Australian Exploration Company Believes It May Have Found MH370 Wreckage 293
First time accepted submitter NapalmV (1934294) writes "Using technology designed to find nuclear warheads and submarines, an Adelaide-based exploration company believes it may have located the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. 'The company, GeoResonance, says its research has identified elements on the ocean floor consistent with material from a plane. Six weeks have now passed since the plane disappeared and extensive searches in the Indian Ocean have failed to locate any wreckage.'"
Does it make me a bad person... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:5, Insightful)
Truthfully, I stopped watching CNN years ago.
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:5, Interesting)
CNN's heyday was the First Gulf War. After that, it was all downhill.
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yup. They act like Anderson Cooper is some sort of Doc Savage-ess superhero. It's nauseating, tiresome and profoundly uninformative. CNN sucks, and about the only thing it has going for it is that most network news in the US sucks, so it's more like a competitive contestant on the race to the bottom.
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:4, Insightful)
There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there. The American stations are all still too capitalist. BBC rocks, but in the US, the market is limited. My own carrier refuses to carry it -- likely because they get paid not to. RT is nice, but is too Russia-centric. Also, the American news channels are nothing but spin. I want nothing but news. I don't want what YOU think happened. the BBC does such a great job. I'm saddened I cannot get their TV channel.
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:5, Insightful)
Are not the sentences "There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there." and "Also, the American news channels are nothing but spin. I want nothing but news." in direct contradiction? Is not the very definition of "left-leaning" (or "right-leaning") equal to "spin"? If you desire spin-free news, you cannot also desire that it lean to the left (or right, or any other direction).
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Not true, really. By spin, I mean how Fox attacks Obama incessantly rather than report. How MSNBC attacks the right for being right. I'm not a liberal. I'm a leftist. I don't want left spin. I want the news reported for left-leaning people on left ideas, left happenings, left progress, that sort of thing. India has this type of news, for example.
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Then you want news with a left spin. That's exactly what you describe.
"spin" implies falsehood, or at least bias (Score:3)
While I agree that it would be best for everyone to get unbiased news across the political spectrum, there is a difference between leftist (or rightist) "news" and "spin".
To me, "spin" implies falsehood, or at least heavily biased reporting. On the other hand, it would be possible do completely unbiased reporting of news that is of interest to those on the left (or right).
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I'm not a liberal. I'm a leftist.
Finally, someone gets it and is now willing to admit it. You do realize that leftism requires a strong element of propaganda? You should just read Pravda and never go anywhere else.
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It does not require propaganda any more than any other political orientation. You're just accustomed to the U.S. propaganda.
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Try NPR.
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:4, Funny)
If you desire spin-free news
Then you better go places and see for yourself. You can't get spin-free news on electronic media. Quantum physics 101!
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That's not consistent with the statement (not one you made; your post is internally consistent) that "America is a center-right nation" - a statement that gets broad agreement from all news outlets, I think. Certainly Fox reminds its viewers of that fact (or claim) whenever the R party has a bad day at the polls, and you can find the sentiment in CNN and MSNBC reportage (and many papers) as well.
If America is a "centre-right nation" - certainly it has a Gini number (measure of inequality) out of step with
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I think they Jeff may have meant the "propaganda" property of both those channels.
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:4, Informative)
There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there. The American stations are all still too capitalist. BBC rocks
I love this. I know the way it's written doesn't necessarily imply that the author believes the BBC is left-leaning, but it does come across that way. From your side of the pond I guess it probably is left-leaning by comparison to the range of news media you have available; the BBC charter, however, requires it to be politically independent, and it is monitored by OFWATCH to ensure neutrality.
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"There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there"
you are correct.
You also can not have a good right-leaning news channel.
Are you looking for news or propaganda you like?
Honestly try VOA. It seems to work the hardest to not be right or left leaning.
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I want an unbiased horse-leaning channel. Horse have issues too. That doesn't mean it has to have some pro-horse agenda and spin, but that the coverage is things interesting to horses and fans of horses, wha
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:5, Insightful)
that I simply don't care anymore?
Nah; heck, if not for the curiosity factor (loss of communications, stories about the 'weird' pilot, et. al), most people wouldn't have paid any more attention to it than any other plane crash.
If anything, that just shows that you don't have a vested interest in the search, just like 6.999 billion other humans.
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I'm Indian and I don't give a shit.
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:5, Insightful)
It also shows a total lack of empathy and curiosity. Typical of white people.
Around 154,889 die every day. How much time do you spend on each of them? Or do you lack empathy and curiosity?
HEY! Watch This! (Score:2)
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I agree. A few of them will find their way off the island anyways.
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After weeks of CNN jumping at every bit of trash in the ocean, I simply do not care
Yes, the degree to which one TV show has either increased or decreased your concern on the matter, that is an issue you need to work on. It should be entirely irrelevant.
