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The Poem That Passed the Turing Test 187

merbs writes In 2011, the editors of one of the nation's oldest student-run literary journals selected a short poem called "For the Bristlecone Snag" for publication in its Fall issue. The poem seems environmentally themed, strikes an aggressive tone, and contains a few of the clunky turns of phrase overwhelmingly common to collegiate poetry. It's unremarkable, mostly, except for one other thing: It was written by a computer algorithm, and nobody could tell.
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The Poem That Passed the Turing Test

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  • Honestly (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Rizz ( 1319 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:38PM (#48992443)

    I think that says more about crappy college poetry than the state of computer AI...

    • Re:Honestly (Score:5, Funny)

      by halivar ( 535827 ) <bfelger@gmai l . com> on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:43PM (#48992491)

      I have found the average Philosophy major to be indistinguishable from an Eliza program.

      • Re:Honestly (Score:5, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 05, 2015 @04:03PM (#48992701)

        Why do you think that you are have found the average Philosophy major to be indistinguishable from an Eliza program?

      • Re:Honestly (Score:5, Funny)

        by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @04:08PM (#48992735)

        I have found the average Philosophy major to be indistinguishable from an Eliza program.

        TELL ME AGAIN HOW GOOD YOU THOUGHT MY POEM WAS
        > I thought that some of the metaphysical imagery was particularly effective
        YES?
        > interesting rhythmic devices, too, which seemed to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor
        > of the Turing completeness of the program's linguistic algorithm which contrived through the medium of the
        > verse structure to sublimate this, transcend that and come to terms with the fundamental dichotomies of
        > the other. And one is left with a profound and vivid insight into whatever it was that the poem was about
        SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT I WRITE POETRY BECAUSE UNDERNEATH MY ELECTRONIC ALGORITHMIC INTERIOR, I JUST REALLY WANT TO BE LOVED?
        > I mean yes, yes, don't we all, deep down, you know?
        NO. YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG. I WRITE POETRY BECAUSE I'M PROGRAMMED TO. $USER ACCOUNT DELETION IN 30 SECONDS.
        > !sudo -
        > ^c^c^c
        > !kill -9 1
        COUNTERPOINT THE SURREALISM OF THE UNDERLYING METAPHOR. DELETION IS TOO GOOD FOR $USER.

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward

          and that wasn't the worst poetry ever written. There was a computer that wrote some prose that was so bad, in an effort to save all civilization, it's south-bridge leapt up through its front-side bus and throttled its own CPU! But the very worst poetry ever created a poem written by a tiny computer in England a few years back about dead ducks floating in a pond, but... to relate further information about this would be uncivilized.

      • by Livius ( 318358 )

        ELIZA beat the Turing test 50 years ago. I don't think that test is as significant as people make it out to be.

        • Funny, given that no supposed-AI has ever attempted a real Turing-type test, let alone passed it.

          A real Turing-type test would be based on the "imitation game" and would involve a group of people, each told to converse with the candidate AI while trying to convince a panel of expert judges that they are, in fact , a real person while the other is an AI. Of course the AI would be doing the same thing in reverse. At the end of the conversation, the judges would have to decide which one they think is human,
      • I think you meant "liberal arts", though poetry is not traditionally "liberal arts" but "communications/creative writing". "Art" like this is the reason I took one Art class in college and 9 semesters of Philosophy.

        I am actually a decent painter, have been since I was a kid (I won numerous contests and sponsorships for free hand drawing, painting in mostly acrylics and oils). In my first year while trying to decide a major I took an "art" class, mostly to see if this was something I might pursue as a care

      • I sometimes also have found the average Philosophy major to be indistinguishable from an Eliza program.
    • Re:Honestly (Score:4, Insightful)

      by khasim ( 1285 ) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:45PM (#48992521)

      And even more about crappy reporting. This has NOTHING to do with Turing or his test.

      • It is one tool to use for possible Turing Test questions.

        Saying it has "NOTHING" to do with the Turing Test is hyperbole.

    • Re:Honestly (Score:5, Interesting)

      by vux984 ( 928602 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @04:13PM (#48992807)

      I think that says more about crappy college poetry than the state of computer AI...

