25 Percent of Cars Cause 90 Percent of Air Pollution 395
HughPickens.com writes: Sara Novak reports that according to a recent study, "badly tuned" cars and trucks make up one quarter of the vehicles on the road, but cause 95 percent of black carbon, also known as soot, 93 percent of carbon monoxide, and 76 percent of volatile organic chemicals like benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylenes. "The most surprising thing we found was how broad the range of emissions was," says Greg Evans. "As we looked at the exhaust coming out of individual vehicles, we saw so many variations. How you drive, hard acceleration, age of the vehicle, how the car is maintained – these are things we can influence that can all have an effect on pollution." Researchers at the University of Toronto looked at 100,000 cars as they drove past air sampling probes on one of Toronto's major roads. An automated identification and integration method was applied to high time resolution air pollutant measurements of in-use vehicle emissions performed under real-world conditions at a near-road monitoring station in Toronto, Canada during four seasons, through month-long campaigns in 2013–2014. Based on carbon dioxide measurements, over 100 000 vehicle-related plumes were automatically identified and fuel-based emission factors for nitrogen oxides; carbon monoxide; particle number, black carbon; benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylenes (BTEX); and methanol were determined for each plume. Evans and his team found that policy changes need to better target cars that are causing the majority of the air pollution. "The ultrafine particles are particularly troubling," says Evans. "Because they are over 1,000 times smaller than the width of a human hair, they have a greater ability to penetrate deeper within the lung and travel in the body."
Why concentrate on Canada (Score:2)
... when the most populated countries have probably the highest percentage of badly tuned cars?
We share the same atmosphere.
Re:Why concentrate on Canada (Score:4, Informative)
(Also, we only share the same atmosphere on average. For, say, an urban area with lots of vehicle traffic, the amount of soot people are inhaling is going to depend very substantially on the vehicles in local use, with much weaker effects from more distant sources.)
Re:Why concentrate on Canada (Score:5, Insightful)
Concerning such pollutants, we actually don't share the same atmosphere. These sort of pollutants have short atmospheric residence periods, they're mainly problems at or near the point of emission (the particular distance that they pose a problem for depends on the type of pollutant).
It's one of the reasons that even if electric cars didn't cut down in pollution (which studies repeatedly show that they do) and simply moved the same amount of pollution from the streets to the top of power plant smokestacks, they'd still improve public health on average. Any pollutants you do emit, you want them as far as possible away from where most people are (aka, away from areas with lots of traffic, aka, lots of people), and as high up as possible.
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I guess that it makes sense for a Canadian University to conduct experiments in Canada.
The team suggested the Bahamas but for some reason, it was rejected.
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You jest but your proposal isn't so absurd. The Carribean is where old cars from the mainland go after they become too ratty for spoiled 1st worlders. Canadians doing a study there also doesn't seem so strange since my own alma mater has an outpost there.
Besides, there are these things called boats and planes.
"The ultrafine particles are particularly ... (Score:4, Funny)
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My small car puts out particles so big that they're visible, you insensitive clod!
(And it's supposed to do that... it's a pre-2007 Diesel. Of course, it has a functioning EGR system and uses Biodiesel, so it doesn't put out as much of them.)
(In fact, the emerging concern over "ultra-fine particles" is starting to make me wonder if engineering the soot out of Diesels -- which doesn't make it go away, but just makes the particles the same size as those produced by gasoline engines -- might not have been such
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Cash-for-clunkers Redux (Score:2, Insightful)
Cue the next massive-fail version of a government program.
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Depends how it's implemented. My locality has a 2 year mandatory emissions check for $20 that has reduced these types of pollution by over 1/3.
Re:Cash-for-clunkers Redux (Score:4, Insightful)
You have to remember that "Cash for Clunkers" was not intended to reduce emissions. It was intended to provide a short-term stimulus to the auto industry. In that regard it worked for a short time, as intended; however, it led to a situation where the auto industry faced low orders after the program ended because people had just "rescheduled" intended purchases.
There was also the problem that the program was rather restrictive and actually disqualified many of the vehicles that should have been removed from the road if emission reduction had been a goal.
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the last time in NYC my in'law's 2003 Acuca qualified but not the 1992 Ford
1st: Who Owns the 25% least well-tuned autos? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hell, many of them probably wish they could afford to repair or replace the jalopies...sigh, fucking poor people are killing us again.
