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Republicans Back Down, FCC To Enforce Net Neutrality Rules 599

An anonymous reader writes: Republican resistance has ended for the FCC's plans to regulate the internet as a public utility. FCC commissioners are working out the final details, and they're expected to approve the plan themselves on Thursday. "The F.C.C. plan would let the agency regulate Internet access as if it is a public good.... In addition, it would ban the intentional slowing of the Internet for companies that refuse to pay broadband providers. The plan would also give the F.C.C. the power to step in if unforeseen impediments are thrown up by the handful of giant companies that run many of the country's broadband and wireless networks." Dave Steer of the Mozilla Foundation said, "We've been outspent, outlobbied. We were going up against the second-biggest corporate lobby in D.C., and it looks like we've won."
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Republicans Back Down, FCC To Enforce Net Neutrality Rules

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  • by MetalliQaZ ( 539913 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:19AM (#49126223)

    This is good news but the deed isn't done until Comcast, TWC, AT&T, and Verizon are defeated in court.

    • by oh_my_080980980 ( 773867 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:39AM (#49126353)
      Exactly. It ain't over yet. The devil is in the details and these court battles are going to decide the details.
    • Could we just go straight to an artillery barrage? Please?

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      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @11:52AM (#49128205)
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    • Actually. Even though I truly believe those guys to be fucking evil bastards that must die ...

      The only thing I can think of that is worse is to give the US government a foot in the door here.

      Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

  • Sounds good (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wierd_w ( 1375923 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:20AM (#49126225)

    This sounds good-- but I wonder just what form that regulation will take, and what level of regulatory capture will emerge.

    The republicans gave up too easily. Look how long and drawn out their battle against Obamacare was. In comparison, this measure seems to have been abandoned without much fight. I can't help but wonder why.

    • The republicans gave up too easily. Look how long and drawn out their battle against Obamacare was. In comparison, this measure seems to have been abandoned without much fight. I can't help but wonder why.

      Just wait, you'll see in a few years. Wailing & gnashing of teeth to follow.

    • Well, this is how the internet has been run from the beginning. They have, simply, decided not to change that. If you want to see the results of this, just look back over the past 20 years. Removing Net Neutrality would have been the change.
    • Re:Sounds good (Score:5, Interesting)

      by w3woody ( 44457 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:36AM (#49126339) Homepage

      I'm also concerned partially because at its root, the problem with broadband in this country is a lack of local choice. I believe competition (such as Google Fiber) going up against the phone company and the cable company would help lower prices while raising speeds far better than regulation that explicitly acknowledges monopoly status and exchanges (easily watered down) performance demands for guaranteed profit margins on (easily manipulable) books. I mean, the real problem with explicit acknowledgement of monopoly status is an implicit guarantee that the phone company and the cable company may not fail--and if they make poor infrastructure investment choices, they're insulated from failure.

      I'm not suggesting this can't work. Only that there are a bunch of ways in which this can go haywire, so to me, the FCC's actions is simply the first step in a very long battle.

      • by rabbin ( 2700077 )
        I agree that it is the first step but if the FCC did not plan to simultaneously remove the requirement of local loop unbundling (and other things, such as rate regulation), we would've been much better off. It shows that despite the public's concern over net neutrality, the FCC is ultimately still in the pocket of the telecoms.

        I also agree that competition is the solution, but we may not agree on how it should come about. There are very few Googles out there that can afford these sort of high capital in
    • Re:Sounds good (Score:4, Insightful)

      by silentcoder ( 1241496 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:52AM (#49126451)

      I see a few main reasons:

      1) BECAUSE Obamacare was such a long drawn out fight which they ultimately lost. I think that's gotta be a bit demotivational.
      2) They want to focus on the immigration fight right now, because their voters actually understand that one.
      3) It is just possible that opposing net neutrality is so stupid even Republicans could figure out it was stupid.

    • To be fair, Comcast is less popular than Congress or even the DMV by some surveys, and they've recently had a large string of public customer interactions where their employees' actions were indefensible. That may have been a factor in backing down from this fight quickly.
    • Everyone's at the bipartisan Regulatory Capture Caucus right now, so the real news will have to wait.

    • The republicans gave up too easily. Look how long and drawn out their battle against Obamacare was. In comparison, this measure seems to have been abandoned without much fight. I can't help but wonder why.

