Microsoft's New Smart Bra Could Stop You From Over Eating 299
walterbyrd writes "A team of engineers at Microsoft Research have developed a high-tech bra that's intended to monitor women's stress levels and dissuade them from emotional over-eating. The undergarment has sensors that track the user's heart rate, respiration, skin conductance and movement — all of which can indicate the type of stressful emotions that lead to over-eating, according to Microsoft researchers. The data is sent to a smartphone app, which then alerts users about their mood."
shut up you stupid app (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm hungry!
Re:shut up you stupid app (Score:5, Funny)
I'm hungry!
Hi, I'm your bra assistant. It looks like you are hungry. Would you like some diet advice?
(o) Yes (o) no.
At least that'd explain Clippy's pervert-on-the-playground look...
Re:shut up you stupid app (Score:4, Funny)
Dude... I'm dying over here.
That would be the perfect user interface design for such a device. Nipple.Navigation(tm)
Re:shut up you stupid app (Score:5, Funny)
Gives a whole new meaning to TouchPoint.
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Re:shut up you stupid app (Score:5, Funny)
Nipple.Navigation(tm)
I can imagine the headline now:
"Apple sues Microsoft over smart bra. Claims rounded bra corners and white color violate design patents."
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Squeeze left for yes, right to cancel.
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Manzier!
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Over the shoulder bro-ulder holder!
The blue tits of death. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:The blue tits of death. (Score:5, Funny)
Never thought Microsoft Support would be uplifting.
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Re:The blue tits of death. (Score:5, Funny)
Never thought Microsoft Support would be uplifting.
Depends if you're wireless or not.
Not only that (Score:3)
Might not be a bad thing if you're Mrs. Ballmer, but, otherwise. . .
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. . .we're talking Ballmer's hands on your flesh, by proxy.
Might not be a bad thing if you're Mrs. Ballmer, but, otherwise. . .
Why do you think Mrs.Balmer would like her husbands hands (by proxy) on the flesh of other women?
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means they're not on hers.
Re:The blue tits of death. (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe it's just easiest to detect emotional distress in women's breasts? Maybe it's harder to find a place on a male body that gives the same feedback that is already in contact with a piece of clothing? This might just be the low-hanging fruit.
Yes. I typed that.
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I also think you need to accept that women are biologically different than men. It is a fact, not sexism. We produce and secrete different hormones in different places in different situations. Men tend to be stronger beca
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We produce and secrete different hormones in different places in different situations. Men tend to be stronger because they can grow muscles due to testosterone production. Women tend to grow breasts due to estrogen production. That is just how it is.
...and then there are the shot put and hammer throw athletes of indeterminate gender, predominantly (but not exclusively) hailing from so the called communist countries and competing in women's series.
Re:The blue tits of death. (Score:4, Insightful)
How expensive is this "bra"? How many can you buy without ruining yourself? Do they wash well? Are there different shapes? Can you change the strap configuration? How about matching panties?
I am just a guy and have come up with a bunch of problems without actually touching the issue of sexism. I sort of see the appeal of integrating something into every day use, but it starts to get difficult with items that you change regularly and have a reasonable large amount of.
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It's biomechanics, not sexism. If you accept that women wear bras, it's in a perfect position to take an EKG reading. Men don't ordinarily wear a form-fitting piece of clothing in the same place.
If you want the same benefits for a man's physiology, think about the many chest-strap heart-rate monitors in the marketplace today. Can they comfortably carry the same amount of electronics and batteries? No. So in your world where this is "sexist", does that mean women should be denied this tool because it isn't e
Re:The blue tits of death. (Score:5, Informative)
Polar actually sells a sports bra version of their heart rate monitor strap. It's a brilliant idea, because wearing the strap under a sports bra isn't really all that pleasant. Lots of us do it, but it sort of sucks. You still have to attach the actual monitor with the transmitter and battery to the bra, but the electrodes and wiring are built in.
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Sigh.
On behalf of men everywhere, I'd just like to point out that not everyone is as inappropriately horny or stupid as this guy. Or at least, if we are, we try to keep quiet about it.
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Apple did pretty well with the Macbook.
