (Score:5, Informative)
Just stick to country codes for (Score:5, Insightful)
Just stick to country codes ONLY for top level names and let each country do what they want. .com, .net and .org, but doing anything else just creates a mess.
Of course that would mean the end to
But I don't see that happening, too much money to be made.
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Global translation lookaside buffers
Know something about i9 we don't?
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Just stick to country codes ONLY for top level names and let each country do what they want. Of course that would mean the end to .com, .net and .org, but doing anything else just creates a mess.
But I don't see that happening, too much money to be made.
This!
What was wrong w/ what we had? Make it country codes only, and retire .com, .org, .mil and .edu i.e. put them behind their national domains, be it .us, .ca, .eu,, .uk, .ru or whatever.
Roll it back.
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Actually, maybe just have www. at the beginning to show it is a web address.
Ah the world's nanny state is also present. (Score:3)
'An overtly negative or critical connotation.'
Yeah imagine people being critical.
Even worse: People being critical with a frown on their face!
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'An overtly negative or critical connotation.'
Yeah imagine people being critical. Even worse: People being critical with a frown on their face!
Just wait until they hear about ".gov" and ".mil" ... overtly negative or critical connotation indeed.
I liked the .spam TLD idea (Score:1)
Along with .scam, .lame, .sawthisbefore, and .nsfw. Those would make our sysadmins lives a lot easier.
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Right. Because all the spammers and fraudsters in the whole world will voluntarily move to a TLD that would allow them to be easily ignored.
Are you actually retarded, or incredibly ignorant?
World Governments ? (Score:3)
How many "World Governments" are there? I only know of one (Yhe UN) and not all of the National Governments take any heed to what they say.
If there was more than one World Government wouldn't they be arguing/fighting with each other?
(like during the cold war, the First World (Capitalist western Democracies) were nearly at war with the Second World (Communist Countries), and some of the fighting was in third world countries...
Police (Score:1)
The police in the Netherlands want to register the TLD .politie
(the Dutch word for police)
I think it is a ridiculous waste of public money.
And what if the word politie exists in other languages as well?
Of course they already hold politie.nl
And that should be it.
EU's position (Score:5, Funny)
Re:EU's position (Score:4, Funny)
"Attempt no registrations there."
This .sucks (Score:2)
>It has also objected to names such as '.sucks' and '.wtf,' stating that these names have 'an overtly negative or critical connotation.'"
We wouldn't want to have any criticism on the Internet, would we?
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I don't see the problem.
Certainly not in reference the god-awful eponymous movie [imdb.com]
US claims .army ;-) (Score:2)
I guess this is a case of the biggest guys slugging out for who has rights. Ouch, could be some collateral damage to bystanders! THERE IS ONLY ONE ARMY AND IT IS OUR ARMY!!!! COME AND HAVE A GO IF YOU DON'T AGREE! ooh could be nasty....
(actually to be fair probably the US are just arguing .army shouldn't be there as it's just too much trouble sorting out everybody wanting their army to have it...)
Feel a bit sorry for the folks in South America mind, 20 years time and maybe the amazon shipping company wil
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The U.S. Department of Defense already has .mil
perks come with inventing the interernet, and have the Two Words: nuclear fucking weapons
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One, two, three, its all the same when you have nuclear-fucking-weapons!
Would you even trust sites on these new TLDs? (Score:3)
/. should have a poll about this.
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Are all these domains under US jurisdiction? (Score:2)
Given how megaupload's raid was partially justified in it having an American TLD all these .baby domans seems like a move to extend US net jurisdiction.
How is .app offensive to Australians? (Score:1)
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.app is not offensive to Australians, they are objecting to it because "app" is a generic term and no one entity should have the ability to control its use.
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They're objecting to applications for generic terms where the applicant has stated that they will not make it available to their competition. For example, all Amazon's applications contain explicit verbiage saying that no one but Amazon will be allowed to register domains in them - and we're talking strings like ".baby", "kids" and ".book"
I object to ALL new TLDs (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't think of anything more outrageous and distructive to the DNS system than allowing a bunch of useless new TLDs which only serve to enrich ICANN, phishers and name protection rackets.
I guess I should be appalled and dismayed when you develop a structure on the Internet which explicitly allows governments to weigh in on decisions and it quickly devolves into childish nonsense... Nobody could have possibly predicted this??? ..give me a fucking break.
Giving governments a taste of say/power over the happenings of the net is bad policy it only encourages governments to seek more power which only results in bad outcomes.
It might seem silly but those extra layers in the ISO model are getting to be more and more important to the design of protocols and operation of the network. Being sloppy, greedy and a total sellout (ICANN) instead of clever and concerned about the freedom and well-being of users is a recipe for disaster.
If slashdot was still a site with editors: (Score:5, Insightful)
If Slashdot editors weren't just after cheap headlines they might have picked up on this:
Domain: Capitol
Australian objection: The useofgeographicnamesat the secondlevel:Thestring(.capital) is a generic geographicterm,and DeltaMillLLCdoesnotappeartohaveproposedsufficientmechanismstoallowcommunitiesto protecttheirnamesandreputationsfrommisuseatthesecondlevel.
So it seems that Australia is actually trying to prevent what many here fear, that there will be a ton of meaningless top domains which will force people either to register their sub domain to protect their brand/identity or have it exploited by someone else.
As for the giggles about .sucks wanna bet the company behind that isn't about protesting or free speech but "you want to prevent [your name here].sucks from appearing in search result, why not register it yourself, that will be 1000 dollars please. A tiny amount to the internationals, costs of doing business but feed a leech and it will only suck more.
I am with Australia on this and I think they should use their power to block ALL requests. Get the whole idea shutdown. Someone in government in Australia seems to be awake and the rest of world is asleep at the wheel as usual or to interested in just their own tiny section to see the big picture.
If only.... (Score:2)
It'd be great if we could get them to object to and block every single new topical TLD.
Those Aussies! (Score:1)
please Stop this tld crap, before it runs out of c (Score:2)
please Stop this tld crap, before it runs out of control!
Where did gTLD come from? (Score:1)
The domain names are (for now) pretty close to a common international digital vocabolary. Modern browser location bars mix domains and search terms when you type.
How did they come up with the idea that specific words could be bought by anybody?
I'm not saying the current domain structure is perfect, but releasing gTLDs will seriously destroy it.
A comment about list itself (Score:2)
Turns out, it is. The column headers are hotlinks that trigger sorts on the associated column. It's just not at all obvious that that's the case, because they've suppressed almost all standard hotlink cues. The hotlinks are bold, black and centered,
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