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Latest Windows 10 Preview Build Brings Slew of Enhancements 214

Posted by Soulskill from the lots-to-break-and-lots-to-fix dept.
Deathspawner writes: Following its huge Windows 10 event last Wednesday, Microsoft released a brand-new preview build to the public, versioned 9926. We were told that it'd give us Cortana, Microsoft's AI assistant, as well as a revamped Start menu and updated notifications pane. But as it turns out, that's not even close to summing up all that's new with this build. In fact, 9926 is easily the most substantial update rolled out so far in the beta program, with some UI elements and integral Windows features seeing their first overhaul in multiple generations.
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  • meh (Score:4, Informative)

    by McGiraf ( 196030 ) on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:13PM (#48920805)

    meh

  • 9926 is so awesome (Score:3)

    by krkhan ( 1071096 ) on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:17PM (#48920827) Homepage
    We can't stop putting the same [slashdot.org] build [slashdot.org] on the front page.

    • S.O.P. for the New Improved Slashdot (a subsidiary of Dice Holdings, Inc.).

      They've still got a couple of Win10 posts to go in this round - last time it was (IIRC) 5 separate posts in 6 days.

  • Change for change's sake (Score:4, Insightful)

    by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:19PM (#48920831)

    Because people have been using largely the same UI for the last 19 years, and are used to it. Thats a good enough reason the screw it up isn't it.

    • Re:Change for change's sake (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @12:29AM (#48921175)

      Because people have been using largely the same UI for the last 19 years, and are used to it. Thats a good enough reason the screw it up isn't it.

      It is for Microsoft. If they don't make a new Windows release visually different in some significant way most people will see no reason to upgrade, which will make the product a commercial failure (or at least, not enough of a success to make Wall Street happy). Now, it's true, if Microsoft were do make a new version of Windows significantly faster performing and more secure then they might get a bunch of people on board even if it had the same interface as before, adding shiny to software is much less work than actually improving the product itself.

      • Re:Change for change's sake (Score:5, Interesting)

        by afidel ( 530433 ) on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @02:23AM (#48921581)

        The problem is the previous build was visually different while being MORE functional, this build is less functional if you have 19+ years of Windows experience. The previous build had the Windows 7 Start Menu with the addition of a live tiles dock area to the right, it added new useful functionality to the familiar and functional paradigm, the new build is basically a shrunk version of the Start Screen with all the crap that entails and which the majority of users have derided as being less functional on desktops (still the VAST, VAST majority of Windows machines). We had actually started plans for a Windows 10 rollout to our enterprise based on earlier tech preview builds, but those are now on hold and will be cancelled if they don't reverse the insanity. We can just keep using Windows 7 for the next 5 years.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by bmajik ( 96670 )

      Have you tried using Windows XP on a touch device?

    • Microsoft is being audacious in unifying the tablet and PC operating systems. The changes in Windows 8/Windows 10 is necessary to this end. Windows 7/Vista are painful with a touchscreen. I think we should recognize what Microsoft is trying to do is very daring. I don't see Android trying to reach the desktop (other than through the browser) and I don't see Apple unifying iOS and MacOS.

      I won't be surprised if we're all running full-blown Windows on our phones within five years. Processors keep getting small

      • I skipped Windows 8 and at this rate i'll skip Windows 10 as well.

        I was one of the guys who used Windows 2000 and Windows Vista. Still I just don't see what is the point of these changes. Windows 2000 had increased system stability with the NT kernel and Vista at least had proper 64-bit architecture support. Windows 7 is Vista without the warts. But Windows 10 seems like a pointless waste of time on a desktop.

        Smartphone processors are probably going to hit a brick wall on the next year. Apple and Qualcomm a

  • "This is a full build, and it will be installed as an in-place upgrade, so you’ll go through those colorful “installing your apps” screens again. This is because your account is being re-provisioned after the upgrade."

    So you lose your current OS, not being able to install it elsewhere.

