The Internet Has Transformed Modern Divorce 277
stern writes "The internet may be contributing to divorces (thanks, Facebook!) but it's also reducing the pain, especially the bitter fighting associated with joint custody. Calendars are now much easier to coordinate, and if one parent denies a court-ordered phone call to another, there's no way to hide the fact that the call didn't happen. Because of these and other technologies, divorce has changed radically in the last ten years. From the article: 'When [one divorcee] requested court-mandated parent counseling, the judge ordered the two to use an online tool called Our Family Wizard instead. Now, lawyers supervise e-mail exchanges between her and her ex, ensuring that each party responds to the other in a timely manner. All e-mails are time dated and tracked. Parents can create a shared expense log and receive automated notices and reminders about parental obligations.'"
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The internet may be contributing to divorces (thanks, Facebook!)
Or you could instead say that its facilitating the catching of cheating rats.
Re:increasing divorce or honesty? (Score:5, Insightful)
On the contrary, I think it is far more likely that Facebook will contribute to divorces in cases where cheating is NOT occurring. People who are insecure about their relationships are going to read into EVERYTHING on Facebook. But, generally speaking, people who are actually cheating aren't going to post about it on Facebook.
Re:increasing divorce or honesty? (Score:5, Insightful)
People who are insecure about their relationships are going to read into EVERYTHING on Facebook.
People who are insecure about their relationships are going to read into EVERYTHING.
Crazy or insecure people will act crazy or insecure.
Facebook just gives them another playground for their fears to romp around on.
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I think the problem with facebook is that its a new phenomenon and it's effect on already existing stable relationships was to reveal behaviors that previously had been something the spouse would never see. So suddenly the dynamics of a 20 year marrige are thrown up in the air. That's a difficult situation. Facebooks effects on newer relationships is the same, though less detrimental because the couple has less time invested. Eventually, as relationships grow with tools like facebook existing from the start, it should have less of a sudden shock that it's had on some relationships that it's new to.
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Way to anti-darwinize the situation. But it doesn't quite work that way. A person who would do anything they can to avoid playing into someone else's insecurities is bound to trip up from time to time... even if it is imagined by the other party. "Why didn't you answer the phone?!" "I was pooping..." "Oh yeah...sure... a likely story..."
Crap like that gets old very very fast. People just need to mature. And people don't mature without cause. No one changes without cause. It's why the "popular kids" in high school end up so weird much of the time -- what they were doing was working for them so they didn't bother to grow or change. Those who struggle continue to grow.
Easy solution to the facebook problem... don't do it. I don't. It's an obvious trap. MySpace was too. I don't get why people are so addicted to it. "Look at me!! I'm social! I have 1000 very close friends!!!" Do these clowns know how ridiculous they look? (Speaking of which, why the hell does it seem like more than half of the men capable of wearing facial hair have to wear it as a goatee? Shit's getting old man... and looks too much like a pubic mound.)
-1 troll... I know... I deserve it. Reality isn't nice. There *isn't* someone out there for everyone. That's a ridiculous dream. Presently there are more women than men and women STILL think they are all special and beautiful. Sorry, but no. Just no.
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If you need to consciously be careful not to play into your spouse's insecurities, maybe you have married the wrong human being. Being married is not supposed to mean you're in prison bounded to do whatever your spouse tells you to and avoid at all cost everything that isn't tolerated.
If it is your case, you just married someone that wasn't a good match.
The exception is having married someone whose insecurities changed afterwards. That happens. But usually, unless something big happened, this is within reas
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Yeah - but -
In a marriage, both parties are supposed to work to understand the other, and to build each other up. Some of my conduct changed when I got married. More of it changed when I became a parent. And, the other half has made changes for me.
If you're alive, if you're learning and growing, and if you actually care about the other person, you can expect that you're going to change as life goes on. Those who can't or won't change would do just as well to lie down and die.
That said, you're right. If either one of you is eaten up with jealousy and insecurities, then it was a mistake.
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"Had to wait"?