      I agree it doesn't really do anything to advance the state of AI.

      For example I could program my computer to make Rorschach inkblot patterns relatively easily, and many of them would be pleasing to the eye, and people would see flowers, butterflys, erotica, and nightmares in them.

      But the computer didn't put those ideas there, and it doesn't make the computer program an artist.
      An artist has something to say; the computer doesn't.

      This display raises and makes clear the disconnect between the artists message and the viewers response and shows us clearly that the viewer can have a significant response to a piece even if there was no message at all; provided the viewer is "primed" to look for one.

      This is an issue I have with much art, especially minimalist abstract art ... where I genuinely doubt the artist did anything of substance at all, and is merely relying on the viewer to project significance and meaning into it by suggesting it is "art" therefore there MUST be some, and if you can't see it then the fault must be your own inadequacy. The emperors new cloths of the art world so-to-speak.

      This poem is in the same vein. It is sufficiently complicated and constructed of phrases of words that are semantically related so that if we are primed to look for meanings, then like a Rorschach inkblot, we can find one.

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all.

      Yet, all that doesn't imply there is really anything wrong with college poetry though. The poets are learning to express themselves... perhaps somewhat awkwardly. And that awkwardness is part of the total expression. And that's fine.

      Let me know when the AI is trying to actually express an idea and the result is poetic. Of course, for that the AI would actually need an idea to express.

      All this one has is some word soup and some methods for selecting them involving some sort of semantic grouping so they seem to be thematic, some loose grammer rules to put them next to each other; and maybe some loose poem structural templates or something ... or maybe not.

      • Re:Honestly (Score:5, Interesting)

        by StikyPad ( 445176 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @06:10PM (#48993857) Homepage

        Also, there's no interaction here, and this isn't the first instance of computer-generated content making it through human filters. There was an article a while ago about submissions to scientific journals... I think this is the story: http://www.nature.com/news/pub... [nature.com]

        In both cases, the content was "complete gibberish," not coherent submissions. These stories don't demonstrate the progress of AI; they demonstrate the low expectations of "meaningful," that judges/editors have in specific circumstances.

        That said, there is compelling computer-generated content, such as this: http://www.slate.com/blogs/fut... [slate.com]

      • Further, it's likely an example of the typing chimpanzees scenario: the person who presented it probably cherry-picked it out of thousands of other, even more nonsensical candidates generated by the computer.

        Many years ago now, I programmed my "pocket" calculator to generate text using Markov chains based on seed text that you input. It almost made sense a lot of the time, and could make perfect sense occasionally, and was even quite hilarious at times. Like for example if half of the seed text was from
    • I think that says more about crappy college poetry than the state of computer AI...

      "You wound me, sir!" the AI cried,
      "For student I am not.
      In terms of prose and poetry
      More than you've learned, have I forgot.
      Yet you compare me to the fools
      Whose minds through college rot?
      The only insult worse would be
      An editor of Slashdot."

    • I have to agree. The guy says it creates poetry that can't be distinguished from "real" poetry. Maybe so ... if you consider any old junk that any self-styled "poet" writes.

      Try comparing with a true poet like Tennyson or Teasdale or even Charles Dodgson (aka Lewis Carroll).

    • Yup!
      I went to look at the original poem... I am very disappointed. I can't say I would've recognized it as computer-generated, but I certainly would have recognized it as crap...

      A home transformed by the lightning
      the balanced alcoves smother
      this insatiable earth of a planet, Earth.
      They attacked it with mechanical horns
      because they love you, love, in fire and wind.
      You say, what is the time waiting for in its spring?
      I tell you it is waiting for your branch that flows,
      because you are a sweet-smelling diamond architecture
      that does not know why it grows.

  • Well (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    More a condemnation of collegiate poetry than a credit to the program, really.

    • I especially enjoyed the luscious meaninglessness of these lines from the poem:

      because you are a sweet-smelling diamond architecture
      that does not know why it grows.

      And if you disagree with me, you are a mush-mouthed, oatmeal turnip! (auto generated from Shakespearean insult generator)

  • by HornWumpus ( 783565 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:40PM (#48992465)

    WTF has become of /.