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Do manboobs require a different kind of bra, or what prevents men from wearing these too? I mean, just because there are more braless men than women does not make this sexist. Are you discriminating against men who wear bras?
Re:The blue tits of death. (Score:5, Funny)
This works for men. The fact that you have to wear a bra causes enough shame that you stop eating.
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Don't men suffer from overeating as well?
Yes we do, the difference is we don't feel guilty about it. The bra is "working" on the same (unreliable) principle that a lie detector uses, if there is no stress from guilt/fear/whatever then the bra won't detect anything.The idea that someone needs an app to tell them "what mood their in" strikes me as more having a lot more comedic potential than commercial potential, although it maybe a big hit with the Japanese sub-culture that sees impractical inventions as some kind of performance art.
Shock Jock (Score:3, Funny)
Rumor has it they are coming out with the Shock Jock, to zap your nuts if you eat too much. Either that, it makes you use Windows Ate.
They really know the geek market (Score:5, Funny)
Many of us guys that visit Slashdot could use a bra. Too bad it doesn't run Linux.
Re:They really know the geek market (Score:4, Funny)
stuff a raspberry pi into it
Re:They really know the geek market (Score:4, Funny)
stuff a raspberry pi into it
Stuffing pie is what it is trying to prevent. That would be self-negating.
Re:They really know the geek market (Score:4, Funny)
My problem is that using Windows 8 tends to bunch up my panties.
Seinfeld: The Bro, aka the Manssiere (Score:3)
Frank: "You want me to wear a bra?" Kramer: "No. A bra is for ladies. Meet...the Bro [wikia.com]." Maybe Bill Gates can get licensing rights for Microsoft from his pal Jerry Seinfeld [youtube.com]. :-)
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Yep, well, if you're a guy wearing a bra then you know you already need to stop eating.
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Yep, well, if you're a guy wearing a bra then you know you already need to stop eating.
Operant conditioning..... if you eat anyways... embarrasing pictures of you will be posted as Tweets and Facebook status updates.
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Yep, well, if you're a guy wearing a bra then you know you already need to stop eating.
People who stop eating will spend the last few weeks of their life cranky, miserable and with a headache. Generally not recommended.
Microsoft enters the lucrative fat shaming market (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm actually pretty amused by the sensor rigged bra - heck, I wear a bra to run in anyway, way better than a separate heart rate monitor. Though no proprietary MS crap for me ;-) (Can't imagine they provide decent support, y'know?)
But it seems horribly tone deaf to decide to put their sensors in a bra, and then make the whole thing be about dieting. Please folks, try not to be assholes.
They're not being assholes! (Score:5, Insightful)
Damn it to hell.
Fat shreds memory and cognitive function, in often imperceptible ways but the effects do build over time. It increases an individual's chances of acquiring diabetes, heart disease and a number of other maladies. It is responsible for increased fatigue and reduces the efficacy of the immune system. People suffering from obesity, and that term applies much sooner than most would like it to, tend to be less productive, cost their family and employers more, and die sooner.
No, it is not appropriate to attempt shame someone over it. No, it is not justifiable to treat the individual as less than any other. This I am most decidedly against. However, fat is not something to be "accepted" as if it were a lifestyle choice; even if the war is never won, the individual should always fight. Regardless of the origin, be it stress, overeating, hormone imbalance, etc. Fat is something to fight. It is a medical condition and infinitely treatable.
It's one thing when a man, or woman, is bound to a wheelchair for life due to a condition one cannot correct from birth or from an injury or from disease. It would be quite another if that man, or woman, is bound to a wheelchair because they refused to do the physical therapy. I mean, we would all give the person their space after whatever event brought them to that point. We would all give them time. But at some point, you would lose respect for them, wouldn't you? Their apathy would be off-putting. Now imagine they wanted you to "just accept it".
The individual who is fighting deserves all the respect the individual who has won should receive. I would never grant the individual who refuses to fight that and nor should you. As for the fight, this bra is simply a tool to aid, in however limited way it may, that battle. It is not fat shaming. They're trying to help; they're not being assholes.
I say this as someone who has spent a lifetime fighting, and my war rages on.
