Boston Cops Go Undercover Online To Crack Down on Concerts 229
Boston Police, according to an article at Slate, are engaging in a strange use of social media to fight crime. Or at least, to stop raucous music from disturbing the city. As the Slate writer says, "While police departments have been using social media to investigate for years, its use in such seemingly trivial crimes would be rather chilling, if these efforts didn’t seem so laughably inept."
What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
OK, I can see why cops go undercover to prevent murders and bank robberies and such, but to head off noise complaints? Is there some reason why simply to responding to noise complaints isn't enough? Are there no longer any murders, rapes, and robberies in Boston to investigate or prevent? What a waste.
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Funny)
It's a lot easier to get paid to sit at a desk and troll Facebook all day.
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know about that. I used Facebook for a few days, once, and having to scroll through the endless inane shit (even of people you know) is enough to make you want to use your service revolver on yourself.
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Re:What a waste (Score:4, Insightful)
...what amount of time she has wasted in Freecell to date, last time I worked on her maybe 3 year old PC she had something like 10,000 hours in Freecell, just nuts.
Considering a typical working years is roughly 1,500-1,600 hours a year, accounting for less than half the hours spent on Freecell, I guess she must have had a lot of overtime and work-weekends.
Re:What a waste (Score:4, Funny)
just leaving it on 24/7. I guess she just wants to screw around with the Big Brother system they have since they can see how many hours freecell or a browser has been online - so if they start complaining she can say that they should pay for the overtime since according to their calculations she has worked 12 years in the past 3(totalling the time for office, freecell and couple of other windows that have been open 24/7).
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40 hr/week X 52 weeks = 2080. Two weeks for vacation leaves 2000 hours of work in a year. I'm not sure where you got your estimate from, but it hardly describes any regular work year I've known.
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You get 2 weeks? The only time I've ever had that much time off, nominally, has been when I've been teaching, and even then it's not real time off because I have to prepare lessons and keep up on the literature. Tons of jobs out there give you less than a week, assuming you get any at all.
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Or you could live in some European countries where you get 6 or more weeks.
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What do you define as work?
Charlie Brown calls work the crab grass of life.
I happen to enjoy what I am doing. I love to solve problems and clean up other people's messes. It gives me a great ego boost.
When I am done with that, I then do more of what you call work to creat my artistic jewelry and clothing.
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What do you define as work?
Work is getting somebody to give you money to do something for them. It's something one does to pay the bills.
A hobby is "working" on something that you enjoy, like artistic stuff. You may get money for it, but it won't pay the bills.
Once your hobby pays the bills, hey, that's your work! And your hobby is then being a sysadmin or whatever.
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I think being a receptionist tends to be one of those hurry up and wait jobs, where they need somebody there in case something happens. In which case, it's far better to just let them screw around on something like that, which isn't likely to result in a lawsuit than staring into thin air. I've worked at places like that which don't permit anything but work, and it drives you nuts, slowly but surely, until you're contemplating if anybody would miss you if you just left the room for a few hours.
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First thing; they have got to get off the darn donuts! :(
I just got royally chewed out big time by my doctor to stay off of donuts from now on because of my high LDL.
I have never been reamed out like this before. He told me that I was killing myself by eating donuts!
I suggest that if they stop eating donuts, they just might get more energy to do more than just sit around.
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Is it possible she doesn't turn the game off while doing other things, but just leaves it running in the background? It's not like Freecell is that great a resource hog.
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
Lets take a look at a couple of scenarios;
1. A cop on the internet spending a couple of hours to find a DIY event, a couple of cops to show up and tell them not to run it and a couple of cops to show up on the appointed time to verify it didn't happen.
Total manpower usage 4 hours.
2, Respond to a noise complaint at midnight to find 100 drunken punk rockers at a DIY event. That would require the following to break up;
* at least 10 cops for 2 to 3 hours
* Transport to jail for at least 5-10 idiots who start fights
* booking time,
* court timetime,
* public service administration
Total time a couple hundred hours.
Which would you think is a better use of resources? Preventing a loud party is much simpler than stopping one in progress.
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This assumes that every DIY event results in a noise complaint, which is not a given.
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Sorry but a punk rock concert usually is pretty noisy.
