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Official Wayland Support Postponed From GNOME 3.12 77

Posted by Soulskill from the wayland-waylaid dept.
An anonymous reader writes "GNOME 3.12 was going to have official Wayland support as one of its main features for the upcoming desktop release. The developers have now decided to delay the official Wayland support until at least GNOME 3.14 while the support found there will be shipped as a preview. Missing features like drag 'n' drop and clipboard support are still missing from GNOME's Wayland code, which made them decide another six months of development work is needed. Other GNOME 3.12 features are mentioned on the GNOME Wiki."
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Official Wayland Support Postponed From GNOME 3.12

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  • This is surprising (Score:3, Funny)

    by jandrese ( 485 ) <kensama@vt.edu> on Friday February 28, 2014 @01:13PM (#46369013) Homepage Journal
    Here I was thinking they were going to shove it in there all half baked and kind of broken like most of the other things Gnome 3 has replaced. I hope this isn't because Wayland is that bad, but rather because the Gnome team has learned some lessons about removing the stuff that works and putting in stuff that is not ready for prime time yet.

    • Re:This is surprising (Score:5, Funny)

      by MrEricSir ( 398214 ) on Friday February 28, 2014 @01:19PM (#46369099) Homepage

      I hope this isn't because Wayland is that bad, but rather because the Gnome team has learned some lessons about removing the stuff that works and putting in stuff that is not ready for prime time yet.

      At the risk of stating the obvious, prepare to have your hopes crushed.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by joaommp ( 685612 )

      I don't believe that by adding Wayland support they were going to - at least immediately - remove X support... But I was rather anxious to see Wayland support in it and test it in our distro.

      On a different off-topic matter, it would be fun if they named it Wayland & Yutani, instead of Wayland & Weston.

  • Bad options for users (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28, 2014 @01:16PM (#46369053)

    I thought Gnome was going to remove support for drag-n-drop and clipboard anyway. Those things are options in all other OSes, right? And they are too complicated and nobody uses them, right?

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I heard Gnome was going to remove the panel, wallpapers, and pretty much everything. They are going to have just one extra large button in the middle of the desktop with the label "NO" on it.. Some Gnome developers think that is going to be too confusing for the users so they want to get rid of the button, too.

  • No matter, GNOME, no thank you (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fnj ( 64210 ) on Friday February 28, 2014 @01:34PM (#46369241)

    I don't care what happens with GNOME at this point. I will be using either KDE or Xfce. I have been GNOME free for long enough to know that I am not going back. I evaluated Xfce long enough to know that it is quite satisfactory, if not as perfect as GNOME2 was. Now I have been on KDE for five weeks. I have issues with the control over icon placement on desktop and taskbar, and the putrid weather applet - otherwise, absolutely no issues whatever.

    I'm afraid the MATE DE is not yet good enough to live with. I evaluated it; it is very promising; I support the effort, but it's no replacement for GNOME2 yet. I'm not sure anything will ever be, but that's life. No car is anywhere near as perfect as the glorious 1978-1982 Audi 5000 either, and nothing has come along to equal the late Icom IC-R75.

    • Re:No matter, GNOME, no thank you (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Daniel Hoffmann ( 2902427 ) on Friday February 28, 2014 @01:38PM (#46369297)

      You should give cinnamon a try, it is quite good.

      • I agree - give cinnamon a try

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by joaommp ( 685612 )

      I really don't get all this hate against Gnome 3. It's quite different, for sure and maybe it messes up someone's workflow, but at some point it will always be impossible to evolve without messing up at least some of the workflow and without making some people get used to different paradigms. I adapted quite well to Gnome 3 and am a happy Gnome 3 user. The new flow actually made me quite more productive.
      Not trying to impose anything on anyone, but most of what I've seen so far borders an exagerated misguide

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by SpzToid ( 869795 )

        I like it a lot too. On both my netbook, notebook, and large double-monitor rig. The first thing I do after I install Ubuntu is install Gnome 3. Also when I do this for other people I turn on to Ubuntu for the first time, it has been a hit with everyone so far.

        Your anecdote may vary from mine. But this is mine. I tried it compared to everything else and I like it.

      • but at some point it will always be impossible to evolve without messing up at least some of the workflow and without making some people get used to different paradigms

        Why is "evolving" necessary? Some of us want tools, not eye sores^w candy.

        There's no inherent advantage in having a desktop that looks like Windows, a Mac, or a cell phone.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AvitarX ( 172628 )

          Which I assume is why GNOME looks like none of those things.

