Ask Slashdot: What Review Sites Do You Consult For IT Equipment? 129
JackAcme writes "Searching for product reviews via Google mostly turns up sales sites masquerading as review sites. Consumer reviews on Amazon and other big retailers are suspect since so many manufacturers are paying for positive reviews. Where do Slashdotters turn for reliable, informed reviews of new hardware and software?"
Newegg (Score:5, Informative)
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Newegg. Usually has the most honest reviews and manufacture responses if it's because of an RMA or a neg review.
Newegg reviews are usually written by 13 year olds. Usually just 2 sentences at most, with one of the sentences being "Newegg rocks!!!"
But by reading closely and by paying attention to what kind of reasons the reviewers give one can usually get a good idea of how qualified the reviews are and what criticism of a product one should take into consideration.
Newegg rocks!!!
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Course, you have to be careful with their prices. Most of the Apple stuff they sell is previous generation, but they sell it for it's original retail price [which is generally the same and sometimes more than the retail price of the current generation product].
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Why would you want to buy Apple products anyway?
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Yes and no. I tend not to put too much stock on these crowd sourced reviews.
You don't know how qualified these people are. Many times there isn't included enough information in the little blurb provided. I have spotted many times, where a user has put a one star review, and posted how something didn't work, and I can pretty much guess what they did wrong. However this also depends on YOU knowing what the hell is being talked about at all. If you don't you will have a hard time spotting anything. I would sug
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You don't know how qualified these people are. Many times there isn't included enough information in the little blurb provided. I have spotted many times, where a user has put a one star review, and posted how something didn't work, and I can pretty much guess what they did wrong. However this also depends on YOU knowing what the hell is being talked about at all. If you don't you will have a hard time spotting anything. I would suggest many times people don't know, which is why they are checking out reviews... so beware.
Exactly. You have to be able to read between lines, and either know something about the product, or be able to read up on background information
Fictitious example: I want to buy a trendlink XL wireless IP camera. ... ...
Review 1:
One Star. Although the manufacturer claims to support Linux, live stream requires the Microsoft ballatonga protocol which is only supported by IE 4.0 and even when
Review 2:
One Star. Their totaly asshats. This produce is udder garbadge. DO NOT BYE!! I tried everything but
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I tend to ignore negative reviews unless very specific and repeatable, which is hard to maintain with items with limited number of reviews. I try to do the same (I am up to provide some soon for a new system I built).
Basically when everything works fine and a positive review is given, I find it easier to swallow. When something doesn't work, unless they show that it isn't because of their own ineptitude I don't give it much credence.
Difference:
Review 1: DOA Didn't't work, POS! DO NOT BUY!
Review 2: Not compa
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My problem with the Newegg reviews is just about everyone claims their knowledge or tech level is a 5 but many of their comments clearly do not reflect that. Someone claiming they are a 5 bitching that the could not get their unmanaged switch to work with LACP and the $25 switch with the metal case runs better then the $20 one with the plastic case because it stays cooler. What is the obsession with some computer geek end users and the temperatures that their things are running at?
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because we need to know if running WoW on our Pentium II is going to cause a fire?
Re:Newegg (Score:4, Insightful)
Geek reviews for geeks!
I agree - look at the reviews of sites like Newegg and other similar sites is useful, but the most useful reviews are the reviews that contains some presentation of the disadvantages of the product in question. A review that is all the way positive is pretty useless, I want to know the limitations of the product I buy to know if it's worth the money. All products have limits, but not all limits are a problem for me as a user.
It's like shopping clothes - you can of course buy XXL clothes to have a spacy solution that you can use everywhere, but it won't look good and can be a disadvantage in some cases. I want clothes that fits my lifestyle.
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Yes, definitely Newegg. Then read mostly just the negative reviews, filter out the nit-picky ones and look for a pattern.
Re: Spiceworks and expertsexchange (Score:3, Funny)
"expert sex change"!? I don't think that's the kind of equipment the OP was referring to
Re: Spiceworks and expertsexchange (Score:5, Funny)
Well, it beats Amateur Sex Change.