Re:1st: Who Owns the 25% least well-tuned autos? (Score:5, Funny)
fucking poor people are killing us again.
Indeed, fucking poor people are overpopulating the planet. If only they'd either stop being poor, or stop fucking.
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Re:1st: Who Owns the 25% least well-tuned autos? (Score:5, Insightful)
Poor people may also drive less overall miles in those higher polluting vehicles.
The poorer you are, the less likely you are to be able to afford to live close to work.
Correlation between commute length and income (Score:2)
The poorer you are, the less likely you are to be able to afford to live close to work.
Not every place is like San Francisco where there is a strong correlation between longer commute length and affordable housing. It varies quite a lot by municipality regarding how far your commute might be [census.gov].
Re:1st: Who Owns the 25% least well-tuned autos? (Score:4, Funny)
Ah, the system works.
Elephant in the room... (Score:3)
At least in Ontario (where this study was conducted), every car is required to be clean tested every 2 years. Which is a stupid cash grab really, as my 2002 tests just as good now as it ever did. It is the *really* old cars that are likely a problem. However I bet there are exemptions out there for classic cars etc...
What I would like to see measured, is how much of this is not personal transportation, but rather commercial trucks... Everything is delivered by truck now. I bet they are by far the worst offe
Re:1st: Who Owns the 25% least well-tuned autos? (Score:4, Insightful)
The poorest drivers probably own the lion's share of them. Individuals are likely even aware of their vehicle's condition.
Hell, many of them probably wish they could afford to repair or replace the jalopies...sigh, fucking poor people are killing us again.
Some are, but some are also owned by wealthy people. I have a 1960's sportscar. I know a bunch of other people who do (coz we all belong to a british sportscar club.) I've added emissions control stuff to my car, and even then it has 10x the levels of emissions that my late-model daily driver has. Most of the other people in the club wouldn't even consider adding fuel injection, catalytic converter, and O2 sensors to their 1950's Jaguars, and when I'm walking around in the paddock at the track, it's pretty obvious that the best tuning they can do on their old carbs is still terrible.
Old cars and poor people are to some extent a self-solving problem: they can't afford to keep fixing them. When you see a car that's more than 40 years old, it's likely the driver has money and is keeping that car on the road by desire, not necessity.
Re:1st: Who Owns the 25% least well-tuned autos? (Score:5, Insightful)
Like tax breaks for hybrid/elec vehicles?
Well Cash for Clunkers certainly didn't help in US (Score:2)
If the car was too much of a POS, you couldn't get the credit.
So all they did was take a bunch of relatively clean cars off the road, but left the dirty ones.
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If the car was too much of a POS, you couldn't get the credit.
So all they did was take a bunch of relatively clean cars off the road, but left the dirty ones.
Cash for clunkers wasn't about pollution. It was about bailing out auto companies. Both initially by the government subsidizing the purchase and later by removing late model vehicles from the used car market causing used cars to increase in price to a point where new cars were seen as an attractive option.
Ironically, the upper middle class would have purchased new vehicles anyway, but the lower middle class and the poor were priced out of the "good" used car market and had to stick with what they had or rep
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So all they did was take a bunch of relatively clean cars off the road, but left the dirty ones.
I strongly disagree. Look at a summary of the stats [about.com] to see that the most-traded vehicles were light trucks. We're talking about a bunch of sloppy old pickup trucks with little or no emissions controls, usually literally nothing but one O2 sensor, an EGR, a PCV, and a catalyst. But modern light trucks have the same kinds of emissions controls as cars, even though the standards aren't as strict, so they do have much lower emissions.
This is why we have emissions inspections.. (Score:4, Informative)
Every year or two we undergo emissions inspections - they use a sensor to measure what is in the exhaust gas, and if things are outside of the required limits, you have to fix it. In addition, they use the OBDII port to see if there are any codes being thrown by the engine, and if there are you have to fix those as well.
Older cars were grandfathered in, and only need to pass whatever the standards were at the time they were manufactured.
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Burdensome on low income people (Score:5, Insightful)
When I was just out of college and broke I had a car that was clean and was reliable.
When our state began emissions inspections my car failed and I was required to fix it. The repair estimate was $400 (in 1992) and I didn't have $400 to fix my car, so I had to stop driving it.
