Inside the Massive 2014 Winter Olympics WiFi Network 107
alphadogg writes "Engineers are putting the final touches on a network capable of handling up to 54Tbps of traffic when the Winter Olympics opens on Feb. 7 in the Russian city of Sochi. The two locations where the Olympics will take place — the Olympic village in Sochi and a tight cluster of Alpine venues in the nearby Krasnaya Polyana Mountains — are completely new construction, so this project represents a greenfield environment for Avaya, the company heading up the project. In addition to investing in a telecom infrastructure, Russia is spending billions of dollars to upgrade Sochi's electric power grid, its transportation system and even its sewage treatment facilities."
Complete article on one ad-free page (Score:5, Informative)
They are claiming it will handle 54 Tbps of network traffic ... up from the Vancouver games four years ago that was only 4 Tbps. One interesting tidbit is the ratio of wired to wireless traffic was 4-to-1 back then ... they expect that ratio to be reversed this time ... with 2,000 802.11n access points!
That a bit more bandwidth than this Christmas website has ... HO-HO-HO! ;-) [komar.org]
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Yeah, this is as sickening as having a nerdgasm over the WiFI setup of a KKK conference.
The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (Score:4, Insightful)
As a lesbian (yes, some of us do browse Slashdot), I find the attitudes of the political correctness crowd far more distasteful than the attitudes of the Russians in this matter.
It's very hypocritical for the politically correct crowd to clamor on about how bad discrimination is, but in doing so they end up discriminating against those who wish to hold viewpoints that may be considered controversial. The political correctness crowd's attempt to take a stance against discrimination is inherently discriminatory in and of itself.
Collectively, we can't move forward if we grant a monopoly on "legitimate" discrimination to one particular group of people (the political correctness crowed, for example).
While the Russians may severely dislike homosexuality, to the point of criminalizing it, at least they're honest about it. They don't pretend to be against discrimination, while simultaneously engaging in it, like the political correctness crowed constantly does.
I find honest dislike or disapproval to be much less onerous and disgusting than the veiled, denied-but-omnipresent hatred that the political correctness crowd engages in.
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*yawn* Lame crypto-bigot bullshit is lame. Being against people being locked up in prison for being gay is not "political correctness". I lol'd at the "As a lesbian" line as if anyone believes that. That's as funny as the "I have black friends" preface to a racist rant.
Hyperbole (Score:2, Offtopic)
Hyperbole much?
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Fidel Castro was not content with imprisioning, he shot them. And saying that is not hyperbole, because it actually describes objectively what Fidel Castro did, without exageration.
The law (which I do not necessarily support) forbids people from spreading a specific kind of propagan
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While I'm in no way defending the russian approach, surely I cannot be the only one who, after reading this, thinks of all the stupid omnipresent parades, billboards, buses with posters, tv shots, etc... that rub gay behaviour in people's faces in UK. We need a "we don't care (but you are getting annoying), get used to it!" campaign.
Obligatory Simpsons s13e06, Gay pride parade scene:
Gay Men: We're here, we're queer, get used to it!
Lisa: You do this every year. We are used to it!
Gay Man: Spoilsport!!
I
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what kind of mentality is this? you hate assholes like me? do you know me or anything about me?
do you objectively not see anything wrong with this approach to people? i.e.: you're not for us, therefore you're against us and i hate your guts.
i have not, in my entire life, seen a christmas parade (probably an american thing) but if there ever was one, i'm sure it was just as inclusive a commercial event as any coca cola advert. on the other hand I have personally seen no fewer than 3 major gay protests/parade
Reading comprehension (Score:2)
Correct, because I do not have the details, and am too busy to spend time
studying a Russian law which I have no way to change.
Wrong. I am upset that people are using outrageous logical fallacies for
political reasons. Politics is already dominated by logical fallacies, it is
a huge problem. We don't need more of it.
Except that I didn't say tha
Reliable sources (Score:2)
Do you have reliable, impartial, non-activist sources on your claims?
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Sorry, but the excuse that it's "not because they're gay but because they're speading gay propaganda" line is simply bullshit.
The law (which I do not necessarily support) forbids people from spreading a specific kind of propaganda to minors.
It's not a specific kind of propaganda. Any expression of a 'non-traditional sexuality", like holding hands in public, is considered "propaganda to minors".
Any kind of parade or demonstration has been outlawed.
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Collectively, we can't move forward if we grant a monopoly on "legitimate" discrimination to one particular group of people (the political correctness crowed, for example).
You gave yourself away too easily. This just some rambling bigotry from some right-wing nutter. Being against institutionalized bigotry has nothing to do with this nonsense. No one believes this outside possibly a few fringe nutters and caricatures created by the very bigots themselves. Nothing is more funny than listening to them trying to paint themselves as the victims of "PC".
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While the Russians may severely dislike homosexuality, to the point of criminalizing it, at least they're honest about it. They don't pretend to be against discrimination, while simultaneously engaging in it, like the political correctness crowed constantly does.
Two wrongs still don't make a right.
Also, there is no uniform "political correctness crowd", and you didn't provide a single example of its supposed discriminatory actions.
