Tesla Model S Can Hit (At Least) 132 MPH On the Autobahn 410
cartechboy writes "There are few places in the world outside of a race track that you can safely--and legally-- go faster than 130 mph, but the Autobahn in Germany is one of them. After Tesla announced it'll offer a future special 'autobahn' tuning package to improve the Model S's high-speed driving characteristics, one owner took his car for a high-speed run on the infamous Germany highway. He hit a maximum speed of 212 km/h, or 132 mph. With 416 horsepower on tap and full torque available from a standstill thanks to the electric motor, the Model S went from 60 mph to 100 mph in less than five seconds. (Given the included video is mostly focused on the speedometer, lets hope the driver at least glanced at the road.) Only once the car passed 100 mph did its acceleration begin to slow."
Impressive. (Score:3)
Impressive. But stupid. Yes, the autobahn has unlimited speed, but they also require that the vehicle be in serviceable condition. Given the warning indicator for the tire pressure system, I kinda wonder if the tires were properly inflated and in good condition. But at least the test wasn't for long.
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Probably, they were.
When Top Gear took a Bugatti Veyron [topgear.com] up to top speed, they said the tires would only last a few minutes, but the fuel would give out slightly before then.
My guess is driving that fast puts a lot of strain on the tires, and even if you started off with no warning lights, you'd end up with a couple.
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Top speed on the Veyron was about 70mph faster then the Tesla. That's an entirely different league.
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Yes and no. I'm betting this was about the top of the engineered range for the Tesla and its tires -- which likely means they didn't really do a lot of engineering and testing around these speeds.
Going as fast as your tires are rated for has about the same net effect I should think -- they get very hot, start to wear out, and likely don't have the expected pressure any more.
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150mph tires are relatively common. They just cost more then regular tires. You'll use up a set on a track day, but not in one run.
I don't even want to think about what a 200mph+ DOT tire costs.
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I figure if you can afford the 200+ mph car, you don't give a shit about the cost of tires.
That, or you've spent so much on the car you can't afford to operate it -- which makes you a complete moron. (Not 'you' in the specific, of course, the hypothetical supercar owner who can't afford tires)
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Tire Rack to the Rescue: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=35
"V" speed rated tires, rated to 149 MPH, are common on just about any "performance" car, like say a Mustang.
"W" (168 MPH) and "Y" (186 MPH) are in fact relatively common, and stocked in most performance sizes at your local warehouse.
The "Z" rating simply means "somewhere above that", and "go read the manual".
For instance the stock tires on a Z06 Corvette are: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&ti
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Re:Impressive. (Score:5, Interesting)
132 MPH isn't THAT ridiculously fast, but it is certainly fast enough that you shouldn't be doing it on standard production tires, even the ones rated for high speed, because they aren't rated for that high speed for any length of time ... or even ... say hitting a reflector on the road.
However, if you're tire pressure warning lights are coming on at those speeds you should immediately remove your foot from the accelerator, put both hands securely on the wheel and COAST down to a slow speed before applying ANY brakes and stopping.
Pressure monitors activing at high speed either means the monitors are mounted incorrectly and centripetal force activated them (likely) or your tires are coming apart and your death is rapidly approaching as a tire disintegrating in a Tesla S at 130 MPH is likely going to require a good bit of driver skill if its a front in order to stay off the guardrail. Hell, at that speed a rear is going to be a bad day too.
They shouldn't lose pressure at all. Its a sign the tires are ballooning, and thats VERY VERY BAD.
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I was thinking more along the lines of stupid because you can see him holding his smartphone with one hand in the reflection. At least he was on the Autobahn.
Re:Impressive. (Score:5, Informative)
> the autobahn has unlimited speed,
The autobahn has unlimited speed in areas that are marked as such. However, much of it is marked at speeds similar to or slower than what you would expect on American highways.
Plus a lot of those "unlimited" zones don't stretch on for very long.
Speed limits change on the autobahn with an annoying frequency.
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Impressive. But stupid. Yes, the autobahn has unlimited speed, but they also require that the vehicle be in serviceable condition. Given the warning indicator for the tire pressure system, I kinda wonder if the tires were properly inflated and in good condition. But at least the test wasn't for long.
I own a Model S. There's some type of issue they've been having the cause the computer to lose the wireless signal from the pressure sensor under certain conditions, at which point that error will pop up. When I called Tesla service after it first showed up, they told me that they had some issues with the roadsters regarding electromagnetic noise from the motors interfering with the wireless from the pressure sensor, and that they thought they had the problem solved for the Model S, but that reports like
Infamous? (Score:3)
Infamous autobahn? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Re:Infamous? (Score:5, Funny)
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And someday (Score:2)
Montana (Score:2)
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Does Montana still have no speed limit during the day?