    "You’ll notice that there is not a separate “Check Now” button here. This is because the button to check for WU updates now also checks for new builds."

    I don't see any problems here... Unles

    • Take a backup if you are so precious about your current OS, it even tells you how in the Insider documentation - enough has changed that they have to migrate the user account stuff, so that gives an indication of how different things are now.

      And yes, you can select your updates, just like before.

      • Take a backup if you are so precious about your current OS, it even tells you how in the Insider documentation - enough has changed that they have to migrate the user account stuff, so that gives an indication of how different things are now.

        And yes, you can select your updates, just like before.

        I don't wish to be "stuck" with Win10 as it's going subscription after a year free. I'm used to dual booting always have, it allows a choice.

        Should be a way do this (EasyBCD), I'll figure it out (not asking).

        Thanks for the update on the updates. :)

        • I don't wish to be "stuck" with Win10 as it's going subscription after a year free.

          Where did you get that information from? I saw they are going to charge for it after the first year and that they will obviously charge OEMs for it so they can make money but I didn't see anything about "subscription".

  • Ugly as it can be? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cpotoso ( 606303 ) on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:29PM (#48920887) Journal
    Ugly as it can be? All decoration gone? Why does everybody have to copy Apple? I understand copying when it is beautiful, but apple is now engaged in making computer graphics look like an X11 system from the 1980s and everybody else is following suit. Awful... truly awful.

    • Yea, at least give an option of having either the classic look or the Windows 7 basic look. But then it wouldn't look like a tablet interface and not as modern. The look the primary reason for my hatred of Windows 8. I can get Start menu by using classic shell, I cannot get a proper interface though.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

        Windows 7 !!! I want the Windows 2000 functionality and I have it with Classic start menu.

    • It's creating a common skin for phone, tablet and workstation.

      modern day ARM GPUs have enough 3D acceleration for eye candy. Simpler rendering conserves battery life, perhaps.

      • They made that argument for Windows 8, and one could conceivably buy that argument for the Metro UI running on very low-powered devices, as MS phones often are. However, there's no conceivable reason to skin your traditional Windows applications in the same way, which are obviously going to be running on desktops and laptops. For a modern GPU, whether or not they're rendering a transparent windows or rounding a border isn't even remotely a concern in terms of efficiency.

        No, I think this is an aesthetic de

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by bondsbw ( 888959 )

      If you can't see the difference between X11 [sourceforge.net] and Yosemite [arstechnica.net], I'm just going to ignore the rest of what you have to say on the subject of graphics.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by cpotoso ( 606303 )
        Indeed, Yosemite is a lot worse. A colorful background and then buttons that can't be distinguished from other UI elements, grey letters over grey background? Sure... give me X11 any time.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by bondsbw ( 888959 )

          Wait, you said they look alike. Now you are touting the differences. Which is it?

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by bondsbw ( 888959 )

          buttons that can't be distinguished from other UI elements

          In the X11 graphic, I see at least 4 different button visuals:

          - thin border with shadow
          - bold border with no shadow
          - 3D-style border
          - buttons without any border (menu buttons)

          And text entry uses a 3D-style border just like some of the buttons.

          How exactly is this better?

    • Re:Ugly as it can be? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Dutch Gun ( 899105 ) on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @12:45AM (#48921263)

      Sigh... I absolutely agree about the conclusion. But it's a stretch to say this trend is copying Apple. Windows 8 came out long before Apple's new "flat" look came out, unless I'm aware of a trend that started before that in the Apple camp.

      Seriously, though, I'm already completely sick of this "flat, clean, simple" trend. But more importantly, the usability is often worse, sacrificed on the alter of the new aesthetic. In the new design language, button borders are uncool, so they've simply done away with them in many cases, and don't offer any indications of what you can click, or where clickable regions are. Windows 8 was particularly bad with this, so we'll see if Windows 10 does any better, despite using the same basic theme. I understand that aesthetics are important, but they should always, always, always take a back seat to functionality and usability.

