Internet Explorer's Successor, Project Spartan, Is Called Microsoft Edge 153
An anonymous reader writes: At its Build 2015 developer conference today, Microsoft announced Project Spartan will be called Microsoft Edge. Joe Belfiore, Microsoft's corporate vice president of the operating systems group, announced the news on stage, adding that Edge will have support for extensions. Edge is Microsoft's new browser shipping on all Windows 10 devices (PCs, tablets, smartphones, and so on). Belfiore explained the name as referring to "being on the edge of consuming and creating."
Hah! (Score:1, Insightful)
On the edge of relevance, more like!
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renamed to get away from the stink of "Internet Explorer"
Re:Hah! (Score:5, Insightful)
Google thanks you for your loyalty. And the x-year long history of add-on choices, Web searches, personal and business correspondence, phone records, daily movements, Web browsing, and whatever other personal, private information you have given to them. You truly will be a warning to future generations.
(chrome, search, android / voice, android, doubleclick, other)
Re: Hah! (Score:1)
I just filter out double click. Never see it again.
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Well, these last days our Windows support has made Google inaccessible (peer disconnected all the time).
I hate that damn peer guy, he disconnects me from IRC all the time, too. Happen to know where he lives?
*sharpens fists in a giant pencil sharpener*
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Ned Ryerson?
Honestly, (Score:5, Funny)
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Yeah, one thing Microsoft does well - the only thing - is their anticompetitive strategy.
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Yeah, one thing Microsoft does well - the only thing - is their anticompetitive strategy.
Which is why Edge has to be horrible beyond the imaginings of mere mortals.
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And Microsoft's market share of mobile devices is almost as pathetic as BlackBerry's. So why would any mobile app developer even give a fuck about some porting tools?
Face it. Microsoft lost the mobile game; not once, but like three times now.
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If you're referring to Surface, surely by now you have to admit it has failed to live up to expectations.
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Why discount it so immediately?
Because if it is any good, it will be the exception that proves the rule.
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Because it's a browser from Microsoft. They don't have a great track record. I can't wait to see all the "standards" they make up so that everyone has to do their site design twice.
Safari Does (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Safari Does (Score:5, Informative)
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Not forever. When updates stop, updates stop. There's a relatively short time when old OSs still get updates.
An up-to-date 10.10 Mac shows webkit version 600.5.17. A 10.6.8 Mac has 534.59.10. A 10.3.9 Mac has 312.9. (According to http://browserspy.dk/webkit.ph... [browserspy.dk] ) Current webkit nightlies (.dmg) won't run on 10.6 or 10.8. MAYBE I could build from source, but a) I doubt it and b) effectively no one, anywhere, does that.
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That's true, but FireFox and Chrome don't maintain backwards compatibility forever, either. Firefox 16 and Chrome 21 are the last versions that support 10.5. And older, 32-bit-only machines are limited to Chrome 38 even if they're running 10.6.x. Otherwise, I think they're both still supporting 10.6.8 for now, but it is probably just a matter of time.
IIRC, they already don't support certain features on old operating systems. For example, Chrome supports WebGL only on 10.8 and later (unless they've chan
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I was really surprised to learn recently that Chrome's support for OS X 10.6 is one of the main things blocking Skia from adopting C++11 library features (i.e. the things that make C++ not completely suck as a language). 10.6 has been officially unsupported for over a year and the last security update was a few months before that. It has known security holes (including one from missing bounds checking in DMA requests to the GPU that allows privilege escalation and might be exploitable from WebGL). Keepin
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FWIW, a number of critical Foundation-level APIs are C++ under the hood. Whether linking a newer libc++ dylib would cause them to break or not, I couldn't begin to guess.
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It wasn't always like that. Windows XP went from, what, IE5 or 6 all the way up to IE9? Or something like that? Anyway I'm sure I have the version numbers wrong, but several versions were supported under XP.
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XP only supported IE6 through IE8. That's kind of weak considering that it was supported by Microsoft for over a decade.
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Google said they're dropping XP support for Chrome this month.
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http://www.cnet.com/news/google-to-support-chrome-on-windows-xp-until-end-of-2015/
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...except Safari, and mobile browsers in general. Also, expect XP support to disappear from Chrome shortly.
On the other hand, Microsoft has made it a point to discourage users from installing OS upgrades, by charging lots of money for them and changing core functionality in undesirable ways.
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Google already discontinued Chrome for XP didn't they?
Instead of expecting a lot of complaints with Chrome rendering funny since they have an older version I think their computers will die sooner. Capacitors and hard disks only last for so long and after 8 years rapidly start breaking down. It is not like you can install XP on a modern system today anyway. So this means those rapidly dying are from 2008 the last year of Vista.
By next year the 2009 era pcs will start going away in droves and by then Windows
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You underestimate the longevity of a desktop computer, if it's not affected by past "plagues" (no-brand memory plague, PSU plague, capacitor plague and some problems with lead-free solder)
I think we're gonna see a huge problem again in 2020 if Windows 7 is EOL'ed then.