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"expert sex change"!? I don't think that's the kind of equipment the OP was referring to
Isn't that the sister site to penisland?
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No, you are thinking of johnwaynebobbit.com
Re:Spiceworks and expertsexchange (Score:5, Interesting)
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If only they'd do the same for BigResource...
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As someone who used to contribute quite a bit to experts-exchange (and have the T-shirts to prove it) and stopped doing it when they wanted me to pay for the privilege, I cannot endorse them.
HardOCP (Score:5, Informative)
http://hardocp.com/ [hardocp.com] is a good one for reviews on hardware performance and overclocking for gaming.
Re:HardOCP (Score:4, Informative)
In the past, I have relied quite heavily on reading through their forums site, hardforums.com.
ArsTechnica (Score:4, Interesting)
Ars for computers, GSM Arena for phones.
Re:ArsTechnica (Score:5, Interesting)
This. I usually check Tom's Hardware, too, but keep in mind they mostly care about gaming. Also, Phoronix is the only site AFAIK that does Linux HW reviews.
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XDA-Developers for phones. Find out if the developers are creaming their jeans or shitting themselves, because that determines what the aftersupport will be like after your manufacturer stops updating the device in a year to focus on their new devices.
My top sites (Score:5, Informative)
Anandtech.com
smallnetbuilder.com
And every now and then one of the others, but those are my three go-to sites.
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Re:My top sites (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, right, it only posts news that matters.
I haven't seen that motto lately . . .
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While I trust a few sites for the most part, after working at a dotcom and seeing the bosses pay for reviews as well as work at a review site getting paid for such reviews, I take them all with a bit of hesitation. There is a LOT of money and free product f
Re:My top sites (Score:4, Insightful)
Tomshardware.com
Problem with Tom's hardware is they pull from the Usenet, a trick to make
one think a server is used more extensively than it really is. They have made a name for themselves now
but still pulling from the Usenet. They also pay to be on top of the front page results.
I can't remember the number of times I've searched for something only to find I'd written it years earlier;
for the newsgroup 24hoursupport.helpdesk, Yet it's accredited to Tom's Hardware. Where you went to
read it, If a member replied to such a post it would go unanswered, and none to a very few have a clue of what's going on.
Hundreds of forum topics yet maybe a hand full not gleaned from the UseNet and actually from Tom's hardware's registered members, of which I'm not one
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For laptops, I would add NotebookCheck [notebookcheck.net]. It's an English translation of a German site, but their reviews are incredibly consistent and thorough. They even tell you how hard it is to take apart if you want to replace/fix some of the components.
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Tom's has been full of shit of years, obsessed with useless benchmarks. Ars has an Apple fetish but can sometimes be good.
You can't rely on a few sites. You have to read a selection, and equally as important do some googling and read forum posts from owners. If you are interested in phones or tablets xdadevelopers is always worth a look.
Re:My top sites (Score:4, Interesting)
I like these sites too, and I'd like to give a special shout-out to Toms and Anandtech for their investigative approach. Anandtech was first to provide the reason the signal attenuation issue for the "you're holding it wrong" iPhone and I beleive Toms was the first to break the 'microstutter' issue on AMDs previous generation of graphics cards (correct me if I'm wrong on either of these). I think one of these sites was the first to address monitor input lag as well, and Anandtech addressing the recent benchmark cheaters.
They both have their black marks though. Anandtech used to be very hardware focused for the open builder, but now spend a lot more focus on mobile and especially Apple, so you can't use them as a go-to source for a total comparison of top performing products since they don't review enough competitors. Toms had some kind of bias scandal I think, but I still find them to be a good source of gaming information and their charts and 'of the month' are great tools to get the best bang for your buck when shopping for a new system.
Not that useful- no Linux/dev workload benchmarks (Score:2)
Or if not, I wish more sites would benchmark workloads that are more than some synthetics, office/browser use, transcoding and games.
