Police Stations Increasingly Offer Safe Haven For Craigslist Transactions 145
HughPickens.com writes: Lily Hay Newman reports at Future Tense that the police department in Columbia, Missouri recently announced its lobby will be open 24/7 for people making Craigslist transactions or any type of exchange facilitated by Internet services. This follows a trend begun by police stations in Virginia Beach, East Chicago and Boca Raton. Internet listings like Craigslist are, of course, a quick and convenient way to buy, sell, barter, and generally deal with junk. But tales of Craigslist-related assaults, robberies, and murders where victims are lured to locations with the promise of a sale, aren't uncommon. Also, an item being sold could be broken or fake, and the money being used to buy it could be counterfeit.
"Transactions should not be conducted in secluded parking lots, behind a building, in a dark location especially when you're dealing with strangers. Someone you've never met before – you have no idea what their intentions are – whether they have evil intent or the best of intentions," says Officer James Cason Jr. With surveillance cameras running 24 hours a day, plus the obvious bonus of a constant police presence, meeting in the lobby of the police department can help weed out people trying to rip others off. "People with stolen items may not want to meet at the police department," says Bryana Maupin.
"Transactions should not be conducted in secluded parking lots, behind a building, in a dark location especially when you're dealing with strangers. Someone you've never met before – you have no idea what their intentions are – whether they have evil intent or the best of intentions," says Officer James Cason Jr. With surveillance cameras running 24 hours a day, plus the obvious bonus of a constant police presence, meeting in the lobby of the police department can help weed out people trying to rip others off. "People with stolen items may not want to meet at the police department," says Bryana Maupin.
Do the cops (Score:3)
Take a cut?
Re:Do the cops (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would they? It's a lot cheaper for them to be in the building where they normally are than cleaning up after a crime has been committed. Plus it's an opportunity to look good.
A single incident can cost a lot more for them than just having an officer on hand when the transaction takes place. It's not like they're checking IDs and doing background checks here.
The point is to get them into the police station to at least weed out the career criminals that the cops already know about when possible.
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Now we just need to pass a law stating that a duty is to be collected on all such in-person transactions with random strangers organized over the internet in order to help fund law enforcement protection.
If law enforcement is present, they should collect a percentage of the transaction with a minimum $5 transaction fee, before goods or money are allowed to change hands.
If law enforcement is not present and the transaction is done on the seller's property, the tax should be a minimum of $30 transaction
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Will beatdowns still be free of charge?
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Of course not - nothing's free. And if the police officer executes you, your family will be billed for the bullet (as is the norm in statist utopias).
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Your family will be billed for the bullet (as is the norm in statist utopias).
How about if they don't execute you, then $30/Night will be due for your Prison stay, and $60/Night for Jail; $30 Extra for solitary confinement.
All fees due required to be paid before perm. release, even after sentence expires.
Possible release under probation/house arrest with additional fees, providing you are working to make sufficient $$$ to cover your outstanding debt.
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Were you joking? Jails in many cities in California now require you to pay for your stay, unless you want to be shipped to a state prison instead. We're not quite the statist utopia yet, but Cali comes close.
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Jails in many cities in California now require you to pay for your stay
At least if you don't like the accommodations, you can pay a little extra [time.com] for an upgrade [nytimes.com].
Re:Do the cops (Score:5, Informative)
A single incident can cost a lot more for them than just having an officer on hand when the transaction takes place. It's not like they're checking IDs and doing background checks here.
I doubt they even have an officer on hand. I live in Columbia and I know which lobby they are talking about. It's a small room at the
entrance to the police headquarters. It's basically a small concrete room with several cameras. The only thing in the room is a teller
window (which will presumably be closed) and a couple doors leading elsewhere. There is probably an alarm button too which would
definitely get someone there in a hurry (as that is their main station where they park their cars so someone is always there).
It's a good move as it basically costs them nothing. I'm actually surprised that it wasn't already open 24/7. The lobby of our post
office across the street I'm pretty sure is already open 24/7. The only real reason not to keep it open 24/7 is to prevent vandalism
but you would have to be pretty stupid to go and try to vandalize a police station full of cameras even if noone was present.