      With any luck, after a few years, when everyone else gets sick of flat, uninspired graphics, someone will create a new, "retro" look and start adding some bevels, gradients, gloss, and transparency back into the UI.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) *

        I think Google started it. Makes sense for web stuff because instead of wasting bandwidth on a button image you just have a flat shaded HTML element. At any rate, Google's web apps started going that way long before either Apple or Windows 8 did.

        I think it's mostly fine, the only big issue being that some designers don't make buttons stand out enough. The calculator app in TFA is the worst, with no indication of where the buttons are except for their captions. Apple made Yosemite look very washed out too wh

      • But it's a stretch to say this trend is copying Apple. Windows 8 came out long before Apple's new "flat" look came out, unless I'm aware of a trend that started before that in the Apple camp.

        Nah - I think the "skeuomorphism considered harmful" movement comes from form-over-function graphic design numpties who were tired of actual content, meaning or useful visual cues for functionality polluting their minimalist design and stealing valuable screen area that could be used for whitespace, irrelevant generic images of shiny happy people or corporate identity guff. It was showing up on websites etc. (Slashdot's Bucking Feta was fairly late to the party) long before Apple went flat. Google have bee

      • I pray to the gods that the Windows UI designers read your comment and decide to undo this madness. Microsoft are determined to have a unified interface between desktop, tablet and phone and will cause the desktop to be less useful and harder to use if necessary.

    • Re:Ugly as it can be? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Dutchmaan ( 442553 ) on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @02:30AM (#48921599) Homepage

      "Why does everybody have to copy Apple?"

      As far as UI goes, Apple has been taking cues from Android for years. Remember Apple was all about glossy rounded icons before Android's flat and efficient become trendy.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • I'll stick with linux, however.

  • Comment removed (Score:3, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:37PM (#48920925)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • Re:Have some! (Score:5, Informative)

      by corrosive_nf ( 744601 ) on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:53PM (#48921009)
      Right click on the task bar.
      Select the "Search" option.
      You'll now see three new options for what to do. To make it go away altogether hit "Disabled."

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by PRMan ( 959735 )
        Thanks for this. I couldn't find any way to remove it. I never thought to look in the in-retrospect-obviously-named Search option.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by PRMan ( 959735 )
      I upgraded from Windows 7 and I didn't put cloud info in at all and it's working just fine.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) *

        When you install Windows 8, if the machine is connected to the internet it will ask for a Microsoft ID. You can't seem to skip it either, or at least I couldn't find a way to. You can remove it later, or just disconnect from the internet when booting for the first time.

        I have not tried Windows 10 so I don't know if you can skip it now, or if you have to disconnect still.

        • They hid it beneath a scroll bar. You have t o click the 'make an account' where it looks like yo uare going ot enter your MS info. If you scroll down that page, it will offer how to make a local account. Its so fucking shady.
      • Yes, but MS makes it hard to even make a local account by deliberately hiding the button under a scroll. This isnt the first time they have discouraged users from making local accounts. At least in Win 8 the option was visible without scrolling.
    • Yep MS always pushes the option they dont want you to take below a scroll. They did the EXACT same thing with Games for Windows Live. If you wanted to make a local account, you had to scroll to see it.

  • Nice (Score:3)

    by denisbergeron ( 197036 ) <[DenisBergeron] [at] [yahoo.com]> on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:44PM (#48920961)

    Now we have Google Now and Google design in windows without the quality of Google search.

  • God, what drivel ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @11:46PM (#48920969) Homepage

    We were told that it'd give us Cortana, Microsoft's AI assistant

    OK, I'll preface this with a "get off my lawn" to get it out of the way.

    But I have to say, I have precisely zero interest in this. The more I read TFA, the more I cringe.

    After setting Cortana up, which involves telling her your name, and adjusting some other minor settings, sheâ(TM)ll be good to go. If the respective option is enabled, sheâ(TM)ll always listen out for âoeHey, Cortanaâ, at which point your question can be asked. In the example below, I asked, âoeHey, Cortana. Could you please show me the weather?â, at which point she queried the Internet and spit back the accurate info â" without me having to state a specific location.