IANAL, but the great and wonderful Wiki says the US has no-fault divorce in all states and DC.
What obligated him to stay? What prevented him from leaving? Why did he need cops to *leave*?
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Getting a dissolution is easy, i.e. "not being married anymore" is a no-brainer in 99% of cases.
Getting divorced on favorable terms is completely different. In the GP's case, the wife was allegedly the one being abusive and assaulting the husband. Proving such a thing requires a paper trail. Said paper trail
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Easy solution to the facebook problem... don't do it. I don't. It's an obvious trap. MySpace was too. I don't get why people are so addicted to it. "Look at me!! I'm social! I have 1000 very close friends!!!" Do these clowns know how ridiculous they look?
Most people are "addicted" to Facebook because their real friends are using it to coordinate events or announce news. Not on Facebook? You missed the party. Not on Facebook? You didn't hear about the passing of your friend's aunt. It's not Facebook that they're addicted to, it's their friends.
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For most people Facebook is more like this though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W8K9SMI9Fk [youtube.com]
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Easy solution to the facebook problem... don't do it. I don't. It's an obvious trap.
It is an obvious trap for what? And no, people who use facebook aren't silly. You can stay bitter and old fashioned if you want
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Okay then. Give me lots of your private data... pictures, video, contact information... what IP address(es) do you use and more? BTW, I have public agreements with various companies and governments to share that data without your knowledge or permission but because we don't talk about it, you can pretend it doesn't happen.
Also, the people you are friends with? Do you really actually talk to them? The Seinfeld bit linked above really spells out the human need behind facebook and the like. People are foo
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I wonder if erroneus ever cuts their hair? Absolutely no difference between cutting your hair in a certain way and cutting your facial hair in a certain way.
Personally, I wear one because full facial hair is uncomfortable and shaving completely involves ripping the top layer of my face off as a result of one of the chemo agents I'm taking.
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Appearance: All hair (face and head) same length, approximately 1/4". full beard without hair on cheeks or neck. Decision is based on convenience, comfort and minimal effort requred to remain presentable at work.
I don't know why men can't grow full beards. I have had one since I was 17.
Re:increasing divorce or honesty? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you are underestimating how stupid people are.
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I think you are underestimating how stupid people are.
That mixed with the staggeringly open default privacy settings make such things very easy to detect.
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generally speaking, people who are actually cheating aren't going to post about it on Facebook.
No, but someone else will snap a pic with their phone of them at a party and post it on FB, exposing the fact that they weren't where they said they were. Then some buddy will recognize him/her on the pic and kindly bring it to the attention of the partner. The internet is a small place at times...
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But, generally speaking, people who are actually cheating aren't going to post about it on Facebook.
You overestimate the care that other people have with their own privacy. In the last two years, three people close to me (relatives, friends, etc.) had divorced from their significant other. ALL these divorces involved cheating evidence (not suspicious posts, but things like "Hey babe, let's get it on today on your place?") on Facebook. People are simply like that.
Re:increasing divorce or honesty? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or you could instead say that its facilitating the catching of cheating rats.
A large number of people do not 'set out to cheat', but if you put them in an environment that facilitates it they may stray in a moment of weakness, often regretted, but which can't be undone.
If your married and don't want to cheat you should avoid spending a lot of time alone with members of the opposite sex. Period. That includes on facebook.
Facebook is precisely the sort of place you shouldn't go. The constant bombardment of people you used to know, or sort of know coupled with natural human curiosity, and the false sense of security one has from being 'its only online' I'm safely at home.
And suddenly your chatting up an ex, and keeping it secret because your spouse would be pissed, and then they want to meet for coffee and you keep that secret too, and besides its just a friend... and they have feelings for you, and its kind of flattering, and you know its wrong but its kind of exciting... and then you've done something you regret.
And of course the evidence is all over facebook for your spouse to find out about one day when you forgot to logout; if the STD you brought home doesn't give you away first.
Point reiterated -- a lot of people don't intend to cheat, but if they are in a situation where they end up having a secret relationship with a member of the opposite sex... its definitely going to happen sometimes. And facebook is a prime breeding ground for (re)kindling those sorts of relationships.
