VLC Finally Launches App For Windows 8 170
SmartAboutThings writes "After a long journey of more than one year, which included even a successfully ended Kickstarter campaign, the VLC app for Windows 8 is officially here. VLC for Windows 8 is currently in beta, and it lacks some important features, such as the ability to open music files or support for Windows RT devices. On the good side, VLC for Windows 8 supports the same codecs as the VLC application for desktop, from MPEG-1 to H.265, through WMV3 and VC-1; it also supports multiple-audio tracks selection, embedded subtitles, background audio playback, Live Tiles, removable storage and DLNA servers."
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Because apps and tiles are a vital part of their strategy. They are putting out these features everyone hates right now,because doing so establishes them as something in Microsoft's long-term interest. They've seen how profitable an app store can be, and how it can be used to promote other services like media sales. They want in on that game, and a consistant cross-platform interface may be a vital advantage in their desperate but unsuccessful struggle to become a serious player in the mobile space.
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No one said Microsoft actually knew how to gain market share. The old tools of threatening OEMs with a fate worse than death don't work any more, so Redmond is a bit of a fish out of water.
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It looks very much like that's what happened to ASUS yet again recently. Their "transformer" tablets now run that Win8 shit despite them (anecdotally) selling more slowly with that than the android ones did.
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Transformers are actually exactly the device category where Win8 makes sense - the original concept was severely hampered by the limitations of Android itself, and apps for it, running on a device with full-fledged keyboard and mouse/trackpad, whereas Win8 is designed for that as much as a touchscreen.
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While I agree with you in theory, this is not the case - mainly because Win8 "apps" suck. The only really usable app is (ironically) Internet Explorer... for non-work stuff (I use my Win8 tablet for things like note-taking with the digitizer and OneNote), I'd take Android any day. The apps are just better through and through :(
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That method still works. That's how they managed to get Secure Boot widely deployed practically overnight. They just had to decree that only computers with SB capability enabled may be sold with the cheap OEM edition of Windows, and OEMs start falling over each other in their rush to meet the demand.
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It might work for PCs, but as we can see, the whole thing has failed for RT. The market share is so infinitesimal that even giving it away with methods to say, install it on Nexus 7, probably are doomed to failure.
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but do you see MacOSX putting Tiles and Apps on their desktop devices?
That's because the marketing dept., hasn't figured out how to spin it as the next new hot thing. Like round corners.
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No tiles, yet, but the Mac App Store was introduced a few years ago.
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You're telling the truth with all seriousness and yet you are modded as Funny...
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Y'know, like those desktop sidebar widgets in Vista...oh wait, they killed those. I mean, like the new pseudo-Awesomebar hover functionality in 7 (I've forgotten what the hell marketing term they gave to it)...oh wait, they killed that, too (or at least superceded it from the sounds of things).
But I'm sure Windows 8 apps are going to stick around! It'll be different this time, we swear!
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Does anyone NOT using a touchscreen device use apps on windows 8?
Yes. It is pretty good on a home theatre PC. The start screen is infinitely better from the couch then the old start menu, and the apps (like netflix, and the video player are easier to operate as well - both to see the controls, and to operate)
I've been looking forward to VLC for a while. As the included video player app displays ads in some circumstances and I find it offensive.
I'd also really like a good free open source file browser app.
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A file browser likely can't be done, since apps are sandboxed.
Folder picker (Score:2)
A file browser likely can't be done, since apps are sandboxed.
The operating system itself has a FolderPicker [microsoft.com] that lets the user choose to add a particular path to the application's sandbox. If the user chooses to add an entire Videos folder, then the application can retain this entire folder as one of 1,000 items in the application's sandbox [microsoft.com].
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And you can "open" any folder on the system like that - including, say, C:\
PC does what Xbox don't (Score:2)
Using an entire computer for a media centre is sacrilege
Unless you want to play things that don't work on an Xbox One, such as audio and video in Free formats, audio and video in obscure formats, or indie games whose developer is still seeking a publisher on Xbox One.
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Get an internet TV
Yuck. Do not want. I do have one, but i refuse to connect it to the network.
Using an entire computer for a media centre is sacrileg
Did I say that's all I do with it? It acts as a fileserver for the house, and has steam on it, (big picture mode also works pretty well from the couch)
if you love the tiles and apps so much, get an xbox and use that,
What microsofts pay-to-use-internet ad-ridden version of not-really-windows? No thanks. I don't have or want an xbox.
XboxOne's kinect voice contr
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Finely, a reasonable criticism of Windows 8.
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Too bad that this one is actually made up (since control panel didn't change in any significant way since Win7).
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That's because it's a new option that was not available in Win7.
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Because the whole point of writing VLC for Windows 8 was so they could port libvlc to Windows 8, which means that it can potentially run on Windows Phone and Windows RT without modification. They haven't done a phone app yet, but this release can run on Windows RT as well.
Also, it's open source. So others can leverage the work they did for media playback on Windows Store apps.
