Microsoft Announces Office 2016 and Office For Windows 10 Coming Later This Year 148
An anonymous reader writes At its Windows 10 event yesterday, Microsoft unveiled the touch-optimized version of Office. Today, the company offered more details about that version, and then snuck in another announcement: the next desktop version is under development, it is called Office 2016, and it will be generally available "in the second half of 2015." Office for Windows 10 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote, and Outlook), meanwhile, is also slated to arrive later this year, though Microsoft has shared more about it and plans to offer a preview in the coming weeks. These new Office apps will be pre-installed (they will be free) on smartphones and small tablets running Windows 10. They will also be available to download from the Windows Store for other devices.
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Re:No! (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows 10 is Windows 8.1 with a Windows 7 Start Menu - it really isn't a big change, so think of it as SP3 (Windows 8.1 was SP1 for Windows 8, and Windows 8.1 Update was SP2). It will be a free upgrade for Windows 8 users, and - given that MS is finally taking its tablet market seriously - is likely to have efficiency improvements rather than bloat.
I'm still surprised how fast Windows 8.1 works on my low end HP Stream tablet - this isn't the company that brought you Vista any more.
(Of course, few'll take the Metro interface seriously until there is a method to sideload Metro apps on non-developer machines without shelling out $3000+ for a volume pack of licenses - most economic activity does not take place in enterprise or hobbyist markets, but among small businesses, and MS used to understand this.)
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wow. umm, I disagree.
I think Windows 10 is the most important release since I've been in IT (20 years).
It fundamentally changes what windows is and how users will access technology.
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What?
The primary change with Windows 10 seems to be that Microsoft has finally agreed with Apple that a desktop UI must be different from a tablet UI [as in, desktop mode and tablet mode].
Or maybe the idea that developers can create a single executable that can work equally poorly across a wide variety of device sizes [been there, done that, vast majority of developers either do the UI so it works well for one specific device size and crappy on all others, or so-of-ok across most device sizes]. Nothing abo
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It fundamentally changes what windows is and how users will access technology.
That's what Microsoft's been telling us about every new Windows release that has come along since ever. So far, the only thing that's changed is that bluescreens came into being, and then were hidden.
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I would say that Windows 8 is the version that tried to fundamentally change what Windows is. It was arguably the biggest change in the user interface since Windows 95, and the whole Metro thing is a whole different way of interacting with the computer. It of course flopped, and all that Windows 10 is (and to a lesser extent, Windows 8.1) is Microsoft making Windows look and act more like it how it was in WIndows 7.
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The New Office (Score:2)
Primary new feature is all the menu items have been switched around.
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Then don't. No one really needs office 2016 (or even office 2007. Office 2003 still works great, so stick to that if you have it, or if not, Google Docs and/or LibreOffice generally works well enough for home use.
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Lots of their customers use SharePoint which is a rather large innovation as compared with what your talking about in terms of Office Suites in areas like collaboration. SharePoint is very much like what CVS or GIT provide programmers but even richer.
Things haven't stayed the same, but where they changed the most is in areas that their bottom rung of users don't notice. By linking more tightly with SharePoint they can easily show how far ahead Office is of the other office suites.
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Not to drift too off-topic, but I noticed something WRT Sharepoint...
In most companies that I've seen, Sharepoint runs the company site that has all the HR and official corporate stuff (schedules, forms, etc), but that's it. Usually only one or two departments take their chunk of it even halfway seriously, while the rest put up some perfunctory content (if they even bother) and ignore it. Individual user content? Unless it's a multinational corp, you won't really see any of that, if at all.
Meanwhile, in the
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SharePoint has versioning for Office documents. Git can't meaningfully do that.
I agree the heavy office users tend to love SharePoint. My experience it is clerical. I've seen it be used heavily for Sales for example where PowerPoint versioning matters (huge collections of decks) or contract management systems are being used. For developers I've seen it used for project documentation (not program documentation). Though the heaviest users are developers who develop for Excel / Office extensions.
Re: No!- Libreoffice and sharepoint (Score:2, Insightful)
Looking at the release notes for libreoffice 4.4.0 coming out next week. Direct connections to sharepoint nad onedrive are supported. Checkin, Checkout and versioning.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Connection_to_SharePoint_and_OneDrive
http://mihai-varga.github.io/sharepoint-20102013-connection.html
http://mihai-varga.github.io/onedrive-connection.html
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People always go on about how wonderful LibreOffice (or whatever they're calling it these days) and Google Docs are. They're not. They can do the basics but they can't take the semi-pro market like Office can.