I was lucky that of the two part-time jobs I had to make ends meet, one agreed to change the store I worked at to a location within reasonable walking distance AND the hours I worked to accommodate the bus trip I now I had to make every day to my other job (I rode the bus on days I only worked that job anyway).
For a lot of people, though, they just don't make enough money to afford these kinds of repairs and they NEED a car to get to work or school or childcare or whatever their responsibilities are.
Mandating this kind of fine-tuning sounds like a great idea, but it ultimately becomes another punitive burden on low-income people. If I wasn't lucky enough to have the alternatives I had, I would have been out of a job or forced to drive illegally.
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Mandating this kind of fine-tuning sounds like a great idea, but it ultimately becomes another punitive burden on low-income people. If I wasn't lucky enough to have the alternatives I had, I would have been out of a job or forced to drive illegally.
California has a system by which low-income people get some money from the state to fix their emissions problems. Your state should have instituted a grandfathering system to permit you to continue to get to work, while emissions-testing newer vehicles — precisely the same system that California uses. California also doesn't test very old vehicles, because there are so few of them on the road they can't possibly add up to much. However, if you manage to wander into an emissions checkpoint someplace (l
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What they should have done was mandate the emission testing process on used vehicles before they could be sold. This would have left everyone who already owned a car free from testing unless they went to sell it.
My guess is that more newer cars change hands, so the burden on used car sellers would have been less.
I did get a waiver for one year, but by next year I had to fix it or stop driving it. I borrowed money from a relative to get it fixed to pass emissions, but whatever they did was a poor fix becau
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"Clean" is a term of art in the world of cars that describes a vehicle that is free of body and interior defects. It's not related to emissions, although my car did not have any noticeable emissions nor did it burn any oil.
As for reliable, it started and ran consistently and was free of mechanical defects in the engine and powertrain that would have affected its ability to be safely driven.
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Inspections eventually become a boondoggle (Score:5, Interesting)
Say an inspection costs $25 and 1 in 10 cars is not in compliance. You're basically paying $250 to detect each polluting car and require it be fixed. That's probably a worthwhile tradeoff.
Now fast-forward. After decades of inspections have successfully weeded out the worst-polluting cars, only 1 in say 1,000 cars is not in compliance. You're now siphoning $25,000 out of the economy to detect each polluting car. There's no way that's worth it.
California is pretty much already in that second state. 20 years ago the companies that make the emissions testing equipment suggested a much more financially sensible solution. Stop the inspections or reduce them to random lottery inspections which would hit each car on average every 10 years - the vast majority of cars are already clean enough and there's little to be gained from annual or bi-annual inspections. Instead, place detection equipment like used in TFA on places where cars pass by single-file, like freeway on-ramps. This equipment would automatically measure the emissions of each passing car (or truck), and if a particular car was dirty it would snap a photo of the license plate. If a car was flagged repeatedly at multiple stations, the State could then issue the owner a notice requiring him to fix it.
But the idea never got anywhere because the auto repair shops lobbied heavily against it. See, these inspections have become a billion dollar business, and they didn't want to lose that money. One person wasting money is another person making easy money.
What's the footprint of ecosalon.com? / tuning (Score:2)
Tuning is indeed important - as is balancing wheels; two fairly inexpensive steps you can take to get better efficiency out of your car.
But when I tried to look in the first-linked article for tuning.. I couldn't. It was stuck. I tried to click on the link for the study - I couldn't. It was stuck. I figured I'd wait it out.. that was a long wait.
By the time I could finally click the link for 'the study' (which is the 3rd link in TFS, for what it's worth, so just skip to that one), this is what the conso
Always Been This Way (Score:2)
It's always been like this. The focus on making new cars cleaner has always had small returns since you are simply making the cars that produce 10% of the pollution better and if you convert them all to "magic pixie dust fuel", you will still be left with the 90% from the broken cars. Previous studies have also shown that the pattern of which 25% isn't obvious. It isn't a simple rule like "old cars produce more NOx". Even a nearly new car can become a polluter without the owner noticing. Fortunately, the so
Personal Responsibility (Score:3)
As an RX8 owner, I'm probably responsible for at least half that total.
With the catalyst gone out the tailpipe it smells like a refinery fire going up the road. A very fast refinery fire.
