Reversible Male Contraception With Gold Nanorods 160
MTorrice writes "Men's options for birth control have significant downsides: Condoms are not as effective as hormonal methods for women, and vasectomies require surgery and are irreversible. Doctors and scientists have for decades searched for more effective and desirable male contraception techniques. Researchers in China now propose a nonsurgical, reversible, and low-cost method. They show that infrared laser light heats up gold nanorods injected into mice testes, leading to reduced fertility (abstract) in the animals."
Balls of gold! (Score:2, Funny)
Finally! I don't have to trust that ding-bat I picked up to remember to take her pill!
Re:Balls of gold! (Score:5, Insightful)
Finally! I don't have to trust that ding-bat I picked up to remember to take her pill!
You'd also better hope that she doesn't have Aids or Herpes or anti biotic resistant Syphilis or ....
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"My nuts are made of GOOOOOOLD! Isn't that weird?"
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"My nuts are made of GOOOOOOLD! Isn't that weird?"
Nah, they're getting Jasper Carrot to advertise this technique [abgee.co.uk].
Also, if I was going to inject my balls, I'd do it with heroin [bash.org] instead...
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If I was going to inject my balls, I'd do it with heroin [bash.org] instead...
The withdrawal for that has got to suck mightily!!!
Non-surgical (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Non-surgical (Score:5, Insightful)
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Unfortunately nothing does that. Even a vasectomy isn't 100% perfect and can fail to prevent pregnancy, and also sometimes fail to reverse.
It sounds like this combined with the rhythm method would be ideal for a lot of couples. Condoms work for some people, but I find I either have next to no sensation with the normal ones or use the extra thin ones which are better but tend to break. Neither me nor my partner like them so use other methods.
Re:Non-surgical (Score:4, Informative)
Usually vasectomies or other occlusion methods lead to a build-up of sperm, which the immune system reacts against. The main reason vasectomies are generally irreversible.
The best method I know about is RISUG [wikipedia.org], which is another reversible male method employing an injection (into the vas deferens, not the testes). It lasts for 5 - 10 years depending on the size of the injection and has been nearly 100% effective in testing. There isn't much pharmaceutical interest in "cure" techniques (as opposed to "treatments") but there is a non-profit trying to make RISUG available in the US.
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Yeah, I read this as needs in your balls. No thanks!
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This.
And besides, it is the girls job to prevent pregnancy, after all, they are the ones that get knocked up. At least, that's the way it has pretty much always worked in the past.
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it is the girls job to prevent pregnancy, after all, they are the ones that get knocked up.
Only if you make sure that she cannot identify you and hit you with a paternity suit (unlikely for Slashdot readers, but not impossible).
One paternity suit lost can be expensive, even for NBA players, so it is in the interest of some men not to leave by-blows.
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Well, let's put it this way.
My idea of commitment, is telling her my real name.
It'd be my idea of fun, but... (Score:2)
I'm a fuckin' sadist.
What?
Did ya think I meant my 'nads?
Nah ... Yours ...
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Huh.. Looks like you actually came late this time. Must be a first for you.
Gold nanorods in my balls? (Score:4, Funny)
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "money shot"...
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And you thought it hurt to lose your phone to a mugger!
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Heck with that, it puts a spin on those cash for gold commercials that's gotta make most guys cross their legs.
Significant downsides? (Score:4, Insightful)
Forgive me if I see "gold nanorods injected into my testes" as being a "significant downside" in and of itself. This coming from a guy who was snipped 10 years ago with non-working anesthetic.
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Don't forget frying them with lasers before you get your sex on. And they say condoms are mood-killers.
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In the immortal words of Ben Elton (before he lost his cool).
"But I'm *sensitive* and I *love you*... so *please* stick a bit of barbed wire in your fanny"
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If you'd had gold nanorods at least you'd have some bling now.
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Yes, but on the upside, you've got golden balls now.
Marketing will try to get them to make the process work with brass.
Sign me up! (Score:1)
Just don't fall asleep on the laser-seat, or your balls cook from the inside out.
What could possibly go wrong?
CAPTCHA: toasted (for real)
Needle In The Balls (Score:1)
FTFA:
'testicular injection'
I think i became infertile just by reading the article.
key word (Score:4, Interesting)
That's not difficult at all. Diet, temperatures, radiation, hormone therapy, steroids, and apparently mountain dew can all do that. 100% stopping fertility is the hard part. This discovery is absolutely nothing. "Reduced" fertility is not good enough and never will be. "This sort of works" is not a good marketing strategy for contraceptives. In women you try to stop 1 cell from doing something. In men, you have to stop 100% of trillions. It's basically impossible.
