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Netflix Begins Blocking Users Who Bypass Region Locks 121

An anonymous reader writes with reports that Netflix may be shutting out international VPN users. "Netflix can only stream the videos that studios make available in a given country, which has led to a booming business in workarounds (such as proxies and virtual private networks) that let you see the company's catalogs in other nations. Heck, one New Zealand internet provider practically built a service around it. However, you might not get to count on that unofficial solution for much longer. VPN operators claim to TorrentFreak that Netflix recently started blocking some users who use these technological loopholes to watch videos that would normally be verboten. The effort isn't widespread and mostly appears to focus on connections with many simultaneous Netflix sign-ins (that is, they're obviously being used for circumvention), but it's a surprise to viewers who were used to having unfettered access."
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Netflix Begins Blocking Users Who Bypass Region Locks

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  • It's Dupe-L-Licious! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:56PM (#48731593)

    It's dupe-l-licious! [slashdot.org]

    Well, OK, this "story" has an additional linky to engadget...

    Netflix really does have to do this, their business requires the licenses and cooperation of the Media Mafia, who could snuff them out if they chose. There would be lawsuits, but Netflix would be essentially over.

    I don't know much about why there are such restrictions, do they charge different amounts in different countries? Shouldn't it all be pretty much the same, money-wise? Is it an issue of censorship based on the particular country's politics?

    • by jones_supa ( 887896 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:59PM (#48731609)

      It's dupe-l-licious!

      This version is tailored for different region.

    • From the Engadget linky [engadget.com]:

      Update: Netflix tells us that there's been "no change" in the way it handles VPNs, so you shouldn't have to worry about the company getting tough any time soon. With that said, these blocking errors started showing up in the past few weeks, so it's not clear what would have prompted them.

      If this is the case, could it be that the Media Mafia are working with various ISP such as Time-Warner and Comcast? Or perhaps even the owners of the backbones?

      • No. It's the case of Netflix lying to the media or the VPN provider shutting out service, that's all. If the "Media Mafia", as you say it, is up to no good then we wouldn't have access to tons of services that provide unlicensed copyrighted content, be it bittorrent, youtube, reddit, or something else. Now, if the VPN provider was sent a cease and desist letter from any of the various stakeholders, that may happen, but technically they're doing nothing illegal.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I don't know much about why there are such restrictions, do they charge different amounts in different countries? Shouldn't it all be pretty much the same, money-wise? Is it an issue of censorship based on the particular country's politics?

      It's all about the licenses. Most of the time a TV station with deep pockets buys the rights for a region for a given timeframe from the producers. And they wouldn't be too happy if you could binge watch a whole season on Netflix before they had time to show all the episo

      • by ruir ( 2709173 )
        Exactly. Internet knows no borders and no politics. It is an outdated model to enforce. For instance, back here they are (re)running in a paid channel TruBlood Season 3 for the nth time. I already saw it maybe 2 or 3 years ago...
      • That, plus the price gouging that goes on, for example Aussie's famously pay 50-100% more for digital content than customers in the US and EU regions.
    • by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @06:30PM (#48732761)
      I didn't think that Netflix was required by contract to go to extraordinary measures to block un-blocking. 100% security is impossible. Maybe some content owners started complaining to Netflix and threatening to pull content.

      This is a case of the content owners punishing paying users. The un-blockers are all paying users. The pirates aren't. The content owners are making more pirates, and refusing the money of paying customers. And wondering why their business model isn't working.
      • by ruir ( 2709173 )
        Oh it is working very well. Have not you heard Obama last week? They want to proclaim a new feudal model in the digital world, as if we needed music and movies to breath. They want to prevent you for getting anything that does not come directly from hollywood, and god forbids you get it from other sources. They want you not to ditch cable and go only with Internet. And they have very deep pockets, with money suckers, pardon, customers give them to screw us and buy politicians.
      • And wondering why their business model isn't working

        I doubt it, their business model is making them $quillions, I don't think they give a flying fuck if it works for you and I.

  • by Dzimas ( 547818 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @02:59PM (#48731611)

    Excellent. Today, I think I'll learn to play the piano, master a few vintage Atari arcade games and hit on Andie MacDowell.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:01PM (#48731629)

    I think it was stupid for people to go out of their way to pay for 2 services (VPN/Proxy and Netflix), one of which views them as pirates.
    If you're gonna be viewed as a pirate by Netflix, save yourself the trouble and pirate the content right away at no cost. Because if you circumvent for whatever reason the restrictions and pay you're still considered a pirate by Netflix and the MPAA. In this case being honest doesn't pay.