    Talking to Cortana is finicky at best. After stating âoeHey, Cortanaâ, Iâ(TM)ve found that Iâ(TM)ve either had to keep talking right away to be heard, or have her say, âoeHey, Robâ and then me have to click the microphone icon again to speak. It seems some thresholds need to be adjusted, because in the current implementation, itâ(TM)s easier to avoid potential hassle and just go find such information online.

    I don't want my fucking computer to feel like it's on a first name basis with me. I don't want to talk to it. I don't want my computer constantly listening to and parsing everything I say. I sure as shit don't want that crap integrated with an ad platform.

    If I want to see the weather, I'll go to the tab I keep open with the weather.

    This is a bunch of dreck I can't see myself wanting to use, which is mostly a "make pretend" version of AI which is at best a shortcut to search. I don't see the value in voice commands -- in fact, I see great nuisance in it (like in Offices, or just everywhere).

    This sounds like an OS which is heavily focused on "teh social" integration with XBox, with the new lame-ass crayon interfaces Microsoft seems partial to, and a bunch of dorky features which seem like they're trying too damned hard.

    I don't see any of these features being useful, I see them as being pointless eye candy, which is full of gimmicks I don't see myself using in the long run -- in fact, I see me disabling as many as possible.

    I'm afraid Microsoft's "vision of the future" is a glimpse into hell. At least half of those features sound like shit which will slow down the machine and add zero benefit.

    Now, seriously, get the fuck off my damned lawn.

    • I've never ever ever got on with voice commands. Whether it is on a desktop or my phone. If we take this one "Hey Cortana", firstly I never say Hey to anyone. It is just not a work I use so that feels bad enough. But next, how do you pronounce Cortana.

      Just no.

      As an aside - why is everything so flat these days?

      • How sensitive is this? Will it come on if I'm watching TV and a MS ad comes on where they say "Hey Cortana"?

    • I don't want my fucking computer to feel like it's on a first name basis with me. I don't want to talk to it. I don't want my computer constantly listening to and parsing everything I say. I sure as shit don't want that crap integrated with an ad platform.

      While I get it, and I understand... it is the future...

      Just not in the current version...

      I've played around with Siri on my iPhone, it works, sort of, most of the time...

      It needs to work all the time and be smarter... but it will get better...

      The "vision" is the way people talk to the computer on Star Trek: TNG. It won't happen in 5 or 10 years, but I think we'll see that within our lifetimes...

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Megol ( 3135005 )

        But why would anyone want a Star Trek system? It is just something that looks good, not something that is efficient or practical for the real world.

        Voice control and dictating etc. have valid uses but only for a few specific cases. General computer use isn't one of them.

        • :) You have to think bigger... to when computers are smarter and we no longer need to sit in from of them as often...

          Like I said, we aren't there, and we won't be in 5-10 years... This is long term stuff...

          Consider... The Apple Newton was really just a VERY early iPad... But it flopped because the technology and supporting infrastructure wasn't there yet. 15 years later and it was... It needed Wi-Fi, flash memory, Internet everywhere, touch screens, new batteries, low power CPUs, etc.

          • Don't know about that. PDAs sold pretty well back then. They basically got subsumed into the smartphone market but they were not a flop.

            Also one of the first things Steve Jobs did when he got back into Apple was to kill the Newton. NIH Syndrome.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by bmajik ( 96670 )

      You know, you're right. Nobody should ever try anything new with voice interaction. We should leave that shit off because its buggy or only knows how to do web searches based on bad guesses.

      We shouldn't spend any time putting this stuff in front of users and learning what works well, what doesn't work, what people like, what they don't like. God forbid we try and see if there are ways to integrate it with how people currently use computers.