I plug '370' into Google News every few days and read a brief article on what's new. I'm interested to hear what happened, but systems failures are something of an esoteric interest of mine. I haven't had cable or satellite for years and the CNN live str
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I check the Wikipedia article every few days, or at least when it bubbles to the top.
I actually find them to be a great source for ongoing events like MH370.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]
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Compassion Fatigue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue) is a very real thing. With saturation media coverage of almost any event, it's very easy to become somewhat jaded about events in the world.
It doesn't make you a bad person; but recognizing what you are feeling and not taking steps to stop this from happening again (eg. by switching off the 24/7 news and going to play a game with your dog outside in the sun) does mark you as a bit of a tragic. We all know the types who live for the next
Re:Does it make me a bad person... (Score:4, Interesting)
What bothers me most about the saturation of mass tragedy coverage is how the media makes it seem as if such events are threatening to repeat themselves everywhere. This happens every time there's a school shooting. "Are your children safe?!? Tune it to find out how horribly your children may die AT ANY TIME!" When the fact is, your children are not in danger. If you do the math, there are almost 100,000 public schools in the US. There's an average of about 2 incidents of somebody firing a gun at a K-12 school each year. The average school year is 180 days. That means that 18,999,998 school days each year, the bell will ring in the morning, the bell will ring in the afternoon with not a shot fired. On two terrible, terrible days, a shooting occurs. It's awful. A terrible tragedy. But it's so incredibly, incredibly rare that there's basically nothing that can be done to stop it. Banning guns, arming teachers, mental health screening, whatever, is not going to stop 1-in-9-million events. And yet the "debate" will rage in the media for weeks until the next tragedy strikes.
It's exhausting.
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After it became apparent the plane didn't mysteriously land somewhere and the passengers were actually alive, I just didn't want to hear about it anymore. There's enough death and misery in the news. Then the South Korean ferry full of high school kids sank. As a parent of two kids, it makes me sick just thinking about that and I haven't even been reading the news since.
Are you kidding? The plane could easily have been ditched in the sea, the passengers and cargo transferred to a waiting ship and then scuttled and sent to the bottom in one piece leaving no floating wreckage. Use your imagination.
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jim stone (Score:5, Funny)
There is absolutely no doubt that flight 370 was electronically hijacked and flown through the Maldives and on to Diego Garcia. There is also no doubt that there was a plan to use at least the image of flight 370 to crash the nuclear summit in Belgium and blame it on Iran, and that the Dutch intercepted the crash craft before it arrived. This report is documented accurate. There will be a lot here, briefly discussed that you have not seen before. If you were looking for a concise report that will give a clear picture, this sums it all up.
Re:jim stone (Score:5, Funny)
Your analysis intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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You'd better learn the secret handshake, then. Otherwise they'll think your a New World Order mole preparing to sell them out to the United Nations and the Illuminati.
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You have a very different standard of "absolutely no doubt" than do I.
Other than that, I'm sure Tom Clancy would have digged your story.
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I'm curious - what's your native language? I've not seen "digged" in place of "dug" before....
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Or maybe this [blogspot.com] is what they've found?
silly troll, there was no flight 370 (Score:3)
it's all a made-for-TV movie. you are not an extra, no $100.
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It is impossible to post anything on the internet that is so crazy that nobody believe it.
David's first law of the Internet.
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Oh, it's DOCUMENTED accurate. That changes everything. Forgive me for doubting you.
For real this time? (Score:2)
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error of location a couple hundred kilometers off or more is possible with complex thermocline conditions
Re:For real this time? (Score:5, Informative)
Yes. The next step I'd take is to dip a 37 kHz pinger down to the bottom at a number of locations, measure the received audio signature and build an acoustic model of the area. Then run the actual pinger data back through the model and generate a probability map of where it might be located.
Only problem with this approach: thermoclines change. And we don't have good models for how they do.
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If the "elements" are iron and aluminum, in addition to the usual assortment of C, H etc. in plastics, then we're thoroughly [wikipedia.org] screwed [wikipedia.org].
And they found the comparatively puny airplane in the Bay of Bengal's average depth of 2.6 km? Why the hell aren't we using this super-advanced sensing technology to locate (massive) enemy submarines?
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In Bay of Bengal. (Score:2)
CNN is hoping against hope it aint true. It would not know how to fight the withdrawal symptoms if "370 vanishes" story vanishes.
So what? (Score:3)
Re:So what? (Score:5, Funny)
Courtney Love did indeed spot wreckage. But she was looking in a mirror.
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Perhaps other celebrity train wrecks have prevented you from keeping up with Courtney. She's actually doing fine, having overcome her addiction problems and stayed clean si
Tech used? (Score:3)
Does anyone have any info on what sort of tech this company is using? From the little info in the article I get the impression they are using satellite images? I'm rather skeptical that surface images can pick up elemental signals from the sea floor at substantial depth.