When I've done craigslist transactions, I've always met at a bank or a gas station as I know both have security cameras but if you're
really worried, the police station is better, and as the article mentions, just by the location it should reduce illegal and stolen transactions
as very few criminals would be comfortable selling something stolen in a police station.
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> I doubt they even have an officer on hand.
I doubt you have a current understanding of how police stations work. They usually have one desk sergeant, behind a counter. This is to clear fix it tickets and take statements or escalate.
Yes, during normal business hours, but this location previously wasn't open 24/7 and my guess
is that now that the room is open 24/7 that doesn't mean that you can pay your parking fines
24/7 but rather that the lobby is open 24/7 but they just close the teller window now instead of
the whole building.
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It would not hurt for the police at those locations to sponsor the presence of applicable approved charities. People are there, they are making a safe transaction and they can in return a bit to the community by supporting what ever charity has been cleared by the police. Creating more social roles for the police along with dropping the misnomer "Law Enforcement" will help to rebuild relations with the public. The first role for a police officer, basically someone who is meant to act as an exemplary citize
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Not yet, but expect 5-10% protection fees in the future.
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No, they just confiscate the illegal goods from transactions and then sell/use them themselves. Same as when they make drug busts.
Not so much the drugs as the cars and cash that people had when they may or may not have been transporting drugs.
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So ...just like the United States, then?
Making their lives easier... (Score:4, Insightful)
... for civil asset forfeiture.
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Like pennies from heaven!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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That segment was well done but the Law & Order parody at the end was amazing.
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Those were the real thing. At first I thought they were going to use clever editing to work their comedy into snippets from the show.
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... for civil asset forfeiture.
How much is the fine officer?
How much you got?
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That would work. Pouring lead into weapon's barrel is a very efficient way if disabling it.
Sure it's safe (Score:1)
Unless you happen to be black. If so, better be careful when getting out your wallet to make a purchase.
Genius Idea (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Genius Idea (Score:5, Insightful)
It sounds like a great idea. A safe place for people to go to etc... I hope the idea spreads to other countries. The police (in many countries) do want to be seen as part of the community because they are (or should be). Its why the police (in many countries) try to do so called promotional community initiatives etc.., because they are a part of the community (and are suppose to be) there to protect the community. (Unfortunately the police are (in many countries) all too often caught between community and politicians (who really work against the community because they want to control it). So the police are faced with two conflicting goals. The goal of being there to protect the community, and the goal the politicians want them to be, which all too often is subvert the police into being their private army to suppress and control political dissenters and the community in general).
The more the police stand up for and are part of the community (in every country) the better for all of us. (Of course the politicians (in every country) won't like that (at least hidden from us behind our backs they won't like it, so to speak), but hey, the politicians claim to represent us or at least the politicians claim to represent us when they want us to vote them back into power. (Although the only ones who truly give the appearance of completely believing that any more, are the ones who secretly seek to gain from getting a group of politicians into power).
Anyway, the more the police move away from the politicians and are truly on the side of the community the better for all of us. We need the police to feel more a part of the community, because they need to feel better able to standing up to protect the community. So this helpful move by the police sounds like a great idea.
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Agreed, great idea! In my city last year we had a terrible case where a gentleman was interested in purchasing a car. He was home with his family and stepped out of the house to meet a potential craigslist seller and take a "5 minute test drive". The police/city began a massive search but the leads were thin and his body was recovered a little later and the murderers were found and charged.
Holding the transactions at a station isn't only good in the sense of the transaction that day; it also creates a re
Craigslist Killers (Score:3, Interesting)
Great idea. Working through my backlog of WIRED magazines and was only reading about the bizarre case of the Craiglist Killers last night.
http://www.wired.co.uk/magazin... [wired.co.uk]
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There are other venues available for those wishing to meet & kill a stranger, even down to every local paper's classified section, though those numbers would be slightly more difficult to compile.