      Because nobody cares by comparison. Everyone cares about health care. Not everyone even understands net neutrality. The part of government that you perceive is about 99% theater.

    • Re:Sounds good (Score:5, Insightful)

      by circletimessquare ( 444983 ) <circletimessquar ... m ['gma' in gap]> on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @09:25AM (#49126681) Homepage Journal

      Regulatory capture is a form of corruption. What you want is regulation without corruption.

      With no regulations, worse abuses than regulation capture occurs: domination by oligarchy who abuse consumers and smaller players. With no recourse. Because there's no regulations. And there's no magic free market fairy who fixes things another way.

      It's important to note this because there persists this economically ignorant nonsense that regulations cause problems. No, corruption causes problems. Regulations are the only way you get any fairness.

      We need to fight *corruption* not *government* on the issue of regulation. I do not love government, but when it comes to markets, government regulation is the only thing that keeps the playing field fair so the magic of capitalism (efficiency via competition) can work.vMeanwhile, an unregulated marketplace left to itself becomes abusive.

      There unfortunately persists this quasireligious faith based economic illiteracy in the USA, on the same intellectual level as creationism and antivaxxers, that unregulated marketplaces are magically free and fair because magic.

      1. unregulated marketplaces: hell

      2. corrupt government (regulatory capture, rent seeking parasites, oligarchy): hell

      3. truly fair government regulation: the only way capitalism can work. without a fair playing field with referees, there is no fair game of capitalism. players cheat

      • Precisely. Since the regulations the FCC have in mind have yet to be implemented, regulatory capture is still an unknown. I WORRY about capture, because it leads to hell, as you pointed out.

        I said this decision "Sounds good"-- Regulation is better than no regulation, as you correctly stated.

        Our goals are perfectly aligned in this matter.

        I was noting the seemingly short level of resistance that the political group with the most incentive to cause regulatory capture problems has put up. To me, this suggest

        • thank you, well said

          and apologies if i sounded like i was ranting at you. i was using your your comment as a launching point for me to rant at other fools, free market fundamentalists, not hurl abuse at you

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      Right because FORCING everyone to purchase a product they might not want and at the same time exposing some of their most private information to half the government is anything like applying title II regulations to small number of companies.

      Companies that are still free to exit the market anytime they choose, charge essentially whatever they'd like etc. The reality is these regulations bar these companies from engaging in a practice, that outside a few relatively high profile exceptions they don't do much

      • You misunderstand my political affiliation.

        I am unaffiliated. (and centrist)

        I like the concept of the ACA, but not the implementation. (which as you correctly stated, is currently little more than compulsory spending.) There are better methods than the one used by the ACA to achieve the goal of universal healthcare. I would have rather it had taken one of those other forms. It didnt. That's the way it is now.

        Rather than try to read some party slant into the comparison, instead see it from a foriegner's po

    • Re:Sounds good (Score:4, Interesting)

      by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @11:40AM (#49128051)

      Party support isn't the same. I'm a Republican myself - I'm against Obamacare, and every other Republican I know is too.

      Compare that with Net Neutrality. I completely support Net Neutrality, as does almost every other Republican I know that is younger and/or understands the internet. The only ones really against it are the old guys who don't even understand it but simply say "Regulation is bad, mmmkay.".

      Like it or not, everything doesn't boil down to corporate donations and dollars. Popular support weighs in too, and the right just isn't as united in this position vs Obamacare.

  • by schwit1 ( 797399 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:31AM (#49126297)
    This is a positive step IF the FCC is limiting this to ensuring all traffic is treated equally. But too many laws, rules and regulations have been perverted by the feds to concentrate power. The last thing we need is an obamacare version of internet regulation or regulators thinking ONLY of the children or ONLY of national security.
    • that have actually been perverted. Say what you will about Obamacare but there's no part about that law that isn't functioning as intended. Maybe you disagree with the intent of the law, but it's doing exactly what it was written to.

      You're problem isn't with the laws, it's with the yahoos writing them.
  • The hired help can claim to have been doing their job all along, but it was really hard, what with all that public opposition and all.

    Who wants to fight for lobbyist's interests when the cause is clearly lost and 4 MILLION AMERICANS WROTE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION DIRECTLY TO THE FCC? But the hired can certainly say they tried hard to serve 'their interests' to those that might come calling in the future.