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For the tablets (Score:2)
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Games mostly but the news reader is good too. Games are obvious because they should be full screen anyway. The metro mail app is also good. And I often have the twitter app snapped to one side while in desktop mode. And same goes for hulu.
So yeah, people do.
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I honestly tried. I even got an old touch screen as a second monitor so I could try to use the start menu on it. I always try to drink the latest cool-aid. But the OS was unusable, so over the course of a few weeks I changed it to boot to desktop, and re-associated all file extensions to the desktop apps, one by one. Ultimately, the problem is the Metro apps simply don't have the features that the desktop apps have.
What driver? (Score:2)
BlueSoleil is paywalled (Score:2)
I wish they chose a different name (Score:3)
Shows my age, but every time I see this acronym I see "VCL". [wikipedia.org] and not VLC.
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I tend to think Visual Component Library.
No V-Sync (Score:2)
Just like the Windows 7/Vista version, VLC will again prove itself the most useless media player available by still not having V-Sync.
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Nope. Can't say that I've ever encountered this on VLC on any platform.
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The point of vsync is to prevent tearing because rendering framerate does not match the monitor refresh rate. It doesn't matter how slow or fast something goes, it's the disparity that gives tearing, and makes vsync useful.
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Even if you went down to 1 fps, you could get tearing.
All you need is a situation where the GPU is sending the current frame to the monitor, but at the same time the framebuffer gets updated with new content from the video player application.
But the monitor always keeps a little break after drawing each frame. In other words, it waits a small time. When vsync is enabled, the framebuffer is quickly updated during this small break.
Often there is also doublebuffering (or even triplebuffering), which means that
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To add to your but, I give you:
But...
https://www.kickstarter.com/pr... [kickstarter.com]
I asked that question elsewhere, and the response I got was - after I explicitly said people shouldn't start talking about 'touch interface', considering you can slap a touch interface on a desktop app just fine and you would never be able to tell - 'touch interface'.
Aside from that,
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Porting to RT (ARM) is ongoing. The problem is that GCC doesn't know how to target Win32-THUMB2, and VLC doesn't compile under MSVC yet. They're looking at solving both of those problems, and will go with whichever one bears fruit sooner.
Personally, I hope for the former. GCC being able to target RT would allow us (the users of jailbroken RT devices, which are basically low-power Windows laptop/tablet things with great battery life but you have to re-compile native apps) to port a bunch more open-source sof
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The fact that someone actually went through the trouble to to produce this monstrosity is mind-boggling. But I guess it's their time and money so it's their decision.
Reason to use Metro (Score:2)
There's simply no reason to use Metro, period.
"Simply no reason" is strong words. On an x86-64 PC that comes with Windows 8 or 8.1, you need to use Metro to A. create or modify user accounts, or B. switch to the desktop to download and install Classic Shell. But that's about it.
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I suppose I actually do use it in a sense though - as that is where windows search has gone. But again I am hardly using that unusable excuse for an interface, it's just win-foobar on the keyboard and go.
I still find it funny that in 2014 Microsoft has now decided to sell an OS that is only usable from the keyboard, but it doesnt slow me down at all.
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I'm sure both of them would say, "Yes!"
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Wait, when did Windows RT's marketshare double?
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In the world of Metro, I can get the same app for $3.99
http://apps.microsoft.com/wind... [microsoft.com]
Says its free? Is there a plan to charge 3.99 at some point? I'm confused.
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Odd. It says "for the WinRT platform" but also says supported processors are "x86, x64".
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"WinRT" != "Windows RT". This is even discussed in the linked article (yeah, yeah).
Microsoft's branding people should be lined up along a wall, beaten with baseball bats, shot, and then pitched out a fifth-story window onto rusted spikes. OK, maybe that's excessive. There's no need to waste the bullets.
WinRT is an API set, intended for use with "Windows Store apps" (a.k.a. "Metro" or "Modern" apps). It is intended to be sandbox-friendly (for example, having functions to let the user pick a file via a truste
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Even if it were free, you'd still be required to get a Microsoft ID to download the free app.
I used to bitch about this, but now suddenly this is the case in OS X Mavericks also (the "optional" apple id is required to get the free xcode command line tools), so evil is everywhere. Up next I predict a Linux ID ("totally free, trust us, I don't know why you paranoid people aren't signing up with your personal information!").
Ubuntu Single Sign On (Score:2)
Up next I predict a Linux ID
You need to create a Canonical account [ubuntu.com] to use some of the optional online features of Ubuntu, such as Ubuntu One backup, paid applications in Ubuntu Software Center, and participation in Ubuntu Forums and Launchpad.
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Late to respond to this, because I face-palmed myself so hard I passed out.
Re:Costs money (Score:5, Informative)
??? VLC on win8 is free! At least, it was free when I downloaded it an hour ago.
There were a load of FALSE vlc apps on the store for $3.49 and $3.99, with similar branding, trying to scam money. Did you get suckered by one of these?
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... or we could discuss how you got tricked by an obvious scam.
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...or rather how Windows Store gave the greenlight to a scam app, and put it first on the list of apps above the real one.