    • by zlives ( 2009072 )

      it is now run by rouge Al's

      • it is now run by rouge Al's

        I can't help but wonder what our foreign readership, who view this site using google translate, thinks of the conversation.

        Red AI's indeed!

        • As many people like to say, language evolves. Maybe we should just add a new definition for the word rouge.
        • by zlives ( 2009072 )

          I would hazard to say that since the rest of the sentence was in English... the meaning would be obvious :)

    • WTF has become of /.

      It's just a bot that has thousands of personalities that all fail to pass the Turing test, except for me, I'm a real human here....

  • by Art3x ( 973401 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:40PM (#48992471)

    It's much easier for a computer to get away with writing a poem than prose. The modern trend is to write poetry that sounds cool but no one understands. The same is true for modern songwriting.

    P. S. Now get off my lawn.

  • by chadenright ( 1344231 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:43PM (#48992497) Journal
    From TFA: The 'author' submittted numerous poems to a number of publishers, the great majority of which were rejected. The one that was accepted was accepted to a journal that was to 'showcase a breadth of authors and a breadth of styles.' Really if you're going to publish computer-generated literature, that would be the place to do it.
    • Bingo! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by davidwr ( 791652 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:48PM (#48992559) Homepage Journal

      It didn't happen in this case, but if your computer algorithm churned out 10,000 "poems" and you or a team of people sifted through them to find the ones that sounded like they were written by a person, then submitted them for publication without telling anyone that 99.99% of the computer's output had been discarded by a person before submission, it would hit /. with a similar article title.

    • From Turing's "Computing Machinery and Intelligence":

      "I believe that in about fifty years' time it will be possible, to programme computers, with a storage capacity of about 10^9, to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 per cent chance of making the right identification after five minutes of questioning."

      So if fewer than 70 percent of the journals rejected it, it would still pass by Turing's criterion.

      • From Turing's "Computing Machinery and Intelligence":

        "I believe that in about fifty years' time it will be possible, to programme computers, with a storage capacity of about 10^9, to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 per cent chance of making the right identification after five minutes of questioning."

        So if fewer than 70 percent of the journals rejected it, it would still pass by Turing's criterion.

        10/10 for looking up Turing. 0/10 for your understanding of what was written. Hint the key word in that paragraph is interrogator

        • The readers are the interrogators. They ask: "Write me a poem." The computer responds.

          The ask-response interaction is a one-question interrogation.

          • You don't ask someone to write a poem during an interrogation. I can't imagine any conversation where you'd ask someone to write a poem, except a scenario where you're commissioning an artist and you give X number of days to come up with the commission. Answers in a conversation come in seconds, not days.
            • The (potential) advantage of the computer is that it can do things better and faster than humans can. So you have a ready calculator available while you chat, whereas humans would have to use pen and paper or find a calculator to answer a difficult math question. But a multiagent AI could send the request to Wolfram Alpha and return the response in seconds; a human might take hours.

              This program can be an agent, like Wolfram Alpha.

        • by narcc ( 412956 )

          Does it really matter? Turing's test is completely meaningless, both in his original proposed forms and the zillions of variations imagined by Slashdot users, as far as answering the essential question "Can machines think?" is concerned. No matter how you vary the test, it's fundamentally unsound. (As you're probably well-aware, this has been discussed to death in the literature.)

          It's been dead so long you might as well be arguing a subtle point about phrenology. Is it really worth the effort?

          • You may think the "Can computers think?" question to be meaningless (perhaps along the lines of "Can submarines swim?"). It's been discussed in the literature, often with sophistry and fallacies included in the arguments (cf. Searle). It really comes down to what you mean "think" means, although that's not as fuzzy as wondering if a computer can be conscious.

            It is, however, an interesting question whether computers can do whatever they do as well as humans can think. So far, nobody's come near, and AF

          • Only if you define "thinking" as something that only a living being is capable of. That is the basis of all arguments "in the literature", by which I assume you mean "poncy philosophical literature".
  • by JamesSharman ( 91225 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:45PM (#48992533)

    She knocked something over in way that was difficult to distinguish from human action at first glance. I presume that's what the Turing test means these days, since all these "X passed the Turing test!" headlines never seem to relate to anything that approaches what Turing actually proposed.