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...and apparently mountain dew can all do that...
Apparently not true [about.com].
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leading to reduced fertility
In men, you have to stop 100% of trillions. It's basically impossible.
Did anyone else just hear Carl Sagan, one hand on his crotch, saying 'Trillions and TRILLIONS..."
"Baby Maybe" brand of condoms... (Score:2)
George Carlin's take on the marketing of unreliable contraception.
I still miss that man's sense of humor...
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Last time I tried to use a female condom, it didn't stay in place, and the round part at the end sucked out lots of menstrate and sprayed it all over the bed. It was like CSI.
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Are we supposed to infer from post content that in some cases, Anonymous Cowards are women?
Because having a laser shot at my balls (Score:2)
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Well, you know, there are all kind of fetishes!
The problem is statistics (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The problem is statistics (Score:4, Informative)
Out of 300 million, 2/3 come out dead or swim in circles. Out of those, maybe a few thousand make it through the cervix. Then maybe 100 or so make it into the fallopian tubes. If the egg popped out more than a day ago, it's no good, and if it's not there yet, the half life of those few sperm is about a day.
So eliminating 99.9% from the start is pretty effective, given that a normal healthy couple only has about a 1 in 5 chance of conception in any month.
Perspective on this changes a lot between being a teenager terrified of getting the girlfriend pregnant to being a late-30's married man, hoping baby #2 will come after spending years and big money on fertility treatments to get baby #1.
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Nope the changes of a normal perfectly fertile woman getting pregnant and going to term with a live birth are 20% per cycle, whether you are trying or not. That you and your wife managed it first time on three occasions is just random good luck on your behalf. In no small part because your wife did not miscarry.
It's a sample size of one which statistically is irrelevant. There are plenty of couples that have no fertility problems are trying all the techniques etc. and get no where for potentially years.
Reme
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Male sperm travel faster, it sounds credible to me that based on cycle the male sperm could have an advantage (less effective at waiting for an egg to drop perhaps, but if the egg is right there, they get in it first). 120 M to 100 F at fertilization I think.
Re:The problem is statistics (Score:5, Interesting)
Male sperm travel faster, it sounds credible to me that based on cycle the male sperm could have an advantage (less effective at waiting for an egg to drop perhaps, but if the egg is right there, they get in it first). 120 M to 100 F at fertilization I think.
The X/Y size difference is actively being exploited [microsort.com] for IVF sex-selection; but apparently the accuracy is a bit tepid even with fancy flow cytometry techniques.I'd imagine that less carefully calibrated distance-based tests would show even weaker results(and not have the amusing side effect of making ethicists cry, which is a pity).
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Makes sense and I tried to find a reference for this but didn't find one on a quick search; might be able to find one if I spend more than 10 mins...
Taking bets (Score:2)
Heats up you say? Kills sperm AND sperm generating cells you say?
So lets recap, acid reflux damage over and over increases cancer risk. There is evidence this is a contributing factor for smokers.
Doing small amounts of damage in the testicles over and over.... where could the harm be there? I suspect they have not found anything that's going to make it to clinical trials.
Vasectomies aren't reversible? (Score:1)
Vasectomies aren't reversible? Since when?
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Reversals seem to have a 95% success rate as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy_reversal#Success_rates:_patency
Re:Vasectomies aren't reversible? (Score:4, Interesting)
BPAS cites the average pregnancy success rate of a vasectomy reversal is around 55% if performed within 10 years, and drops to 25% if performed over 10 years
From the same article:
BPAS cites the average pregnancy success rate of a vasectomy reversal is around 55% if performed within 10 years, and drops to 25% if performed over 10 years.
95% successful at producing some viable sperm, but if its been >10 years only 25% effective at producing offspring.
And its most successful reversal rate is within 3 years, which, quite frankly, why bother with surgery you plan to reverse in 3 years?!
And ~that~ combined is what makes it impractical as effective male birth control. In an ideal world you get get one at 15 and then reliably reverse it at 25-30 when you want kids. But by that point you are well into 75% of it not working well enough to get anyone pregnant territory.
Its great once you are -done- having children, but if you plan to have children in the future... not so much.
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And its most successful reversal rate is within 3 years, which, quite frankly, why bother with surgery you plan to reverse in 3 years?!