THIS! I once tried installing LibreOffice on my computer, and my computer self destructed! Melted the damn thing, Before that it inserted "fuck " instead of "and", in every letter I typed. the spreadsheet couldn't add 2+2, then my dog ran away, my wife left me, the lower 40 got accidenatlly planted in Monsanto corn and they sued me, and my milch cows went dry.
Actually, it has been a few years since I used Microsoft Office.
Have they solved the cross platform compatibility problems yet? Office isn't even compatible with iteself. Used to spend a lot of time repariing documents and PowerPoints on the Mac that got balled up when coming from the PC side.
If you are trading files between MS, MAC, and Linux systems, how does Microsoft Office do?
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LibreOffice has the potential to be fully cross-platform, and it would seem to me to be to Apple's benefit to make it seriously good. The reason iPhones and iPads were able to take off is that the web (and web standards) made it possible to do most of what you do with a computer without that computer having to run Windows. Macs have benefited from that - as well as the fact that the success of the iThings has accelerated the process.
A successful LibreOffice would be the next step toward making the second biggest use of computers cross-platform. In fact, Microsoft's last best hope for success in mobile lies in the fact that Windows tablets can be bundled with MSOffice. Yes, they're coming out with iOS and Android versions - but that's just a desparation move. The minute Windows mobile devices gain some traction (or the iOS/Android versions outlive their usefulness in some other way), the non-Windows versions will become second-class. But if Libre got really good - and became available (and successful) on mobiles - iOS devices would continue to be able to compete on the merits. You'd think Apple would want to help that happen. Are they still afraid of losing the official MSOffice for the Mac? Google seems to have a difference of opinion about where document processing should happen. Much as a full-featured office suite would make Android laptops a viable - and even attractive - alternative, that doesn't seem to be their priority (though their use of Open Document formats in their online apps is helpful).
Windows will continue to dominate in the business world. There's just way too much inertia there in terms of third-party apps. But mobile (and, yes, Chromebooks) have demonstrated that the general public doesn't need or particularly want it at home. A cross-platform, full-featured office suite would just solidify that trend.
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LibreOffice has the potential to be fully cross-platform, and it would seem to me to be to Apple's benefit to make it seriously good.
I do run a couple networks that consist of LibreOffice on Macs, Linux boxes, and a Windows machine.
LibreOffice is seamless across all three Os's. Which is more than I can say for PC to Mac in Microsoft Office.
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You must not be using a semi-recent MS Office, then. Office 2010 and beyond haven't given me any problems, besides occasionally not transferring embedded movies well (but that's more likely to be the fault of the computers I presented on).
Dunno. I stopped using Office after 2007. To me, continuing to use it would have been like the person who keeps going back to a spouse that beats them senseless a few times a week, but "has completely changed now", so goes back to get beat again.
The open office suites serve me well, and I have complete and full compatibility no matter what platform I am on. and more options. Considering they still have the Ribbon, I don't even consider MS Office at all.
I have zero need for Redmond's offerings.
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Microsoft has to come out with Android and iOS versions of Office. There's just too many Android and iOS users out there, and lots of them are going to do office-type things with them (works best with tablets with keyboards, and you can get lots of different keyboards nowadays). Apple puts office software on iOS devices by default. I haven't checked, but I don't think I can easily remove Keynote, Numbers, or Pages.
This means that lots of people are going to be using office-type software on their table
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Have they solved the cross platform compatibility problems yet? Office isn't even compatible with iteself. Used to spend a lot of time repariing documents and PowerPoints on the Mac that got balled up when coming from the PC side. If you are trading files between MS, MAC, and Linux systems, how does Microsoft Office do?
I use Office 2007 on Windows and Office for OSX on the Mac (Maverick). I write technical documents, using plenty of advanced formatting features, for publication using Word, and they render exactly the same in the office and Mac version. That's using the .docx format. So that seems to work well, anyway.
As far as Linux, there is no MS Office version, and Libre and related systems have formatting issues in both directions.
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Cross platform? They haven't even solved cross version.
People used to give me Word 2007 docs to correct. I had Word 2003. After two attempts I started asking for a hard copy that I'd scrawl on with a pen. They thought I was mad until I showed them; If I tried to do it on the 'puter the editing used to happen in a random location. I say random, the one place it didn't happen was where the cursor was.