Re:Personal Responsibility (Score:5, Insightful)
Then fix your damn catalytic converter, for fuck's sake!
You know, even if you're an enthusiast there's no excuse not to have a functioning cat. It's not as if it makes more than a negligible difference in horsepower (especially if the car is close to stock). I have a 25-year-old Miata that I use for autocross, and you know what? Even though it's so old that it's no longer even required to meet emissions, all the equipment is still intact, it doesn't smoke, and it doesn't smell. If I had to get it emissions-tested tomorrow, I'd fully expect it to pass with flying colors.
Now, as for your rotor apex seals, those I can't blame you for failing to replace since they require disassembling the engine. But the cat isn't enough trouble to justify neglecting.
Coal Rollers (Score:3)
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Actually, we discussed here on Slashdot in days of yore about how cars emit more black carbon than previously thought [slashdot.org], specifically ultra-fine (e.g. "PM2.5") particulates which are the most hazardous to human health. And we've discussed on other occasions how diesel particulate re-burning systems convert their large-particulate soot into fine-particulate soot before releasing it into the atmosphere.
One solution might be to convert to gaseous fuels, a plan with few drawbacks. You wouldn't primarily convert v
So, target the poor then? (Score:2)
Effectively you'll be targeting the poorest people in your country, since they're the ones most likely to own older, less well-maintained cars.
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Europe has emissions testing already. Nobody suffered.
If every car has to pass emissions tests, then all cars are the same. The ones that fail the test fail the test the same as if their brakes don't work or the engine doesn't start.
There were no riots, the poor didn't go vehicle-less, it just means that all cars come with catalytic converters as standard, emit inside emission guidelines, and do that from new until the day they are taken off the road.
Saying "the poor can't afford it" is a poor argument.
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Yep.
And, en-route, invented electronic engine management, catalytic converters and everything else required to meet those targets, which is now all compulsory equipment, standard and included on all cars. Not a bad thing at all.
If you're worried about it, test old cars regularly and take them off the road. If you don't, then you're not worried about it.
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Yep.
And, en-route, invented electronic engine management, catalytic converters and everything else required to meet those targets, which is now all compulsory equipment, standard and included on all cars. Not a bad thing at all.
If you're worried about it, test old cars regularly and take them off the road. If you don't, then you're not worried about it.
Cars, in locales that have emission testing, are only required to meet the emission requirements in place for the year manufactured. This is a good thing, because otherwise, emission standards could be tightened and everybody would be forced to buy a new car. Since older cars have a finite life, the problem of poorly running old cars will eventually resolve itself. When that occurs, the studies will show that overpowered high horse-powered cars and SUVs are the major polluters. Unfortunately, there doesn'
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Good because some of us do not want to be forced to drive some tincan put put. I have a truck, it tows things it hauls things and still have enough umph to get the hell out of the way when some idiot driver does something stupid and aftermarket brakes stopping me faster than anything stock. I've also got a cheap and cheerful but still reasonably quick and agile hatchback for school/grocery runs.
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and does not let you back on the road if the values are bad.
True, but either some people evade the tests altogether or their cars deteriorate a lot in the 12-months between. Just last week I was behind a car leaving a trail of blue smoke
This is really odd (Score:2)
What makes it so gross polluters are still out there is because after failing said emissions check, a waiver can be obtained.
They are easy to spot (Score:2)
A 1/4" layer of black soot covering the back bumper.
I see a lot of chipped up Diesels pukeing blackness.
A lot of Eco friendly BIO-Diesel fueled are difficult to drive behind and show significant amounts of blue smoke.
Lets sniff a TriMet short bus, the big ones must have cats on them. The small ones are really bad.
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Yes, this makes me grumpy. My 1982 300SD only smokes when it's cold. I had a 1981 before, though, that would coat its back bumper with oil. I didn't have the wherewithal to rebuild it at the time, and it needed more than a valve adjustment. Anyway, the secret in its case is that the vacuum lines aren't clogged and the linkages are greased. That's all it takes.
And then you have "rolling coal" (Score:3)
And then you have the small subset of people that believe it makes sense to protest emissions regulations by having a switch that makes their diesel run super-rich and throw plumes of thick smoke out the tailpipe.
80/20 (Score:2)
still works
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Up next... (Score:2)
Up next on the news US Congress votes that pollution from cars is not a man made phenomenon, but part of a natural cycle..