If you want to avoid it, stay off facebook entirely, or have a joint family account instead of a personal one. If your going to tempt fate by chatting with an ex, having your spouse sit in definitely puts a wet blanket on any sparks...
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If you can not control yourself when faced with temptation, you have issues that divorce alone is not going to fix.
I'll bite and assume you are one of those guys that can control themselves when faced with temptation. And I have only one question: How's life when you make no mistake and you are not even afraid of ever making one? I am genuinely interested since you seem to be one representative.
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Why do you assume he's not afraid of making a mistake? He's possibly terrified and sickened of the idea of giving in to temptation, and therefore just doesn't let any situation develop.
Even when I'm single I tend to get disgusted by women that come onto guys too quickly, because I get the feeling that they are like that with everyone, and therefore any type of relationship with them would be short lived (which isn't what I'm into). When in a relationship I'm even less likely to be open to that type of behav
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Avoiding carnal temptation is not that hard. You just need to stop listening to your penis for a few minutes.
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If you know you are doing something wrong but you do it anyway I will call you weak willed.
Ify you forget about your SO while cheating then I will call you an insincere idiot.
And I will say that calling cheating "a mistake" is a euphemism that has to die.
Well, jumping out of the 11th floor is a mistake. And since I've never done that and therefore obviously being a person who doesn't make mistakes(employing
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Life spent being able to choose which impulses to give in to is actually pretty good. Most of the people I know with poor impulse control are complete wrecks in at least one area of their lives, which they otherwise could manage.
It has nothing to do with not making mistakes, or being unafraid to ever make them. It's still quite possible to make mistakes, they just usually don't result from impulsive choices. Lots of other causes for mistakes abound in life.
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If you can not control yourself when faced with temptation, you have issues that divorce alone is not going to fix.
Utter nonsense.
Specifically with marital fidelity, it's very common that people who intend to be faithful get too close to another member of the opposite sex, spending so much time with them (at work, for example) that feelings begin to develop, and non-physical intimacy gets gradually greater and greater, to the point that it eventually turns physical. Of course, the infidelity began long before it turned physical, and possibly before either party realized what was happening.
But the same holds with all sorts of temptation. If you're struggling to control your weight, it's a bad idea to put a big bowl of your favorite candy on your desk. If you're an alcoholic, it's a bad idea to go into a bar. If you used to be addicted to cigarettes, it's a bad idea to hang out with the smokers behind the building.
Relying solely on self-control when faced repeatedly with the same temptation is pretty much a guaranteed way to fail. It's much smarter to structure your life so that you minimize your exposure to whatever you're trying to avoid.
A Sunday School teacher explained it to me this way:
There was a stagecoach owner who needed to hire a new driver. Three men came in to be interviewed. In addition to all of his other questions, the owner asked each of them "How close can you drive to the edge of a cliff without going over?"
The first responded "I can get so close that the edge of the iron rim lines up exactly with the cliff edge."
The second said "I can get so close that the half of the rim hangs over the edge."
The third said "I don't know. I stay as far away from the edge as possible."
The owner hired the third man.
If you want to avoid temptation, the very best way to do it is to avoid putting yourself in a position where you might someday be tempted. A wise man told me shortly after I got married that it would be prudent for me to avoid, whenever possible, ever being alone with a woman other than my wife. I've followed that advice, and I've never been even remotely tempted to stray, and I doubt I ever will. Be tempted, I mean. I'm quite certain that I will never be unfaithful.
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There was a stagecoach owner who needed to hire a new driver. Three men came in to be interviewed. In addition to all of his other questions, the owner asked each of them "How close can you drive to the edge of a cliff without going over?" The first responded "I can get so close that the edge of the iron rim lines up exactly with the cliff edge." The second said "I can get so close that the half of the rim hangs over the edge." The third said "I don't know. I stay as far away from the edge as possible."