What about the things software developers have to deal with day-to-day? Application/web server performance? IDE performance? Compiler performance? Database performance? LibreOffice performance? Interpreter/VM performance for different languages? Latency/performance of variuous desktop environments, GNOM
[H]ardOCP.COM (Score:2)
I find Toms not all that useful, usually not as technical, and sometimes dubiously biased. Never visited smallnetbuilder. There used to be a ton of reputable sites, however I see less now. I admit I will use Ted's charts however as they are easy and quick way to look at a more comprehensive list of components. I look at it as more of a general rule as opposed to specific testing.
I would second Anandtech. They have stood the test of time. Whenever I see an article from them I give it added weight.
I would add
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These sites were great 5 years ago...
Honestly... (Score:5, Insightful)
All blathering aside, if you aren't trying to ride the bleeding edge, the stakes are lower and the odds of, at very least, ending up with 'good enough, and crazy cheap' are good.
It's the early adopters who really face a difficult problem, when the goods are at their least mature and most expensive, and the flacks outnumber and control the actual buyers and actual reviewers to the greatest extent. Simply practice a little patience and you can easily avoid the greatest trouble. Leading the bleeding-edge by the nose, by controlling who gets per-release and super-early gear just isn't that difficult, and even if the reviews are real, they reflect mostly early-adopter fanboy optimists. Just sit back, fuck around with whatever tech you already have (take comfort, for it is no doubt greater than that which inaugurated the internet) and wait a month or two. Lower prices, greater clarity, and general sanity await you.
Forget reviews... (Score:1)
Buy it all, figure out what works, return what sucks... that's what return policies are for (and incidentally is what happened to the last Belkin product I purchased, and why I'll never purchase another one).
That, or if you're buying for a business just remember: No one ever got fired for buying IBM, F5 or Cisco. Or HP for servers. ProLiants really do kick ass, although I hear Dells tend to use a little less power for equivalent performance... probably because they skimped on the redundant fans or some ot
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Buy it all, figure out what works, return what sucks...
Yep. Supplementary, before the above, one can still google on the line of:
product_name problem or product_name fails functionality
Substitute product_name and potentialy refine problem/functionality to something that make sense for the product/model and you wouldn't like to happen to you after you buy it.
Something like: https://www.google.com/search?q=belkin+N150+lost+connection [google.com] or https://www.google.com/search?q=belkin+N150+overheat [google.com].
Anandtech (Score:2)
Reviews so in depth your mind explodes!
Ok, so maybe not explodes, but certainly well informed. They go into more detail about electronics than any other review site I have come across. Their reviews are generally as un-biased as they come too.
Slashdot. Seriously (and how about Apps too?) (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, my pet peeve isn't with hardware reviews, but with the various App stores. I've pretty much given up trying to judge any app on Google's Play site based on reviews. As often as not they seem to fall into two categories: "Wow! Cool App! Best App Ever!" or "Crap App wouldn't work on my phone."
The former reached a new pinnacle of uselessness when one guy posted "It hasn't finished downloading to my phone yet, but I'm sure this is the coolest thing ever!."
Yeah, most apps only cost a few bucks, but I'd still like to know if the damned things will actually work, without crashing, before I bother downloading it.
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Play now has a useful feature where it filters reviews from people who have the same devices as you, so if there is a device specific issue you will at least know about it. Those are rare these days but even so it can be worth a quick glance at the top three reviews.
Filter the fakes (Score:1)
It's a learned skill... (Score:2)
You can use the reviews on every major site if you know how to read them. It's actually fairly simple; the best reviews are meaningless. Aside from the obvious shill risk, they also don't usually tell you much.
No, the best reviews are the lowest reviews, possibly the "middle of the road" reviews too. Read those. Those often will have real data that you can use ( failed after a week, has annoying click, doesn't work with x, ect.. ).
There's a bit more to it than that, but that should get you rolling. As
ITReviews4U.com (Score:2)
Laptop Reviews (Score:2, Interesting)
I like notebookcheck.net for laptop reviews.
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Toms Hardware back in the day.... (Score:2)
Ask the Internet? You've already lost. (Score:3)
If you consider your stuff "IT Equipment" then the last group you want suggestions from is the million monkeys that make up the Internet.