Twenty Years Ago in Ventura County (Score:5, Insightful)
That this would be a new idea surprises me. In 2009, the US had the Car Allowance Rebate System (aka Cash for Clunkers) program which likely helped reduce emissions even it was more of an economic program. Further back, twenty years ago Ventura County offered money to get old clunkers off the road strictly for emissions reasons. In 1995 per the article I link below, "More than 50% of the smog comes from vehicle emissions and a large percentage of that comes from older, pre-1974 clunkers." If you look at the distribution of cars, many are late model, well-maintained, and operating at or very near their peak. But as cars age and lose value, newer cars are built to higher emissions (and safety) standards, the parts get worn, routine maintenance gets done but many repairs aren't done because it isn't worth it based on the value of the vehicle. In areas without emissions testing, there is absolutely zero incentive to worry about it with an older vehicle. I realize this every time I get behind a vehicle that is smoking or burns my eyes because it is in such bad shape. This is not even about zero or low emissions, it is simply about getting extreme polluters off the road.
Bottom line: Encourage people to replace clunkers and keep their vehicle well-maintained.
As an odd aside, there are articles that show a similar distribution of costs in emergency room. A small number of patients dominate ER costs in the US because they have no insurance and chronic conditions. Google that one for yourself.
Ventura County Reference: http://articles.latimes.com/19... [latimes.com]
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The problem is maintenance.
If you have a clunker worth $1500 or so, you won't do anything to it that costs more than $100 or so - basically a tank of gas. If it emits a pile of smoke out the tailpipe, you aren't going to fix it because it'll cost more than the car itself.
Yes, not buying a new one costs less in resources. However, once you've reached th
As usual, the title is misleading (Score:2)
Except where they clarify in the article's lede, the title, summary, and article makes it sound like these 25% of vehicles cause 90% of the air pollution on the entire planet. Let's not forget that the millions of cars on the road are nothing compared to large factories or even a small fleet of cargo ships.
Certainly let's do something about those old cars, but that's not the real problem.
Really? (Score:2)
Morons in Bro-Dozers (Score:2)
25% that accounts for all the idiots in the big lifted pickup trucks belching black smoke.
How one drives is a big part of the story (Score:5, Informative)
It's easy to meet EPA standards on test bench. Out in the real world it becomes a lot harder. Heavy acceleration is bound to dump all kinds of particulates, NOx, and CO, despite pollution controls like catalytic converters. Things like catalytic converters and other pollution controls run best under constant conditions, with the proper amount of fuel to air, temperature, etc. All of which probably works well while cruising at constant speed down the open road. The moment you start doing stop and go, all bets are off. Hit the gas pedal hard and the fuel mixture goes fairly rich as the engine tries to keep up. I'm not a hypermiler freak, but I do tend to accelerate and brake conservatively (I have a CDL and drive big trucks occasionally as well, which influences my habits) which seems to anger people in city driving, unfortunately. I also try to take curves in a manner that makes things as smooth as possible.
Most people on the road seem to not care one bit about fuel consumption and race from light to light, without actually getting ahead of anyone doing that, nor actually getting anywhere faster. I'm sure emissions could be curtailed quite a bit if everyone just slowed down and cars limited their acceleration to something realistic.
I imagine these horribly-bad 25% of cars emitting the most pollution would do a lot better if people would drive them properly.
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Soot in US (Score:2)
Those fine particles spewed out from truck exhausts in those bullies crawling uphill going in your lungs - not an issue at all - that would go against the contractually granted right in the TPP for Chinese truck manufacturers to make profit.
Particulate filters work (Score:3)
I drive two trucks that were both brand new in 2013. One of them is a Freightliner Cascadia, the other a Ford F150 with the 5.0 "coyote" engine.
The Freightliner has almost 400,000 miles on the clock now, while the Ford has a mere 25,000. The inside of the stack on the Freightliner is still as silver and shiny as the day it was new. The inside of the tailpipes on the Ford have been black since about day two of operation.
With all the advances in gasoline engines, and all the technology in this 5.0 I'm driving, I was really surprised by how comparatively dirty it is. Considering the days when my trailers used to have a black streak running their whole length, I never expected a diesel to be radically cleaner than a gasoline engine. The key to the whole thing is the diesel particulate filter, and it obviously works very well.