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Considering that Windows 10 will be free for anyone with Windows 7 or Windows 8, legal copy or not, I don't see a problem. Additionally, all current browsers are shit. There isn't a single one that behaves the way I want with the features I want with the performance that I want. Microsoft does make some good products, so I'm looking forward to trying their new browser.
Microsoft Edge? (Score:5, Funny)
So.. ME instead of IE? ME.... reminds me of Windows ME. *shudder*.
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I thought they were dead until Slashdot reported the horror that Apple was providing users with FREE content. :)
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Free?
Free as in beer?
Free as in speech?
Free as in a kick in the nuts?
It's not just the best things in live that are free.
The worst things in live are free too.
Re:Microsoft Edge? (Score:5, Funny)
Nah, just E.
It will be introduced to the public via incredibly annoying commercials featuring stereotypical frat guys telling each other "Duuuude! She so wants the E!" "Ya man, I showed her my E last night and she was all over it!" and so on. Ending with them in uncomfortable silence after one of them (probably the token uncool guy) makes a homoerotic comment about another guy's E.
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... why does that sound so horribly plausible?
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Nah, just E. It will be introduced to the public via incredibly annoying commercials.
They'll probably ressurect that annoying "You're getting a Dell" guy.
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And then they'll put it on computers and call it e-E.
Re:Microsoft Edge? (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, at least users won't be confused. They can still "click on the E" to get to the Internet.
Which E to click? (Score:2)
Yes they will. So long as Internet Explorer and Edge are both shipped as part of Windows, you'll get "Why does buttbook look different when I click on this E vs. this E?"
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Behold the worst commercial by any company ever:
The Martinettis Bring Home A Computer [youtube.com] by Apple, Inc.
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Microsoft have always had problems naming things.
The rationale for calling the browser Edge, shows their corporate Think: "being on the edge of consuming and creating". Really? The MS marketing dept. fucked that up well and truly.
The issue here is that they could have called it what they wanted and associated any wordage to it, patted themselves on the back and gone out to a very long lunch. What they failed to do is to use the word in a sentence. "Have you got Edge?"
No I haven't. I'm as blunt as the family
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I've been thinking it ties in to other parts of their naming scheme, like Surface. "Use Edge on Surface." All they need is a Microsoft Corner or maybe Internet Bevel and they can capture the lucrative carpenters market.
Seriously, Slashdot? (Score:2)
What's the slashdot equivalent of "shitpost?" You might have at least mentioned that it's going to have a new renderer and support for extensions, rather than just farting out a 3 sentence blurb about the name.
However, only Edge will use Microsoft’s new rendering engine of the same name. ...
Developers will be able to take their Chrome extensions or Firefox add-ons and, with “just a few changes,” bring them to Microsoft Edge. Belfiore demoed a Reddit extension originally built for Chrome, running on Microsoft Edge.
And yeah, the "Reddit extension" in question is RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite).
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Developers will be able to take their Chrome extensions or Firefox add-ons and, with “just a few changes,” bring them to Microsoft Edge. Belfiore demoed a Reddit extension originally built for Chrome, running on Microsoft Edge.
I wondered why they'd bothered, but this might explain part of it. It's been ages since MS had a real go at EEE. Embrace other browsers' extensions, extend the standards so they no longer work with the original browsers and then extinguish them. I don't think it'll work this time though.
Is there anything to actually recommend Spartan ? (Score:1)
As it stands the only way I use I.E. is if my mouse hand decided to pull a Dr. Strangelove on me https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] (for those that won't get the ref)
I mean what insanity is microsoft trying this time to get people to use it ? Hijacking other browsers display windows ?
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Makes job much easier for Web developers to have a more up to date and compliant browser. Grandma and Mom's do not know what a browser and will always click the blue E out of habit because of familiarity even if Chrome is installed
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No good reason for Grandma to use Chrome anyway, or anyone else for that matter.
E = Internet (Score:1)
How are people going to tell which big E means Internet?
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Named appropriately (Score:2)
For all the new edge use cases of extra css and js conditional statements needed to display content properly ... ducks
They're probably right... (Score:1)
Big News! (Score:5, Funny)
The last big news about Windows 10 was Spartan. Today's big news about Windows 10 is that Spartan has been re-named.
I can't tell you how excited I am. Really, I can't.
Allows them to keep the blue "e" (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me guess.. (Score:1)
Every time they're about to release, things grind to a halt?
Internet Explorer not cool enough (Score:1)
for the inept generation? Too many letters and words?
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Actually I was thinking Edge will still decline due to the icon.
Yes Mom and Grandma will still click on it out of habit, but the millenial generation won't even give it a chance. They will see the E and think of IE 7 at work and go eww and click on Chrome instead etc.