Network Computing... (Score:2)
I'm a network architect so I tend to check out more enterprise related sites such as Network Computing, Network World, and Infoworld. That being said, most vendors are willing to send you a demo unit to play with and most software vendors have VM copies of their demo software. Also, don't underestimate the advice of other professionals in your field. If you don't have any contacts, there are usually local professional groups that you can join.
GIYF (Score:2)
Generally I just post a search for the item name and the string "problem with" and scan the list for clangers. Not so much a way to find, but a way to avoid.
lose lips (Score:1)
"Hey guys, where should I be spending my marketing resource dollars?"
AnandTech.com, TomsHardware.com - Beware! (Score:5, Insightful)
Be aware of even reputable web sites for hardware reviews because they'll keep recommending the newest and fastest hardware since speed is easily quantifiable and testable but will completely ignore the difficult to quantify things like reliability, customer support, warranty service, etc.
One example that's relevant to recent Slashdot stories is how all the top review web sites raved about OCZ for years and the speed and low price and only paid a little attention to the huge failure rates, terrible customer service, and overall dissatisfaction of the users of the products.
How many years of reading about amazing OCZ Vertex 1, 2, 3, 4 reviews and high recommendations and now we see that OCZ is nearly bankrupt due to the crap they were selling and the review sites were helping them all along just to be on their preferred reviewer lists so that they could get pre-release hardware to test with buggy firmware and crappy chips.
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abloobloo
I'm pretty damn satisfied with my purchase.
I never had a single IBM DeathStar fail.
This does not make me a wizard, nor does it mean that the drives in general weren't complete piles of fail-prone shit. Just like your OCZ.
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I also had no problem with IBM DeathStars. I had two of them that worked for 6-7 years until I retired them for being too small and parallel ATA. One of my roommates in school, however, had 4 of the things go in the course of 3 months. It was particularly bad because two were in a RAID 1, one was his backup drive, and the last one was a cold spare. I think the only reason he didn't lose his data was because he also burned everything important to CD, but he did lose some trivial data (Diablo 2 and Morrow
buyer beware (Score:4, Insightful)
You can't even be sure reputable sites won't be gamed, and fall for it. And not just astroturfing either. Been a while since I've seen the old switcheroo, but that's still done. Manufacturers aren't above lying on occasion.
You think you're getting a great product, but what you didn't know was that the manufacturer totally revised it and cheapened quality everywhere. I'm thinking especially of the venerable Linksys WRT54G wireless router. Revision 4 was a great router with a great reputation. When I bought one, unknown to me was that Linksys had just rolled out revision 5 with totally changed insides. They replaced Linux with VXWorks, and cut the RAM in half. It was total crap, and it was so different it should have been given a different model number. As it was, you couldn't tell which revision was in the box until you'd opened it. After struggling with it for a day, I took it back, it was that bad. Couldn't even reliably ping through it. Later, Linksys put the good one back on the shelves under a slightly different model number, the WRT54GL.
There was also a stunt TEAC (think it was them) once pulled with a CD burner. The version they sent out for review was not the version that got put on the shelves, though it had the same model number and specs. They deliberately deceived the reviewers, and gave them a much higher quality version than consumers got. Not surprisingly, it received rave reviews. But it wasn't long before the deception was uncovered.
Whole classes of hardware are pretty junky. For instance, many consumer grade routers fail early because they are so marginally designed they easily overheat and burn out. DVD burners are another troublesome piece of hardware. On both of those on several occasions, I've had to try several brands and models before I found one that would just work adequately. Ink jet printers are of course infamous for being not only high maintenance and expensive to operate, but programmed to give the users FUD as if they weren't troublesome enough without that. There have been many low end economy hardware ideas that were just too cheap, not worth taking home. Pretty much any Intel CPU designated as SX had such reduced performance that they weren't worth the savings over the DX version. Integrated graphics that co-opt some of the main memory became quite notorious for awful performance. Recently, Intel has finally made some decent integrated graphics chipsets, but they have 10 plus years of bad reputation to overcome. Then there was the junk known as the Winmodem.