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People choose to cheat. If someone is tempted it means that he or she is not getting their needs met. That is what makes the affair appealing. Not sex, but the feeling of love and intimacy that is lacking. If it were not facebook if someone is miserable they will cheat or leave you anyway. Facebook just means it is easier to get caught.
We all are human and when times are tough we think back about exes and other people. When things are good in a relationship your desire to flirt to fantasize go down.
It is pr
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People choose to cheat. If someone is tempted it means that he or she is not getting their needs met. That is what makes the affair appealing.
Could be, but the difference is that people "not getting their needs met" can still behave honourably, get a divorce, and then look for someone who can meet those needs. Nothing excuses cheating.
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"And suddenly your chatting up an ex, and keeping it secret because your spouse would be pissed"
What? "Chatting up" an ex is already cheating. Chatting to an ex is okay. Meeting up for coffee when you know they have feelings - and you apparently are someone with no respect for your partner and/or no self control - is just going full blown retard.
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but if you put them in an environment that facilitates it they may stray in a moment of weakness,
Yea, people just "find themselves" in these situations with no idea how it happened?
Possibly the culprit is not caring enough to avoid the "environment that facilitates it" in the first place.
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If your married and don't want to cheat you should avoid spending a lot of time alone with members of the opposite sex. Period...
Some marriages have been ruined because the husband got bisexual or gay. Just to make sure everything is safe, I think you should recommend the married people abstain spending time with anyone. Mmmmh... pets may be a problem too, you have to address that.
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...then they want to meet for coffee and you keep that secret too, and besides its just a friend... and they have feelings for you, and its kind of flattering, and you know its wrong but its kind of exciting... and then you've done something you regret...
...not to mention the barista who has to mop up after you.
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Just being placed in that situation makes you commit that? What, are you Pavlov's dog? Think for yourself instead of blaming Facebook. You stray in a moment of weakness because you can't say no to being self-destructive. It's in your nature, just by looking at the things you're saying. The Thanksgiving Dinner post below is the most intelligent post for this article. Stop being so jealous, greedy, and possessive.
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People are naturally tempted outside the relationship they are in and lets be honest most "moments of weakness" is usually code for when alcohol is affecting willpower.
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This came up during Thanksgiving dinner at a friends house. A couple who has been married for ages talked about if having friends of the opposite sex was okay. Their take on it was that yes, it is okay, as long as you are not "running energy" with the other person (i.e. tempted). They also felt, and I agree, that if you have a friend, of course you want to introduce that person to your spouse.
Now, take me. I'm a huge flirt. I go out with a female friend of mine and she laughs at how often I flirt with women
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The reality is either that person is a whore (it happens)
Yes, everyone who has ever cheated is either with a terrible person or they are a whore. Nothing in life is ever more complicated than that.
Hypothetically... Suppose her husband spent the last 8 months in afghanistan and was still there now, her car broke down, and her neighbor who always had a secret crush on her rescued her, then invited her over for coffee she felt obligated due to the rescue, he was charming, then dinners what reason could she d
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Yes, everyone who has ever cheated is either with a terrible person or they are a whore. Nothing in life is ever more complicated than that.
Yes.
She's not a normal imperfect human who made a mistake; she's just a whore.
Yes.
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You've mentioned being "flattered" twice now. That's not a reason to cheat. If you're willing to have sex with someone just because you're getting attention from them, that pretty much is being a whore. Or there must be something wrong with the relationship that is making you want out, like the other guy said.
Being drunk is not a reason to cheat. I still have self control even when drunk. Even when I'm single and have some random hitting on me I still have pretty good self control. There has to be willingne
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Hypothetically... Suppose her husband spent the last 8 months in afghanistan and was still there now, her car broke down, and her neighbor who always had a secret crush on her rescued her, then invited her over for coffee she felt obligated due to the rescue, he was charming, then dinners what reason could she decline without being rude --
She's not a normal imperfect human who made a mistake; she's just a whore.
She didn't make "a mistake", she made a series of choices.
What do you think makes a woman a whore? If she wants to have sex and does, or if she doesn't want to have sex but can can be manipulated into it through the slightest threat to her pathologically fragile self esteem? I vote the latter.