Sadly, no. Just dug up the detail for part of a reply to the /. article about the guy who drove across the U.S. in record time but very illegally. After the 55 mph national speed limit was abolished, Montana reverted to their pre-1973 limit of "reasonable and proper''. This left it to the police to decide what was ''reasonable and proper'' which someone decided was now too vague so they went with the standard 75 mph on interstates and a slightly above standard 70 mph on state roads.
Cheers,
Dave
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0-60 != 60-100 (Score:4, Interesting)
With 416 horsepower on tap and full torque available from a standstill thanks to the electric motor, the Model S went from 60 mph to 100 mph in less than five seconds.
Ok... what does the whole "100% torque from standstill" thing have to do with 60-100 time?
You do realize that 60 MPH is not a standstill, don't you, cartechboy? Lord I hope so...
P.S. I found a nice chart of the 60-100 times of a host of automobiles here [torquestats.com] for those that are interested in how the Tesla S stacks up.
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With 416 horsepower on tap and full torque available from a standstill thanks to the electric motor, the Model S went from 60 mph to 100 mph in less than five seconds.
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P.S. I found a nice chart of the 60-100 times of a host of automobiles here [torquestats.com] for those that are interested in how the Tesla S stacks up.
What I learned there is that the Tesla has better highway acceleration than a large number of sports cars, but won't be setting any records. So not at all bad for an electric production model.
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With 416 horsepower on tap and full torque available from a standstill thanks to the electric motor, the Model S went from 60 mph to 100 mph in less than five seconds.
Ok... what does the whole "100% torque from standstill" thing have to do with 60-100 time?
Right. He should have said "full torque available at any speed".
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Where did you get this magic electric Toyota Maxima?
Where is there a section of I95 without a speed limit? Or did you break the law?
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Two magic words here:
Radar Detector
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Florida uses airborne traffic enforcement heavily. When I used to drive down the length the peninsula, I had a nice mileage log with the location of every enforcement zone on the route noted. Handy, that.
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It's quick. But an Ariel Atom is 'very impressive'. 0-100, 5.4 seconds.
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Yep, it's perfect.
I was shocked to see some idiot had ruined one by putting batteries and an electric motor into one.
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If by "ruined" you mean "turned into a monster of savage acceleration and broke a number of records with."
Sure it's no longer exactly a lightweight, but still lighter than the lightest of your average production cars and certainly not "ruined."
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It's ruined. It's slower, much slower around corners.
The Atom is traction limited. Adding weight, even if you add torque is not a gain.
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It's quick. But an Ariel Atom is 'very impressive'. 0-100, 5.4 seconds.
The Atom is missing certain luxury elements in order to achieve it's admittedly extremely fast acceleration. Like windows. And a roof.
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Yes, because a 600 kilo 4.9 cubic metre F1-style sports car is the same as a 2,100 kilo 14.0 cubic metre luxury hatchback sedan.
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Meh. My 1964 VW Microbus can go from 0 to 60... on a good day.
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+1 Funny, yes with a good tail wind (hurricane style)
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I've got a 2.0, fuel injected porsche motor that will fix that.
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not really, no. In that amount of time, a lot of cars can do 0-100. New hybrid mclaren will do 0-60 in 2.8, but can't remember what it's 0-100 is, but it does a standing quarter mile in 10.2 seconds at 145mph
So you're saying it's not impressive because it's not as quick as the top-tier, 7-digit-price hypercars?
Tough crowd...
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It's not impressive for the price (no electric car will be, because it's like paying most of the fuel costs up-front), but still a very good time overall.
Re:huh? (Score:5, Funny)
Considering the Maxima was made by Nissan and not Toyota, absolutely.
Otherwise, not so much. ;-)
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most speedometers don't even go that high, so I wonder how it was accurately measured, especially in 1993 when GPS units weren't common.
He was being paced by a Honda Mustang (with the upgraded speedometer package) being driven by a unicorn.
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That doesn't match my experience from driving with an independently verified GPS speed...if anyone is selling a street-legal car with an inaccurate speedo, there are some standards bodies who would like to be notified...
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What cars do you buy?
Many common modern cars are limited below that. ~100mph is a pretty common cut off.
A Porsche is not really a normal car, they are designed for enthusiasts.
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150 is the most common cutoff for fast cars. Even cars that don't go that fast in stock form.
At about 150 aerodynamic forces like to lift the front wheels off the ground on cars that aren't specifically setup (spoilers and airdams) to go that fast.