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Cross platform? They haven't even solved cross version. People used to give me Word 2007 docs to correct. I had Word 2003. After two attempts I started asking for a hard copy that I'd scrawl on with a pen.
Adobe is known for that crap also.
Perhaps the Open Offices are more compatible with Office than Office is itself, looking at it again?
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Office-2003 may be okay for creating your own documents, but if people start emailing you 2013, or 2016 formatted? Will Office-2003 read those formats?
Office 2007 started the move into alternatives (Score:1, Informative)
I wonder, if Microsoft will produce anymore a desktop optimized version of Office and or Windows? Those Word screenshots look absolutely horrible. Are they really removing the existing features so that soon the Word is similar to Notepad? Why would I buy a office suite that does not have the features I use, or the features are hidden behind ten layers of ribbons? I bet on next version all the buttons are replaced with hamburger-button, perhaps even the text color is fixed to light gray, so the UX guys almos
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I wonder, if Microsoft will produce anymore a desktop optimized version of Office and or Windows?
Probably not. I think Microsoft is trolling their Office customers. I mean look at this:
These new Office apps will be pre-installed (they will be free) on smartphones and small tablets running Windows 10.
So they start a parade telling you its free and awesome, but then totally JK you by sticking it on a product that nobody actually buys. The tablet war is already over (tablet sales are dropping FAST) and nobody wants a Windows Phone except for Microsoft employees or die-hard fans.
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I found it kind of amusing that people were convinced the tablet craze was going to pan out any other way than it did the last time.
Remember the Palm Pilots? The Zire, when Palm realized that a Gameboy-like screen wasn't going to cut it any more? The Sharp Zaurus which could run Linux no less...where did they all go? In the trash bin, that's where. As it turns out there's a reason we're not still trying to type on postage-stamp sized screens like the Osborne 1, it isn't very pleasant. When Osborne announced
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The tablet war is already over (tablet sales are dropping FAST)
Yea, I wish that were the case. I've been looking for a Galaxy Tab 4 10 inch to replace my aging 9 inch android tablet the price on those things has been going up for the past few months.
Smaller tablet prices may be coming down, but that's because they're just the wrong size for anything. Too big for your pocket, but too little screen real estate for anything I can't do with my phone.
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My Nexus 7 fits in the front pocket of all of the pants I have (I never use my back pockets for anything.)
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I have all 3 - a laptop, a phone and a tablet.
Laptop I use for work, and also, for getting on the internet and participating on sites like this one. Phone, I use for calls and FaceTime, as well as for shopping lists, Yelp! and a few others. Tablet I use for books and watching videos. All 3 platforms I use for different games.
Also, since the laptop is not a Windows laptop, there are some apps, like WebEx, that I use on the tablet. In some cases, it saves me from the need to have Windows on the la
Re:Office 2007 started the move into alternatives (Score:5, Insightful)
Apparently the screenshots in the article are the full-screen "touch" versions. I'd expect the regular versions to have the full ribbons just like 2010 or 2013 (which I've actually grown to like, because they expose keyboard shortcuts for practically EVERYTHING).
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Except in Microsoft's recent pattern, FINDING those items is much more difficult and less intuitive. What was once a single-click to see all your options from 'View' (for instance), is now a "click and hope" funfest as you meander from ribbon to ribbon trying to come across what you're looking for.
The layouts are not intuitive, they have moved items from where they used to be, have buried items in sub-entries and it takes longer to accomplish what you want.
By any measure, that is not an upgrade no matter how many people wish it to be so.
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I remember the joys of Microsoft Office 2003 (and earlier).
It was great being able to select Paste Special from the Edit Menu and painstakingly selecting the options I wanted. It was so much more intuitive than clicking on the arrow under the paste and quickly selecting the appropriate option.
Or how it was easier to go into the formatting box when all you wanted to do was to increase or decrease the number of decimal places, compared to the modern way of simply using the correct button on the home tab.
If yo
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The layouts are not intuitive, they have moved items from where they used to be, have buried items in sub-entries and it takes longer to accomplish what you want.
By any measure, that is not an upgrade no matter how many people wish it to be so.