"She felt obligated." If she wants to thank him, she should bake him a pie. She shouldn't be "coming over" for coffee, dinner, or wine to a neighbor's house - and certainly not one that she knows is interested in her.
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You've been watching too many movies.
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Lets not lose focus here. Whether or not its difficult has no bearing on what is right and what is acceptable.
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Actually, what he was trying to say was "you won't believe what a low bar I've set for what I now find acceptable."
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There's a huge fucking difference between failing yourself, and failing another human being. Especially one that you claim to care deeply about. How can you even consider making that comparison?
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...have you never given in to any other temptation, when you know it's wrong on an intellectual or ethical level, but have felt a deep compulsion to do something? Never eaten or drunk too much?
What a ludicrous comparison.
Let me adjust this for you:
Ethical lapse level #1: While married, have you ever glanced at someone and thought to yourself, "Wow, they're attractive!" or: have you ever eaten too much?
Ethical lapse level #243: While married, have you ever had secret sexual contact with someone not your partner, or: when hungry, broken into a grocery store stolen a few hundred dollars worth of food, then set the store on fire so you could heat the food?
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The quest giver in the MMORPG says I have to catch 10 rats in order to level up. (Or for the poor saps who work in the industry, the boss says you have to find and ban 10 exploiters before moving off front line support.)
On the plus side, we gamers never had to worry about divorce because we never even leveled up to dating.
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On the plus side, we gamers never had to worry about divorce because we never even leveled up to dating.
Besides, gamers who are caught cheating can just do the repeatable flower hand in quest for slow but steady regains of partner faction.
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1990....2000....2005....2006....2007....2008....2009 (-- Year
4.7......4.1.......3.6......3.7.......3.6......3.5.......3.4 (-- divorce rate per 1000 in the USA
source: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/births_deaths_marriages_divorces/marriages_and_divorces.html [census.gov]
How can you be looking for a common social cause for something that's not happening?
GOD I hate "common wisdom."
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But you have to take marriage rates into account, too. From the census site you linked (I only used the last source, 'cause I'm lazy):
1990: 9.8
2000: 8.3
2009: 6.8
And then, to get a more meaningful number - divorces per marriage - you just divide:
1990: 4.7 / 9.8 = 0.4796
2000: 4.1 / 8.3 = 0.4940
2009: 3.4 / 6.8 = 0.5000
And while that's hardly a strong trend, it is very much in the opposite direction of what you're claiming.
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Why depressing? Its just plain old reality looking us in the face. If people were meant to be monogamous they wouldn't have invented marriage in the first place. Theres a HUGE industry built around it, almost every movie or show you watch is all about dating then marriage, but the fact is if people wanted to stay together they wouldn't need a legally binding contract to ossify the situation. Marriage is a bad idea.
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Twenty-three years into it, I have to say that I disagree. Though I wasn't a likely candidate, marriage (and later, a daughter) is one of the few life choices that I can say was an unqualified success, thanks to my improbable success in finding such a great mate.
That reminds me, my anniversary is in two weeks, and the old girl wants a tablet computer. I better get to picking out a good one for her.
"Meant" by whom? That's the great thing about being human: we get to make choices about how we're going to live.
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So how has the institute of marriage made your life any better? Would not being married have cost you the relationship? I don't mean to pry, in fact don't answer if you don't want to, but for a lot of people, and by a lot I mean the kind of numbers that would have an epidemiologist nuking the city, the result is very different.
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I'll be honest. I tried marriage once and it was a pretty miserable failure Lost everything of value I owned and truly had to start over from square one, right in what should have been the "prime of my life". On the flip side, I got a great kid out of it -- but trying to justify the marriage as "all worthwhile" for that reason amounts to little more than an attempt to rationalize things. (Marriage, after all, is no true requirement for getting someone pregnant and having a kid.)
Since that time, I met a g
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In most countries you will still be considered married or at least more than simple friends (since you have lived together for sometimes) , and your partner legally has most of the rights of a married woman.