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I thought is was 131. My old Mazda MX-6 was 131 or 132 - it was in the electrical schematics. Found it once on I70 west of Baltimore. It took noticeably more time than the Tesla to achieve fuel cut-off speed than the Tesla.
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At about 150 aerodynamic forces like to lift the front wheels off the ground on cars that aren't specifically setup (spoilers and airdams) to go that fast.
Maybe on certain older designs, you rarely see that on 80s and later cars. On modern cars if there are any lift problems, it's always at the back.
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At about 150 it becomes apparent that most cars are basically airfoils.
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I'd hate to be motoring down the Autobahn at 130-140 mph and run out of battery. A gasoline or diesel powered car has a range of 300-500 miles (depending on speed, engine efficiency, and size of tank), so assuming a 1/2 full or better tank, running out of fuel after 80-100 miles is not an issue.
At 130+ MPH a gasoline or diesel powered car gets nowhere near 300-500 miles of range. They most likely are getting sub 10 mpg.
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Definitely less than 10, that would be the upper limit of the MPG you might get at those speeds.
Re:Speed is good, but what about range? (Score:4, Interesting)
what is the range while doing said 132 mph?
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more than the tesla...
Re:Speed is good, but what about range? (Score:4, Insightful)
Citation?
I believe it, but I bet it would be pretty close. Especially since the Tesla is way more aerodynamic than most saloons. At those speeds air resistance will be a major factor.
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agreed, i don't have exact numbers as for some reason no one keeps such info ;)
however my 06 s4 did little over 80 miles at 135 (average) before i stopped to get gas. tank wasn't full but pretty close to start and it was a little less than quarter full at stop. so maybe 90 miles in that one specific example.
at 100 it went for over 200 miles so a pretty sharp drop...
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Wow you have a really inefficient car... I regularly drive the Zurich - Frankfurt route, and can get from point A to point B in one tank driving REALLY fast! Sure there are spots where I am limited to 150 KPH, but other times I drive 250 if I can.
Re:Speed is good, but what about range? (Score:5, Interesting)
There is a huge difference between driving for range, driving sanely on the highway, and driving on the track. Here are my numbers, and they are real, recorded on the spot, as opposed to remembered.
The car: Volvo S60-R, modded to 460hp at the wheels, AWD fuse pulled.
Average MPG as of this morning: 29.7mpg. (It got smogged on Saturday, the guy took two tries and two hours, lowering my MPG by a full mile)
Usual average MPG: 31mpg
Best MPG from a trip: 36mpg (Chino Hills/San Diego and back)
MPG from a highway trip where I was driving like a moron: 8.7mpg (Chino Hills/Las Vegas)
Worst MPG ever: 3.3mpg on the track.
I've done 560 miles on a tank, and I have emptied my tank in under 60 miles. It really matters how you drive...
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i don't know about 130 but at 145-155 yeah it moves
You can get that data in real time (Score:3)
Your vehicle has an OBD-II diagnostic connector.
You just plug in a 'ScanGauge' or similar device.
I see a real drop off in instantaneous MPG from 70 and up.
Turns out 68 is the sweet spot for my car, about the same point as my motorcycle.
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With the turbo kicked in and out...I usually got about 10mpg out of that engine. Granted, it had been raced before I bought it, and from what I know, it wasn't exactly a street legal compression in the engine, but my range from fill up to fill up (not fully empty mind you) was about over 200 miles....250 - 260 or so?
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nice, mine was pretty stock other than lighter wheels and exhaust.
non street-legal compression (Score:3)
It probably makes much too much nitrogen oxide smog molecules to be legal.
Re:Speed is good, but what about range? (Score:5, Funny)
No, there's no way a Citation could hit 132 MPH
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Unless it has a JTOL on its roof.
Re:Speed is good, but what about range? (Score:5, Informative)
And the headlights, and the radio, and the bluetooth adapter, and the fans for the climate control system, and the ECU, and the BCU, etc.
None of that stuff uses any significant amount of power. Headlights are about 35-40W for Xenons, radio is surely less than 10W with today's class-D amplifiers, you have to be a total moron if you think Bluetooth uses any significant power, climate control fans are maybe 10W, ECU etc. are a few watts max. Compared to the Tesla's battery pack that supplies several thousand amp-hours of energy, all that stuff is nothing. The only thing that's going to affect range in any significant way is the use of the heater or air conditioning. In real driving, your driving style is going to have far more impact on the range: whether you accelerate too much, brake too much (and don't use regenerative braking), or even if you have the sunroof open.
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Never mind your "beast". ANY decent luxury sedan can cruise at 130MPG. I've done this myself on American roads.
The autobahn and BMWs are both overrated.