I rather expect that most short-term reversals are due to tragedies, not plans. You get a vasectomy after you and wife have all the children that you want, and then they all die within a year or two (as happened to a great-grandmother). Some people might just quit, but others will want to try again.
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I rather expect that most short-term reversals are due to tragedies, not plans.
Agreed. Or the marriage falls apart and your new partner wants to have kids too. I wasn't suggesting that situations for relatively short reversals don't ever arise.
I was only suggesting that it would be a very strange route to deliberately plan to take.
Its not to be treated as "birth control" -- it should be viewed as permanent "sterilization". That it can be reversed with a considerably more complicated and expensive surgery t
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I've read that the mechanism of the irreversibility is that the immune system begins destroying the sperm, which can no longer exit the body. Makes sense given the timelines you quoted.
The ideal method you're looking for is probably RISUG [wikipedia.org], which has the qualities you seek - nearly 100% effective, lasts 5-10 years, totally reversible (with fertility restored in days - weeks). Also, an injection into the vas deferens sounds a lot better than one in the balls (to me anyway).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy_reversal#Success_rates:_pregnancy [wikipedia.org]
Roughly 76% pregancy rate if the reversal is performed within 3 years of the original operation but successful pregancy rate drops off with the number of year bewteen the original Vasectomy and the reversal operation.
Re:Vasectomies aren't reversible? (Score:4, Informative)
Six years later I went to get it reversed. The technology was now well-established, and microsurgery was becoming commonplace. It now cost $15,000-$25,000. The claimed success rate was still 70%. Both attempts were complete failures, as were over a dozen attempts at artificial insemination. It's been fifteen years now, and we no longer regret not having kids, but it took Rosa a long time to come to terms with our mutual infertility.
TLDR; never, ever, assume a sterilization procedure is reversible.
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No thanks, I'll wait for Vasalgel. (Score:3, Informative)
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Umm... (Score:2)
WARNING: (Score:2)
If you experience Glowing Red Ball lasting more than four hours, seek medical help immediately as permanent injury may result.
See also: Vasalgel (Score:1)
http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/ [parsemusfoundation.org]
false premise (Score:3)
FALSE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy_reversal [wikipedia.org]
Close enough (Score:4, Informative)
Vasectomy reversal is difficult, expensive, and only works about half the time. I think it's pretty clear that the summary was referring to something with reversibility as a design point, not a workaround...
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Title is misleading (Score:4, Insightful)
(from TFA):
"In a lower hyperthermia treatment, the morphology of testes and seminiferous tubules is only partly injured, and fertility indices are decreased to 10% at day 7, then recovered to 50% at day 60. In a higher hyperthermia treatment, the morphology of testes and seminiferous tubules are totally destroyed, and fertility indices are decreased to 0 at day 7."
In other words, the 'reversible' (or more accurately temporary suppression of fertility) process drops fertility down to 10%. As an actual birth control process, 10% fertility might as well be 90%.
The elimination of fertility by this method - ie to 0% - seems to be irreversible.
So the process is more accurately a method of male sterilization (for which it may indeed be valuable, if it's less invasive, less painful, etc. than vasectomy); the "contraceptive" role seems to be far less reliable than current methods by at least one, perhaps two orders of magnitude.
Only by the most extreme hyperbole could this be called "reversible male contraception".
Sci-fi idea (Score:2)
Magnetically actuated valves in the vas deferens, normally open or closed, your preference. Want to get the non-default state...strap some magnets onto your nads.
Anyone with medical knowledge know how workable this is?
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Good point, so the default-open configuration is a no-go.
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It doesn't happen with a vasectomy...
Say what? (Score:2)
I think I hear my phone ringing.....in my car.....I'll be right back.
What's that burning smell? (Score:1)
Need to work on the name (Score:2)
The missing ingredient. (Score:2)
Say you do convince Goldfinger to give your balls the Midas touch.
Are there even enough laser mounted sharks to sizzle all the scrotes?
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Real problem is estimated market size, not tech (Score:2)
The real problem is that pharmaceutical companies don't think there is a market for male contraceptives. It has nothing to do with technologies. There have been many effective, reversible, non-invasive procedures in human trials for the past 30 years:
http://www.malecontraceptives.org/ [malecontraceptives.org]
The issue is that "most men" think contraceptives are "unmanly" and will "never take them". At least that's what several doctors have personally told me when I was investigating contraceptive options. Nothing will move forw
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Men would never use male condoms. That's why condoms are a seldom-used form of contraception.