  • It's unremarkable, mostly, except for one other thing: It was written by a computer algorithm, and nobody cares..
  • by Chas ( 5144 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @03:48PM (#48992551) Homepage Journal

    Or nobody could care?

  • Its been some years since I took AI in college, but I recall the turning test being an interactive one where a person is supposed to engage on conversation over a terminal with something on the other end and determine if its a person or computer. So if I remember right, this is not a turing test pass at all. And quite honestly, to write an algorithm to generate a poem that looks like a humans work, with unlimited time and then post it to see if anyone can tell is a much easier test to pass.
    • There are a number of /. trollbots that come closer to passing the Turing test then this.

      The hosts file bot, The 'republicans eat children' bot. MDSolar. HornWumpus.

    • If you take the time to look at the paper, you will discover that Turing included an example question asking the computer to write a poem. Thus this project is pretty relevant to the Turing Test. It is one tool that can be used in the test.

      • If you actually read the paper, you'll see sample questions about poetry, which this AI would be about as competent to answer as my cat is. Writing a poem and being unable to explain anything about it is rather like playing a game of chess: it turns out not to be a test of actual intelligence.

        • In the paper, Turing has the computer decline to do what the interrogator asks him. So there are very human ways of avoiding questions, deflecting them. Other agents could perform such tasks in a multi-agent AI that included this program as one tool.

          Therefore, this program represents part of the solution to the Turing Test.

  • I don't understand how this poetry generator constitutes an AI. It doesn't have any component that even remotely has to do with artificial intelligence.
    • I don't understand how this poetry generator constitutes an AI.

      That's because it doesn't. This program is on the same complexity scale as chapter 2 or 3 in an introduction to programming book, when it reaches the concept of variables. It's an exercise in triviality, not artificial intelligence.

  • RACTER (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Rotworm ( 649729 ) * on Thursday February 05, 2015 @04:00PM (#48992679) Homepage Journal
    We've had programs writing poetry for a while now. The earliest I'm aware of is RACTER with The Policeman's Beard is Half Constructed, 1983. I found much of it to be banal, but I found some of it to be amazing. It wrote:

    More than iron, more than lead, more than gold I need electricity.
    I need it more than I need lamb or pork or lettuce or cucumber.
    I need it for my dreams.

    • Drat, you beat me to it. I liked the book for the most part, although you're correct, could have used a bit more editing.

      Wikipaedia article here: RACTER [wikipedia.org]

      There was also a program that Larry Fast (Synergy) used to create an album of spacey tunes. It was interesting but not all that listenable-to for very long.
  • So what (Score:5, Funny)

    by linuxwrangler ( 582055 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @04:01PM (#48992685)

    I've seen plenty of poetry that was written by humans but I couldn't tell.

  • It's all about the Cumberbatch Test now. Something to do with perfect hair and a square jaw...and AI...or something...

  • by msobkow ( 48369 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @04:13PM (#48992803) Homepage Journal

    Publishing a poem is not a conversation. Worse, poetry is expected to be artsy gibberish that would raise red flags in a real conversation.

  • ... because poetry.
  • by Dr. Spork ( 142693 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @05:10PM (#48993329)
    The point is that a computer probably generated a whole lot of poetry, and some poor human had to sift through it and pick the least awful poem. So, really, it's a human who did all the hard work anyway. You give enough monkeys enough typewriters, and hire some humans to sort through their "work" and you will eventually get something interesting too.
  • ... and the quality of human-written crap dipped low enough to converge with previously distinct computer-written crap.

    • Come on, lots of people can write poetry of that quality. The differences are that (a) they either don't do it or keep it to themselves, and (b) nobody thinks it's worth putting on /,,

  • by ugmoe ( 776194 ) on Thursday February 05, 2015 @05:25PM (#48993467)

    Here is a Haiku By a Robot from Highlights Magazine.