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"Fat is something to fight. "
Re:They're not being assholes! (Score:5, Insightful)
The being assholes bit is presenting this in a way exclusively aimed at women when women already face a great deal more scrutiny over their physical appearances (and much higher rates of eating disorders and the like). The sensor suite isn't the problem. I can even see the bra-mount as being useful, because hey, men aren't already wearing a strap around their chests. (And as I said, it has struck me as kind of annoying that a heart rate monitor is an additional strap around my chest when I am already wearing at least one.)
But the presentation is hugely tone deaf, in that it plays into existing stereotypes in harmful ways. You remember being told that computers could be for women too - hey, I bet you could keep recipes on one, right? (Or perhaps that was before your time.) If you're going to make a product aimed at helping people not stress eat, for heaven's sake don't make it only for women. Especially considering all the pressure for women to stay thin specifically so they look good for men (as opposed to for reasons of health.) It might be assholery through cluelessness, but it's still assholery.
Re:They're not being assholes! (Score:4, Informative)
FTFA: "Czerwinski explained that her team tried to develop an underwear version for men, but it didn’t end up working because underwear is located too far away from the heart."
Thanks for reading, asshole.
No, you're tone deaf. (Score:3, Informative)
How the hell are you being tagged as insightful? You whine - and yes it is a whine - that they are being assholes because they dared to release a female-specific product to help women manage their weight when women face an image problem and yet, you so devalue why they did it.
Here's the tone: they are trying to help. Again: they are trying to help. The keyword here is help. Whether or not the product is gender specific is irrelevant. Whether or not there is an image problem out there or not is irrelevant. W
Re:No, you're tone deaf. (Score:4, Interesting)
Do you know what "tone deaf" means? It doesn't mean "wrong". It means that they didn't consider the cultural context around their actions. They unwittingly did something that many people would find offensive.
Here's the tone: they are trying to help.
Haha, sure they're trying to help ... their bottom line. Companies exist to make money. They're not doing this as a public service.
It is in their best interest not to offend their customers. It does not help anyone to shame people for being overweight. They would have been better off marketing it as a general fitness tool, rather than focusing on over-eating.
Can you understand that? No one is saying it shouldn't exist.
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I mentioned this in a comment above, but Polar makes a heart rate monitor sports bra. You still need the actual Polar monitor. Depending on what HRM you've got you may want to look into it.
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considering all the pressure for women to stay thin specifically so they look good for men
With all due respect, don't blame me for your problems. If you want to accomplish something useful, start ignoring the stereotypes.
Don't sit around bitching about how much time you spend trying to make yourself look good to men then complain when a company creates products to fulfill your obsession. Men aren't your problem, you are.
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"Fat shreds memory and cognitive function"
Can you cite a source for this?
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Ha. Ha. I'm serious though. I'm wondering if my obesity is really affecting my cognitive functions.
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http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v27/n2/abs/802225a.html [nature.com]
Oh shit.
Re:They're not being assholes! (Score:5, Informative)
I was a software engineer at Microsoft from 1995-2002. So while my comments are indeed biased (and really, the first four years were an awful lot of fun, even if I did have to work with windows, but it is not a work experience I would want to return to) they also reflect a fair bit of personal experience.
But more the point, the potential product, as presented, isn't useful to me. Might be to other people, can't speak for them. I find the idea of an instrumented bra interesting. (Or, rather, instruments that would attach to an existing bra. I'm picky about my bras, and they have to hold up to running and martial arts.) The app they're using it for? Not so much.
For me to be interested in it, I would want access to the raw data, and to be able to hack it. I don't pretend my case is likely to be that common. But without those features, meh. There are hackable heartrate monitors available, and that'll do more of what I care about.
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From this one would assume that if women are overeating because of stress, the some sort of stress sensing panties are in order. Stimulation can automatically be applied and relieve the stress.
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...because women would get hysterical...
I see what you did there.
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Damn corporations, pushing products and lifestyles that make people fat!
Damn corporations, pushing products and lifestyles that make people nonfat!
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Sports bra heart rate monitors are old hat, you can even get them on Amazon [amazon.com]. Comments show that they provide great support even for large chested ladies, and are thin enough your nipples still show through.
I'm not sure I would wear a bra that told me I was overeating. I am thinking that one would stay in the closet, especially when I felt most like overeating.