Which is truly a serious problem.
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Right. Because the primary concern at Microsoft is that people get the legitimate software that they're looking for: http://i.imgur.com/ydSDGNR.png [imgur.com]
Depending on your monitor brightness/contrast and your attention to detail, well, you get the picture...
VLC is free on Metro. (Score:2)
On my Windows 8.1 desktop, I can get VLC for free
In the world of Metro, I can get the same app for $3.99
I went out and successfully installed the free VLC Modern app through the Windows store while trying to make sense of your post.
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Do RT users matter? Everything is going to mobile and tablets, so yea, it does matter if you're in the business/hobby of making apps for people to use.
I have an iPad, would swap it for a Windows tablet without a second thought. But I would like the assurance that I could play any format I wanted to, which I'd get from VLC. Historically, appliances and tablets (PS, Xbox, iPad, iPod) will either limit your format options, or not stay up to date on new ones. So having VLC there is great, I think.
3D support? (Score:2)
What about 3D screen support for VLC? I haven't been able to get that working. I am using Windows 8.1 and NVIDIA with a shutter style glasses and 120MHz screen.
back compatibility question. (Score:2)
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Is it possible to run windows 7 apps on windows 8 ?
Yes, so long as it's not ARM (and hence running Windows RT).
.Is there an easy means to click on a file and tell it to install it as if it was running on windows 7?
Yes, but only for desktop apps. It doesn't work for the new-style Store apps - the latter can only be installed from the Store (though there are some options for sideloading if you get a free-but-registration-required developer license).
. I installed a virtual machine in windows 7, only to find that my video card didn't have an XP driver other than the default windows one
This doesn't make sense. Your physical video card is not exposed directly to the VM, the VM gets some sort of emulated one, the performance of which depends on which VM software you are using.
I really like the people at Good Old Games that figured out a way to make a large selection games run on a modern
Most of GOG stuff is j
Re:great news. (Score:4, Funny)
Which alternative were you thinking of? (Score:2)
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Also Lenovo sell laptops with Win7 as the default choice pre-installed. Is that mainstream enough?
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Alternative? Putting Win7 (or linux) on decent hardware [...] Lenovo sell laptops with Win7 as the default choice pre-installed.
That's nice to know. But what major brand sells affordable X11/Linux laptops?
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It is part of the UI design concept: essentially they wanted to break away from trying to mimic the real world (see iBooks for example): which to an extent I agree with, adding a 1 s delay to try to pretend like you aren't on a computer is silly. But window boarder effects: I agree making them pretty doesn't hurt. They could have at least left a "Aero" mode in even if it wasn't the default.
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I just want interface hints. I don't use Windows 8 at work yet, but we do have Office 2013. I still have moments where I go "Hey, I can click on this!". I understand they were trying to de-clutter the interface because rows of buttons add a lot of visual garbage, but when your users can't tell the difference between your labels and your buttons something is wrong.
The advantage of a GUI is that it can communicate information visually, without needing to experiment with the mouse or keyboard. Oh, this is
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I agree with the hints bit. Not as good as some shading or whatever before you try to interact with a control but even if they just did some effect when you moused over things you can click on it would have been nice. It is completely touch on a small screen centric in the OS though. You can't (easily) "hover" with a finger. Your screen is small and/or low res so you can't waste space with silly things like controls: they need to fly in only when necessary. Etc. Yet another reason why there should have been
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I get sub 10 s boot time. When rebooting my monitor just recognizes no signal and then flickers when it refreshes I'm on the login screen. I don't even get to see the bios anymore because the monitor doesn't detect the computer before it is coming up on the login screen.
Win 8.1 is very usable. Stability: not so much in my experience but could be the apps I'm using. Firefox and Visual Studio generally crash once a day for me at work. That said as long as it recovers well from a crash I don't really care.
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Funny how Linux users and distros a few years back were hyped up about the push towards faster and faster boot times and made a habit of announcing improvements towards it. When someone makes a point of how the new Windows version is faster than the old... you call the a shill? Do you realize how pathetic you look?
Fucking Linux users, negative as always.
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Well, for one thing the Windows "fast startup" doesn't involve **actually shutting it down** (it's a "hybrid hibernate" sort of thing that involves a hibernation file, then restoring when you "start up"). I have a harder time believing that the Linux guys have been lying to us about startup.
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First time I tried to use Windows 8 neither me nor my boss could figure out how to shut it down. WinXP is still better than 8 IMHO.
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I'm making a note here. Huge Success!
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I thought it was "great success". Now I go have sexy time with my sister.
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The "Metro" version is also free. The non-free apps are scams.
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Huh, you're right, I just checked. I could have sworn I read how it cost (or would cost, once out of beta) a couple of bucks, but it's possible that was misreported somewhere or my mind got scrambled. I apologize for that.
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I think the Windows tablets and phones will get a good share of users, so it makes sense to release this. I have an iPad Retina and would take a Win tablet over it no hesitation, mainly for the ability to split the screen, an SD slot with no dongles, and a USB port. So much more extensible than the iPad.
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