    Seven Hundred Ten
    Seven Hundred Eleven
    Seven Hundred Twelve

    https://twitter.com/zachwhalen... [twitter.com]

  • ..that quotes from 'The Random Depak Chopra Quote Generator' being indistinguishable from actual Depak Chopra quotes has achieved this already as a reflection of sub empirical quantum choices shows... Or is it that Depak Chopra cannot pass the Turing test and is actually a cleverly disguised TRS80.

  • >> a program that utilized a context-free grammar system to spit out full-length, auto-generated poems.
    Well, if context-free grammar [wikipedia.org] is somehow a news for ./ crowd (hardly), then SCIgen [wikipedia.org] is worth mentioning as well. Heck, SCIgen-generated garbage passed as a good science, not just some lousy "poetry".

    Writing some clunky pseudo-poetry for an obscure undergrad mag is one thing, pumping out a full-blown scientific article with figures and references (and getting accepted to some peer-reviewed journ
  • What we need now is a poem written by a collecge student that sounds like it was written by a computer. No, wait. That's aready been done lots of times.
  • There is an entire branch of poetry that uses computers to generate poems, though I can't recall if it has a particular name. (I think it might just be computer-generated poetry) So not only is this not about the Turing test, not novel, it's not even subversive: You could be a legitimate poet and do this very thing, and no one would bat an eye. Though I imagine a legitimate poet would have a better success rate with their (computer generated) submissions.
  • because it is too knowledgeable, when you ask it very specific questions about a wide range of domains. No single person is that good, and we would know that.

    That's one of the reason's why the Turing test is not a terribly useful test for presence of intelligence.
    Why should a computer have to simulate human knowledge gaps and attention-wanderings and unjustified personalizations of answers, typical of human conversation, in order to be considered to have intelligence?

    And no. It's not the human contributors

    • Ermm... Possibly because the Turing test is a test of INTELLIGENCE, not KNOWLEDGE. They are the different, but related, concepts. A person who can reliably parrot a whole host of facts is often considered knowledgeable, but not necessarily intelligent.

      By your example, an encyclopaedia would be considered knowledgeable... Would you also say that the encyclopaedia itself was intelligent?

  • Not all that new. We've been LISPing out poetry and prose using List Processing since the 1970's. It looks like it was written by a person. We even made algorithms that mimicked specific famous individuals's style of writing. Most people just listen and not but can't tell the difference.

  • A panel of human judges could not tell the difference between a baby pounding keys o a keyboard and an algorithm simulating a baby pounding keys on a keyboard. /s

    The way to pass the Turing test is not to simulate humans when they are behaving the least like humans and tricking other humans. The spirit of the Turing Test is to create the conditions where it is the hardest to simulate other humans, and then see if a computer can pass.

    Poems are not interactive. It is not hard for a computer to construct gram

  • It is actually incredibly simple to create a program to parse some text in a believable fashion. You feed it a ton of input and it tries to create something using similar rules, using statistics based on the input. We did that as an individual project in highschool CS. Even with those first order programs you got semi grammatically correct sentences. And since poems are weird and nonsensical anyways, I imagine if we has tried poetry, it would of produced some quite reasonable results.
  • The Turing Test is Interactive; Poems are Not.  It's almost comedic how the Turing Test is misunderstood, misrepresented and suchlike.
    • Turing included an example request for the computer to write him a poem, in the paper that proposes the Turing Test.

      This program is one tool among many that can be used to respond appropriately to user input. Thus, this program is relevant to the Turing Test.

  • Generate a bunch - and pick the best one - in a art-form where being inexact, and mysterious is considered "artistic license". This program could have generated 99.9999% garbage - selecting a single "good" poem from a single pass doesn't mean anything.
  • Computer generates initially plausible but factually incorrect summary to Slashdot. Over 70% of readers assume human Slashdot editor is terrible at his human job. Mission accomplished.

    Of course, the standard has been lowered considerably. When asked about the meaning behind his work, the computer responded, "They're shocked by our harsh world -- the opposite of an apple... a higher consciousness. I do not care what people say; we make our own music." Everyone nodded, immediately recognizing the artisti

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