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"Concert"? You're one of those narcs, aren't you?
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No, I just happen to have a decent vocabulary.
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Clearly you don't if you're not using the correct word.
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Just using the same language as the submitter. Would you call it a gig (which is slang for concert)?
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1. A cop on the internet spending a couple of hours to find a DIY event, then wastes man hours busting a crime that never happened.
Total manpower wasted on a non crime 4 hours.
2, Respond to a noise complaint at midnight to find 100 drunken punk rockers at a DIY event.
Lots of time spent on an actual crime
Preventing a crime is much simpler than stopping one in progress. But preventing a non crime is unconstitutional.
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Sorry but in most cities holding a large party in a residential area without a permit is a crime.
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A crime or an infraction??
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My first thought is that, who cares about a concert? They certainly don't seem to give a fuck about the assholes on their bikes with the modified mufflers going past my house that you can hear from two miles away and they don't give the slightest fuck at the retarded kids driving past with their music so loud that the bass rattles every window in the house and wakes everyone up dozens of times per day, 24x7.
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It's a start.
We really need to get back to a situation where if you can hear the radio inside someone's car from inside your house, they should be cited.
If you can hear the music from inside a bar inside your house, the bar should be cited.
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In most neighborhoods there are noise laws for this. In mine, if a car can be clearly heard from 50 feet there's a fine involved. Of course, police can't be everywhere.
I'm one of those guys with a loud system - inside of the car. Outside? No rattles and less noise than the engine idling. I feel no need to advertise my music to everyone, and I learned a long time ago that most everyone doesn't care to hear it anyways.
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
A few simple questions to ask.
1) in what neighborhoods are these proactive activities being conducted?
2) what demographics specifically are benefitted by this malappropriation of resources?
Consider how the Kennedys managed to halt the cape windfarm project buildout for decades, because they didn't want to see any windmills from their summer homes.
Now... consider: "Martha's Vineyard + roudy teenagers with loud music", interrupting their wealthy, well to do lifestyles. (Yes, I know MV is not in boston. I am pointing at the stereotype.)
It isn't hard for me to see this kind of thing happening, if "Mr Kennedy is being disturbed by all those rave parties down the street."
The issue isn't that cracking down on rave parties has more merit than cracking down on rape, armed robbery, kidnappings, etc. It is that "the wishes of wealthy and influential citizens" are more important than those things.
Just something to think about.
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Funny)
OK, I can see why cops go undercover to prevent murders and bank robberies and such, but to head off noise complaints? Is there some reason why simply to responding to noise complaints isn't enough? Are there no longer any murders, rapes, and robberies in Boston to investigate or prevent? What a waste.
These are the chuckleheads who found lite-brites with pictures of Mooninites (from Aqua Teen Hunger Force) [wikipedia.org] around the city, and treated them like some kind of nuclear bomb with a ticking clock.
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ya, the police here are like totally knuckleheads them moonites are da bomb and they should have totally left them up instead of harrazing regular kids like us
oh heay do yaz have teh address for tonights house concert my bff isnt answering her mobile phone and i cant read the address she faxed me kthanxbai i appreciate the 411 loveya oxoxoxox
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ya, the police here are like totally knuckleheads them moonites are da bomb and they should have totally left them up instead of harrazing regular kids like us
oh heay do yaz have teh address for tonights house concert my bff isnt answering her mobile phone and i cant read the address she faxed me kthanxbai i appreciate the 411 loveya oxoxoxox
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Why, sure, dude...here it is! [wikipedia.org] Just come on over...party starts at 4 PM on Friday.
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The BPD was the only one to flip out over it, and when it turned out to be nothing, the prosecuted over it.
There was no explosive charge, nor was there anything about the displays that would have permitted there to be any explosive charge of note there.
I remember years back when a local installation artist parked a huge truck with "da bomb" painted on it, amongst other things, the local police department did shut things down pretty good, but you're talking about a car, which could easily contain hundreds of
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I dunno, I read this and thought this was for the [older?] cops that can't be on active street duty for whatever reason. They sit at a desk and work.