      Instead, what we should do is wait until the 23rd century, when w

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dave420 ( 699308 )
      No one is forcing you to use it. Don't use it, and then you won't feel compelled to complain about an option you can easily ignore.
  • It's still a EUFI-using, Bing-infested, hybrid online/offline account nightmare from the depths of hell though. I don't give a flying fuck about some UI enhancements until that BS is dealt with.

    • It's still a EUFI-using

      Even Linux Mint performs an UEFI installation (with an amateurish boot entry called "ubuntu" in lowercase letters).

  • Not the review I wanted. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @01:31AM (#48921411)

    What I want to know about is performance. I don't care about the changes in explorer, taskbar, or start menu. I don't need them I use Directory Opus.

    Here is what I'd like to know about.

    CPU Usage of system processes 7/8 vs 10
    Memory usage 7/8 vs 10
    Services performance 7/8 vs 10
    Load times
    Thread performance/handling/optimization
    Memory leaks
    Page file performance
    Virtual memory management upgrades?
    Indexing performance

    I feel like I visited an art gallery, but instead of talking about the pictures they talk about the plumbing. Well in reverse at least O_o..

    • I feel like I visited an art gallery, but instead of talking about the pictures they talk about the plumbing. Well in reverse at least O_o..

      So, could we say it's like you visited a plumbing store, and they only wanted to discuss the pictures on the wall?

  • Seriously. Are mostly-empty SQUARES *really* the best way to organize program launchers in a desktop menu system?

    I'd be MUCH happier if they implemented the ability to convert the launchers to bars (see example image, note, I know it's just a crude mockup).

    http://www.evilnet.net/Windows... [evilnet.net]

    I'd be able to pack more useful programs into the launcher window and have less wasted screen real estate. Seriously, with those Duplo squares, you have an icon, a little text, and roughly 60+% space wastage.

    Why? This s

  • Wow so negative here (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @02:00AM (#48921511) Journal

    Yes this is a Linux oriented site yada yada.

    But why so strong resistance to change on a technology site of all places? Does anyone else find this weird? Never in my wildest dreams would I picture slashdot turn into +5 comments with "CHANGE FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE etc" I ask because I am curious and wonder if I am alone? You would not expect to see comments in a fashion oriented blog like "NEW LOOK FOR THE SAKE OF NEW LOOKS" be posted as an example.

    It kind of saddens me a little bit as we computer geeks came here because we love technology and like to have new new things. Now that is uncool and I have seen it become more prevalent in other articles. Is it age or just scarred from experience?

    What happened?

    Anyway my unbiased 2 cents ...

    I think this would be a good upgrade for a notebook or tablet. Much improved battery life and the ability to run Netflix and Hulu on the road is really cool. As long as the applets are not like Windows 8 and I can do work too I am fine if they can integrate.

    For the desktop? I see little reason to upgrade. Windows 7 works fine. However for those reading my previous paragraphs I do not hate 10. I just think it offers little value besides enhanced security over 7. I probably will upgrade next fall after it stabilizes since the upgrade is free.Now if I bought a new computer with it on it I would not downgrade it. Can't say the same with Windows 8.1 though :-)

    On my i7 4770k I have to say I find it faster and more responsive than 7. It was surprisingly stable with just 1 bug with nvidia if I do the dual screen 4k hack to stretch it. A MUST if you already ahve 8.

    It is nice modest upgrade for desktop users and a BIG upgrade for mobile users.

    • Re:Wow so negative here (Score:4, Insightful)

      by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @08:09AM (#48922747) Journal

      What happened?

      I'm guessing that people got fed up with churn and started to realise that change for its own sake is annoying. Getting irritated at having to get used to a new system AGAIN that does things worse in many cases is not unreasonable. Being fed up with churn is not the same as fearing change.

      Personally, I like to see "change" actually make things better, because if it doesn't then why bother with the change? And if it makes things worse, then WTF?