          Isn't a default GNOME screen completely blank? that's not really eye candy at all.

          Note, I hate GNOME 3, and love a cluttered desktop, but a lot of people get annoyed by desktop clutter.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Kremmy ( 793693 )
        I'm pretty sure part of the problem is that some people honestly don't realize that Ubuntu's default interface isn't Gnome 3. I was pleasantly surprised at how slick and functional Gnome 3 actually was, but this Unity crap...
      • It's because some of them believe that a computer is an extension of themselves and so they like to make the computer work to their workflow or whatever. So, GNOME 3 doesn't really do that you have to adopt to the workflow that it is optimized for. If you of that mindset then, yes, indeed it will be hard to get used to GNOME 3. That doesn't make GNOME 3 bad or anything, but that's why you get these comments. But I would say that there should be one projects that breaks the status quo and lead with new i

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by bug1 ( 96678 )

        I really don't get all this hate against Gnome 3

        They designed it to compete with the upcoming windows 8, they didnt want to get left behind (true story).

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by fnj ( 64210 )

        Not quite sure what you're on about. I was pretty careful not to put any hate whatsoever into the comment. I'm past anything like that, personally. I didn't (and don't) even recommend that no one else use it, or touch on any pros and cons. All I said is I am done with it. It is irrelevant to me.

    • I ditched GNOME for MATE about two weeks ago. A few bugs (e.g., screensaver timer is off), but also fixes things that have been broken in GNOME for years (single left-click on window list to pop something up, vs. right click and pick a menu option).

      Restoring my customizations was surprisingly easy - easier than restoring them after the last few GNOME upgrades.

      No regrets whatsoever.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by ShawnX ( 260531 )
      Putrid weather applet? Whats wrong with it? I know there's bugsm (BBC broke but I have a patch coming to fix this)... but tell me what's wrong otherwise, after all *I* wrote it (not the QML frontend rewrite mind you) but the rest of it. I have plans to make further changes when I get some time.

      • Oh? I really want a patch to restore BBC, it gave really accurate weather for my area, and wetter.com not only was making up the weather prediction, it also gives multiple connection problems.
        Can I have that patch to apply it locally, or is it still a WIP?
        I love the weather app when it's not using wetter.com, it's been there in my system tray ever since it was possible to add it to the system tray. Can't wait to have it back with accurate predictions!

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by fnj ( 64210 )

        I think I can describe what was behind my rather rude description. The only reason I mentioned it is that there isn't that much to find fault with in KDE.

        I compare the applet to the GNOME2 weather applet, which to me is perfect.

        GNOME2: everything I care about is right there. Current temperature, wind speed and direction, dew point, whether it is fair or stormy. A nice succinct text forecast that includes expected snow accumulation if relevant. Weather radar. I think that's pretty much it; I haven't seen the

  • The real reason for the delay (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28, 2014 @01:36PM (#46369265)

    for i in /usr/bin /usr/sbin ; do
    "${i}" --version
    done

    systemd 208
    +PAM +LIBWRAP +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ ... ...

    and once it reaches wayland the output says

    wayland 1.10
    not yet depending on systemd

    The real reason!

  • Better title (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Wayland Waylaid by GNOME

  • Gnome 3.12 still supports Wayland, for any distro that wants to ship it that way. It's just that Wayland is not the default for Gnome 3.12. This probably speaks more to the distros ability to have Wayland working smoothly than Gnome 3.12 using Wayland.

  • Are you guys serious? Calling that a feature?
    It's a sine qua non (wiki there to help you) you fraudulent wannabees!

  • In other words... (Score:5, Funny)

    by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Friday February 28, 2014 @05:52PM (#46371521)

    Wayland waylaid; now way late.

  • I hope people stop harping on the GNOME team, at this point it should be clear to some end users that the gnome-shell interface has come together. 3.8 and 3.10 are beautiful once you install extensions the act of which could not be easier and browsing new extensions is kind of fun. The dev team has had terrible communication problems and I get pissed off when they remove stuff like transparency in gnome-terminal, but extensions often replace missing features (compiz wobble for example). Over time my Arch l

    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Fuck that!

      I was a GNOME user since before GTK+2 existed. I used GNOME2 for its entire life and it was exactly what I needed from a desktop environment.

      Then the GNOME team got hijacked by a bunch of UI people obsessed with bringing the tablet braindamage to the desktop. Epic fail. Guess what, some of use use their computers to do REAL WORK.

      I switched to a tiling window manager and haven't looked back. I suppose that I can thank the fecal encephalopathy of everyone on the GNOME3 team for helping me make t

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