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Once you've eaten one shit sandwich and it tasted like ass, you're a bit leery of the same guy who says "buttttt this one's chocolate!"
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I think of the Chrome at work and click on SeaMonkey.
Why would I use anything else when given the choice?
I think our namespace is getting too crowded... (Score:5, Funny)
Edge?
Would that be named after the mobile broadband technology, the guitarist from U2 or Samsung's flagship smartphone? Why don't they give it a meaningful name that somehow relates to its function, like, er, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Mozilla, SeaMonkey... Oh, right. Failing that, why not the old, reliable pseudo Latin/Greek names: Webia, Browsium, internet startup names (MeWeb, WebBox, WeBrowse...) or even retro Unix names ('yawb', 'enie')?
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Re:I think our namespace is getting too crowded... (Score:5, Insightful)
IE has long supported a header:
X-UA-Compatible: IE=edge
This tells it that your website is compatible with the "edge" of technology... the latest stuff the browser supports. If you don't have it, IE might determine your site needs to be run in IE6 compatibility mode.
This idea of the "edge" has been around IE since I believe IE10. The concept has clearly stuck.
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Edge, when you open it, you fall off it (Score:2)
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Microsoft Labia has a nice ring to it.
They named it Edge years ago (Score:5, Informative)
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge" />
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No, that means latest, as in bleeding edge.
Ie 11 has compatibility settings for Edge, 10, 9, 8, 7. How could it implement compatibility with a non existent browser?
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Was anyone else reminded of Ubuntu Edge? (Score:2)
From a Microsoft hater (Score:4, Informative)
Microsoft has been wallowing in a Ballmer induced miasma since Vista, they have lost their way. And even though 7 didn't suck - how's that for damning with faint praise? - Windows 8 and 8.1 had the shithouse rats complaining about the stench.
But I'm really really hoping that they climb out of the abyss, and return the user experience to XP days, which was one where people came as close to "just doing stuff" as Microsoft ever did.
Waiting hopefully, and if they don't, it's not a huge problem, I've got my Linux and OSX machines - but maybe pappy wants a new toy, a bright shiny Windows lappy.
So, its like IE... (Score:2)
But grittier, dark and edgy?
Isn't it just a rebranded IE? (Score:2)
A browser we don't need, want and would like to go away gets renamed and we celebrate like something has changed.
I doubt they completely rewrote it. Their marketing department has a long history of talking about IE standards compliance and IE's technology leadership which is well known. So why does the marketing department get a pass this time around?
I'm not going to call it Edge. It's just going to be newer versions of IE to me. They'd be better calling it "web browser" or "browser" and leave it at that.
So the... (Score:1)
... HTTP 500: the server made a Bono
It can be worse than IE. Can it? Can it? (Score:2)
Sob!
I wonder how thoroughly they will f*ck it up. If it's as bad as active X then the pit of despair has no bottom.
How many years has it been since anyone here (Score:2)
opened IE. Web devs don't count.
For me it's been at least a year.
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I did, about a week ago. I can't see myself using it because of the GUI. It's not very easy to use on a desktop as too many things are now hidden, buried or just not there anymore.
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IE at this point is arguably better than Firefox, the later having fallen from grace quite a bit.
Also, I know you said web devs don't count, but recently, IE11's devtools have been updated to be pretty good. They're not on par with Chrome's, but for some stuff (sourcemaps), they're better (and are leaps and bounds better than anything available on Firefox).
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For a long time, at work, I didn't have any choice. It was fairly recent that they installed FF as a secondary browser. I still use IE for some of the internal web stuff, since some of it doesn't work with FF.
Killer feature (Score:5, Funny)
Just watched the promo video. It looks f**king awesome!
Away with consumption (according to the video; writing HTML) and towards creating (according to the video; drawing a smiley face)!
The "drawing mustaches on marsupials" feating is the killer feature of a new generation of browsers.
Can your Chrome or Firefix draw mustaches on marsupials? Does it even HAVE mustaches?
Do you want to be a slave to consumption? Making webpages? While you can be the god of your own highlighted-random-text creations?
Longer URLs & .tgz download (Score:1)
Wondering (Score:2)
sounds like a phone (Score:2)
or a phailure
Microsoft and Ford? (Score:1)
Will they keep the blue e logo? (Score:2)
I'm thinking that, just like each succeeding version of MS Windows was based on the same actual code base just with changes, so too will MSE be essentially MSIE under the hood PERHAPS with some cosmetic changes to make people think it's different.
Microsoft Internet Explorer by any other name is still Microsoft Internet Explorer. I suspect that they're trying - desperately trying - to dump the poor reputation their browser has but I really doubt they would want to write the software completely from scratch l
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AKA "Wow, the DMV is full of people who look different to me, because of that, I'm going to discriminate against them all".
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Hey everybody, Anonymous Coward is having a bad day. Could you all be a little extra nice to him?
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Newsflash: The talented asshole who ran Apple died in 2011.