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To amplify the thought, they could have pitched it for fitness and activity monitoring, or to identify what times of day are causing stress without being particularly noticed.
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You aren't thinking the 'next step' in this.
Bra as a service
The best support you could hope for, exactly when you need it.
Of course, MS would need to really work on their support, the few times I have had to contact them for real tech issues, they have wanted to charge me before I could even leave a bug report.
What about the bro/manssiere version? (Score:5, Funny)
Steve Ballmer could model it.
Title Pedant (Score:3)
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It could stop you from over-eating. You might happen to choose not to wear one for various reasons, such as an A cup being too big and thereby making it uncomfortable.
However I don't see why the title is inaccurate just because you are not interested
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Well, nicotine patches can stop people from smoking . . . so maybe someone just needs to invent "food patches" . . . ? You know, just peel of the back paper, stick it on your shoulder, and the patch oozes some goo into you that makes you feel like you just gorged yourself on a deep-fried turkey. In bras, of course.
Maybe the hardware in the Microsoft bra gives you electric shocks that create the same gorged feeling?
Hmmm . . . do you really want to use the word "Micro" when talking about something for a
Re: Title Pedant (Score:2)
We had food patches, people stopped eating, among other things, so they banned them.
clippy returns as a qualified nutritionist (Score:2)
your is mood is a system error has occurred (Score:2)
place press your boobs to reboot.
Wrong fundamental assumption (Score:4, Informative)
The fundamental problem with this is that overeating doesn't cause obesity.
Some recent scientific results (*) have clarified obesity, and are completely at odds with every "common knowledge" explanation. The bad news is that we don't know what causes obesity and there's nothing anyone can do [currently] to combat it. The good news is that it's not related to a) what you eat(**) b) how much you eat, c) your willpower, d) genetics, or e) exercise.
Relax, it's not your fault.
In the current model the digestive system presents a river of nutrients, from which the body takes what it needs to maintain a specific weight.The body has a set-point in the manner of a thermometer for how much nutrition to take in, and something in the environment disturbs this set-point(***), resulting in obesity. There is strong statistical evidence that this is not related to the amount or type of food eaten(*) (within dietary reason) or the level of exercise. Over 700 possible factors have been suggested, including Bisphenol-A [wikipedia.org] in packaging, estrogenic compounds [wikipedia.org] in the environment, and water fluoridation [wikipedia.org].
Your diet worked for you, and that's great; however, it didn't fix your obesity(***): something you did along with the diet changed the environment and your body regained a normal set-point. For this reason, no diet is universal: it's happenstance.
Exercise isn't what fixed your obesity. Again, nothing related to nutrition (within obvious limits) or exercise is the cause of obesity. Something else is at play. Whether exercise is good for you is a different issue; it's just not the cause of your obesity.
Modeling your body as a thermodynamic system sounds logical and "makes sense", but without actually going into starvation it's not the correct description of the problem. You can burn many calories simply by sleeping with fewer covers (more than you can by exercising), but your body will simply take more from the stream. This won't affect your obesity.
* Modern-day laboratory animals are fat [aeon.co], despite having the same diet and exercise as lab animals raised in previous decades. Statistically, the trend is very strong.
** A nutritional balance is necessary (of course). Whether junk food is good for you is a separate issue; however, it's not the cause of your obesity.
*** The difference in caloric intake between normal and obese is about 30 calories/day (about 3 peanut M&Ms), which is roughly 1% of your daily nutritional needs. No diet has this level of resolution, no diet can be this accurate by measuring servings without taking into account the condition of the serving (ie - chicken fattier than average, veggies drier than average, &c.)
Re:Wrong fundamental assumption (Score:5, Informative)
Scientific paper referenced is here [nih.gov].
Along with a table [nih.gov] and chart [nih.gov] of the increases.
Re:Wrong fundamental assumption (Score:4, Insightful)
That paper does ***not*** show that "overeating doesn't cause obesity." What it shows is that there is other factors also causing obesity. The fact that obesity is correlated with many different factors is not novel, and that is all that that paper shows (i.e. that obesity can be correlated with factors that do not involved eating or exercise). You're gonna need a better source to show that overeating doesn't cause obesity, and a damned good one at that, considering the connection between obesity and overeating has been scientifically (and non-scientifically) established many, many times (it's a simple fact of biology, in fact).