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As a lesbian (yes, some of us do browse Slashdot), I find the attitudes of the political correctness crowd far more distasteful than the attitudes of the Russians in this matter.
It's very hypocritical for the politically correct crowd to clamor on about how bad discrimination is, but in doing so they end up discriminating against those who wish to hold viewpoints that may be considered controversial. The political correctness crowd's attempt to take a stance against discrimination is inherently discriminatory in and of itself.
While the Russians may severely dislike homosexuality, to the point of criminalizing it, at least they're honest about it. They don't pretend to be against discrimination, while simultaneously engaging in it, like the political correctness crowed constantly does.
I find honest dislike or disapproval to be much less onerous and disgusting than the veiled, denied-but-omnipresent hatred that the political correctness crowd engages in.
Honesty about it does not make the stance even the slightest more acceptable. What makes it worse is that religion (which is abuse in itself) is abused to justify the stance. It simply makes it triple-wrong.
PS: Welcome to /. !!! - Everybody is welcome here, from boring nerds and geeks to retarded religious bigots too stupid to keep their mouth shut. Expect to have your opinions questioned and challenged.
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You would have more credibility if you were not an anonymous coward. I suspect a subtle troll. Homosexuals I have spoken to generally support things like the effort to make homophobia as unacceptable as racism or getting people to stop using "gay" tomean "bad".
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Granted I've administered wired Avaya gear in the past, mostly G3iV3, G3iV6 and G3iV11 voice pbxs.
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As Russian I must say: Yes. here is lot of antiquated attitude towards gay people. But you should understand:
Here are no laws against gay relations of adult people with consent. And it's good since their relations are their and only their affairs.
There are laws against popularization of gay relations with minors ONLY. And I believe it's good because Russian Gay-Pride parades participants are not gay at all, and their task is to undermine the traditional morale, and they are on payroll of somebody who pays f
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There are laws against popularization of gay relations with minors ONLY.
Ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority amount of child abusers are not gay?
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Correct. People who are sexually attracted to children are pedos, not gay.
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They are both actually. Both are directions of sexual interest. They are not exclusive. One can be attracted to certain sex and age group. For example a lot of older men are attracted to younger women, usually in their early twenties.
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Men in their fourties, fifties and sixties on the other hand are.
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Why should anyone have to like someone? Maybe gay people should quit demanding entitlements on others' opinions. Gay athletes, their sponsors, as well as anyone in the would-be audience are free to not attend the games because of the russian government's official position on gays. It boils down to which the athlete thinks is more important: his athletic career or his support of identity politics. That said, the russian government has claimed that the athletes will not be hassled. This is probably a reas
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It boils down to which the athlete thinks is more important: his athletic career or his support of identity politics.
Yes, you are right, it's just a politics. And gays are not SUBJECT, but INSTRUMENT of such politics. The question "Who's the SUBJECT?" remains open.
and the russians want the economic benefits that come with hosting.
Forget it. It's already named "Raspiliada", of "Raspil i otkat" meaning "Cut and kickback". It's an economical catastrophe for every Russian except receivers of cuts and kickbacks. Nomina sunt odiosa.
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Yup.. gays are being used to push a pro centralist governmental policy, and they're not the only group abused in this way.
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Basically that's what happens anywhere the games are held.. local businesses get trampled for the sake of the big sponsors with the 'official olympic' products.
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Why should anyone have to like someone? Maybe gay people should quit demanding entitlements on others' opinions.
Yeah, how dare they ask not to be thrown in jail simply because they're gay. What next? They think they're actually human beings?
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If that's what's happening, then yes, it's wrong.
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Send the network to prison for spreading the gay.
I'm sure a firewall could be arranged.
Yeah, but then they'll have to deal with the iconic Firewall Riot!
The downside is... (Score:4, Funny)
It will be totally pwned by Russian black-hat hackers.
They will have a feeding frenzy of personal details, photos and of course the credit card numbers of anyone who makes a purchase there.
In Soviet Russia credit comes to YOU!
In Soviet Russia, Youtube watches YOU! (Score:2)
You are right, it will be controlled by Russian government. But the gay propaganda is pretext only. The Government is to figure out who is either Wahhabi or Neo-Nazi. The modern trend is that Wahhabis will sit until end of Olympics, and Neo-Nazi (i.e. everybody who remembers that Russians are the people too) will be incarcerated up to 10 years. http://politzeki.tumblr.com/post/25945827552/i-will-destroy-you-or-what-happens-if-one-does-not [tumblr.com]
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Yeah, like telling a child "you're not abnormal" when he's around 13 or so, and has realized he isn't attracted to women. It's a church driven, lie based strawman used to hide the endemic corruption and nepotism that keeps russia perennially out of first world status, despite having enormous human and natural resources.
It's probably due to Putin being gay.. as the majority of vehemently antigay people tend to be badly repressed.
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I expect Edward Snowden will do some consulting work and make it easy for us to get the data from the IOC officials and their sponsors (bribers).
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That should be modded insightful, not funny...
No public access? (Score:5, Interesting)
And secondly:
So it sounds like this network will be just to support the games themselves, not for the general public.