    It is not as if the hired help actually believed they ever served the public's stated interests.

  • by Karmashock ( 2415832 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @08:49AM (#49126423)

    A lot of people are gleeful about the FCC stepping in to shut down the nonsense from the likes of Comcast. However, those same people forget that this is the same government has demonstrated an indifference to due process, personal privacy, and basically just does whatever it wants whenever it wants... and if you complain you'll just get stonewalled until you die of old age.

    The internet has been largely unregulated and that has been a really good thing. Most of the growth and innovation we've seen has happened there. With the FCC stepping in to regulate it, we should consider what happened to other industries they've regulated.

    Look at radio and broadcast TV. Notice the innovation and dynamic response to changing circumstances? Me neither.

    The issue is that it always starts out with good intentions. But ultimately they start spelling out what you're allowed to do and not do in extreme detail to such an extent that you can't do anything that they haven't thought of... and that means you can't change because it is literally illegal.

    I hope I'm wrong. But this could be the beginning of the end of the internet as we've known it.

    What is more... when the FCC starts regulating the hell out of it... we can expect the likes of China and the EU to be right behind the US... the whole network will clap down on itself.

    Hopefully some measure of freedom can survive in the deep web but I imagine they'll make that illegal at some point if only because it tends to draw the drug dealers and pedophiles.

    • by msauve ( 701917 ) on Wednesday February 25, 2015 @09:16AM (#49126605)
      "The internet has been largely unregulated and that has been a really good thing. Most of the growth and innovation we've seen has happened there."

      This is not regulation of the Internet, but regulation of the means by which the Internet is accessed.

      There are more than a few comparable regulatory actions which helped create the growth of the Internet. Significantly, there was the Carterphone action [wikipedia.org], which allowed modems to be connected to the Bell network, against their wishes. There was also state regulation of the Bells, which prevented them from charging exorbitant rates for those modem connections. There are the common carrier regulations, by which telco providers receive free or very low cost access to public rights-of-way, avoiding the costs of negotiating and renting land wherever they run their lines. Similarly with cable - they're given access to public rights of way and a monopoly position in exchange for being subject to regulation.

      If any of them want to build out services entirely in the free market without making use of public resources, negotiating and paying for all access rights, then I'll support that service being unregulated.
      • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

        This is not regulation of the Internet, but regulation of the means by which the Internet is accessed.

        Wow are already in public office or just practicing before your campaign. I mostly agree with your post but that line is right up there with Clinton's It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is

        Seriously man this is regulation of the Internet, it gets to the very core of how the networks is structured, this will over the long term impact all sorts of things like peering agreements. Lets at least be honest about what we are doing here.

        Nominally I am opposed to regulation. The trouble is these carri

        • by msauve ( 701917 )
          The distinction is not particularly subtle. It is the difference between content (the Internet) and transport (the network). The FCC is regulating the transport, so that providers which offer both transport and content do not receive an unfair advantage over those who provide only content.
    • by dywolf ( 2673597 )

      Once again you prove your ignorance.

      -The internet already operates on the principles of net neutrality, but its always been an informal thing.
      -The fact that the big companies have been trying to chip away at that is what has prompted the desire to codify it in stone.
      -They aren't regulating the internet, they are regulating the companies' business practices in providing it.
      -The rules are clearly spelled out
      -Are you seriously unaware of the regulations already in place in China and the EU? OR that one reason

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Karmashock ( 2415832 )

        1. The system has run under the assumption of net neutrality to a certain extent, however there has always been prioritized communications. What I'm talking about are mostly QoS issues. If a network gets congested, then I'm going to try and prioritize some communications. Lets say someone has a VoIP call going and you're trying to download emails. Who gets hurt more if I slow someone down? Obviously it makes sense to slow down email and websites before I slow down VoIP or video streaming.

        2. You are correct

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  • Yeah... well I'll keep the cork in until we see just how many hidden scams are added to any legislation.

  • Seriously, Soulskill, what the hell happened with this summary? There were three primary groups opposed to the President's Title II plan, two of which were "Republicans," but all three were acting individually. The Republican FCC commissioners were going to try to get the Title II plan voted down at the FCC. Republican members of Congress were trying to pass a Net Neutrality law that banned Title II regulations. (The third group, telecom companies which give to both parties in equal measure, was/is going to

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