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In Alabama you are considered married if you live together for more than 3 years.
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You claim to be married, like checking into a motel as a married couple, or having your own wedding ceremony.
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I've thought about that a lot. Being "officially" married conveys a level of commitment that goes beyond convenience or just "we're together because we're together" and provides a level of social/legal recognition of the union. There may well be other ways to achieve this, but in our culture we would still call it "married". I don't care about the piece of paper or the legal framework so much as the depth of commitment they represent. We di
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I was feeling the same after 8 years in marriage when things suddenly crashed.
I thought we have a stable and good life. Then I found my ex did not think the same. She thought our life is boring and monotonous. That's why she looked around to find something.
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I have to say that I disagree [...] thanks to my improbable success in finding such a great mate.
If your success is so improbable then a good advice to everyone would be to not marry. Too few would be lucky to meet their ideal match.
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My success was improbable because of the mismatch between me and my wife in intelligence/attractiveness/sanity.
My grandfather used to say, "For every funny foot, there's a funny shoe" and the older I get the more I realize he was seldom wrong about stuff.
And, I'm not sure finding an "ideal" match is what I'm talking about. I could come up with some "ideal" that does not or may not exist. This is about "right" not "perfec
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Twenty-three years into it, I have to say that I disagree. Though I wasn't a likely candidate, marriage (and later, a daughter) is one of the few life choices that I can say was an unqualified success, thanks to my improbable success in finding such a great mate.
That reminds me, my anniversary is in two weeks, and the old girl wants a tablet computer. I better get to picking out a good one for her.
Hot damn, congrats to you, Pope! Get her something nice!
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Great! If you weren't married, would you have stuck together? If so, why get married, minor tax advantages aside? Sure it served a purpose once as far as child support goes, but the law has pretty much caught up in most developed countries.
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You might as well ask why people celebrate birthdays or other annual holidays. People love to celebrate and party. Weddings existed before taxes did. They're meant to be a celebration of union. A symbol of commitment. Though that's obviously becoming a bit of a joke these days.
They're not always based purely on love, depending on the culture, of course. But even if there were no tax advantages or whatever, people would still get married.
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Great! If you weren't married, would you have stuck together? If so, why get married, minor tax advantages aside? Sure it served a purpose once as far as child support goes, but the law has pretty much caught up in most developed countries.
In theory at least, there can be tremendous advantages to having a partner that you can depend on to share various tasks and responsibilities, and making that partnership somewhat difficult to dissolve on a whim can make the partnership more valuable. There are a variety of tasks that can be done more efficiently in such a partnership than singly - making meals for example can be done by one person and consumed by two (or more) with only marginal increase in the labour of the meal-maker. Pooled resources c
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I don't think anyone is questioning the advantages of the relationship. What's being questioned is the advantage of the contract.
In my relationship we have all those advantages, and don't miss any of the few additional ones which would come from a marriage contract. The only intrinsic one is medical decisions, and that's solved with a living will and advanced directives.
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Although it has sucked to be the son of a divorced couple, it's far better for me that they divorced when they did and find happiness separately than stay together, be miserable, and create a dysfunctional situation.
The parents of a friend of mine divorced as soon as he (the youngest sibling) graduated high school and left home. So in addition to the usual complicated feelings when your parents divorce, he was saddled with the extra guilt of feeling like he had forced his parents to stay together in misery
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My ex. wife of 10 years used to find friends on social network websites, talk to them for a while as a friend and go out with them. She cheated a few times and finally left with one of them.
When she came to my home, she did not have even a high school diploma (and no intention to study). She was the typical Penny (of Big bang theory), and I guess I was the Leonard, except when she left she was a PhD candidate.
She left and married with a guy much older than me (10.5 years older than her) which had a high sch
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Fraking things you do for love :( I loved her much more than myself. Stupid but true.
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Congratulations for the studies.
I learned you'd rather stay away from women that have problem, you are not the daddy to take care of them. Besides I found getting back together is committing a mistake for the 2nd time. If it wanted to work, it would have worked the first time.