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a legit concert will be held in a place with the right permit,certified by the fire department for that many people and will have enough security. cops even moonlight doing security for legit concerts
if you hold a concert in an area where it will bother people and the place isn't zoned for a concert it deserves to be shut down. people have a right to relax at home with no noise
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Yeah, OK, but I'm not objecting to shutting down noisy concerts that are bothering people. I'm objecting to using undercover cops to find out about the concerts ahead of time, before anyone complains. It's like having plainclothes cops follow people leaving McDonald's with takeout, just in case they later litter with their burger wrappers. It's too much enforcement for too minor a crime.
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The whole point is the concerts are being held in areas where the zoning laws prohibit concerts
Noise complaints are for the once in a while noise from neighbors
The cops are ok on this because these are organized operations to conduct unlawful activity. Not as bad as the mafia and real organized crime, but same concept
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You draw the line at a PA.
Instrument amps are loud enough for backyard concerts. Louder won't make you better.
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No, but it will make your audience deafer, so they won't realize how bad you are.
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You've clearly never had people living next door who blast their car boom boxes at 3AM.
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Murder:
google of "murder boston 2013"
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=murder+boston+2013&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gbv=1&sei=H4VWUaKhBcfF4APfqICoCQ
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013_murders_in_boston/
Rape:
google of "rape boston 2013"
https://www.google.com/search?q=rape+boston+2013&btnG=Search&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&oe=utf-8&sei=a4VWUay8N8-l4AObm4C4Bg&gbv=2
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/01/1
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Right so, maybe the real answer is we have long since reached the point of diminishing returns on enforcement and its time to.... stop hiring so many cops, and give them the opportunity to retrain for useful jobs?
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
there's every reason to criticize these assholes.
I mean, WHAT THE FUCK? it's illegal to have house parties in boston now? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK? you can't ask some guy with a guitar to come over to your house and some other guys to listen? WHO THE FUCK LOBBIED FOR THIS? the bar owners association? mobsters who get a cut from bouncers?
I mean, it's clearly different from just being ordnance against making a racket - if it was that then it would be reactive.
And this needs cops who could be patrolling street corners known for dope selling and muggings. or you know going to places where actual realtime noise complaints are made from. but I suppose it's safer and easier to just bully some hipsters.
if anything these guys should be - and probably as we speak are - trolled to going to joke meetings they have no right to disperse. wear togas while waiting for them to show up.
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But if they don't bust up the parties, there might be dancing !
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" WHO THE FUCK LOBBIED FOR THIS?"
Most likely the people who live nearby and have to get up in the morning to go to work to pay the mortgage/rent and feed and clothe the kids. Also these so called "parties" usually involve excessive alcohol consumption and use of illegal drugs.
You do not have a right to party as loud and as long you may want.
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I have been to house concerts here in Portland, Oregon and they are **far** different that what is alleged here
One house concert was a string quartet in somone's living room that started at 7 PM and ended at 9 PM. You could not hear anything from outside.
The other house concert was a small chorus (un-amplified) with a baby grand piano. It was also in a living room. And you could not even hear it from the front walkway of
Re:What a waste (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh no, not at all. They merely want to make every free act a gray area in court, so they can selectively prosecute whomever they wish.
Re:What a waste (Score:4, Informative)
You do not have a right to party as loud and as long you may want.
You DO have the right to party as long as you want. But yeah you can be loud, use illegal drugs, park illegally, serve minors... But how about we bust people AFTER they commit the crime, not before they MIGHT commit a crime.
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Also these so called "parties" usually involve excessive alcohol consumption and use of illegal drugs.
So? No one really agrees with the drug war, right?
You do not have a right to party as loud and as long you may want.
You do not have a right to voice your disagreement with government policies except if your voice is as quiet as a whisper.
Re:What a waste (Score:4, Insightful)
Now now, just calm down bro! I know as a young hip 18 year old kid you think loud music is a right outlined in the Constitution, but some of us -- real adults with real jobs and children to take care of -- actually NEED to sleep.
You see we have careers, and work all day. Then we come home for some much needed rest and to spend time with our family. We do this practically every day of the week, even Saturdays! Crazy, I know. So you can imagine, it's tough when a bunch of pot-smoking retards around your age insist that they need to blast music as loud as possible, louder than any normal level you'd listen to music at, and get crazy and fight in their front yard and keep the whole neighborhood awake, because they are young and rule the world and won't live to be 30 and YOLO, etc.