Though you shouldn't bet on it, as there are some thinking-challenged folks out there stealing for fun and profit, most criminals would avoid the police station for any transaction possible. Generally they have bad me
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It's amazing that you've managed to check up on every hookup, prostitute/escort transaction, car sale, etc. and verified the exact number of murders that have occurred related to craigslist transactions.
Please share with us how you do it. It will make the world a safer place when everyone can pitch in on those days when you're feeling a bit under the weather and can't quite manage to keep up with the 80+ million posts per month on craigslist.
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Sure there are likely people who disappeared that were never noticed but probably not thousands.
In comparison police officers killed over 1,100 just in 2014.
https://www.facebook.com/Kille... [facebook.com]
http://www.fatalencounters.org... [fatalencounters.org]
Even if the police were 95% accurate
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Point? So the police *shouldn't* trade goods in the station, or you wouldn't go there because you find it safer to do the exchange an a back alley somewhere?
Wow (Score:3)
This is great. This is the sort of thing a safety force should be doing. I hope more police organizations will consider actually providing useful public services like this!
Interesting Development (Score:2)
Such police guarded "flee market" is only necessary if you have to assume that it is very common that people try to rip you off.
How broken must a country be that the police has to provide something like that? That implies that you generally cannot trust anybody (beside the police). For a society which requires cooperation and trustworthiness to function, this is a big crisis. And you should fix it. However, it might be helpful that the police tries to provide grounds where such trust can be developed, again
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You are remarkably naive to think that this represents something 'new' in any society.
Those cave pictures withe the hands and the animals - perhaps you thought they represented something philosophically interesting. Perhaps a statement of early man's domination over his environment. A way for the artist to identify his painting.
No, it was more likely that that Ogg was stating something along the lines of 'My horses! My ungulates! Keep your furry paws away from my stuff you Neanderthal!"
Those who do not
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Trust is a required ingredient for any business. While it is true that in human history not everyone has behaved trustworthy. Otherwise we would not have ever required something like police and laws and regulations. It is also true that a certain amount of trust is necessary. For example, on a flee market (as an IRL type of craiglist) people can trade goods in the open and normally you don't get ripped off. When we sell items over ebay 'small ads' people normally come by and pic it up and from personal expe
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"Trust is a required ingredient for any business." No it isn't. I can and have made business dealings with no thought of trusting my opposite at all. That's what contracts are all about.
I would disagree, you would be a fool to enter into a business relationship with someone you do not have at least a bit of trust in. The contract gives you some potential way of recovering some of your costs if things go bad, and raising the cost to both parties in behaving badly, but the contract doesn't really protect you from someone really trying to rip you off. You need to trust: that they are who they say that they are; that you will be able to find them afterwards if things go badly; that they will e
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What a contract is best at is laying things out so everybody knows what's expected and it's clear who'd win any lawsuit. If you have to actually file suit, you've lost on that transaction, because even if you win and are awarded what you ask for plus attorney's fees, and you even manage to collect in full, you've been through a lot of hassle and stress.
If you don't trust somebody even a little, doing business with a contract is still a bad idea. If you think the other guy will mostly stick to the contr
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Its a country where everyone can do whatever the hell they want short of stealing at gunpoint, rape and murder, and get away with it. If you're not happy, you're told to "grow a thicker skin". Pretty much anyone from anywhere can come in and live there. If you think that's wrong, you're racist. Anything goes in the name of religion. Anything goes in the name of money. This is the place where when in Mass, they realized the law didn't stop people from taking upskirt pictures, and the law was changed, a seisa
Does This Include Sexual Trasactions? (Score:1)
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable doing it in the police station lobby.
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but I can see other other firms and venues piggybacking on this if it becomes widespread.
Great idea, but... (Score:2)
I wonder if there will unintended consequences.
You can't easily sell large items in the cop shop lobby.
If you owned a vehicle large enough to haul them and were willing to put up with the headache of having to lather, rinse, repeat in dealing with the usual cast of Craigslist tire-kickers and last-minute hagglers and their manifold gimmicks for trying to pay less than the previously agreed price you maybe could haul the items to the cop shop and use their premises for the exchange.
But I'd wager most people
It's Not Just Craiglist (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's Not Just Craiglist (Score:4, Informative)
Just like the Korean DMZ!