I have unfortunately become too disappointed and afraid of relationships. Most women I met are in their 30s (35-40), they just want to fulfill their financial needs and have a kid. There is no love, they have become too unemotional and
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Thanks for the opinions. You always learn from people's opinion and view points.
- In regards to dating older women I have very serious considerations. You might have known by now that women need someone that attracts their respect. If they cannot respect someone, he relationship with that person is over. Every advantage brings points to the respect table. Age, financial situation, educational level, success in life, physical fitness, beauty... The lower age puts you at a very low advantage in that regard. M
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I'm sad my parents didn't divorce sooner. Heck, I wish my mother had had the sense to get away from my abusive father within the first year of her marriage.
Does that mean you were born by then, or do you just really, really love your mom?
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Very well thought and well said. I am divorced too and now that I think, I guess I am much happier even if I do not get sex or whatever a lady has to offer.
At least I do not spend 2 times to feed a nagging unappreciative cheating wife which did not bother to work even 1 day during the 10 years of our marriage.
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Anything else suggested in order to curb free speech to "protect" the children is stupid and whoever came up with those ideas should be hung by sunset.
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As a reason to abridge the rights of the public, many of whom have not chosen the responsibility of having kids, you're right, fuck that in the ear with a rusty railroad spike. And I say that as a parent: if my kid accesses images of bestiality or whatever you're into and is scarred by it, that's my fault. You can watch all the depraved videos you want, and put them on whatever websites you want. You can take whatever privacy measures you want even if it means that law enforcement would be unable to make sure you're not transmitting illegal material. If law enforcement has no good reason to think you're doing something illegal, then you should be free to be as secretive as you want. Anyone who says otherwise is an asshole. "Think of the children" has no place in such discussions, except to mark very stupid people who should not be allowed to vote in a country that claims to be the land of liberty.
It's just that assholes who want to increase the government's powers find it useful to use that line the wrong way. Using it to remind parents that they have greater responsibilities is not as useful. That's why typically when you hear it, it's with a bad idea, it's not an inherently evil idea in and of itself. In divorce cases, it can be quite the opposite. If you're upset at your ex-spouse, you really need to put that aside for the children and act like an adult.
Also, there's WordPerfect (Score:4, Funny)
Seriously, this is hardly news. What has changed in divorce is that most jurisdictions have abandoned most of the moralistic old garbage surrounding it, and now make it (reasonably) painless for intelligent adults to dissolve a marriage. Even when there are kids.
Not that there aren't still enough idiots out there to keep the lawyers busy.....
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I'm a divorced parent myself, and I found myself at least partially agreeing with one of the people who commented on the original article on the NYT web site. He said he doesn't understand America's insistence on joint custody and co-parenting with these toxic relationships that end in messy divorces.
I can't speak for the accuracy of his claim that in "other cultures", it's usually a winner take all scenario where one parent walks away and disappears, and the other steps up to raise the kid. But I definitely think there are times when this really is the best outcome for the kid.
It seems like we've made an automatic assumption that it's universally best for the kid(s) to spend as much time as possible with both parents, and on the surface such a suggestion sounds plausible. But not all marriages end simply because both people were immature and foolishly got married too quickly. Many times, one parent has a drug or alcohol addiction and becomes unbearable to live with. Other times, like in my own situation, the other parent suffers from mental illness (and contrary to what you may hear - medications for such things as bipolar disorder don't ever fully bring some people back into reality).
Our court systems essentially force these unfit parents to pretend they're able and willing to parent anyway, and the kid(s) pay the price.
I'm not against the idea of using tools like texting or email, or even some sort of moderated message system, if it helps parents work through the details of sharing custody in cases where it's the situation they're both striving for anyway. But I literally had my ex-wife tell the attorneys she was perfectly happy to sign all of her parental rights away. Yet the Family Court judge declared such a thing unacceptable, and made us come up with a shared custody arrangement instead. Something really is wrong with a legal system that believes they made a "better choice" by doing this. My ex moved to the other side of the country with some younger guy and only came to visit our daughter a total of 2 times in 10 years since then. She has a very small child support obligation she practically never pays, which has built up over time to total up to close to $20,000 so far. Reality is, my current g/f and I are raising my daughter -- not my ex-wife. And it would be foolish to ask her to make any kind of important legal decision on my kid's behalf since she practically has no idea about who she is and her needs anyway.