Posted AC due to mod points.
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Every season, without fail, they achieve drastic weight loss based on those two factors alone...
And their subjects are in the same environment they were in when they got obese. Yes?
And every participant achieves drastic weight loss - no one finds the new regime ineffective, yes?
I should get all my scientific opinions from reality TV. It's so much easier than reading the literature...
Re:Wrong fundamental assumption (Score:4, Interesting)
Some recent scientific results (*) have clarified obesity, and are completely at odds with every "common knowledge" explanation. The bad news is that we don't know what causes obesity and there's nothing anyone can do [currently] to combat it. The good news is that it's not related to a) what you eat(**) b) how much you eat, c) your willpower, d) genetics, or e) exercise.
I have not done a scientific study, but I am pretty sure that if I eat three Denny's meals per day and do no exercise, I will become obese. I know some obese people, and I can verify that their caloric intake vs. mine (minus exercise) does not net out to 30 calories per day.
If that's not the case, please let me know... I am tired of cardio and would be interested in partaking in their forthcoming Hobbit-themed breakfasts if there's no relationship to weight gain. ;-)
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Re:Wrong fundamental assumption (Score:5, Interesting)
I have not done a scientific study, but I am pretty sure that if I eat three Denny's meals per day and do no exercise, I will become obese.
Well maybe you would, but are you saying that *anyone* would? The science (and many of our experiences) would indicate that the answer is "no".
I'll give my anecdotal evidence. When I was 16-20 years old, I would eat an astounding amount of food. I could eat anything. In one meal, I would eat a whole chicken, a side of fries, a big piece of cake for dessert, and drink 48 oz of soda while doing it. It makes me a little ill now just to think about it. And that would be after eating a Big Mac, large fries, and a milkshake for lunch. It didn't even seem like a lot to me then. And you know what? I was really skinny. 6'1" tall, and 140 lbs. I did no exercise.
Then at 20 years old, I put on 50 lbs in something like 8 months. I still wasn't fat, really. I just wasn't super-skinny anymore. And I hadn't changed my exercise or diet. Then I stayed at 190lbs for about 5 years. How much I ate seemed to have no effect on my weight. I could eat like I did when I as 18, and I stayed 190 lbs. I could spend a month eating half as much food, and I would stay 190 lbs. After those 5 years, though, not changing my exercise or diet, I started putting on weight and got up around 206, and I started feeling a little pudgy. I cut *way* back on my caloric intake-- like I ate half as much as I used to-- and I started exercising quite a lot, which brought me down to about 198-200lbs, which is where I am today.
Wanting to get back down to 190, I've tried starving myself and working out a lot. Eating much less and leaving myself hungry made me feel much worse on a daily basis, but I didn't lose any weight. Working out made me feel much better and look better, but again, I didn't lose weight. The only time I've dipped below 200 lbs was during a stint of unemployment for a few months, when I lost 5 lbs. I was eating more calories, not watching my diet at all, and not particularly exercising more. My theory is that it had something to do with the fact that I was relaxed and happy, instead of being miserable at work all the time.
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read the stuff again. overeating will lead to obesity in most cases, where there isn't some disease/condition preventing the fat accumulation, in which case the person isn't really overeating anyways.
But, you could think it from the other way - without overeating it's __impossible__ to become obese. . statistics back this up (counting out exotic diseases, elephantinism or whatever). besides, it's a proven method for losing weight: eat less, do more - or inversely a proven method for getting fat: eat more a
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A person eating a normal amount of healthy food should not grow to obese proportions 98% of the time.
Modern laboratory animals are obese, despite having the same diet and same exercise as ones grown in previous decades, per the study referenced above.
Is your world-view on obesity fixed, or can it be adjusted based on new information?
I'd be interested to hear how your world-view of obesity explains this facts. Can you enlighten us?
an app? (Score:2)
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Consumer society evolved over the last century or so to exploit the hell out of our brains, because it can evolve quicker than we can.
April Fools Day? (Score:2)
OK, they're off by a few months, but my first reaction to the headline was definitely "clearly, this is a joke...."