These wild partying kids have no jobs, no responsibilities, no children, and their parents clean up and pay for them. But as an adult, nobody takes are of us. We take care of ourselves! So we really do need sleep, and we've spent good money -- not your Mom and Dad's money, our own _real_ money -- to get a home in a decent neighborhood that should be relatively free of pointless noise.
I know this is confusing and doesn't make a lot of sense. Someday when you are a grown-up adult with adult responsibilities, a job, and a family to take care of, it will all make sense. I would hope at some point today you'll take that joint out of your mouth, stumble across the empty beer cans strewn about your floor, and go outside to observe what real people are actually like in reality. They are working, and they are tired. Is a peaceful sleep too much for them to ask? I think not.
You'll understand someday! I was a crazy kid like you who liked loud music once too, and then I grew up and gave up on my childish, immature, selfish, self-centered ways. So turn that noise down, and realize the Boston police are trying to do what's right for the hard working citizens with real adult responsibilities. Just sayin'.
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Informative)
Try actually reading the post that you're replying to. You know, bits like:
And this needs cops who could be patrolling street corners known for dope selling and muggings. or you know going to places where actual realtime noise complaints are made from.
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As another poster pointed out, it takes a lot LESS police resources to prevent a noisy party than break up a noisy show.
Prevent: 1 cop online 2 hours, 2 cops visit say don't do it, another 2 hours.
Break up party: 10 to 20 cops for 5 hours to break it up. More cops to process everyone arrested. Judges etc... to process bail etc... and lots more I don't know about.
On first reading I thought it seemed an odd thing to spend police resources on, but if these are loud, large, punk shows that disturb many p
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You'll understand someday!
Must be nice to be able to see into the future and to instantly know the ages of people you've never met.
That said, you'll understand why you're 100% wrong when you're older.
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there's every reason to criticize these assholes.
I mean, WHAT THE FUCK? it's illegal to have house parties in boston now?
No, it is illegal to have LOUD parties, or park illegally, or give alcohol to minors, or a few other things that were ALREADY illegal.
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Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
They could do, you know, what police used to do before they all became lazy. Back in the day we called it 'Walking a beat'. You know we'd go and assign them a neighbor and they could direct lost kids home, help old ladies cross the street, etc. All sorts of little things they did made neighborhoods want to have a cop around, rather then never wanting to see them. Not that there weren't bad cops back then, there were, but even the bad ones tended to do some good... Now 'innocent' people don't trust them and they only seem to do crap like this story....
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They could do, you know, what police used to do before they all became lazy. Back in the day we called it 'Walking a beat'.
Reality is, it's not the cops. It's the chiefs of police that caused that one, back in the 70's and 80's a lot of them got it in their head that it was better to have a "roving presence" then to have a guy on the ground walking and talking with people. Well, I was planning to go into policing until I broke my back, no such luck on that now can't complete the physical components to pass here in Canada. There are call codes for walking the beat still, but there's still a bloody stigma to it because of that
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Depends where you live, the cops around here went from dressing like bobbies to dressing in a more contemporary style, the type you'd see all over the place in the '80s, and they haven't really felt the need to update the uniform much since then.
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The demand for lower taxes killed beat cops. It is very expensive to hire enough cops to do that.
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They could, you know, what police used to do before they all became lazy. Back in the day we called it 'Walking a beat'.
This was back in the day when you willing to pay for such services. The manning requirements are huge.
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I'd rather go for decriminalization, thank you very much.
Or let's go after the real criminals in pharmaceuticals. You know, the ones sitting in penthouses, not working the streets.
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Y undercover? (Score:5, Informative)
>"loud rock shows can, in fact, be a nuisance to neighbors, as many of the people who put the shows on will admit. "
Of course they are. In fact, to many people (myself included), such noise in a residential area is not a "trivial crime" at all. But why is it necessary to go undercover? Isn't it easier to wait for a noise complaint, then sent units over to wherever it is and start issuing tickets??
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Wait for the noise complaints and just show up to shut things down? That's no fun for the officers --- they don't get to spend their evening rocking out at the hottest parties while getting paid double-undercover-overtime.