I suppose I could fork out the money to go back to court and fight to get full custody, and at this point, they'd probably grant it based on a decade of evidence of how things went.... but it's VERY irritating on principle that this could have been settled from the beginning when SHE said she wanted no part of being a mom during the divorce proceedings.
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Very self centered too I may add. Sorry bro.
At least you are responsible enough to care and do what is right. You could probably nail her on child support costs too. I know the idea is not be mean or get back at your exwife but kids are certainly not cheap and I do not know what you do when kids have early release every Tuesday or spring break and you have to work. She should contribute something and a full custody can get you some more child support payments so you can get a bigger house for them, food, an
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Personal experience?!
You know what happens if you do not work and chid support is due? A judge throws your ass in jail! Sounds like you had a judge who favored her (probably another woman) or you had a bad lawyer.
The court will give a 1 month 30 day extension to find a job and throw her ass in prison otherwise. Child abandament is a serious crime as the kid has to eat regardless. If the situation were reverse your ass would be in the slammer fast because you are a man and are supposed to be a provider. I do
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and pedophiles sign for them.
While they might be pedophiles, you're probably thinking of child molesters. That said, there are not many people who would rape a child; I don't see where this fear comes from.
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I can't speak for the accuracy of his claim that in "other cultures", it's usually a winner take all scenario where one parent walks away and disappears, and the other steps up to raise the kid. But I definitely think there are times when this really is the best outcome for the kid.
As an American living and abiding by one of those "other cultures" let me just say no. NO! NO! NO! Japan is one of those other cultures. There is no concept here of joint custody. A good friend of mine hasn't seen his boys in three years now, despite desperately wanting to. His ex-wife's psycho parents agreed with you that letting him see his children would "confuse" them, thus they told their daughter to move and not tell him where and refuse to divulge the information. He has no legal recourse.
Unless the
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You need to fix your sense of perspective as it's pretty fucking broken. As if meeting your adult child is the same planet as raising them from infant to high school graduate.
easier to track people for sure (Score:2)
easier to ignore their lies and find the actual truth.
Mod me troll but (Score:2)
Heck, I have karma to burn. Mod me troll, but as a homosexual, I'm flabbergasted about what part of "until death do we part" straight folks are missing about this whole deal.
Add in kids, and I really don't get it. I must be weird or something for not sleeping with everything I have a chance with and not cheating when I am sleeping with someone.
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However, love does not automatically make a relationship happy. The question is, should you stay married if you are not happy? I have chosen to stay married (faithfully, I might add) even though I am miserable because I'm seeing that our children are thriving and I want to keep it that way.
But parent happiness is also important for the kids. It is very positive for the children to see responsible adults (ie their parents) recognizing difficulties and setting priorities in trying to address them. If you are in fact miserable, then I encourage you to try to work with your spouse (and hopefully some outside resource like a counselor) to try to address that. Demonstrating to kids that everyone has troubles, but that it is worthwhile to try to address them rather than just giving up or silently su
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If you have no integrity, then none. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Except for the ones who figure that a single guy is either gay or a pedophile.
In the modern, politically correct society those are highly respectable lifestyle choices - and don't you dare crossing those groups!
But if you are lucky to work in a traditional environment, your coworkers will know pretty soon what orientation you favor. There are tons of hints, and one has to be totally blind to not figure it out. Besides, if someone is really unsure they will ask you directly, and then you can then answer
Re:Divorce will never happen to me! (Score:4, Funny)
What language can't be improved with the liberal application of parentheses?
Re:Divorce will never happen to me! (Score:5, Funny)
What language can't be improved with the liberal application of parentheses?
Lisp