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What's the range of the petrol car once you're at 132mph?
Better than an electric piece of shit.
Jeremy Clarkson, is that you?
Nah, he'd have had a much better burn than 'electric piece of shit.' That's the kind of wit I would expect to come from a James May fan.
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Sure, but no gasoline car gets 300 miles at 130mph either.
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also are there any tesla battery swap stations on the autobahn?
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2. Tesla swap stations don't exist yet and when they do, they're not a swap so much as an expensive rental with lots of fine print. Remember when blockbuster (remember blockbuster?) eliminated late fees? Great... but if you didn't return it in time, they decided you bought it and charged you even more. Guess what happens if you don't return your "swapped" batteries back to the same swap station within their specified time frame?
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I'd guess I wouldn't get the one they took from me back and I'd have to keep this new/old/different one.
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The pricing scheme is supposed to be set lower than an equivalent amount of gasoline in the local market, so there's that.
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Tesla swap stations don't exist yet and when they do, they're not a swap so much as an expensive rental with lots of fine print.
Citation? Your post is the first place I've heard of any time-limit rules like that.
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No one said that.
Nor does any gasoline car I know of do that.
At those speeds air resistance becomes a real impediment to fuel economy.
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Really? You know, how so? I have driven those types of stretches and at that speed can get that mileage. And yes I live in Europe and yes I lived in Germany.
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There..fixed that for you...
And with the US being so large, one can travel here for a lifetime seeing new and different things and people and never have to leave the country.
Not necessarily a bad thing, just a different experience based upon geological location.
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Yep.
On Autobahn I did 220kph in a 320d 6 speed wagon, and 240kph in an Astra 1.6 gasoline..
Given Tesla's aerodynamics, and 416 hp stated power, I would expect a Vmax easily of 300 kph. I am surprised about a 132mph limit. I am guessing this is set in firmware to correspond to tire limits (iirc, 130mph is a US tire speed rating)
Fantastic choice on the E34 m5, btw. I have an E28 M5 myself..
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Could be a gearing issue, or rather the lack of gearing to be more specific. It seems to get up to the top speed reasonably quickly, but if the motor hits its speed limiter, well, that's it, because you can't upshift even if the motor is still making sufficient power to overcome wind/rolling resistance.
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Re:That's pretty crappy. (Score:4, Informative)
My car can do 140 mph with only 200 horse power.
You ostensibly have a sports car (a pretty one at that) but the Model S is a sedan and it will still spank your '86 in the 0-60 (3.9s vs 6.0s) and 1/4 mile (12.4s vs 14.7s). It all depends what the machine is optimized for.
Don't race a Model S for pink slips.
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i will race it any day... for 400 miles
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Try doing it in first gear.
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416 horse power and it can only do 132 mph is nothing to brag about.
My car [wikipedia.org] can do 140 mph [autoevolution.com]....eventually
FTFY
That's because it has a software governor. (Score:3)
416 horse power and it can only do 132 mph is nothing to brag about.
It's not a technical limitation. The Model S has a software governor that caps its top speed. Part of the "tuning" package Tesla plans to offer for German Model S customers is a raise on the cap to somewhere closer to the "gentlemen's agreement" of 155 MPH that most auto manufacturers limit their cars with.
There's also a hidden menu setting to turn off the governor. [cleantechnica.com] See the video at just before the 1:00 mark. I haven't read anything about people trying it, though.
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The Model S has a fixed 9.73:1 ratio.
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Re:typo (Score:5, Funny)
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Oh my, a very hyped up and expensive car .. can go ... a lot slower than other, cheaper cars. ...
Definately newsworthy
Dang fanboys http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/05/173223/tesla-model-s-can-hit-at-least-132-mph-on-the-autobahn# [slashdot.org]
Pardon me, but what cheaper sedan goes from 60-100MPH in less than five seconds?
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If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer....
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"IIRC its about the same size and shape as a Tesla S"
Not really; plus of course the Lotus was/is also lighter and with worse passive safety.
But a far, far better car, in my opinion. (Tried one - have always loved straight sixes with their perfect primary and secondary balance).
At the time, eveyone focused on its power and top speed, taking for granted the usual Lotus magic on suspension and hence steering, braking and handling. I nearly bought the car I tested - it was £5K a few years ago. When I l
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Re:Dumbass (Score:5, Informative)
Tire pressure MONITORING system.
If you owned a car with one, you'd know they are the bane of your existence. They're constantly failing.
Neither of us has any idea whether he checked tire pressure before he did the run. 130mph isn't really that super-duper in a modern car with tires rated for it...as noted, a decent number of people to it on the autobahn, or the Nurburgring, every day.