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The 1980 Winter Olympics were in Lake Placid, New York.
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I begin believing that our Russian authorities actively promote anti-gay feelings in order to provoke a boycott of this Raspiliada. Reasoning is simple: The less people visit it, the simpler will be to cover all the raspil-otkat (cut and kickback).
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They laid down a lot of fiber for Lake Placid. I haven't been back to Lake Placid since, I wonder if they have unusually good connectivity as a result of that investment?
I saw that too, wonder if it will all be cellular (Score:2)
Or maybe they have a separate network provider (perhaps a local company) for the spectators.
54Tbps? (Score:2)
Not even 802.11ac.
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I noticed that, too. Assuming both 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz radios at 450mbit each, you have 900 mbit per AP, X 2000, so 1.8 Tbit.
That, however, won't be the bottleneck. TFA says all of this has to go through redundant 10Gbit Internet connections. Maybe that means 20Gbit, and maybe a lot of the content will be local.
My bet, though, is that the bottleneck will be the Internet pipe if any slowness is detected. Depending on how many people live-stream video or have their devices set to auto-upload pictures and video t
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I noticed that, too. Assuming both 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz radios at 450mbit each, you have 900 mbit per AP, X 2000, so 1.8 Tbit.
Have you assumed that radio waves are not TRANSVERSAL? Your 450 mbit are marketing and PR feces bovi. The nominal speed of 802.11n in 20 MHz band is 75 mbit/s. It's doubled when you use 40 MHz band and doubled once more when you use MIMO 2x2. But there are only 2 orthogonal polarizations, say, vertical and horizontal, so MIMO 3x3 will not give you anything valuable, except, may be, ability to use vertical polarization omni and 2 separate horizontals for all sides.
Then, remember that a normal cellular GSM st
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So, we agree that their 54Tbps number is total bullshit. :)
I was giving the marketing BS just to be generous. Of course, you will never really see 900mbit on every AP, or even a single AP, for all the reasons you mention and because they will never have a perfect 50/50 split of clients that are all evenly spread out among all of the access points.
I'm on your side. They claim 54Tbps, I say that 1.8Tbps is the *theoretical* max, and the practical Internet limit is 20Gbps, and now your talking about the real-w
What's the aggregate connectivity out of Russia? (Score:2)
While I'd assume some of the connectivity is contained within the site and some within Russia itself, these are international games and you'd presume a large chunk of the traffic is destined for destinations outside of Russia.
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Citation needed.
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Lots, and lots, of spying. Russia is masturbating over the opportunity to offer free WiFi.
Would it be any more difficult to spy with hardwired connections?
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According to Russian sources, now the stores of 2012-2013 years winter snow are being unpacked and laid down for Olympics.
It's funny since there are lots of Russian proverbs about last year's snow.
CATV HFC network works better for broadcast (Score:2)
CATV HFC network works better for broadcast and if they have it as clear QAM then you don't need set top boxes with most HD tv's.
Apparently their staff are expendable (Score:1)
“We have built the TOCs in separate locations to ensure redundancy in the case of a natural disaster or man-made incident,” says Frohwerk. “Should the Adler TOC go down, we would simply send the next shift to the Sochi TOC and carry on.”
So if a TOC is blown up, they'll just send the next shift to the other TOC and continue? Ummmm....
Remove the story (Score:2)
This story should be removed from slashdot. It is just some made up news to attract attention to the worst Olympic Winter Games ever. As they say in marketing "any news is good news". Boycott the Mafia Olympics, they are just the propaganda games of a mafia state, build with the dirty money of oligarchs, to praise a dictator. Not to much different than the Nazi Olympics from 1936 when Hitler was parading his fascist state. Russian government not only discriminates against gays but also against ethnic min
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It's fun to watch all the russophobes crawl out of their holes for this.
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Russian government not only discriminates against gays but also against ethnic minorities, majority of the Sochi staff are Russians from Moscow or Sankt-Peterburg and non Russian local people from Sochi.
Russian government discriminates against ethnical MAJORITY - Russians. I don't care about Olympic staff. I care about lots of other places where inhabitants of Russian Caucasus, for instance, get 2 years of home arrest for murder while Russians get 10 years of Special Regime. I care about Stavropol territory where there is a second Kosovo, with Chechens (Remember Tsarnaev?) occupy traditionally Russian territories. I care about ethnical Chechen criminal organizations openly bearing arms in Moscow where Russ
Seriously? (Score:2)
alpine or Alpine? (Score:2)
tight cluster of Alpine venues in the nearby Krasnaya Polyana Mountains
I am sure this is a typo, but I thought it funny. According to dictionary.com, if the word Alpine has a capitol A, it means either 1)of, pertaining to, on, or part of the Alps or 2) of or pertaining to downhill skiing or a competitive downhill skiing event.
Down further in the page:
1. of or relating to the Alps or their inhabitants
2. geology
a. of or relating to an episode of mountain building in the Tertiary period during which the Alps were formed
As the article is
Shenanigans (Score:1)
There are some questions TFA doesn't answer.