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Google Confirms That It's Designing Kid-Friendly Versions of Its Services 52

An anonymous reader writes USA Today reports that rumors about Google working on specific services catering to young kids are true. From the article: "With Google processing 40,000 search queries a second — or 1.2 trillion a year — it's a safe bet that many of those doing the Googling are kids. Little surprise then that beginning next year the tech giant plans to create specific versions of its most popular products for those 12 and younger. The most likely candidates are those that are already popular with a broad age group, such as search, YouTube and Chrome. 'The big motivator inside the company is everyone is having kids, so there's a push to change our products to be fun and safe for children,' Pavni Diwanji, the vice president of engineering charged with leading the new initiative, told USA TODAY. 'We expect this to be controversial, but the simple truth is kids already have the technology in schools and at home,' says the mother of two daughters, ages 8 and 13. 'So the better approach is to simply see to it that the tech is used in a better way.'"
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Google Confirms That It's Designing Kid-Friendly Versions of Its Services

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  • The real question is (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    besides the obvious filtering of content, will Google also be limiting advertisements and tracking of kids searches?

    • by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Thursday December 04, 2014 @08:17AM (#48521829)

      besides the obvious filtering of content, will Google also be limiting advertisements and tracking of kids searches?

      I would imagine it will be targeting adverts at kids, and tracking just as much.

      • by Jahta ( 1141213 ) on Thursday December 04, 2014 @08:41AM (#48521927)

        besides the obvious filtering of content, will Google also be limiting advertisements and tracking of kids searches?

        I would imagine it will be targeting adverts at kids, and tracking just as much.

        A more interesting question is "how will Google determine who is a kid?". Will adults have to login to get the grown-up version, and prove that their login really belongs to an adult by providing, for example, credit card details?

        Now you have tracking that's worth big money to marketeers.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 04, 2014 @09:22AM (#48522203)

          How hard is it to provide www.youtube.com along with kids.youtube.com and let folks decide for themselves where to go?

          PBS is quite capable of broadcasting child friendly content without worrying about how to make certain that it really is being watched by kids. Nor are they really concerned that a kid could switch from PBS to Cinemax. That's the role of the parents.

          Content provider provide content. Parents parent.

      • by BarbaraHudson ( 3785311 ) <barbara.jane.hud ... minus physicist> on Thursday December 04, 2014 @08:59AM (#48522053) Journal

        besides the obvious filtering of content, will Google also be limiting advertisements and tracking of kids searches?

        I would imagine it will be targeting adverts at kids, and tracking just as much.

        That's going to be a serious problem. I don't know about other jurisdictions, but here it's illegal to target advertising to young kids.

        • That's going to be a serious problem. I don't know about other jurisdictions, but here it's illegal to target advertising to young kids.

          I see where you're coming from, but it'd be better than the political and weird stuff that comes up. I see it as there's no real difference between which commercials show up on Cartoon Network or any other kids oriented network. Just playing to the primary demographic.

        • by Chrisq ( 894406 )

          besides the obvious filtering of content, will Google also be limiting advertisements and tracking of kids searches?

          I would imagine it will be targeting adverts at kids, and tracking just as much.

          That's going to be a serious problem. I don't know about other jurisdictions, but here it's illegal to target advertising to young kids.

          Right, but the adverts will officially to "inform the parents who are viewing with the child", just like all the adverts on children's television. Everyone will know that they are targeted ad kids but officially they won't be to comply with the law.

        • Really? Where is that exactly?

          I haven't heard of a place without McDonalds and toy shops. Sounds like a nice place to live.

          • The same Canadian province that gave an immigration consultant a slap-down in court.

            partial extract [news.ubc.ca]

            A UBC study of Quebec’s 32-year ban on fast food advertising found that people in that province bought less junk food and their children tend to weigh less than their North American counterparts.

            “That regulation effectively reduced fast food consumption in households by as much as 13 per cent each week,” says Asst. Prof. Tirtha Dhar, a marketing expert at UBC’s Sauder School of Business.

            In the first study of its kind, Dhar investigated the impact of the world’s first and oldest advertising ban on fastfood. Enacted in 1980, Quebec legislation prohibits advertising of products such as toys and fast food which target children in print and electronic media. In the past decade, other countries have followed suit with similar bans, among them Norway, Sweden, Greece and the U.K.

            Dhar says the annual drop in household fast food purchases represents the equivalent of US $88 million in 2010 dollars. "In terms of meals, that reduction represents 13 and 18 billion fewer fast-food calories a year."

            Billions and billions of calories not served ...

            the actual law (warning pdf) [gouv.qc.ca] which is actually a consumer protection law.

            non-pdf version [pubzone.com]

            No more weekend cartoon shows with kids going "I-want-It-I-want-It-I-want-It-I-want-It-I-want-It-I-want-It-I-want-It-I-want-It" for the latest piece of plastic junk.

            Of course, you have to deal with stupid language laws that treat English as a disease.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      will Google also be limiting advertisements and tracking of kids searches?