Except all the research shows that if what you say is true then you're an edge case for how you create documents. By all accounts most functions are actually one or more clicks closer to the surface now with context sensitive menus (ribbon), and functions popping up as a result of actions (highlighting, pasting, clicking on a table). You can say what you like but Microsoft is very good at tracking the number of clicks each task takes and all their UI efforts since windows XP has revolved around reducing the
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"look dummy, every single item you had access to with these cumbersome menus is available on screen"
That is most certainly not true.
A counter-example from Word 2010: "Kerning for fonts X Points and above" which is available in the advanced font dialog, as far as I could tell, cannot be added to the ribbon and is not there on a virgin install.
Which brings me to another point, why is there no search on the customize ribbon UI? Why did I have to select "All commands" and then scroll around stuff that started with "font..." and stuff that started with "kern..." to try to find this command?
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I'd just be happy if I could move the ribbon to the right or left side of the screen. So much real estate there and it doesn't get in the way. But nooooooo, fixed at the top of the screen so I can't see more of my document.
Re:Office 2007 started the move into alternatives (Score:5, Interesting)
Name one function that was removed since 2003. Just because learning something new is hard doesn't mean something was taken away.
My opinion maybe unpopular here with a large group of slashdotters but I actually hated the menu in Office 2003 and the silly menus to show more. My worst was the nested menus and options where I needed many mouse clicks to perform tasks.
The ribbon was talked about and was cool back then in 2004 when MS R&D showed what it could do. Then of course people who were set in their ways whinned when 2007 came out and it and now it is uncool here.
It took me 1 week back in 2007 to get the hang of it and yes I was a little frustrated at first. :-(
After 1 month I got it and preferred it over the menus. That was 6 years ago! Today when I go on a coworkers computer with Office 2007 with Outlook which still has menus I am stomped as I do not know where everything else. Does this mean it is now inferior because *I* do not know where something is?
With ribbons I can preview changes before I make select them. Keyboard shortcuts work better when I hit the alt key. Try it? Office on a laptop with no room with a mouse is so much better as a result with the alt key and the previews.
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You know, I like my steaks cooked medium well and I hate broccoli, but I don't blather on like a self-absorbed idiot telling everyone to get over their own personal preferences and adopt mine.
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But the OP comment was IT SUCKS because I DO NOT LIKE IT and therefore it is the same as notepad. Who is the self aborbed idiot?
R&D show people now use 80% of the functions of Office where before they used less according to Microsoft. This would show the ribbon was a success.
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You seem to have replied to the wrong poster there...
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Billy -
You are absolutely correct far more useful information shows up with the ribbon than with the menus. The number of menu items increased with the ribbons. Of course what Microsoft really needs to do is make the ribbon even more context sensitive and thus have many times more options than they did with standard menus and really take advantage of the medium. And I suspect that will happen with SharePoint and Azure's web enabled interconnections so that every web application managed though Azure can c
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Why go back to an old version of Office for that experience? Just install one of the main OSS competitors... it's like Word for Windows 2.0, but worse.
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My opinion maybe unpopular here with a large group of slashdotters but I actually hated the menu in Office 2003 and the silly menus to show more. My worst was the nested menus and options where I needed many mouse clicks to perform tasks..
I don't know about popularity, but it is uncommon.
Microsoft continually makes the mistake of thinking that the main objective in computing is learning new and supposedly improved ways of getting the computer to work.
Then you come along and declare anyone who doesn't like the changes as "set in their ways".
If the ribbon actually improved operation, hey, that would be great. Ever sit in a meeting room with 30 execs, and they spend more time futzing with the computer than making their presentation or ot
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Launchpad vs Metro is my biggest frustration. Launchpad is how Metro should have been. Sent from my Mac Mini.
I don't use it myself, but yeah, you're right. There are no specific program requirements for launchpad, you can fit a lot more programs on each screen, and it doesn't get in the way. All of which Metro fails at. But that actual choice is the best feature. Imagine a Mac User from say, system 6, magically transported to today. Sit him in front of a Mac running Yosemite.
In a few minutes, he'll be computing like a boss. First by teh menus, then maybe settling into to something he likes.
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My opinion maybe unpopular here with a large group of slashdotters but I actually hated the menu in Office 2003 and the silly menus to show more.
I agree. I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to, but the worst thing was that Microsoft actually had a feature where it would hide menu items that you didn't use often. So you haven't inserted a page break in a few months? Well that's disappeared now, and you have to click some button to "show more options" in order to find it. It wasn't so bad if you understood what was going on, but as an IT support professional, I absolutely hated it because I would regularly get phone calls from people com
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Couldn't you just have clicked on the buttons in the easily customizable toolbars?