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How sad that this is needed!
Sold my car on Craigslist (Score:5, Interesting)
Had the buyer meet me in the lobby of my bank, transaction was in cash. Called my insurance agency before the guy test drove the car and had him leave the money with me. When the deal was done I deposited the cash, sent a CYA email to the insurance agency cancelling as of that time and date, went out, pulled the tags, tossed the dude the keys. Sketchily, he whipped out some Delaware tags (we were not in Delaware and he said he was from a different state but this was not my problem) and drove away. Seemed like a pretty safe way to do business.
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Had the buyer meet me in the lobby of my bank, transaction was in cash. Called my insurance agency before the guy test drove the car and had him leave the money with me. When the deal was done I deposited the cash, sent a CYA email to the insurance agency cancelling as of that time and date, went out, pulled the tags, tossed the dude the keys. Sketchily, he whipped out some Delaware tags (we were not in Delaware and he said he was from a different state but this was not my problem) and drove away. Seemed like a pretty safe way to do business.
Sounds pretty paranoid, I thought all of those guns in the US were supposed to be making you safer than Australia.
I've bought and sold cars using Gumtree (which is kind of like Craigslist but more useful and less hookers) and the procedure is fairly simple.
1. Buyer contacts seller, arranges time to meet at sellers house.
2. Buyer goes to sellers house, test drives car.
3. If they want to buy, they arrange payment (usually cash for small amounts, bank cheque for larger amounts), give it to the seller
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The best way to survive a bad situation, guns or no, is to avoid it in the first place.
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I sold my car on Craigslist. Guy came to my home with his brother, test drove the car, and paid cash. The end.
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He deposited the cash ... if the bank can't recognize it we have bigger issues.
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That bank teller verified the bills. Bro.
"tales... aren't uncommon" (Score:2)
Obviously, some people have a different definition of "uncommon" than I do.
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Well, to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, the "tales" are not uncommon at all. As for actual incidents . . . yep, those rare pretty rare. . .
Some forward thinking going on there. (Score:2)
depressing (Score:3)
"If you'd feel more comfortable buying your iPod at our Police Station go ahead."
"Thanks - As a teenage girl, that does make me feel more comfortable."
FASCISTS!!!
I use Starbucks (Score:2)
I park right in front of Starbucks and meet prospective sellers or buyers inside. If I'm buying an item, they have to bring it inside with them. No "it's in the car a couple blocks over down this alley". I get there a little early to case the joint and get a coffee. Adjust for items that can't easily be carried into Starbucks. (No, you park right here. I'm not going to park down that alley.)
I've had zero issues so far. Where I think people get into trouble is when they want the sale so badly that the
not recommended in all cases (Score:2)
This venue is not recommend for commercial transactions initiated through the "personals" section of Craigslist.
Hugh Pickens (Score:2)
Who are you Hugh Pickens?
And are you any relation to Slim?
This is only a partial solution (Score:2)
It at least protects the parties from possible physical harm. But it's still quite possible to get taken for a ride--in a police station.
Even when doing business with someone you don't know, it's possible to look for, and read, clues as to the kind of person you are dealing with. Do they call back when promised? Do you notice any "little lies"? Does the story change over time?
I've bought personal vehicles on Craigslist for years, and there are a lot of good clues. For example, when you ask whether the
Public transit stations (Score:2)
Bart and Caltrain stations in broad daylight have always worked well for me. Same goes for major public transit facilities in any city. Granted my transactions tend to be limited to computer hardware and automobiles.
Don't think I'd feel comfortable meeting someone at a pig fortress, just to buy/sell a laptop. Adds unnecessary risk to otherwise routine business.
Unintended Consequence (Score:2)
Nice (Score:2)
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Right, because everything they do at all times must be shady and borderline illegal, right?
I'm guessing you're made because they busted you for smoking dope you hop head. More likely, this is a case of them wanted to cut down on their workload somewhat and getting people to conduct these transactions next to or in the police station is likely to cut down somewhat on illegal activity.
Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:5, Funny)
meeting in the lobby of the police department can help weed out people trying to rip others off
Well yeah, it's right there in the summary. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise.
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Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:4, Interesting)
If the seller doesn't agree to meet at the stationhouse, isn't that a person the police should be investigating?
I certainly hope not!
Before seeing this article, I personally would have assumed meeting at the station house would put ourselves in the way of police officers with other important things to do, perhaps even things like saving lives, for what basically boils down to a simple craigslist purchase.
If someone else would have suggested it I would certainly be offering up other safe options to go with first, only choosing this one if literally no other options were available to not meet alone, and even then I would still feel bad for being in the way.
Now sure if I was to shoot down ALL suggestions for safe meetings, then that would and probably should be seen as shady as hell. But offering tried and true alternatives first is not something I feel should earn deeper investigation by the police or any other government agency.
"Do you have a friend or three that can come along? How about we meet at the Cinibun in blahblah mall? Or anywhere else closer to you that's in public and has a lot of people and cameras around? The police probably have lives to save and stuff, would you at least three-way call them first and ask if it's OK?"
Personally I see offering multiple ways to help reassure the other party, while also having my only one request for similar reassurance being denied, as the questionable act. Still not "investigated by the police or feds" level of questionable of course, but enough to raise my "I don't want to deal with an overly demanding buyer" counter, especially if there are other buyers in line.
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Explain the logic why they should. You presented none.
Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:5, Informative)
Explain the logic why they should. You presented none.
First, their job is to make life safer for everyone and to prevent crime. They do that. Second, it's very little effort for them because the crooks and criminals won't come to the police station. Third, a single citizen becoming victim of a crime creates huge amounts of work for the police, so it is much more effective to prevent the crime from happening in the first place. Fourth, it makes people happy and improve their view of the police force which again makes life easier for the police.
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You listed a lot of reasons why someone would want to perform transaction at the police station.
You still haven't presented a single reason why police should investigate people who refuse to do transactions at police station.
Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:5, Interesting)
First, their job is to make life safer for everyone and to prevent crime. They do that.
WTF? Someone actually believes this? *boggle*
I used to deliver pizza for a living. Sometimes you get mugged. Once as I returned to the store, battered and bleeding, there was a cop right there in the store, getting some free pizza.
He seemed annoyed that we interrupted his free-pizza-getting by asking him to at least write an incident report. He outright rejected the notion that the police should make the area safer, and instead chastised us for doing business in such a dangerous neighborhood. He also wrote me a ticket for something about my car. Presumably the only reason he didn't shake me down for the money I had on me was that someone else had already stole that.
0 interest in policing. 0 interest in making things safer. 0 interest in preventing crime in any way that required effort on his part. They don't do that. They take your money and extort businesses for free stuff. That's what the police do.
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I'm 1 for 3 with the cops .... (Score:3)
I once had a CB radio stolen out of my car, while it was in my *driveway*. Called the cops and they didn't even want to be bothered.... Could barely get the guy to write a report, and he sure as heck didn't want to waste time checking for fingerprints or any of that.
During a messy divorce, many years later, my ex and some of her friends/relatives ransacked the house while I was out. Came home to find the front door wide open with the A/C running full blast in the middle of summer, and pretty much everythi
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Yes, yes, we've heard it all before, it's those 99% of police who are bad apples that give the other 1% a bad name. Totally unfair of me to overgeneralize from several such occurrences in my actual life when arguing about someone else's fantasy.
How is this not good for citizens? (Score:5, Interesting)
If I'm the one buying, I ask the other dude to meet me at the police station to complete the sale. Three reasons:
1) Minimizes the chances I'll be raped, murdered, robbed, or otherwise harmed.
2) Maximizes the chances that the goods are not stolen, counterfeit, or in some way defective.
3) People with outstanding warrants or otherwise sketchy pasts will not want to meet there, and of course I don't want to do business with them because of the risks of 1 and 2, but also because I don't want to support, for instance, a drug dealer.
Of course the police benefit from having one or two absolute morons come in and sell drugs or something like that, but the public benefits hugely from this as well.
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Downloading an mp3 is not a crime. Only downloading a copyrighted mp3 is ...