    • by by (1706743) ( 1706744 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:07PM (#48731661)
      I could be wrong, but I suspect Netflix is completely fine with you VPN'ing your way to more content -- it's the movie studios that aren't ok with it. More paying customers is a Good Thing for Netflix.
      • by itzly ( 3699663 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:08PM (#48731671)
        Apparently, movie studios have no interest in more paying customers.
        • by by (1706743) ( 1706744 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:19PM (#48731725)
          Yeah, their strategy seems pretty lousy. Basically everyone I know is totally fine paying reasonable fees for convenient access to content -- but will of course pirate material if it's not available.
        • by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:41PM (#48731799)

          They do, but you aren't their paying customer, the entity which buys the distribution license in your country is their paying customer. If you can access an American service to view the content, why would anyone other than an American business buy the distribution license?

          • by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @06:32PM (#48732791)
            So the American license is the global license. But they don't give global licenses, because they can extract money selling the exact same thing 200 times to 200 different people. But reality wins. If you don't allow global access under the more expensive US license, then you'll have pirates, as the streaming options in most other places are inferior.
            • And when the global license prices adjust to compensate?

              • by ruir ( 2709173 )
                It is more problematic than prices. Availability, delays for years sometimes, the licenses being used to sell something else (shitty cable service). A whole host of problems.
    • In Denmark it's not illegal to bypass country restrictions.

      So if you pay for Netflix and uses VPN / SmartDNS / What ever then it's not against the law.

    • by bloodhawk ( 813939 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:43PM (#48731813)

      how about because they AREN'T pirates. It is perfectly legal to bypass geo-blocking in many countries. e.g. Australia. Why do we do it, because the local services are shit and even with the cost of the VPN + Netflix it is still cheaper than the shit local services.

    • by aussersterne ( 212916 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:55PM (#48731861) Homepage

      to the media by making it easy to browse through, search, access, and stream.

      And they're paying regular price.

      We live in a very strange world when "piracy" has gone from "armed crews of criminal specialists seizing tonnage shipments of goods on the high seas with cannon and sword" to "a regular schmo paying the regular price to use a regular product in the regular way in his regular living room."

      Hard to believe that the word still retains any of its negative connotation at all.

      "Piracy" these days sounds an awful lot like "tuesday afternoon nothing-in-particular with tea."

      • We live in a very strange world when "piracy" has gone from "armed crews of criminal specialists seizing tonnage shipments of goods on the high seas with cannon and sword" to "a regular schmo paying the regular price to use a regular product in the regular way in his regular living room."

        the signs of the rot were there when they went after DVD Jon for having the audacity to provide a work around so that he could watch DVD's he'd legally bought on his own personal computer that just didn't have their blessin [bbc.co.uk]

      • by Rakarra ( 112805 )

        Um, they just want to use Netflix. It adds value to the media by making it easy to browse through, search, access, and stream.

        I'd counter that you're not getting what you paid for when it comes to Netflix streaming, as Netflix's streaming selection is absolutely horrible and gets smaller thanks to media company shenanigans.

        The one exception being Netflix's original content available only through Netflix streaming. Supposedly they're high-quality, and available only through Netflix, so I could see a number of people trying to access it through VPNs for that reason. Do House of Cards or Orange is the New Black have any region restri

    • Imagine a Netflix subscriber who lives in the USA, then moves to Europe for work reasons.

      Unless they use a VPN to appear to still be accessing from the US, they'll lose access to certain shows.

  • by Zeio ( 325157 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:08PM (#48731669)

    Switched to .torrents and a streaming device long ago. Being 100% honest is no longer workable. I will buy copies of the blu-rays and go to the movies. However when viewing is desired a downloaded blu-ray rip @ 720p is obtained and I put them through a streaming device (tivo+pytivo works well).

    Owning the content in box form should entitle one to access to that content but this is simply not the case - the content providers are way difficult to deal with.

    • by mark-t ( 151149 )
      Being 100% honest on the matter of copyrighted media is only unworkable if one possesses any sense of entitlement to the content they would otherwise probably just pirate.