Even if all that's avoided, can still be caught by systemic defects. Remember the Capacitor Plague? Many devices made in the early 2000s-- motherboards, graphic cards, monitors, even power supplies-- were built with flawed capacitors that failed in under 5 years. Manufacturers were saved from big trouble on that front by the typical rapid obsolescence of technology, though they didn't escape entirely. The poor review site simply has no means of catching a problem like that.
As a rule, mechanical devices simply aren't going to be as reliable no matter what's done to improve their quality. Even when manufacturers aren't trying to pull something, mechanical will never be as good as solid state.
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How many years of reading about amazing OCZ Vertex 1, 2, 3, 4 reviews and high recommendations and now we see that OCZ is nearly bankrupt due to the crap they were selling and the review sites were helping them all along just to be on their preferred reviewer lists so that they could get pre-release hardware to test with buggy firmware and crappy chips.
The nice thing about OCZ is that there was plenty of opportunity to know they were bad at making hardware before they even sold SSDs. I had one of their flash drives fail when I plugged it into my head unit, which provides plenty of power for a flash drive, and it erased itself. When I finally bought an SSD, I bought one from Intel. The next one will either be from them or Kingston, someone like that. Someone competent.
All the reviews that I read were pretty clear that the OCZ drives were flaky...
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Obviously anecdotes mean nothing, but I'm always puzzled by comments like this. I've got a several year old Vertex 2 that started as my win7 OS drive and is now doing duty as a Plex Media Server app drive. I also have a Vertex 3 as my win7 OS drive. Finally I have another Vertex 2 in my laptop, though I admit right now it gets very little use. Both have been operating with no trouble to include a number of trouble free firmware updates.
Yes OCZ does seem to have a higher rate of failure than most other SSD'
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Re: AnandTech.com, TomsHardware.com - Beware! (Score:2)
Multiple reviewers, including myself, took note of problems with OCZ hardware when we covered the company. Tech Reports review of the vector 150 explicitly called out these problems,.
The Tech Report (Score:1)
techreport.com is probably my #1 review site. They don't have a huge volume of reviews compared to some of the bigger sites like Tom's but I find them to be much more thorough and unbiased.
As a hardware reviewer: (Score:5, Informative)
Full disclosure up front: I currently write for ExtremeTech and Hot Hardware. In the past I've written for Ars Technica (2007 - 2009) and briefly Tech Report (2H 2005). Before that, I wrote for a now-defunct site going back to 2001.
Obviously I could be biased and plug the sites I write for. I write for them for a reason, after all. But since no one is going to buy me telling you to read my own work, here's where I go, personally:
For in-depth, excellent analysis (in alphabetical order)
Anandtech (Anandtech.com)
Ars Technica (Arstechnica.com)
Tech Report (techreport.com)
For ultra low-level analysis:
Real World Tech (www.realworldtech.com)
Agner Fog's CPU blog (www.agner.org)
Lost Circuits (www.lostcircuits.com)
All three of these resources update only occasionally. But the information is second to none.
For spot-checking or specific issues:
TechSpot.com does great CPU/GPU scaling articles. LaptopMag or NotebookCheck are great for their particular areas. CPU-World has good general database information, VR-Zone often has interesting scoops, as does wccftech -- if you're willing to filter out a lot of rumor / speculation from the latter. Tom's Hardware has useful dynamic databases for product performance. So does Anandtech.
Don't be afraid to read a review on a site you haven't heard of, or with a layout from 1999. While established names and high-quality writers tend to go together, they are neither exclusively matched nor guaranteed. A good reviewer will document issues, give a thorough discussion of the topic, and won't come off sounding like a marketing employee.
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Aditionally i would add to the first list (in alphabetical order):
ExtremeTech
Hot Hardware
Tom's Hardware
BTW Real World Tech is a wonderful resource. A pity that it is not updated more often.
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Ars is not the site it used to be.
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Ars covers a different spread of topics then it used to when I wrote there, that's true. But it's still an excellent site. The coverage mix has shifted, the quality of that mixture (in my personal opinion), has not.
Your tone implies you think differently, which is fine. It's still on my personal short list.