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CO2 emissions are proportional to fuel consumption, so I guess there's no point measuring that figure; the fuel efficiency of vehicles is a known quantity. I guess it would have been interesting to have CO2 figures included for comparison with the other numbers though.
CO2 level was actually used to automatically identify the exhast gasses in the study, so maybe they actually had those figures, without reading the full paper it's hard to say. From the abstract;
"Based on carbon dioxide measurements, over 100
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CO2 emissions are proportional to fuel consumption, so I guess there's no point measuring that figure; the fuel efficiency of vehicles is a known quantity.
But are these vehicule really causing 90% of the pollution? Maybe it's only 35% when you count CO2 who knows?
Re:As long as you don't count CO2... (Score:5, Insightful)
CO2 is not a pollutant but a greenhouse gas.
Otherwise you're making an argument that every time you exhale, you're polluting the air.
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Of course global warning is a major problem. But it's not a problem of pollution, it's a problem of global warming.
This study focuses on pollution rather than CO2 emissions, for quite obvious reasons. CO2 emission is directly correlated to amount of fuel burned, whereas pollutant emission is related to other things like how optimal of a burn it is, how good is the catalytic filter on the exhaust is and so on.
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Exactly. CO2 emissions are not themselves the problem. That they're coming from fossil fuels is the problem. If cars all burned ethanol or bio-diesel it would be a non-issue. Well, I suppose they'd still contribute tot he heat-island effect around cities, but that's a much smaller and not always unwelcome side effect. It's only because we're pumping geologically sequestered carbon into the atmosphere, completely unbalancing the geological carbon cycle, that we have a problem.
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No, the mercury itself is the problem - it's a nasty toxin no matter where it's coming from.
CO2 on the other hand is harmless in normal concentrations, and in fact is absolutely vital to the healthy functioning of our ecology. The only problem with it is that we're producing it from sources where the carbon would normally remain sequestered for many, many more millions of years, and in the process disrupting the thermal equilibrium of the planet, threatening to push it past the tipping point to the other b
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It is not helpful to be that general about the issue. The problem of air pollution has different causes and different effects than the problem of greenhouse gas emissions.
A pollutant is a substance or energy introduced into the environment that has undesired effects, or adversely affects the usefulness of a resource. Too much CO2 has undesired effects, but is already part of the environment. That's like saying water is a pollutant if there is so much of it introduced that you get an overflow. Sure, it's
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The problem is not the comparative amount of CO2 that humans are producing, it's that the ecological carbon cycle is not well equipped to deal with changes in the the total amount of carbon present - that normally only varies on geological timescales, as carbon normally only flows into/out of geological stockpiles *very* slowly (and usually in a fairly balanced manner, so that there is only a tiny net change). Burning fossil fuel is the exception - we're releasing geological carbon into the atmosphere much
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My mistake - just looked it up again and apparently human CO2 emissios are 100x greater than the most generous estimates of volcanic emissions. I knew that number felt wrong.
Also, here's a nice image showing the carbon cycle in a bit more detail.
http://essayweb.net/geology/qu... [essayweb.net]
Notice that it shows carbon flow in both directions - so for example every year vegetation sucks 121.3Gt of carbon out of the atmosphere while releasing 60 Gt back directly, and a further 60GT back from the soil (decomposition, pres
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Every bit of CO2 emitted from cars into the atmosphere is a pollutant because it would not be there otherwise.
The extremity of that view is why it is wrong.
Cars can absolutely be run on chemical carbon fuel sources that are derived from the extant carbon cycle. Think biofuel.
Inserting another link in the carbon cycle to extract energy from it for the purpose of doing work is not a bad thing. The problem is that we're sourcing the carbon for the work from outside of the cycle. (Below the soil layer)
Re:As long as you don't count CO2... (Score:4, Interesting)
CO2 emissions are proportional to fuel consumption, so I guess there's no point measuring that figure; the fuel efficiency of vehicles is a known quantity.
But are these vehicule really causing 90% of the pollution? Maybe it's only 35% when you count CO2 who knows?
Some of the listed pollutants are the results of incomplete combustion. It's worthwhile to include CO2, since there's a very good chance that the offending vehicles may therefore be releasing less waste in CO2 form.
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You need some new motorhead friends. They are referring to 80s cars.