But I can't help but ask... what the fuck are you smoking, and can I have some?
Oh oh oh I got this one (Score:2)
GOOOLDMEMBER!!
already solved (Score:2)
I thought this approach was proven years ago by Apple and their warmer-than-warm laptop machines. Plus I'd rather have a laptop in my lap than gold rods near my rod.... or something like that.
"Irreversible"? (Score:2)
A quick Wikipedia query shows that you're wrong to classify a vasectomy as "irreversible".
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy_reversal [slashdot.org]
Reversals are not 100% successful, cause a reduced potency rate and come at considerable expense (oh, yeah, and you still need to have someone slice up your junk ... twice!). So, you shouldn't get one with the plan to have it reversed someday, but they are not absolutely irreversible.
Vasectomies have been reversible for years ... (Score:1)
I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, but vasectomies are pretty benign other than the intended effect. They are easily reversible.
I'm not saying I want to line up to get cut, but now they even do things to help ensure that it'll be easier to reverse in the future if you want. Its ridiculously short office visit to get it done.
Last I heard, Goldschlager was not a good contraceptive, the opposite really.
Clueless, are we? (Score:2)
So, a vasectomy isn't reversible? Then how come the hundreds of billboards I've seen off US Interstates over the last dozen or so years advertising exactly that haven't been taken down, and the advertisers put in jail for false advertising?
mark
I have a better idea (Score:2)
Anyway, many sci fi movies have already solved this problem. Blow up the moon! Technically, allegedly, that's a female contraceptive but whatever.
You want to shoot what at my junk? (Score:2)
Better reversible male method exists (Score:4, Informative)
There is already a long-standing, reversible male birth control method called RISUG [wikipedia.org]
RISUG employs an injection into the vas deferens of a copolymer which can be removed at anytime via a second injection of bicarbonate solution. The copolymer is believed to hold a matrix of stable ions which rupture sperm as they pass the affected part of the vas deferens. Decades of testing have shown the method to be almost completely effective. Because the sperm still exit the body, no immune response to built-up sperm develops (the major reason vasectomies are generally irreversible). I know an injection sounds scary, but it's with high gauge needle and a local anesthetic, and one injection would provide 5 - 10 years of protection (depending on amount of material).
Sounds a lot better (more effective, more reversible, less likely to have complications) to me than putting gold nanorods in your balls and heating them with a laser...
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Did you hear about the birth control pill for men?
A man puts it in his shoe and it makes him limp.
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There's a newer male birth control pill that I've heard is out on the market:
a man takes the pill and it changes his blood type.
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Yes. A laser to my balls is much better than using a knife.
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The problem is getting the shark into the surgical theater...
Laser to the balls... that's gotta be on a Star Wars gag reel!!!
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As with any male contraceptive, there's one big problem: guys lie.
"Sure, honey, I've got the gold thingies in my balls. Don't worry."
Not a problem. The law is completely stacked against men when it comes to conception. He would be guilty of rape, and be forced by the government to pay child support (even have his wages garnished to accomplish this), with no consideration at all towards his ability to pay.
Consider a woman that lies about conception. He has no parental say regarding abortion, and can still be forced by the government to pay child support. Legalized slavery, a blast from the past.
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If guilty of rape, a criminal offense with minimum sentences of several years, how do they garnish his wages for child support, let alone garnish them so much that he cannot afford to pay? Getting her unwillingly pregnant is a tort, and she should be able to receive compensation, just as if the man had injured her with his car rather than his hot rod. This would have been enforced by the folkmoot back in the days when killing was just a matter of paying a (rather large) fine, so complaining that one has t
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If you can't trust somebody to use contraception when they claim to, then you should probably use a condom - and also consider, really carefully, if fucking them is such a bright idea. Would you trust them to be open about STDs?
Are you confusing one-night-stands to long term relationships?
The fact is, trust can be -- and is often -- misplaced. Are you willing to bet the next 18 years of your income on this trust?
Seriously, the argument "women don't deserve reproductive arguments because bitches be lying" is just shit on several levels.
Did I make that argument? AC posted that men lie. I counter that men who lie face all the consequence, while women who lie do not. You don't see the inequity?
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Did I make that argument? AC posted that men lie. I counter that men who lie face all the consequence, while women who lie do not. You don't see the inequity?
I think you forgot about the part that women must contribute child support, too. They don't just get a free ride. It all depends on income. With gender pay inequality comes gender child support inequality.