Or are you only talking about the auto-hiding menu items that popped out after a delay, which is the first thing I turned off whenever I got a new computer/office install.
There is one big thing that has
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Name one function that was removed since 2003.
Microsoft removed the ability to "Insert from Scanner or Camera". For subsequent versions, the workaround [microsoft.com]is to scan to an image file on your computer, and then insert the saved image into the document, rather than scanning directly into the document as before.
The removal of this menu item annoyed a lot of people, including myself.
Re: Office 2007 started the move into alternatives (Score:2)
Nah. We just use SystemD now to do office work on Linux.
It just comes with a crappy startup daemon.
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Nah. We just use SystemD now to do office work on Linux.
It just comes with a crappy startup daemon.
I hate Microsoft Office and it's Ribbons. GOt me to switch to the Open Offices
I like systemd.
Which am II - luddite or accepting of change?
Hint, we sometimes accuse people who don't like something of being luddites because we like it. I like menus because it is a little more consistent when you work across a lot of different Operating systems and programs. I tend to use the menus more than keyboard shortcuts for the same reason.
I really support users having the option of what interface to use. Th
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So the toolbar icon for things like open, print, save, etc. shouldn't exist?
The issue of the ribbon showing nouns for things that represent actions has existed ever since the first toolbar was created. Toolbars display icons, and pressing the icon causes an action to occur.
Like or dislike the ribbon as you wish, but don't pretend it has broken new conceptual design. I like it, but given the trend to widescreen monitors, I wish they would have laid it out as a panel on the left side of the window, rather t
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My point is that the ribbon is just a glorified toolbar. People use toolbars all the time without being bothered by the noun/verb dichotomy, so the ribbon is no more difficult than a toolbar, which are utterly common UI elements. Add in the text on the ribbon, tooltips on the buttons, and grouping of similar functions, and I don't see the problem.
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Office 365 is not software per se, but a service that also happens to include software. It includes Office 2013, which surely will be updated to 2016 as soon as it is available. And as far as we can see, it has been and continues to be quite successful.
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They have always had a subscription model (Open Value Subscription) for corporations alongside full license purchase, Office 365 never changed that in the slightest - many companies out there prefer capital cost to subscription, as subscriptions cannot go on the books as assets while purchased licenses can.
Office 365 is more orientated toward the smaller business or home user that cannot afford or want to defer capital costs while using the software they want in the mean time. Anything above a few dozen us
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Near as I can tell, Office 2013 is exactly the same as the software Office365 subscribers are getting. I'd assume Office365 users just get auto-updated to Office 2016 as soon as it's released...
Re:huh?? (Score:5, Funny)
>> WTF happened to Office 365
It will be renamed "Office 362" when the statistics will show 3 days downtime per year :))))
Or perhaps "Office 363" on leap years :)
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>> WTF happened to Office 365
It will be renamed "Office 362" when the statistics will show 3 days downtime per year :))))
Or perhaps "Office 363" on leap years :)
And here I thought it would be named Office 6 to follow the Xbox 360 to Xbox One naming convention of subtracting 359 every major release.
"Free" as in "free lunch" (Score:5, Insightful)
These new Office apps will be pre-installed (they will be free) on smartphones and small tablets running Windows 10.
It's not free if you have to buy something else to get it. Just my 2 cents.
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Um yea...
I didn't see Microsoft file as a Not for Profit organization yet.
Right now Microsoft is just making sure existing customers don't jump ship, or worry about upgrading now, because the next OS will be out soon.
The (Desktop/Laptop) PC is no longer the sexy device (The area where Microsoft is king). However it is a big market and you don't want them to go off your platform soon, as they are your main bread and butter.
The (Tablet/Phones) Mobile Devices are the new trend however Microsoft is managing a
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I would say that they are included with the purchase of the device. To say they are free implies that I can get them at no cost without buying the hardware and possibly use them on some other device I already own.
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Only slashdot turns a gift (from MS) into something bad, you guys are trying to hard
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It's not really a gift, though, if one has to spend money to get it. Do you often fall for the "but if you buy now we'll throw in X..." deals thinking that X is completely free and not a planned part of the transaction?
Is This The No-Access Office? (Score:1)
I read that a forthcoming release of Office will eliminate Access Completely, and integrate all Access functions into Excel. Does anyone know if this will come about in the announced release?