It's different now. You just can't remove the emission control, they aren't just add-ons anymore.
Pulling out the fuel injection and bolting on a carb will cost you power.
Also OBD2 scanners are $12 today.
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So, that brings up the question of priorities. Is CO2 pollution a bigger concern than these other pollutants, which to we spend our money on and get the most benefit? I know its not an either or situation, but there are choices to be made.
It should also be noted that the study was in Canada, and may not be indicative of the US, where each state has its own inspectio
Re:As long as you don't count CO2... (Score:5, Insightful)
CO2 is in a different category than "air pollution" in the sense that "air pollution" causes health problems (directly), while CO2 only causes climate change.
It's also in a different category because the solution to reducing it is different. In theory, it would be possible to eliminate all "air pollution" other than CO2 from an internal-combustion engine exhaust, if you had the right kind of catalytic converter/filter/etc. on it. In contrast, the only way to eliminate CO2 from an internal-combustion engine is to turn it off.
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In contrast, the only way to eliminate CO2 from an internal-combustion engine is to turn it off.
That's not entirely true. It would probably be cost prohibitive but it should be possible to create a system that routes the exhaust to a compression chamber and stores the co2 as compressed gas creating a system that has zero emissions. You would still have to dispose of that compressed gas but there are several ways you could dispose of it without releasing it into the atmosphere.
Re:As long as you don't count CO2... (Score:5, Insightful)
A lot was left out of the study. I find their methodology fishy. For example, here's their test area:
Downtown... stop and go for large portions of the day... various driving states... in short, even if two people are driving the exact same car in the exact same condition in the exact same driving style on average, if one at the particular moment of passing the sensor happens to be letting off the gas, while the other just happens to be accelerating when it passes the sensor, the two cars are going to give wildly different pollution readings.
I'll also note that the paper says that it's still in review, aka it hasn't passed peer-review yet.
I'm sure the general premise is right, that small numbers of vehicles cause most pollution. But I think their experimental setup is pretty bad. The stupid thing is they're collecting the data they'd need to control for it - they're taking pictures, which would let them tie vehicle plumes to particular license plate numbers, and then only study vehicles that pass by the sensor a number of times times to that they can get a running average. Another way to control for it would be to have a dozen or so sensors spaced out down the road spaced well apart so that they can average a particular vehicle's emissions on a single drive down the road. But a single sensor, single pass way to rate a vehicle's emissions as good or bad? That's a terrible approach. And they stretch very far on their conclusions based on this approach.
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I'll also note that the paper says that it's still in review, aka it hasn't passed peer-review yet.
Interesting. Hey, no sense waiting for that to push out to the public, right?
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Downtown... stop and go for large portions of the day... various driving states... in short, even if two people are driving the exact same car in the exact same condition in the exact same driving style on average, if one at the particular moment of passing the sensor happens to be letting off the gas, while the other just happens to be accelerating when it passes the sensor, the two cars are going to give wildly different pollution readings.
Oh no, it's way worse than that. See, engine management via O2 sensor is done by continually yawing between rich and lean conditions. When everything is working great this is between 1 Hz (for carbs) up to 7 or 8 Hz (for SFI) but as the O2 sensor ages, it becomes slower to change. As well, how the driver behaved on their way to the particular stretch in road in question will not only change the temperature of various internal components which will obviously influence the experiment, but may also convince th
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It should also be noted that the study was in Canada, and may not be indicative of the US, where each state has its own inspection requirements
Actually it should be noted that the study was done in Ontario and not indicative of the rest of N. America where each of 60+ jurisdictions have their own inspection requirements.
Here in BC (actually only the lower mainland, as in Greater Vancouver) we had smog testing for a couple of decades. At the beginning the results were similar to the study with a small percentage causing the most pollution. After getting those cars fixed or off the roads, the air is much cleaner. The smog test printout also included
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Continuing in the same article: "It is an important greenhouse gas and burning of carbon-based fuels since the industrial revolution has rapidly increased its concentration in the atmosphere, leading to global warming. It is also a major source of ocean acidification since it dissolves in water to form carbonic acid."
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Explain to me again why the addition of something that is " leading to global warming" and "is also a major source of ocean acidification" is not pollution?
Cobalt is a vital element to the human body, critical to health in the sort of quantities naturally consumed. That doesn't mean that it'd be good for us if someone started dumping huge amounts of cobalt in our water supply.