Easy (Score:2)
store.apple.com
None of them (Score:4, Insightful)
There really aren't any sites that do reviews of Enterprise class hardware. At best you'll find reviews of SMB hardware like what StorageReview does, but that's really about it. The other problem is the reliance on synthetic benchmarks. We've run into a few cases where hardware has performed as expected while doing test runs, but then found bugs and issues when put in a POC lab environment.
A Lot Of Places. (Score:2)
It depends on what I'm looking for. One excellent place is the support forum for your favorite Linux or BSD distro. I'll go to the OpenSuSE or CentOS forum, for example, and ask: "has anyone tried this with a Dell Poweredge?" I get some really good responses from people who use my software, on similar hardware.
I Google, too, but I did have to learn to recognized the obvious junk sites. Far more useful to me are the user reviews at the Websites that sell the equipment. It's really not that hard to sort out t
Depends (Score:2)
Kind of depends on the "hardware" we're talking about. For workstations and servers and I just order stuff from Dell without worrying about reviews. I know and trust their specs and support (business support is great). For individual components, like GPU's, I generally stick to tomshardware.com if for no other reason than they seem to be consistently thorough.
In fact, I'd say I almost never bother with reviews at all, for business stuff, because the ones that have reviews (laptops, desktops, etc) are fai
My goto bible (Score:2)
StorageReview (Score:5, Informative)
Go to the people (Score:1)
4chan /g/
Anyone recommend a good review site review site? (Score:2)
I guess there's some irony is wondering how many of the sites being recommended here are being posted by shills for those sites.
What you really want to know (Score:2)
Is there any problem with this brand/model of somestuff ?
This is much more important than any performance review.
Last time I bought a printer, I almost went for a 5 star review model and I changed my mind after looking for problem reports about this model.
I decided to buy an other brand, a model for which there was much fewer problems, yet a good amount of positive feedbacks.
Usually reviews are based on a few days test of new products, maybe sent by the maker itself. They don't report anything that happen
Techreport, Anandtech and once StorageReview (Score:3)
Methodology is all that matters, those 3 were the best I found by far. StorageReview is not really applicable anymore - my SSD reviews are at TR and AT now.
If I'm interested in a particular part I'll google a HEAP more places - but those are the definitive ones for me. Dislike HardOCP for their awful, terrible benchmark graphs they introduced 5 or so years back and the owner can be an ass to people too.
All depends on what you need (Score:2)
Taking lessons from Timmy (Score:2)
My to-go list (Score:1)
For PC components/misc: www.anandtech.com;
For tablets: all of above and also www.engadget.com, www.techcrunch.com, popular newspapers;
For laptops: www.notebookreview.com, www.notebookcheck.net for amazingly up2date CPU/GPU benchmark lists;
For professional software: anywhere but developer-affiliated websites
The end all solution (Score:2)
Three (Score:2)
Depends on component. (Score:2)
I have already commented on a bunch. However I would add this:
User reviews, obviously depend on the qualifications of the person making the comment. It also depends on the person reading it knowing enough to tell if the poster is full of BS or not. However you can get a general idea, and it will sometimes give you common known issues.
As for "general" sites:
Tomshardware: I have had mixed results from. Some of it seems like industry fluff, other times it is useful. About the only thing I use consistently ther
Innovation in benchmarking (Score:3, Insightful)
HardOCP had their custom heatsink with the thermo-probe for more reliable temperature measurement.
Techreport has been phenomenal over the years in this. They built a custom PSU tester to test the loads of any or all of the rails at once. Then they had their "inside the second" articles diving in to frame latency, which led to better Radeon drivers. More recently, and still running, is their SSD deep-cycle test, which is already showing blocks beginning to fail on SSDs.
The innovation factor and time taken to really dive in are things I don't see elsewhere.
CNET (Score:1)
OP Paraphrased... (Score:2)
no review sites, talk to real IT professionals (Score:1)
Re: Anywhere that slashdot doesn't participate (Score:1)
i would give you a thumbs up but i don't know how.
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That's what the ever useful share link is for. Click to post to facebook, then like you're own post. Every comment is obviously worthy of sharing with all of your non technical friends on facebook, so you should just whip up a greasemonkey script to share everything to facebook, so everyone there can enjoy the informative and delightful intercourse.