In-App Purchases? (Score:3)
If this is going where I think it's going, Microsoft is going to give away the razor for free but charge you for the grammar checker. Then they'll be able to claim all those free users as customers to inflate their credibility.
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Microsoft has changed a lot in the recent past and the new guy at the top is very clearly different than the two previous guys at the top.
And yet, not clearly effectual
no more ALL CAPS & BLINDING WHITE (Score:2)
I have a 365 subscription and downgraded back to 2010 for that reason. I have an Asus gaming monitor which is very bright and it is like staring intensely at a florescent lamp with Office 2013.
Thank God color is back
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Ribbon (Score:1)
Oh no... (Score:1)
Windows 10 is not ready by a long shot. It's dysfunctional as hell as a product. It has a schizophrenia that is only getting worse and worse. Fuelled by the fact that Joe Belfiore doesn't seem to understand what people want from a desktop Windows... So go ahead Microsoft, release the Windows 10. Make year of the Linux on desktop happen sooner.
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Windows 8 would have been the year of Linux on the desktop, if the Gnome project hadn't decided to radically change their UI at the same time. It would have been easy to get people to switch to Gnome 2. But by inspiring every distro to jump ship for something else, at the crucial time when we really could have convinced people to switch, there was nothing fitting the (worthwhile+easy to use) categories to recommend.
We really were that close. I don't see us ever getting back to that, at this point. At le
Why do they take so long to load? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Why do they take so long to load? (Score:5, Informative)
Get an SSD - Word 2013 loads in under a second here.
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The standard, ages-old "fix" for bloating, slowing MS-ware: buy new hardware.
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Some people call it bloat, others call it adding features. You want fast the use Office 97, but good luck getting it to automatically interface with your OneCloud account let alone draw dynamic pivot tables which update based on selection drop downs within the spreadsheet.
My computer does more now. I expect it would need more processing power to do it at the same speed.
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On my 5 year old computer (Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 @ 2.33 Ghz, 4 Gigs Ram, Windows 8.1), Powerpoint 2007 opened from a cold start in just under 4 seconds. As another poster mentioned, the problem is your computer.
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What the heck is wrong?
You have completely hosed your computer and windows installation and it's time to format. No really, my dad's 10 year old computer loads word in about 10 seconds. You've done something VERY wrong.
Cut your losses and start over man.
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Then REALLY start over.
Microsoft did not reveal any upcoming features (Score:3)
"Microsoft did not reveal any upcoming features it is planning for Office 2016." Except changes in the formats to break everything again.
microsoft (Score:1)
Gee I wonder which (Score:2, Interesting)
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VBA is an abomination unto, well, everything. Stop using VBA.
Documents are meant to be static. Use a program to generate documents dynamically. That program can be written in whatever (real) language you choose. It can even take an earlier form of a particular document as input, and then overwrite it when it makes its output. But embedding that program into the document is stupid and terrible. VBA shouldn't be altered just enough to piss off its users. It should be scrapped entirely and the ex-users told th
Marketing (Score:2)
The marketing drones have won. Style triumphs over substance.
So nothing for business, everything for mobile? (Score:2)
Aero? (Score:2)
Ongoing frustrations with Office and Windows (Score:1)
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And as is my primary beef with MSCE etc.
Why does it matter where they are? Who cares? Anyone skilled in the use of the software - previous versions, similar programs, competitor's products - will know what they were after and once they have found it, they've found it "forever" in that version.
Rejigging the default isn't a problem. What's a problem is not having customisability. Why CAN'T I put the fucking mail-merge button into the toolbar I want, or assign it the keyboard shortcut I want? If you can't
It could fail. (Score:2)
I just fired up Win10 in my VM to remember if I'd missed anything about it. And no...still is not that great.
As others have said it is just a SP to Win 8/8.1 with a lesser version of the Win7 Start Menu. And to boot it looks pretty awful for desktop users still. The flat/square theme might look ok on a tablet, I would not know as I've yet to use it on such a device, but it is pretty bad compared to the Win7 theme.
Also lost functionality is the local backup system that went away in 8.1 and Media Center.
Optimized for Touch, just like Win8 (Score:2)
2016: Optimized for touch. Look, when you click somewhere an on screen keyboard pops up, you then conveniently click the letters you want to type with your mouse! It's super-easy! (Disclaimer: keyboards are disabled.)