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Re:Tech used? (Score:5, Informative)
They are using a vary basic form of technology called bullshit. 100%, unrefined. It's impossible to do what they say from 'satellite images'. If they had a large fleet of low-flying aircraft with extraordinarily sensitive magnetometers, it may just be possible. From orbit? Complete and utter bollocks.
So close to the shore (Score:2, Informative)
In the Bay of Bengal? One of the most polluted areas of ocean imaginable? The area where ships and planes are scrapped? My money is on a false positive.
Oops. Our bad... (Score:5, Funny)
It was just some guy and his lady in a 30's prop job on the bottom of the ocean.
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LOL, Only if Noonan and Earhart both manged to fly west when they should have been going east.. Then there is the matter of the Itasca actually receiving voice signals from Earhart... But hey, we can dream.
This company is about as credible here as if they made your claim..
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hey they could have been carried by currents by now...
Anyway, there is good evidence where they did end up landing and likely dying already.
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Anyway, there is good evidence where they did end up landing and likely dying already.
Not necessarily in that order, but I agree. What goes up, comes down. Aircraft that run out of fuel, do not fly very long or far. In this case it is at the bottom of the ocean north and west of Perth.
Physics Rules! (Score:4, Interesting)
Using sensors which can pick signatures over time (bother before and after the crash) of various metals, like aluminum, titanium and steel (radiation as in spectrophotomry), sounds like the type of info you need. Getting it out of satellite info from orbit is a bit of a surprise to me.
What this indicated, from the article, to me is that the military has far higher capabilities than I ever thought.
What I don't get... (Score:2)
is all of those people who are saying that people are searching in the wrong area using uncorroborated data. Is this a last ditch want of hope from people, or is there something seriously scientifically missed? And if the latter, why are they searching where they are?
*I* may have found MH370 wreckage (Score:3, Insightful)
I just looked in my trashcan here at work, an I may have found MH370 wreckage. Almost certainly I have not, but still I may have.
Until confirmed one way or the other, CNN should really send a team over to my office to report on the movements of the neighborhood dogs.
Here's the news story I want to see.... (Score:2)
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Technically, it is certainly possible to do.
Practically, it's too expensive to justify. It isn't like planes drop from the sky all of the time. You would need a number of expensive satellites, additional expensive equipment in the aircraft, computers and other bits and pieces to put it all together. You will probably see some politician suggest this ('think of the children...") but it won't go anywhere.
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Well, in this case, much of this information WOULD have been uploaded, had the airline coughed up the yearly fee of about 15K per aircraft. Air France pays the fees, but Malaysian airlines apparently doesn't.
Everything but the law is already here.
Hmmm. On the edge of possibility... (Score:2)
That is close to the northernmost one of the two arcs that Inmarsat deduced the last ping must have come from, so I guess it's not entirely implausible.
It doesn't seem likely to me that the plane would still be completely intact though, which seems to be implicit in this article. If it fell out of the sky due to lack of fuel, which currently seems the most likely scenario, it would have impacted the water at high speed and would surely have broken up.
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If you draw a line between the last civilian radar contact and the
last military contact
CIVIL 6Â 55â 15â N, 103Â 34â 43â E
MIL 5Â 40â 50â N, 98Â 56â 27â E
You would extrapolate to the bay of bengal.
But: Airplanes when they are out of fuel do not "fall" out of the sky.
Like airgliders these aircraft have the ability to enter a glide path, if you don't stall the aircraft. Also a water landing where the hull mostly remains intact is possible however as so
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I think that crash you've seen on video was made much worse by one of the hijackers deciding to start a wrestling fight with the pilot just before touchdown.
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Thanks for the correction checked it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com]
Simple solution: Call India for Help! (Score:2)
From the images I saw the grid they use is pretty fine,
if shape and grid do really conform each other, then the resolution is approx 100mx100m so the position in this grid is also very detailed. WikiP-tells me The water depth is "4694 " at max and
2600m average.
This is not so challenging, also the Indian Navy(submarine+sub hunters) operates in these waters so the best address to transfer the coordinates to is India. If they could check the deep sea surface there with sonar imaging.
hard Result: Positive or Ne
Pseudoscience? (Score:3)
I'm not convinced about the scientific integrity of this company. What they claim to be able to do sounds very vague, shady and too good to be true and there's a telling lack of concrete facts about how their technique works. The "learn more about GeoResonance technology" page is conveniently "under construction". The brief summary states they use:
Sounds a lot like pseudoscientific technobabble to me, absent more details. I'm getting a hint of Steorn here...
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I came here to say the same - the homepage of GeoResonance is *extremely* light on the technology they use, which mostly sounds like some kind of remote NMR. But how do they excite a signal, and how do they detect it? Also, most of the images they show seems to be super-coarse spatial resolution, useful for finding oil and minerals, but not so much a plane on the oceanfloor.