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Why count CO2 as "air pollution"?
Because there's too much of it right now. If we were on Mars, we'd be fining people for not emitting enough CO2, but we aren't. At least, not most of us. Maybe that explains your comment?
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Water vapor also has a mean atmospheric residence time of 2 to 20 days [wustl.edu]. You do something to completely throw water vapor levels off balance, it'll be back to where it was a few weeks later. It can only function as a feedback mechanism; water vapor is limited to fluctuating around a mean. What that mean is depends on the other driving factors in the environment. These are known as forcing. For something to act as forcing, it has to have far longer residence times.
(Note that while on human timescales carbon d
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Unfortunately, Dihydrogen Monoxide is known to be Earth’s most abundant greenhouse gas. [nasa.gov] It's also a major byproduct of burning fossil fuels.
Dihydrogen Monoxide [wikipedia.org] combined with Carbon Dioxide [wikipedia.org] create Carbonated Dihydrogen Monoxide that can cause severe eructation [youtube.com] (warning: the video contains SEVERE ERUCTATIONS).
Trees also like Carbon Dioxide.
So, I have come to the conclusion that the Trees are out to get us!
Before you blame the trees, blame the tree lovers!
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Nukular powered cars!
We should ask ford to resurrect the nucleon [wikipedia.org].
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Newer cars must adhere to stricter emission standards.
And older cars should be held to SOME standard.
I didn't realize how bad it was until I lived for a while in a state without mandatory annual inspection/emissions tests. I bought a car soon after moving, and I discovered that I couldn't really use the normal "vent" to blow air into my car from the outside because it smelled like awful exhaust a large portion of the time. I was stuck almost always using recirculating air, even when it was nice outside and I just wanted some fresh air to move around a bit
Re:Old pieces of junk (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe if someone paid them a decent living wage, they could afford a newer, more well-maintained car.
No, no. that's COMMIE talk!
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Most people produce negative value.
Well then, perhaps they should die and decrease the surplus population,
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New cars are simply a waste of resources.
Public transportation in USA (Score:3, Informative)
There is no way most people can depend on public transportation in US for regular commute. The frequency, and reach of buses/trains are incredibly poor in most of US. The exceptions are the few big cities - NYC, Chicago, Portland etc., that too if you live in an area close to a station.
Not even Bay Area - a high populated urban area - you can depend on public transportation for daily commute unless you have an option for poi
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Speaking as a poor American, the idea that it would be better to be poor in India is so ludicrous that it's impossible to take anything you say seriously. Especially in an article about pollution.
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And the several percent of non-vegans who travel by bicycle instead of cars are acting all smug thinking they're saving the planet, when their consumption of meat for the calories they burn gives them the per-kilometer carbon footprint of an SUV. Plus an order-of-magnitude higher per-kilometer risk of death or serious injury than a person in a car.
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While smug vegans are an occasional annoyance, the microfine pollutants thrown off by poorly maintained trucks seem like a much more clear and present danger to you or me. It's always intruigued me why my car's air filter didn't do a better job at masking trucks that smell like they can't pass the state pollution inspection. Just add that to the long list of carcinogens.
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While I can't dispute the smug factor, is it your hypothesis that bicyclists eat more meat than car drivers?
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They burn more calories (that's where the energy for propulsion comes from). Calories come from food. If meat is part of their diet, then yes, they eat more meat. Which has a huge CO2 footprint associated with it. Vegetables too have often very high CO2 footprints per calorie (because they have so few calories). As does anything shipped in from long distances away.
A cyclist can maintain a low CO2 footprint, but only by eating a diet that has low CO2 emissions per calorie - for example, locally grown grains, potatoes, etc.
Now, an electric bicycle is a different story; they have incredibly low CO2 footprints.
(It's not just a stereotype that athletes eat big meals after a big game or hard workout. They have to to not lose weight to the point that they lose energy and their body starts to eat itself. While a disturbing number of people seem to have this notion that exercise is "free energy", it's simply not the reality. Yes, a person being fit and thin by exercising regularly will have a somewhat lower baseline metabolism. But it's not even close to the number of calories they burn to get there.)
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4 x 25% = 100%
so if 25% of cars are producing 90%, then to get what all the cars are producing, multiply by 4. 90x4= 360