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Facebook Makes Messenger a Platform 48

Steven Levy writes At Facebook's F8 developer conference, the ascension of the Messenger app was the major announcement. Messenger is no longer just a part of Facebook, but a standalone platform to conduct a wide variety of instant communications, not only with friends, but with businesses you may deal with as well. It will compete with other messaging services such as Snapchat, Line and even Facebook's own WhatsApp by offering a dizzying array of features, many of them fueled by the imagination and self-interest of thousands of outside software developers.
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Facebook Makes Messenger a Platform

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  • by Bronster ( 13157 ) <slashdot@brong.net> on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @06:53PM (#49340645) Homepage

    The core question with running on anybody else's platform, unless they are a regulated carrier somewhere which is required by a law to carry your traffic, is what happens when they change the rules?

    Would you be comfortable building your entire business on top of it? What if Facebook imposes new limits or rules that mean you can't use it any more.

    I had a conversation with a friend back in 2008-2009 some time over Facebook Messanger. We tried to find it last year. It rembered a chat we had in 2007, then nothing until 2010. It's not your own immutable copy the way that email is. Every new messaging platform claims it will kill email, but funnily enough they never do, because they don't offer what email offers - your own immutable copy and interoperability with everyone else. Email actually is the real distributed social network.

    • by TeknoHog ( 164938 ) on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @07:08PM (#49340749) Homepage Journal

      Every new messaging platform claims it will kill email, but funnily enough they never do, because they don't offer what email offers - your own immutable copy and interoperability with everyone else. Email actually is the real distributed social network.

      I've never thought of Facebook messenger as anything more than a random web chat, a bolt-on feature of the whole antisocial media site. However, email isn't really a fair comparison, as it doesn't allow actual realtime chat. That's what IRC is for, and you get to keep your logs as you please on your own machine. I guess the same applies to any of the newer IM protocols, as long as it's an independent application you control.

      BTW, what would you guys suggest to wean non-technical friends off FB chat, given that IRC might be a little too much hassle with all the servers and keeping their computer on all the time?

      • by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @08:57PM (#49341479)

        BTW, what would you guys suggest to wean non-technical friends off FB chat,

        I don't know... we've gone backwards. We started out with competing and non-compatible IM clients - AIM being the biggest. For a while we were trending toward a bunch of competing but compatible IM clients. Then everyone abandoned IM for SMS. Now they are abandoning SMS for a bunch of competing non-compatible IM clients... just on the phone this time.

        I currently have WhatsApp installed for a single friend who insists on using it. It's pretty good - give that one a shot. Sometimes people invite me to a Google Hangout - and that also lets you talk or video chat for free. Viber is another one that works pretty well and gives you free calling. The desktop version does video. I have exactly one friend on that.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          IMHO all of them pale before LINE. Line has free calling, video calling and group chats.

        • So you use WhatsApp, Hangout & Viber, depending on who calls you (ou who you wanna call). Chat is awful compared to mail. Almost no interoperability, no easy way to own your data.
      • Weechat has been a good alternative I have found while I was living behind the great firewall.

        But really Messenger and email couldn't be more different. I wouldn't write a long story on messenger. Like wise basic file transfer, video sharing, and VOIP calling is not something I do over email.

      • by Bronster ( 13157 )

        Honestly, I use FB's messaging interchangably with SMS. I don't expect to keep history of either of them. Anything I want to keep gets sent as email.

        IRC is great for work. I don't use it for random people though. All my choir and gym friends are on Facebook, and coordinate things through there. I'm not going to cut myself off from that.

        • All my choir and gym friends are on Facebook, and coordinate things through there. I'm not going to cut myself off from that.

          Incidentally, the only reason I have a FB account is to coordinate art/music projects. However, FB chat is just too unreliable to use for anything too intense. I guess I could go back to the likes of ICQ, which I used to use with the less techy friends back in the day.

      • by gatzke ( 2977 )

        BTW, what would you guys suggest to wean non-technical friends off FB chat, given that IRC might be a little too much hassle with all the servers and keeping their computer on all the time?

        Google Hangouts does chat and video chat and snapchat image type stuff.

        It is multiplatform, unlike Factime or SMS messaging. Not sure if Whatsapp has a PC/Mac client.

        I have had messaged delayed for some unknown reason on occasion. But overall, it is very solid.

        • by praxis ( 19962 )

          Which platform is the only platform with SMS clients?

          • by gatzke ( 2977 )

            What do you mean by SMS clients? Do you mean SMS integration?

            I have email and chat. Why would I want SMS to get crippled messages or limit myself to a phone platform?

    • It's called a Service Level Agreement.

      Basically, you sign a contract with Facebook that says "OK, Facebook, I'm going to build my infrastructure on top of your platform and I require that you support it for the next 15 years, capiche?"

      Facebook may say Yay or Nay. Depending on the answer, you take your business elsewhere.

      See? No government intervention required.
      • by Bronster ( 13157 )

        Yeah, indeed. Let me know when somebody has one of those that doesn't have a laughably small pentalty for Facebook if they change their mind and I will completely change my tune.

        • All companies are doing fine using services from Oracle, IBM, SAP, Microsoft, etc. I fail to see why Facebook would be any different.
          • by praxis ( 19962 )

            First, not all companies are doing fine using services from Oracle, IBM, SAP and Microsoft.

            Second, Facebook is different in the same way that Oracle is different and IBM is different and SAP is different. It is not a very convincing argument to say other companies provide services so *this* company's services must be "fine".

  • and so it goes (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @06:54PM (#49340657)

    Already I've seen businesses where the only way to interact with them online is on Facebook. And many people do all online socialization using Facebook too, and don't use email at all.

    Whatever happened to the concept of an open internet? Protocols that anybody could write to? Where anyone could run their own server if they wanted?

    The internet doesn't route around censorship if it's all centralized and proprietary.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Facebook is the new AOL.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Already I've seen businesses where the only way to interact with them online is on Facebook.

      A lot of online comment sections use facebook too - if you're not a facebook member, you simply don't get to comment.

      It's a very strange way to do business. Stupid, even.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 25, 2015 @08:20PM (#49341239)

    We need a new icon, one that shows zuckerberg with a borg assimilation upgrade ala the Bill Gates one; Seriously.

    • The Bill Gates one went away awhile ago, to be replaced with the
      "Microsoft" logo that I remember on Word for MS-DOS and the Windows 3.1 era.

      I think that part of the Diceification of Slashdot was involved. We're all professional and stuff now (except for the people who edit and post stories)

    • Why because he's added a VoIP service to the text messaging feature in Facebook.

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