      Almost guaranteed. Ads don't exist in google apps for education, and the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) strictly limits how much data they can collect and how they can use it.

    • The real question is do the Google engineers having these kids know they can't just abandon them like their other offerings?
  • Hi have 8 years old twins that are starting to discover both google and youtube and they still ask me for direction (we're from a non-english speaking country) and so I'm able to filter out "bad" stuff from the start but I was actually started to get concerned about how I can make sure they don't end up in those weird corners of the internet.

    I'm not worried about sex, as we had various talks on the subject and we're open about that (though after all the talks I actually find concepts like sex stores or s
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Otherwise, if you're networking-minded, you could play around with running squid and dansguardian as a content-based filter to at least reduce the amount of age-inappropriate content they come across?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      If you've prove to them that they can trust you, such as not getting angry at them when they tell you they did something wrong, you can have faith that when they stumble into darker corners of the internet and are confused about that they find, they'll ask you about it.

      Though I wouldn't worry about it. My parents never had a sex talk with me and I found dark corners of the net and figured out everything on my own. I'm annoyed I never had a close relationship with my parents, but I've turned out alright.

    • Until recently our 8, 11 and 12 year old did not have unsupervised internet access. My wife and I tested several options for content filtering but even NetNanny on the lowest level didn't work well. A search for cats brought up a news headline of a man who was arrested for hanging 25 dead ones from trees. There's no reason our kids would need to see that even if the full article was blocked. In the end we opted for Microsoft Family Safety (it's a Windows computer for homeschooling reasons) and only allo
  • Will this be a darknet, where google and wikipedia pretend that santa claus exists?

    • Will this be a darknet, where google and wikipedia pretend that santa claus exists?

      What do you mean "pretend"...

  • by blueshift_1 ( 3692407 ) on Thursday December 04, 2014 @08:32AM (#48521879)
    I'm really glad Google are taking this on. This is just a challenging age group because so much mental/cognative development occurs in this time. Something that is increadibly informative for a 7 year old can quite uninteresting to a 10 year old. Finding a way to make it instructive, intuitive, and generally usefull without alienating age groups will be challenging. I'm curious what they come up with.
  • Just like Camel cigarettes used to do, get 'em while they're young.
  • ... they'll have buy the domain name from the makers of googoo clusters though.
  • by hessian ( 467078 ) on Thursday December 04, 2014 @08:54AM (#48522023) Homepage Journal

    "I'm sorry, I can't find anything for monogamy. Perhaps you'd like to research transsexual group anal sex orgies instead?"

    • Maybe there'll be a conservative version too...

      Google Search: gay marriage
      Did you mean "may marriage"?

      Google Search: abortion
      Did you mean "adoption"?

      Google Search: the big bang
      Showing results for "Genesis 1":

  • by qubezz ( 520511 ) on Thursday December 04, 2014 @09:03AM (#48522085)

    COPPA - Children's Online Privacy Protection Act [coppa.org] is the law they are attempting to skirt through directed effort, which defines a child for the sake of all its protection as an individual under 13.

    (1) IN GENERAL.â"It is unlawful for an operator of a website or online service directed to children, or any operator that has actual knowledge that it is collecting personal information from a child, to collect personal information from a child in a manner that violates the regulations prescribed under subsection (b). ... and it continues.

    I wonder how they expect to monetize or indoctrinate this audience. As long as they don't violate the terms of the privacy law (which got iOS contact-stealing app company Path fined $800,000 [arstechnica.com], in part for collecting on children) they can run a kid's site. This means that as long as they aren't wantonly scarfing details, they can still pitch sugar cereals.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I wonder how they expect to monetize or indoctrinate this audience.

      monetisation - the parents will like Google for this, so use Google, so see ads. Child version ad-supported by their parents usage.
      indoctrinate - they'll get used to using Google for search, email etc. Naturally on becoming a teenager they'll switch to the adult version, knowing and trusting the Google brand. Or perhaps a teenage version that'll exist by then.

      Very easy for Google to comply with COPPA. If Google knows they're a child then serve them the child version (no ads, no/limited tracking), if they do

  • The way Google has implemented image search, the thumbnails that come back are incredibly difficult to filter even using DNS services. Sure, you can set Safe Mode in the browser, but all a kid needs to do is open a different browser, delete cookies or go into private mode. The current best approach that I'm aware of is URL re-writing (to force-append the safe search parameter to every request) - and that is beyond what most people can do with a home wireless router. Something like creating kids.google.co
  • he big motivator inside the company is everyone is having kids,

    Yeah right.

    The average age of an employee is still in the mid to late 20s. Those that start having families and kids leave and are replaced by new employees who don't yet have kids.

  • "[...] there's a push to change our products to be fun and safe for children." If it becomes funnier and safer I'll better use the kids version.
  • ... Like Apple dumbified the NextSetp interface for Mac OSX, is the design for kid specifications the thing Google calls "Material Design"?

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