Finally, even if they had the data, how would they find a tiny signal in their apparently huge dataset which just accidentally happened
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I came here to say the same - the homepage of GeoResonance is *extremely* light on the technology they use, which mostly sounds like some kind of remote NMR. But how do they excite a signal, and how do they detect it?
The earth carries a huge magnetic field. Much bigger than the magnets in a NMR. As for the exciter - what do you think HAARP [wikipedia.org] is for?
Heck, it you would have stayed awake in your marketing classes, you'd know this already.
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Earth Remote Sensing = using sattellite sensors (different sensors)
Multispectral imaging = common you combine data from sensors that have different spectra, like overlaying an RGB CCC with data from a thermal imaging sensor .. (Predator)
Gamma irradiation = yes possible, during cold war the US sent satelites into the orbit search for gamma ray bursts (which you would expect from a nuclear test) and they found many because the REDS tested their nukes in far away galaxies, just kidding extra terrestrial Quasar
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Yeah and I may not be a geography whiz but I doubt the bay of Bengal is off Australia
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Decades ago, my uncle who spent his life chasing one get-rich-quick scheme or another was telling me of his latest investment opportunity.
He had invested with a man who had built a device that could be pointed at a hillside and provide a readout of the proportions of the various elements within. Considering the possibilities of magnetic resonance, I was ready to grant his story a bit of credence. When he then told me you could take a photograph of a hillside and the same device could make the same analysis,
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The most interesting point - Different area (Score:2)
This is really interesting from the standpoint of, if it is true it's nowhere at all near where they are currently searching - where a ping was detected.
So if this new position turns out to be correct, what was that ping?
Also very interesting this information was discovered two weeks before the batter on the pinger ran out, but it doesn't seem to have been followed up on.
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The Chinese saving face after they'd announced a few days earlier that they'd detected a ping, and noone else that looked in the same area had found it.
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It's on the seafloor now.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli... [nbcnews.com]
Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage (Score:5, Informative)
I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage. I mean, none has been found. With the technology we have
To horrendously misquote Douglas Adams:
The ocean is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to the ocean.
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So what you're saying is that the Vogons destroyed Flight 370?
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The posted a clear no-fly warning on the corkboard of their interplanetary local office.
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So what you're saying is that the Vogons destroyed Flight 370?
No, just that the radios and beacons were turned off to avoid accidentally retransmitting Vogon poetry.
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WTF is a chemist? Was this Adams guy a meth head?
English... learn it some time.
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I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage. I mean, none has been found. With the technology we have on the ocean currents something should have been found. Makes me think it wasn't a full fledged crash maybe they landed and then sunk. At any rate i feel for the familys they would like closure as i would.
As light as airplanes are, they are generally really bad at floating for long periods, especially if they have not been properly ditched and didn't stay structurally intact. If you can keep the pressure hull from being breached, they are generally airtight, but if break off the tail or something, you will leave gaping holes and it will sink pretty quick.
IMHO, This aircraft hit the water, generally stayed together, but was structurally damaged enough to sink quickly. When they find it (and I'm fairly sure
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If this plane was flying without human intervention, it may very well have taken a nosedive once the fuel ran out and the autopilot disconnected. If so, it would probably be crushed in a lot of quite small (~meter size) pieces, like the Air France flight that went down in the Atlantic.
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But not wonder enough to actually take five minutes to find out why?
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In fact, I went and looked on their references, the closest to this task seems to be their claim of finding the sunken hospital ship Armenia in the Black Sea in 2005. A quick Googling on it turns out a 2013 interview of archeologists STILL seeking the ship Armenia [ukrinform.ua]. So I think we can safely call this hoax debunked.
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Scientists focused their efforts north of the flight’s last known location, using over 20 technologies to analyse the data including a nuclear reactor.
How exactly do you use a nuclear reactor in precision remote sensing of metals through two kilometers of water is a mystery to me. Oh, did they say analyze? They must have some kind of nucleonic computer to process the data instead of our ordinary electronic ones, I presume. That would make sense, of course you'd need a nuclear reactor for that, right?
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How exactly do you use a nuclear reactor in precision remote sensing of metals through two kilometers of water is a mystery to me.
It's probably got something to do with homeopathy.
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Nah, everyone who believes in homeopathy knew the truth right away: you just have to wait a while for the plane to diffuse around, and then even a teaspoon of ocean water will contain enough black box information to solve the mystery. That the "disappearance" hasn't been solved yet is just continuing evidence of the establishment's biases against reality.
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With electricity generated by the nuclear reactor, of course! Come on, that wasn't even hard.
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Don't be. Australia is an awesome country. Assholes are everywhere. Anytime there is a disaster, the snake-oil salesmen will be out in force to huck their miracle cures.