Re:Y undercover? (Score:4, Insightful)
Fair enough. As long as I can have the same cops troll every restaurant you frequent to prevent your two year old children from making noise that might disturb my meal. I am supposed to be eating, and I hate being robbed of a peaceful meal. And we all know, since you just specified that your two year olds are prone to crying hysterically, that there is a very real possibility there that MUST be addressed.
Nothing is a crime until it has happened, and we are all innocent until proven guilty.
Re:Y undercover? (Score:5, Insightful)
Plus there's lots of stuff that goes with the concerts other than just noise; poor safety, drink driving, general vandalism to the area, all the stuff that licenced concerts have to plan for or try to prevent.
Devil's advocate (Score:3)
Basically people in even small groups are known to do dumb stuff that requires a bit of oversight / public safety. It's like Mosh pits. When they first started there was an
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but why should they have any say in it? and what's different between an ug concert and some guys playing cello at your daughters graduation party? legally there shouldn't be a difference at all.
and uh.. straight x (no drugs, no nothing) guys have the most violent moshpits there are - it's the frat guys who get hurt when people forget to tell 'em that it's perfectly normal to get a fist to the face.
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what's different between an ug concert and some guys playing cello at your daughters graduation party?
The difference is measurable as decibels measured at some distance from the event. Most people are consistently against being woken by loud amplified music, no matter what the genre. The cellos playing at the lawn party down the street could not wake me up, unless they were amped and cranked, in which case I'd be disturbed. This kind of argument has fueled a generational divide for more than half a century, with the old people saying "turn it down," and the youngsters taking that as a sleight to their favor
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Thanks for the invitation to the Devil's Advocates' Grand Ball, I'll play along, too. Maybe this is also illegal drug related? Most licensed clubs will kick out drug dealers, for fear of losing their license. At an unlicensed party somewhere, anything goes. Add in some minor altercations that escalate into gang brawls (Mr. Brown, Mr. Drake?), and maybe the cops have a good reason to know where these parties are going on.
Of course, another explanation is that the police are just emulating the methods th
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There are many possibilities here. One is that these are young people who are simply testing limits as young people do. You know, racing down the road, as I saw two trucks labeled with stickers from our local redneck college, or drinking excessively, all to show they can act like badasses. The best case scenario is that nothing happens, the medium case is they off themselves and
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It is much simpler to prevent a known party than to stop one when it is already in progress. What do you think would take less manpower? Contacting a planned location and telling them not to have the party and stopping the setup or showing up to a complaint and attempting to stop a party that has a couple hundred drunk punk rockers? I know which one would be definitely safer.
By the way, noise is not the only issue with parties like this. There is vandalism, street brawls, theft, public drunkenness, etc. The
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But why is it necessary to go undercover?
Because they are doing this BEFORE there is any noise, before there is any crime committed.
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If you read the entire article, there's no proof that cops are going undercover. There's only proof that DIY show producers are paranoid. I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
Joseph Elwell.
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Clearly, you're a cop trolling here. Nobody on Slashdot reads the articles.
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You're right, except for the part of the article where it says The cops told the residents of the house that they found out about the show through email, and they bragged about their phony Facebook accounts.
Good for them (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm pleased that the Boston PD have a good, solid mission ahead of them. After all, you can only blow up so many Moonites [wikipedia.org] before it just doesn't feel right any more.
Buffoons.
Bizarre Story (Score:5, Insightful)
So, let's get this straight: there's no proof that the police are connected to this, just a half-baked assumption based on someone's analysis of a couple two-sentence emails? And the messages aren't even very funny anyway... ("LOL, he used the word concert . What a loser! Must be a cop!")
Slashdot editors, you need to step up your game.
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I agree that the electronic "proof" is pretty weak.
The police showing up numerous times just ahead of the event and giving warnings is fairly suspicious though.
Regardless I don't know that I care. I mean, I'd like the cops to be out doing something more productive than trying to ferret out noise disturbances before they happen. But what exactly would that more productive activity be, maybe handing out more revenue tickets or eating more donuts?
If you are deliberately planning to cause enough of a racket tha
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RTFA?