      Owning the content in box form should entitle one to access to that content

      Leaving aside the issue that how things *should* be is rarely how things actually are, and trying to pretend that one lives in that person's view of an ideal world when things are not actually as they would like is only going to end in disaster, that is nonetheless

  • by Skuld-Chan ( 302449 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:12PM (#48731691)

    To coordinate and block duplicate stories.

    Its like they don't even talk to each other.

    "Hey do you think this is a good idea for the front page?"... "Nah it was submitted yesterday..."

    And in fact it was submitted to /r/technology on reddit like a week ago... Slashdot has become the last piece in the chain for news - which is sad because it puts it below Facebook.

  • by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:12PM (#48731693) Homepage Journal

    Often they are used to bypass the decidedly not net-neutral treatment of Netflix by your ISP.

  • dupe (Score:3, Informative)

    by bloodhawk ( 813939 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @03:32PM (#48731769)

    perhaps they could also show Slashdot how to block dupes.

  • by Dogtanian ( 588974 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @04:20PM (#48731947) Homepage

    We've reached out to Netflix to verify what it's doing

    Urgh... this makes me think of that famous bash.org quote. [bash.org] Seriously, why the **** are Engadget using this obnoxious phrase instead of simply saying "we've contacted Netflix" or something similar?

    It's the current favoured stock weasel-worded pseudo-touchy-feely (but in fact, insultingly off-the-shelf) bullshit phrase corporate PR use to sound like they *suddenly* give a f*** about a pissed-off customer they're having to contact, er... "reach out to" in response to some massive PR disaster they didn't expect.

    But why would a "proper" news source feel the need to use the same irritating phrase when *they're* not the putative offending party on the defensive, but rather the people investigating the problem?

    Unless this is an example of the phrase "if you lie down with dogs [i.e. hang around too many PR weasels], you get up with fleas".

  • by Kethinov ( 636034 ) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @05:19PM (#48732283) Homepage Journal

    Hollywood bullies Netflix [arstechnica.com] into implementing draconian DRM.

    But like any abusive relationship they're too afraid of losing their sugar daddy to speak out against it in public.

    From the leaked Sony emails: "Netflix are heavily resistant to enforcing stricter financial geofiltering controls, as they claim this would present a too high bar to entry from legitimate subscribers. For example, they want people to be able to use various methods of payment (e.g. PayPal) where it is harder to determine where the subscriber is based. They recognize that this may cause illegal subscribers but they (of course) would rather err that way than create barriers to legitimate subscribers to sign up."

    Yeah, right. I'll consider Netflix "heavily resistant" to draconian DRM when they launch a PR campaign publicly skewering Hollywood for asking for it.

    Instead this leaked email tells us only that in private they're mildly uncomfortable with draconian DRM but at the end of the day they don't really give a shit and will fall in line in public for The Almighty Hollywood.

    Keep taking those beatings, Netflix. Keep doing your abuser's bidding.

  • ... then available content would be determined not by identifying the geographic area of the IP address, but instead by the billing address of the customer. Live in the USA, but are on vacation out of the country and still want to watch movies? Not a problem... since your billing address is still in the USA, so you can continue to enjoy your favorite movies and shows anywhere in the world.

    This won't necessarily stop people from trying to get bogus billing addresses to get around this, but that's the cre

  • So how do I go about setting up a home router with a VPN exit point, for my own personal use while traveling? I've seen some of the various *WRT and other router firmware packages with VPN servers, but I have never managed to get one to work. Couldn't tell if I was messing something up on the router, or on my laptop / mobile phone client, or it was some firewall I was hitting at my hotel or hotspot I was connected to (although my university's VPN usually would usually function properly, so I don't think t

  • I have firewalled dns as a security measure. One hack is to point someone at a foreign dns server bad guys control. So I guess I am off to another provider if they do this. Disappointing.

    • by ruir ( 2709173 )
      This https://www.dnsleaktest.com/wh... [dnsleaktest.com]. And indeed, some shady ISPs and a lot of corporations block DNS, this promises to be a lot of fun. oh, I cannot see my series anymore while on wifi in my lunch break. It also promises to be a very interesting "work-related" network ticket...
  • Cool, now slashdot runs adverts for the bad guys. Pay us and you will get your shiny files back. Very smart.
  • The problem is the whole concept of country codes, which was an attempt by local providers not to compete.

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