      A lot is just uninspiring and meh. Going from flat to bevelled to bulbousd and back to flat (hello Athena!) user interface elements is just a huge meh. I mean sure, now they're coloured and antialiased and with nice fonts and whetever, but I really can't feel myself getting excited about "flat" design. Actually, personally I think it's a bit of a usability regression becase it's harder to explain to people which the active user interface elements are.

      Change where it's an improvement I like. I like large, high res screens. I like running a modern kernel with all the new power saving features and better, newer filesystems and so on and so forth. I tend to run recentl builds of tools I like like vim and mplayer because the changes make them better than the old version. I keep promising myself I'll finally switch from Xterm to Terminology, but I can't get some of the features to work properly at the moment.

      All those things, all those changes have made stuff better. On the other hand, I still run FVWM2. I've tried more modern things, but they all seem to make things worse in interesting ways. I've still adopted some changes, however which make it more modern.

      I think there are quite a few people here with similar opinions to me. Another example: the reason that tablet stuff coming to laptops is bad is because a lot of the UI stuff is designed around single, non cooperating, full screen apps. I don't want that, not because I fear change, it's because I changed AWAY from it in the 90s and I have no desire to go back to the bad old days. I remember what it was like all too well (and my phone just keeps on reminding me). What I fear is being dragged back to something I know from experience is inferior.

    • I, for one, like new things if, and only if, they are an improvement over the old things. That's why I use a computer in the first place: to improve my life and make things easier. Anything that gets in the way of that gets the vitriol poured on.

      For something as fundamental as the UI, I have a substantial investment in the old way of doing things. Throwing that away means I have to start learning again, and it'll take a while to get up to the same speed I had with the old UI. This is all wasted time, so the

    • But why so strong resistance to change on a technology site of all places? Does anyone else find this weird? Never in my wildest dreams would I picture slashdot turn into +5 comments with "CHANGE FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE etc" I ask because I am curious and wonder if I am alone? You would not expect to see comments in a fashion oriented blog like "NEW LOOK FOR THE SAKE OF NEW LOOKS" be posted as an example.

      Probably because this is a technology site, and not a fashion site. Fashion love change for change's sake - that's why they parade around on catwalks with ridiculously impractical things like dresses made of cutlery, and someone who wears a side of beef to an event is the centre of attention.

      Technology isn't about change, it's about progress. Progress involves change, but just because it's change doesn't make it progress. Change for change's sake is inane. Tell us how the change makes things *better* and we

  • Polishing the brass on the Titanic (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Art3x ( 973401 ) on Wednesday January 28, 2015 @04:53AM (#48922015)

    Cortana is probably a new and better Clippy. But besides that, the rest seems like polishing the brass on the Titanic.

    New folder icons? I remember visiting gnome-look.org for the first time ten years ago and being blown away: page after page of themes, icon sets, etc.

    Start menu tweaked again? Why is this so hard? And it still looks awkward to me. Program names are inside squares, instead of just being text items in a list. Or small squares at least, like the launcher in Chrome OS.

    I've used Mac since 1984, Windows since 95, and Linux since '05. I've either not minded or actually liked all of the iterations of program launching in Mac and Linux. But I have never, never, like the Windows Start menu.

    Let's start with the word Start, which is where you go to Shut Down. Makes sense. And while it was a little more straightforward than today's shenanigans, it wasn't exactly pleasant to dig through. Plus, I was always stymied by why Windows took several seconds sometimes to me just trying to open the submenu --- not launch a program, just open a folder within the Start menu to see what's in there. It's like Windows was going to the bathroom, and I had to wait for it to finish even to answer a simple question.

    And then there was the My everything fiasco, where Documents became My Documents, Computer became My Computer, and so on.

    There is the trash can that they still won't default to the bottom right, because if you ever resize the screen, it messes up the position, since Windows calculates everything as the number of pixels from the top left, apparently. So they put the trash can in the top left. This never looked right to me. A trashy-looking thing like a trash can should be in a minor part of the screen (bottom right) even if they call it a Recycle Bin. The Macintosh somehow figured out how to do this 30 years ago.

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