"According to one local musician who asked not to be named, the day before a show this past weekend, police showed up at a house in the Allston neighborhood, home of many of these house shows, claiming that they already knew the bands scheduled to play. The cops told the residents of the house that they found out about the show through email, and they bragged about their phony Facebook accounts. "
A few prowl cars... (Score:3)
is all they need for most of these cars running around with the stereo playing so loud the trunk appears to be passing wind.
I'm now wondering what sort of live music scene there is in Boston. Sounds healthy if there's a lot of bands setting up on street corners or in parks.
I don't understand this (Score:3)
There's no reason to go undercover or assign police to track social networking. There's already an early warning system for nuisance loud music -- it's called neighbors. If you get a call that someone is playing obnoxiously loud, that's the only clue you need.
It's not raucous if nobody is disturbed. If someone is disturbed, they'll say. What undercover work is necessary here?
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The thing is, it (disturbing the peace) is not a crime until it happens.
I see a Supreme Court trip (Score:2)
...not for the cops engaging in pre-crime enforcement, but First Amendment violations related to the ordinance they passed. It's not a noise ordinance as others have been trying to make out, it's a fine for any gathering "which consitutes a violation of law OR [emphasis mine] creates a substantial disturbance of the quiet enjoyment of private or public property in a neighborhood. Behavior constituting a public nuisance includes but is not limited to excessive noise, obstruction of public ways by crowds or
Boston: The City of Hate (Score:3, Interesting)
If you don't live in Boston then you wouldn't understand why we do the things we do. Have you ever gone driving on the Jamaicaway, walk around Berkley around 3:30pm on a Friday, tried talking to people on the street, parked at an inner city gas station that doesn't even have gas, getting a combo meal at Dunkin Donuts, used the Green Line, get a parking ticket in Beacon Hill for sitting in your car for 3 minutes, or done any of these delightful things in Boston? If you have then you know exactly what I'm talking about. Boston is the city of hate. Everyone from good old Tom Menino down to the foul-mouthed Red Sox fan knows that the primary objective is to maximize annoyance and dysfunction. The police wasting our time and money on this garbage so fits the profile of our fair city that nothing surprises me. If you disagree, then you've never been to the court house in Roxbury or the police station in Jamaica Plain. I can't see how any institutions could be managed worse. Remember the JP clerk that tampered with the evidence of thousands of drug cases? Eh, we'll forget about that. Instead let's try to chum up to some lousy Harvard/young person ideal by using Facebook to do everything. Remember, the crippling failures who are administering essential services in our city are utterly hopeless and need something to distract themselves with, otherwise they'd try to do their job and end up doing more damage. If you've never had a taste of this while living in Boston then clearly you're living under a rock or working for some very insular ultra-elitist academic cell. Say, dood, mind if I come ova to your office and tak about the Patriots? See what I mean?
Hilarious would be... (Score:2)
Hilarious would be if the officers could somehow apply for the permit for the organizers upon hearing of the event, have a judge sign off on it and show up to the event to scold organizers on not getting the permit, charge the process fees for the permit they processed for them before wishing everyone present a safe and fun night as they leave.
It would take being that renegade non-conformist type up a notch
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Both asking and answering a question in a single sentence; well done sir!
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This. I don't think the story is accurate but sleep deprivation is used as a literal form of torture for good reason, and can have enormous effects on your health, memory, in a wide variety of areas. It's no laughing matter, no matter how much fun the cool kids are having. Wikipedia says:
Generally, sleep deprivation may result in:[5][6]
aching muscles[7]
confusion, memory lapses or loss[6][8]
depression[8]
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They left out:
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Kids need sleep as much as anyone, they just usually aren't doing anything important enough with their lives yet to miss it. Zing!
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Asking a 'victim' likely won't get you the most impartial answer, but then again, what is and is not trivial is a subjective matter to begin with. I do consider it trivial enough as to find it ridiculous that they might be using undercover cops to stop things such as this.
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Dude, headphones are insufficient (so you don't really go to sleep until you collapse) and they wake you up from the pain after a few hours.
You can't control your reactions to deep bass. It manipulates your body directly. That's why people use it in concerts. It also passes easily through fairly thick walls.
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The police aren't going to show up and arrest you before you have your party - they're going to show up and tell you that if you have an illegal party, they're going to arrest you before if gets started. What counts as an "illegal" party will vary.