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The name of that product is ... (Score:3)
How this will end up (Score:5, Funny)
Apple will introduce an iBra that you can automatically unclip with an expensive iPhone app only.
Microsoft will then introduce a Windows Bra that is functional but unexciting, and be slightly irritating to operate.
An open source Linux powered bra will subsequently be developed, but it will take so long to fiddle with until you achieve the desired result that you end up forgetting what your goal was in the first place.
A window into your gut (Score:2)
In other news, Microsoft is marketing a line of edibles ("Blue Food") and an app that will tell you when to eat it.
UI? (Score:5, Funny)
So is this going to have a touch interface?
Moobies (Score:2)
"A team of engineers at Microsoft Research have developed a high-tech bra that's intended to monitor women's stress levels and dissuade them from emotional over-eating.
Actually, the team's original idea was to monitor the CEO's excitement levels and dissuade him from dancing..... so they created the "Bramer".
Then marketing got ahold of it.
Talk about NSA data gathering.... (Score:2)
Micro$oft finding new data to provide to the NSA. You know...I wonder if they're monitoring all that bluetooth enabled heart rate data out there?
Doesn't sound effective. (Score:2)
Incorporate a taser in the garment, then you've got something.
"My boyfriend broke up with me. By email. Hand me that carton of chunky monkey..." KZERRRRK
"Here's your ice cream. Um, are you ok? Why do you smell like burning latex?"
Cheaper alternative (Score:2)
This could be really cool... (Score:2)
They could merge this with positional data and advertising revenue, and give the user a pass on overeating when they're in the vicinity of a paid sponsor. "I can't eat right now, my app says I shouldn't... no wait, it says I can eat now. Hey, there's a McDonald's."
In time, we'll all just believe our smart phones. "I'm hungry now for... a charbroiled steak. Yeah, at that Black Angus over there. Right now. Um, wait, aren't I a vegetarian?"
Why couldn't they make it a smart shirt? (Score:2)
Seriously..... then it wouldn't be restricted to women!
Why Microsoft is failing. (Score:4, Interesting)
They clearly haven't looked at this from the users perspective.
I don't want some device telling me I am emotional and stressed and shouldn't be eating. Fact is I would probably smash the device after a while.
Of course on top of that, it hurts my emotional and stress levels to be told that I am emotional and am stressed out.
The whole thing is one big fail.
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You know, when it goes outside of the established parameters it shocks the user...
I was thinking more along the lines of: "activates mag locks", sealing your refrigerators, freezers, pantry, and cupboard doors for a few hours, until you are in a better mood.
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if it offered tactile feedback instead of beaming data to a smart phone?
You know, when it goes outside of the established parameters it shocks the user...
Shocking will only worsen the stress... but, hang on... the idea is still salvageable.
I'd reckon a more pleasant type of stimulation would better help in releasing endorphins and combat the adrenaline excess induced by stress. This approach may come with the advantages of:
# being adaptable outside the "bra only" range;
# may induce other type of releases - which the body will consume energy to replace.
(granted, using shocks may still work for some parts of the population enjoying alt.sex...)
(ducks)
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It's better than Arch Bra, which is two metres of lycra spandex and a spool of cotton.
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* Adjusts bra strap*
*Audio message plays*
"You will need to reboob Windows Bra for the changes to take effect....Reboob now? Cancel?"
Women are not aware of their emotions? (Score:2)
Does any normal person need a device to tell them they are stressed and emotional?
I have a solution:
In your wallet or purse where you store your money... place a card saying "Are you eating out of stress? again?" maybe with a little photo of something motivational on it. Just in case you are not aware of your feelings at the time you are hungry.
Or instead of all that tech cost. pay somebody to explain how your anxiety makes you feel hungry.
Filter bubble (Score:2)
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ya need to move beyond it.
Maybe women don't like to work with ugly nerds, maybe they're not smart enough, or maybe they just don't like it. Stop blaming everything on us,
You are the problem.
So the question remains, what do you want to do to solve the problem. Technical people like to solve problems, why can't they seem to solve this one?
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When having an argument, getting your phone to interrupt you sounds like a great idea! Would save many a family from a divorce, I'm sure, at a small cost of a few smashed smartphones here and there.