Uploading/Sharing said copyrighted is where the line is crossed. Many people got busted because they were using programs which did this by default (or they enabled it). Most of the peer-to-peer programs upload what you have while you download what others have. I can't recall any cases were anyone was busted for JUST downloading (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). IMO, this is a significant detail I think more people should be aware of.
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And as soon as that download takes place in a police station under a surveillance cam we might actually come close to having a semblance of a similarity between the two.
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Can you name a person who has been scared to go to a police station because he downloaded an mp3 at some point?
Who is not insane?
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Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:5, Insightful)
There is simply no way this is actually a good faith attempt to benefit the citizenry here. None.
Just like there is simply no way that you actually post your comments in good faith, right? Because everything that everyone does is always bad, always, right?
You know the saying. When everyone around you is an asshole, you're the asshole.
Of course the cops aren't going to complain when someone so stupid as to walk into their lobby right next to a picture of them and the warrant that's out for their arrest that's posted on the wall makes it easy for them. But the idea here is to simply shut down some scam transactions before they even occur. They don't have to DO anything - just make it clear that people who are uncomfortable with a transaction with stranger are welcome to meet up in the safest place available. Just like they tell you that you any time you think you might be being pulled over by someone who's not a real cop (say, an unmarked car), you can drive to the parking lot of a police station before pulling over. That's been the policy everywhere I've lived for decades.
Your eagerness to make a safe transaction or the serendipitous arrest of a stupid known, predatory criminal a bad thing is truly bizarre. Which of those two things is not in support of "the citizenry?" Which backwards world view are you holding that makes either of those things something nefarious on the part of the local police station? Grow up.
Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:4, Insightful)
Disclaimer: That only works if you are white.
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Disclaimer: That only works if you are white.
Maybe you should use a meme generator for that one?
Or, consider the reality of it. Cops who pull people over while driving unmarked cars are completely used to not being trusted - by anyone, of any color. I have a great relationship with the cops I know, and have never had a bad moment with any I don't. My wife and I are lily white, but I'd never encourage her to pull over for an unmarked car anywhere but in a very populated spot, and ideally in front of the local police station. I do not trust unmarked
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I think you've made my point.
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I think you've made my point.
Sure, if you want to ignore everything else I've said. I've also spent 15 years living in a neighborhood where we were the only lily white people for blocks in every direction. My neighbors - many of whom had teenage wandering-the-streets-age sons - were from every ethnic group, color, flavor, and economic strata. Your attempt to make this about race, rather than about people's behavior, is just silly. Or, it would be, if it wasn't such a common bit of craven media laziness.
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Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:5, Insightful)
take off your tinfoil hat, not everything in this world is out there to screw you over. robberies, murders etc look bad on the police as well as affecting normal people. It is an intelligent move and it would be nice if we saw more of it, regardless of what good they do there will always be people like you that can't possibly fathom that not all police are corrupt.
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Re:So what's the real story here? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes there is. I consider the police lazy enough that they'd do it in good faith because aside of the idiots that may come to them to get arrested instead of them having to go out and catch them, they would probably also reduce the number of cases where someone actually gets mugged, robbed or otherwise becomes victim of a crime, which would be yet another reason to leave the box of donuts and go out into the world to interview the victim and do a search of the crime scene.
Even if you don't think there are any cops left that actually want to do what is allegedly their job, there's plenty of reason for them to establish something like that without resorting to paranoid surveillance conspiracies.
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There is simply no way this is actually a good faith attempt to benefit the citizenry here. None.
Well I don't know about anyone else, but I'm convinced! I'm glad you didn't try to cloud the issue by any kind of pesky evidence or anything!
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Only an idiot meets at somebody's house. People have had their home burgled as a result of that. Rather nasty stuff. What you do is meet in a public place. Some place where there are plenty of bystanders.
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That is a stupidest advice I have ever heard.
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You have it backwards. The teen in custody saved the cop's life [dailycaller.com]
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I've stopped watching TV for a few years and now so sometimes I don't have a fucking clue about what you kids are on about and why you want to look so stupid.